best browser

Hello friends, this is my new post. I have been using two internet browser such as Mozilla Firefox and internet explorer.  I need to know which is the best among them???
Why they are called best among them???

There is 'no best' , its just personal preference. If you search the forum there is alot of topics on this, but some people have opinions on browsers that are usually wrong.

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The Best browser by far is the one that you like and use everyday and gives you no grief...Period.

I like Opera too, but I agree with patio and reddevilggg's comments.

I say the latest firefox. Opera is ok, but doesn't always work very well with some media extension on some websites. Firefox seems to have less problems, but lately seems to take up a lot of memory.

So to be honest, I haven't really found a browser that I use all the time yet. 

Opera is ok, but doesn't always work very well with some media extension on some websites.

... websites, such as?

soybean, Just to add my penny's worth. I use Opera most of the time but i do have and use others occasionally (seamonkey/firefox/ie8/9/google chrome). But to relate to "Opera is ok, but doesn't always work very well with some media extension on some websites." There is one web site  " http://youbidlocal.com/ " that i view frequently and invariably there will be instances where the pictures accompanying the item do NOT match the description of the item. I have contacted the web server for the site and made them aware of the issue (as that is where i believe it emanates from). Why and how i don't have a clue. Bur in spite of that advisory months ago it persists in Opera. It does NOT occur with other browsers. However still would not cause me to stop or lessen my use of Opera as other features of it more than offset that small disadvantage. truenorth

truenorth, I have encountered a few instances where Opera seemed to be  not working quite right with a particular website, so I'm not saying that never happens.  But, the site you mentioned is not a good example of what I believe Nightjay0044 meant by "some media extension on some websites".  I assume he means something like a site using Flash Player, Silverlight, etc. 

By the way, I viewed the http://youbidlocal.com/ with Opera and did not the issue mentioned.  If you happen to encounter that again, I'd be interested in taking a look at the specific page where the error occurred.   

Soybean, Yes i did note the O/P's mention of the "media" reference but being unsure of it's meaning i mentioned my Opera experience to only imply that for whatever reason Opera has demonstrated to me certain anomalies that don't occur on other browsers.I did do a check on 2 of the auctions currently showing on the site and went through all of the listings and did NOT find a single event as i related to in my earlier post. However as i shall be continuing to search their future auctions (they do come out with new ones quite frequently) and i certainly will let you know with specifics if/when it occurs again. truenorth

soybean, That anomaly of misplaced pictures/descriptions is currently occurring on the site noted above on a current auction. It is the 1st auction listed "Langfield St.. I have only looked at few items on the 1st page but i easily note that which i related earlier. Example Item #2 in the description is stated to be a "Sklar Peppler bookcase when the associated picture is of a cabinet sewing machine. However if you click to view the total pictures it does show  pictures of a bookcase. Now if you proceed to item #39 it is exactly the reverse and again if you select to view all the pictures it is of the sewing machine. There could be other examples as well but i have only looked at a part of the 1st page. Opera is version 11.52 truenorth

truenorth, I still have not seen what you describe.  For example, if I look at the items listed at http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/showlots.ap?co=13041&weid=20171&weiid=7353015&archive=n&lso=bidcountdesc&pagenum=1&lang=En , I do not the mis-match of description and picture of the item.  Can you post a specific URL to a page where you see this, or state exactly a case where you see the discrepancy?  I'm also using Opera 11.52.

Ok here you go=
http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/showlots.ap?co=13041&weid=20171&weiid=7353015&archive=n&lso=bidcountdesc&pagenum=1&lang=En
Since i posted the post above i have gone through the rest of the sale items and the anomaly occurs quite often (at least 6 times). On the page i referenced in the post above the items are NOT sequential i believe the placement is by highest bid item and then next highest and so on.truenorth
P.S. I linked to the sale from the lower reference to it where it states "Auctions now open for bidding".

I have Chrome, Firefox, IE8 and Opera installed, to properly test my site for compatibility.

