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« on: March 23, 2010, 11:18:37 AM »


  Hello Everyone,

   Just wondering what recommenations anyone would have for buying a new personl computer system vs say BestBuy..? Any on line store or providers out there..?

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 02:28:29 PM »

That's a pretty broad request there...
1) Budget
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3) Where are you geographically ? ?
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 04:00:30 PM »

hmm, the username combined with the Original Post makes one wonder the motive behind the post....
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 05:41:23 PM »

Well, I kinda like Dell.
But in this case I think a Video would be fun.   ;D

Don't buy Dell computers! Funny Video!


Well, not real funny. More sarcastic with metaphors.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 05:25:44 AM »

 Actually, That was a nickname from my stock trading days in the mid 90's during the tech boom...

hmm, the username combined with the Original Post makes one wonder the motive behind the post....
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 02:05:09 PM »

Actually, That was a nickname from my stock trading days in the mid 90's during the tech boom...

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"According to the Wall Street Journal profit fell 23% in the second quarter and demand is stabilizing"
Last year's Dell news.
Back to topic...  Look for a vendor that will help you find a good PC with Windows XP installed. Either the consumer market is showing resistance to Win Seven or else the the PC makers are having trouble with it.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 02:42:50 PM »

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Either the consumer market is showing resistance to Win Seven or else the the PC makers are having trouble with it.

HuH ? ?

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 05:48:47 PM »

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 Huh?
Well you don't have to agree with me.
Maybe you would like to side with this fluff found on CNET back on January 28, 2010

Microsoft's bottom line gets a Windows 7 boost


The above 'news' was two months ago. Now nobody's talking. Windows 7 is not helping PC sales.

Back to OP topic.
He needs to find somebody to still be in business a year from now.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 05:52:23 PM »

Windows 7 isn't New so it doesn't appear in the news. This is neither surprising, unexpected, nor a reflection in the completely unrelated and unsubstantiated claim that "it's not helping PC sales".
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 06:09:59 PM »

Windows 7 isn't New so it doesn't appear in the news. This is neither surprising, unexpected, nor a reflection in the completely unrelated and unsubstantiated claim that "it's not helping PC sales".

unrelated? unsubstantiated?

How about siting something that says thugs are picking up? That could really prove me wrong. But I think it is going to tank big by the end of the year.
Still, if you want fiction, look here:

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PC sales are back in the black
Second half improvement

By John Oates
Posted in PC Builder, 16th March 2010 09:06 GMT

After a miserable six months PC sales got back into positive territory in the second half of 2009.

Figures from IDC showed a yearly growth rate of 2.9 per cent, pushed mainly by laptops and net books.

Consumer sales of portable computers grew 38.5 per cent in 2009 compared to 2008. Business sales showed almost one per cent growth in the fourth quarter, "providing a glimpse of an anticipated commercial refresh in 2010," researchers predicted.

Others are scathing a 20% growth.

I say find a company that will stay in business.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 06:48:25 PM »

All respect intended...

But if you are going to use CNet as a source we no longer have anything to discuss...
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 07:05:39 PM »

quoting something that says the opposite of what you're trying to say and simply saying it's fiction is far from a substantiation of what you want it to say.

Even though I failed to see the relevance, I tried searching for some citations that "thugs are picking up". Then I realized it was an artifact of your dictation software... and was unable to determine what it was supposed to say.
... oh, "things". Well, things is a purposely vague word that could mean anything. I could post a link that says that 70's fashions are making a small comeback in some small rural American town and still fit your request. So I'm going to purposely ignore said request based on the fact that it's so easily satisfied. What "things"? and what does it mean when they "pick up"? And MORE IMPORTANTLY: what in the blazes does that have to do with Windows 7? And what does windows 7 have to do with the topic of choosing a manufacturer to begin with?

And then you go on to suggest they use an operating system that is in extended mainstream support, completely blowing out of the water pretty much any warranty and limiting one to the <very set> of manufacturers that WILL be out of business in a year. providing XP may seem "advantageous" to the customer and the vendor but really they are both on the losing end of the deal. Since XP is now in Extended support the vendor has to field every single query about it while the product is still under warranty, and can't pull the old "call MS" trick that is so common among manufacturers. Additionally, the customer loses out simply because they almost always end up with a sub-par machine that is only given XP because it doesn't meet the requirements of either Vista or 7, otherwise they could put 7 on it and actually market it to people who aren't living in the past.

