iOS 4 Now Available

[Malware Removal Specialist]

The new iOS 4 is available on iTunes. Enjoy and remember to backup your iPhone/iPod before starting the upgrade.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/ios4-software-update.html

[Global Moderator]

Just got it this morning. Absolutely Fabtastic!


Main things that affect me and my iPod Touch 3G:

-Multitasking
-Rotation Lock
-Wallpapers
-Folders
-Consolidated Inbox

Seems very good on battery life too.

Still discovering new features. So far so good!

[Malware Removal Specialist]

So far so good.

Seems to scroll from screen to screen much smoother as well.

[Global Moderator]

What have you got, Evilfantasy?

[Malware Removal Specialist]

iPod Touch 3G.

I will be getting an iPhone 4 in October. Hopefully most of the bugs will be worked out of it by then

[Malware Removal Specialist]

Some good feature descriptions at Lifehacker

I've read a few posts that the battery life gets sucked down a lot faster with iOS 4, so may give it a few days before I do any upgrading. Anyone who's done the upgrade run into this issue?

[Global Moderator]

Just keep the background apps to a minimum.

So far, seems great on the battery life.

[Malware Removal Specialist]

Yea figuring out what all is actually running might be a trick in itself. Not everything supports multi-tasking. Has anyone figured out an easy way to tell what all is actually running?

The folders are cool but it's like going through all of your bookmarks and sorting them into categories. I stayed up WAY too late last night doing that! 

[Global Moderator]

Yea figuring out what all is actually running might be a trick in itself. Not everything supports multi-tasking. Has anyone figured out an easy way to tell what all is actually running?

Double click the home button?

[Malware Removal Specialist]

But which ones are actually running apps?

Now, once the jailbreak for OS4 comes out I'll do it. Funny thing, I've been backgrounding apps before OS3 came out, why hasn't Apple come out with this sooner.

[Global Moderator]

But which ones are actually running apps?

Everything listed in the multitasking menu is running in the background. Hold your finger on an icon (the same way you do when you're rearranging icons on your home menu) to close apps.

[Global Moderator]

Now, once the jailbreak for OS4 comes out I'll do it. Funny thing, I've been backgrounding apps before OS3 came out, why hasn't Apple come out with this sooner.

Sigh........ Why jailbreak it?

One thing I've always found weird, anything that Microsoft does ever to stifle other third party developers get's them loads upon loads of flak, and when they accidentally do so it's a "calculated business decision" and yet, when apple makes it so that their Operating Systems (iOS, as an example) can only run software specifically approved by Apple it's all normal, and anybody trying to decide what they want to run on their iphone are evil vagrants promoting anarchy.

Also, I might point out that wether jailbreaking is legal or not has not yet been decided. According to Apple, jailbreaking infringes on their copyright and is therefore subject to the DMCA; on the other hand, jailbreaking only changes what is allowed to run and artificially preventing non authorized code from running is hardly a protection mechanism (it must be a "protection" mechanism to be subject to the DMCA). The fact is that saying "circumventing protection" is wholly dependent on the definition of "protection". by the same token removing a protective case could be construed as illegal if you have good enough lawyers.

[Malware Removal Specialist]

Everything listed in the multitasking menu is running in the background. Hold your finger on an icon (the same way you do when you're rearranging icons on your home menu) to close apps.

But everything there is not multi-task capable. Once in the background, or "closed", which ones are running? They need to put some sort of indicator to show what is and what isn't running.

[Global Moderator]

But everything there is not multi-task capable. Once in the background, or "closed", which ones are running? They need to put some sort of indicator to show what is and what isn't running.

Ah right, good point. I know Flight Control and Bejeweled just got updated to iOS4. Gotta remember to close those now...

Also, I might point out that wether jailbreaking is legal or not has not yet been decided.

Never said it was illegal. It's just not right (at least from my point of view.) Most of these app developers are not from multimillion companies. They're people sitting in their garages somewhere, looking to make money. By jailbreaking your iPod you download these apps for free, essentially stealing form these people (AKA software piracy).

One thing I've always found weird, anything that Microsoft does ever to stifle other third party developers get's them loads upon loads of flak, and when they accidentally do so it's a "calculated business decision" and yet, when apple makes it so that their Operating Systems (iOS, as an example) can only run software specifically approved by Apple it's all normal, and anybody trying to decide what they want to run on their iphone are evil vagrants promoting anarchy.

Who cares? It works.
Steve Jobs had a pretty good explanation of his reasoning behind this in his WWDC Keynote.
Unapproved apps have the possibility of disabling with software updates. What happens if you buy an unapproved app and it breaks? You lose your money.