Opera is the only one that seemed to have issues, but it wasn't so much that Opera had issues, rather my site had issues and Opera highlighted those issues so I was able to fix them.

The reason for "anomalies" between some browsers and not others, is pretty easy to explain.

Chrome and Firefox pretty much "copy" each other. That is, one of them will implement a W3C spec a certain way, and the other one will do it the same way; the specifications themselves are rather vague and open to interpretation, so other browsers that don't copy it might do things differently, but still be perfectly within the spec.

Basically, the reason that some browsers might have issues where others don't is typically because the website author has become dependent on the specific way that certain elements are handled by some browsers.

Ok here you go=
http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/showlots.ap?co=13041&weid=20171&weiid=7353015&archive=n&lso=bidcountdesc&pagenum=1&lang=En
Since i posted the post above i have gone through the rest of the sale items and the anomaly occurs quite often (at least 6 times). On the page i referenced in the post above the items are NOT sequential i believe the placement is by highest bid item and then next highest and so on.truenorth
P.S. I linked to the sale from the lower reference to it where it states "Auctions now open for bidding".

I still don't see an instance of what you say you see, which is not surprising since you posted the same link that I posted and where I said I found no discrepancies. 

Again, can you state a specific item where you see a discrepancy between the picture and the description, A SPECIFIC ITEM? 

Soybean, With all due respect i do believe that is EXACTLY what i have done in post #10. I don't see how i can be any more specific than that (items are named/items are given by the numbers associated with them/items are described very accurately i believe). The fact that your URL and mine are the same may well be the case but i did NOT click on your URL i simply responded to your request for the precise URL that I had used to encounter the anomaly. I find it very intriguing that you access the same site using the same URL with the same browser version and display different results.
 To B.C. I too have accessed this site previously with a multitude of different browsers and even different computers. I always can access the site regardless of the browser used and if i do have this particular issue arise it is always on Opera (including earlier versions and NEVER on any other browser). When i 1st noted the issue i contacted the auction service (not the WEB master) and pointed it out to them re the Opera association and other than saying that they may not have taken into account the peculiarities that Opera might present in dealing with their listings they were unaware of the issue until i had called them. Just as a related but slightly different component of this days observation on the site. Previously when the listings were non associated with the accompanying picture so were the linked "all" pictures for the item. Today it is only at the listing page NOT on the additional pictures access. They are appropriate for the item described.Please guys don't lose any sleep over this. I am NOT expecting a solution (other than perhaps from the administrators of the web site--but even there i don't believe it will be a high priority as probably there are very few users of Opera accessing their site). I just find it peculiar. If anyone requires additional info from me i shall be glad to oblige.If for instance a screen shot of a page where the issue is (in case you think this is all in my imagination  ). truenorth

To B.C. I too have accessed this site previously with a multitude of different browsers and even different computers. I always can access the site regardless of the browser used and if i do have this particular issue arise it is always on Opera (including earlier versions and NEVER on any other browser)

And that was how it was when I discovered issues with my site on Opera. It looked perfectly fine in Chrome, Firefox, and IE8; only Opera had a few issues, which I was able to remedy. Not Opera's fault, but rather the fact that Firefox, IE, and Chrome are far too forgiving.

Soybean, With all due respect i do believe that is EXACTLY what i have done in post #10. I don't see how i can be any more specific than that (items are named/items are given by the numbers associated with them/items are described very accurately i believe). The fact that your URL and mine are the same may well be the case but i did NOT click on your URL i simply responded to your request for the precise URL that I had used to encounter the anomaly. I find it very intriguing that you access the same site using the same URL with the same browser version and display different results.

Oh, back to post #10.  OK, I took a look at the Sklar Peppler Book Case listing and do not see a cabinet sewing machine.  I saw a bookcase in both the thumbnail image on the main list and in the 4 photos that appear in the details for that item. 