The funny part is, people predicted the exact same thing for every single other x.1 release. Windows 3.1 is going to tank in a year, they said in 1993. It didn't. Windows 98(4.1.1998) is going to tank in a year, they said. Windows XP (5.1) is going to tank in a year, they said.

And now windows 7. Well the interesting part is that it would appear that every single OS release there are people who say it is going to work great and there are people who say it's isn't. at least one side is right about it and every single time the side that said it was going to tank has been dead wrong. I think the trend is rather clear and betting against it is foolish, and the reasons you do so are easily exposed simply because you recommend XP. you say to look for a vendor providing XP, and yet provide no clearcut reason why this is advantageous. Why? Evidently the entire suggestion as well as the providing quotes and claiming they are fiction is simply due to you're own resistance and even contempt for change.


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I say find a company that will stay in business.

You say that like it's easy. How can one even pretend to predict the economic factors and business decisions that come into play that cause a company to go out of business? Sure, you can make otherwise vague predictions based on incomplete and possibly out of context observations on a companies dealings, but even then it's as inexact as predicting the weather.

I think the main issue to consider here is why go with a so-called "name brand" PC manufacturer? From what I've seen, they <all> cheap out on components, especially for their "value" systems, they shirk windows logo requirements and they all have rather questionable customer service that is almost always outsourced, and is completely useless because <within a year" your system is somehow out of warranty (regardless of the "three year warranty" that it supposedly came with).

The Best way to get a computer that can be supported and warranty'd and do what you want it so simply build it yourself- choose all the various components and budget wisely to meet your needs. While OEM vendors get bulk discounts and may pass this along to their customers, they often don't and additionally the components you decide to scrimp on are completely up to you in the case of a custom build.

of course, this still leaves laptops, with are prohibitively expensive to build from scratch. Rather then a vague concept like "make sure they will still be in business in a year" instead it might be best to suggest a metric that can be used to measure wether said company will still be in business. The most important is simply experience. It's easy to do a google for "I hate <manufacturer>" or "<manufacturer> sucks" and you will almost always get loads and loads of hits.

Personally, I've never bought a pre-manufactured PC... at least, not one that is new. I got an old used Dell but that hardly counts. However, as far as Laptops go, I can vouch for Toshiba. I still have a 440CDX that is 15 years old and still works great, somewhat the worse for wear, of course. One major disadvantage often cited of Toshiba products is that their hard drives do not have a diagnostic utility. This is true; however, it's important to note that while having such a utility in the eventuality of hard disk problems is helpful, it is neither strictly required nor something that I have needed in 15 years.

Also, some later models (such as my L300) don't even use a Toshiba Hard drive anyway, so they can use the proper manufacturer diagnostic.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 07:34:27 PM »

Another classic by BC.  ;D

I quote people who make outlandish claims based on meager data. Like using a 2.9 % spike to predict a 20% gain by end of year.

Really, home built is a good idea.

If I am dead wrong about how this year goes with the "famous brand", then this bird will give an apology in January of next year.

 But I still think they will tank.

Repeat PC buyers do not want Vista or windows 7. That is a fact.

Meanwhile, if somebody comes up with a good market plan to satisfy the needs of home builders, that vendor could be a real winner!

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 02:45:57 AM »

   Just wondering what recommenations anyone would have for buying a new personl computer system vs say BestBuy..? Any on line store or providers out there..?
If you're looking for a "new" computer to run a Windows operating system, you should go with Windows 7.  It's probably better than Vista and will have longer life cycle support going forward than both Vista and Windows XP.

If you want to run a Linux based operating system, there is a subforum on Computer Hope for that...
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 10:58:14 PM »

I don't have any "awesome finds" recommendations, but I do have a few sites to mention that might find you the deal you are looking for.
Woot - monitor for deals
Amazon - good for customer review feedback on products
Newegg - great customer support all around and good for reviews and specs.
ZipZoomFly - might find a deal or two there, looking sparse for whole systems
Pricegrabber - shopping for lowest prices
Froogle - Google shopping
Pricewatch - Used to be GREAT for computer parts, but now seems more generic like Pricegrabber

If you find a site that is featuring a deal that looks too good to be true then it probably is.  I would run all unknown sites across a scam check.  Look for the Better Business Bureau logo if applicable.  Run the site against resellerrating dot com to get store feedback.  Drop the site as a quick Google search to see if anything pops up in the red zone.  If you are paranoid such as myself you can install the Web Of Trust add-on for your browser to tap into user site reviews from it.

Good luck shopping!
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