Never said it was illegal. It's just not right (at least from my point of view.) Most of these app developers are not from multimillion companies. They're people sitting in their garages somewhere, looking to make money. By jailbreaking your iPod you download these apps for free, essentially stealing form these people (AKA software piracy).

I never said I take the apps for free. I just use jailbreaking as a way of customizing my iPod to look cooler. My background changes automatically every few minutes, I can customize what certain applications' icons look like, change my battery icon (when charging), view how much free RAM is available, what my battery life precentage is, among other cool things.

Never said it was illegal. It's just not right (at least from my point of view.) Most of these app developers are not from multimillion companies. They're people sitting in their garages somewhere, looking to make money. By jailbreaking your iPod you download these apps for free, essentially stealing form these people (AKA software piracy).

That's not my understanding of what jailbreaking does. it just let's you run code that wasn't authorized- that is, it doesn't need to be downloaded from the app store. Of course I suppose this makes it easier to run pirated programs as well, but I don't think that was  the original intent.

Who cares? It works.

First: Obviously I do, otherwise I wouldn't mention it, and second - what is "it"?

Steve Jobs had a pretty good explanation of his reasoning behind this in his WWDC Keynote.
Unapproved apps have the possibility of disabling with software updates. What happens if you buy an unapproved app and it breaks? You lose your money.

Ahh, but here's the thing- Apple's mantra is totally different from Microsoft's, mostly on the fact of updates and breaking changes- for Apple, it's more a "pay us a bit to get the iphone app approved (99$ a year for a standard package or 299$ a year for the more inclusive one) and we'll try not to break your app in the next version" whereas with MS they will add app shims if a popular application, regardless of vendor, happens to have problems running after a service pack or OS release. In both cases, the Application developers have your money, and in both cases, the OS vendor (Apple for the iPhone OS and MS for Windows) have taken on the responsibility for making sure they still work. The difference is that Apple in a way "charged" the vendor earlier simply to make the app available- and, (this is more assumption on my part) I assume their "we'll make sure it works in later releases" has the added implied "if we break it"... so if the person working on apps in their garage (why the heck they would be using a unheated garage when computers work fine indoors is beyond me, but hey, you said it  ) makes some subtle mistakes that work ,but more work "by accident" rather then by design, changes in later releases that break the application will still be the responsibility of the "garage vendor" to fix, whereas with MS it's more a "well, your program is really popular and used by a lot of users, so it would be in our best interest to make sure it still works in the latest release, even though you clodheads don't know how to read the documentation that clearly states the right way to call the API that you've decided to pass a null pointer".

I never said I take the apps for free. I just use jailbreaking as a way of customizing my iPod to look cooler. My background changes automatically every few minutes, I can customize what certain applications' icons look like, change my battery icon (when charging), view how much free RAM is available, what my battery life precentage is, among other cool things.

Yeah, this was sort of what I meant. That is the sort of thing that Apple would <NEVER> approve of and allow into their store, because it would infringe on their "brand identity". They are still usually made by independent developers, just like the "wholesome" apps that are actually allowed into the app store. Apple simply refuses to support them.
 

[Global Moderator]

Hmmm? By jailbreaking your ipod, you can download paid apps for free.

Hmmm? By jailbreaking your ipod, you can download paid apps for free.

No.

[Global Moderator]

Yes you can...... 

[Malware Removal Specialist]

Pandora now runs in the background!   

And you can control it with the iPod controls (double click home, swipe to the right).

Yes you can...... 

If I understand it correctly, Jail breaking is merely one of the many steps that you would need to perform to do so.

Well since very one else seems to have updated their iPods I guess I will be the first on here to upgrade an iPhone. Once I get it done and play with it some I will let y'all know if I have any problems with it on the phone.

[Malware Removal Specialist]

Jailbreaking opens locked features that can not be modified by default (but with iOS 4 you really don't need to) and it also let's you use your iPhone with other service providers.

It also voids warranties and any Apple support.

Hmmm? By jailbreaking your ipod, you can download paid apps for free.

Does that mean that every single man, woman, or child who has jailbroken their iPod steals apps?

[Global Moderator]

Now you're using my comments out of context...

Now you're using my comments out of context...

Just stating the facts. You CAN download paid apps for free. But here you seem to be hinting that no matter what, you download paid apps for free by jailbreaking.

By jailbreaking your iPod you download these apps for free, essentially stealing form these people (AKA software piracy).

[Global Moderator]

Yes, it opens up the possibility of downloading apps for free.

I like how on-topic we are at the moment.

I like how on-topic we are at the moment.

Hinting at something else now, are you? Maybe a certain mod will delete these posts so the thread can return to being on-topic...*hint hint*