Today it is only at the listing page NOT on the additional pictures access. They are appropriate for the item described.

So, you're saying the website has fixed it?

soybean, "So, you're saying the website has fixed it?" No. Only that the error is now limited to the page where the items are displayed (the description plus the single picture --it is that picture that is in certain instances NOT appropriate to the description). However unlike previously the link to the additional pictures DOES display the correct pictorial references to the item described. Hope that clarifies. truenorth
P.S. Belatedly i just this instant went back to the auction site for the 1st time using your link and  i note that via that route the item included in this post clearly describes lamps BUT the picture is of a sofa. That anomaly is the one i have included the picture attachment of and was obtained on my own search NOT with your link.

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I feel like I need to borrow patio's pulling-teeth image. 

soybean, "So, you're saying the website has fixed it?" No. Only that the error is now limited to the page where the items are displayed (the description plus the single picture --it is that picture that is in certain instances NOT appropriate to the description). However unlike previously the link to the additional pictures DOES display the correct pictorial references to the item described. Hope that clarifies. truenorth

Please cite the URL to that item so that I can see on my computer using Opera.

"I feel like I need to borrow patio's pulling-teeth image. " Boy do i EVER agree with that sentiment and to think we are speaking a common language! I just told you i used YOUR link in your post in this thread (above) to get the example of the the SPECIFIC description/picture that shows the anomaly. I also stated that i ALSO get the same result by accessing the site via an alternative route (IE linking to it via my e-mail account where i recieve my notifications of upcoming auctions from the aution service). How can i possibly be any MORE clear than that.truenorth

Of all the comments you've posted, I believe I have thoughtfully read them and I have yet to find a case where the picture does not match the description.  That's why I have asked for a link to the specific item you say fits your described problem. 

In my last post, I said, "Please cite the URL to that item so that I can see on my computer using Opera."  You have not done that.  I am baffled about why this seems to be so difficult. 

soybean, I must say that i personally value your contributions to the CH forums and i look forward to viewing your posts as they are usually very insightful and demonstrate a high level of knowledge re computer issues. I would not want ANYTHING to jeopardize that relationship. What you seem to be failing to put enough relevance to is that in my opinion it matters not one iota which URL (yours/mine/some other link) WE use you seem to NEVER show the anomaly that i may get. That is why i included the JPEG image of the specific item that DOES show the discrepancy between description and the associated thumbnail picture. ONLY to show you that which i get and you don't. So i can send you URLs until the cows come home--i don't think YOU are EVER going to see the anomaly (other than if i show you what i can get). Make sense? truenorth
So once again YOUR link from YOUR post in THIS thread gives me the above pictured anomaly. 

What I see at http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/showlots.ap?co=13041&weid=20171&weiid=7353015&archive=n&lso=bidcountdesc&pagenum=1&lang=En for the item shown in your image for the lamps is attached.  As you can see, my web page shows a correct item picture.  And again, I'm using the same version of Opera as you.  So, at this point, we can only say that, for some unknown reason, we have this difference in what our browser displays.   

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Whew! Precisely.truenorth

Whew! Precisely.truenorth

That's all you have to say?  When you view that page again, you still get the discrepancy between image and description, right?  If so, you realize that this discussion proves something isn't working right with your Opera?  I've proven that Opera does display it correctly.

About Opera
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11.51

Build
1087

Platform
Win32

System
Windows 7

Salmon, my Opera is displaying those two items correctly.  Any ideas on what could be the cause of this inconsistency between different users?

Salmon, my Opera is displaying those two items correctly.  Any ideas on what could be the cause of this inconsistency between different users?

I can't think, although my curiosity is aroused. Java? [Edit: cache corruption? see below]

The thumbnails appear to match the descriptions in Firefox 7.0.1, IE 9.0.8112.16421, SeaMonkey 2.0.9, Google Chrome 6.0.472.63, and Chromium 7.0.537.0 (60797).

When I right click the thumbnail for "66 Panasonic Cassette Player" in FF 7.0.1 and Opera 11.51, I see this url for the thumbnail jpg:

http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/ai2/13041/20171/7353046_3CI0NPGO0tn.jpg

Which links to this image in Firefox



BUT when I type that url in Opera's address bar it loads the thumbnail for "21 Wool Coat Made by Inuit". And the image url is the same one that shows the cassette player in FF.

I'll try to use wget to download the image...

It is the (correct) cassette player.

The Inuit coat link from FF is

http://youbidlocal.auctionflex.com/ai2/13041/20171/7352998_3CN1FF2YTtn.jpg

[EDIT]

If I look in Opera's image cache (Tools - Advanced - Cache) the thumbnail for the cassette player is listed with the right url, and clicking on its preview button produces the correct image.

[ANOTHER EDIT]

I cleared Opera's cache and now the right thumbnails are displayed.

A quick Google shows Opera cache corruption gets quite a few hits .

A random selection from a help forum

So guys and girls, don't go thinking you're nuts, just blame it on Opera because quite frankly even in release 10.6 it's got a nasty cache bug. Other browsers seem to avoid a corrupt cache but not Opera.

[Update]

I looked in Opera's preferences (Tools - Advanced - History) and found that the settings for "Check if cached page is updated on the server" were:

Check documents - every 5 minutes
Check images - every 5 hours (I changed this to 5 minutes)

I presume these are the Opera default settings since I have never been there before. This is not an area of expertise for me, but possibly this is a fruitful place to look for reasons for the difference between soybean's results and my initial experience before I cleared the cache and refreshed the page? And maybe 5 hours is a long time between checks if a site such as an auction one has frequently updated content? Just thinking off the top of my head here. You would think that a simple shift + F5 refresh would have cleared the anomalies but it didn't.

[Update]

I looked in Opera's preferences (Tools - Advanced - History) and found that the settings for "Check if cached page is updated on the server" were:

Check documents - every 5 minutes
Check images - every 5 hours (I changed this to 5 minutes)

Can you tell whether changing that setting made difference? 

Up to now, my references to Opera were based on my Windows 7 system.  I just installed Opera 11.52 on my Windows XP system and viewed that auction page and saw no discrepancies.  Default settings appear to be:
Check documents - every 5 minutes
Check images - every 5 hours

I still have those settings in my Win 7 computer.  So, the mystery continues.  If I discover possible clues after further observation, I'll reply here again.  Thanks for your input.

So, the mystery continues.

What mystery? ST seems to have cleared anything up. Or is this more about you being "right"?

Now it's even worse. A huge picture of our friend the cassette player, cropped at the top, against a listing for a "Kitchen lot". It certainly seems that the cache is implicated somehow, if my dicking around with the settings provoked this...

What mystery? ST seems to have cleared anything up. Or is this more about you being "right"?

Well, since my setting in my Windows 7 system is still at the default 5 hours for Check images, the issue didn't seem to cleared up yet.  If that were the issue, then changing that setting to be a shorter time should resolved it but ST has tried that and apparently that setting change did not resolve the issue. 

But, I agree ST seems to have the best clue so far to what may be going on here:

Now it's even worse. A huge picture of our friend the cassette player, cropped at the top, against a listing for a "Kitchen lot". It certainly seems that the cache is implicated somehow, if my dicking around with the settings provoked this...

ST , Thank you for coming on board with your comments re this phenomenon some people may have started to think i was seeing things  ,truenorth

some people may have started to think i was seeing things

Like the guy said...

don't go thinking you're nuts, just blame it on Opera because quite frankly even in release 10.6 it's got a nasty cache bug.

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That's a sweet cassette player...

patio, Actually the picture and description are incomplete (i know this because i have seen that model in retail stores). It is also a phonograph with the ability to transcribe directly to cd. Was interested in it at $10.00 but it was above $25.00 just before the auction closed. truenorth