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WeepingLily

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    boot.ini issue????
    « on: April 07, 2015, 09:40:08 PM »
    Sorry if this is not the correct place. I am currently on a 2nd computer toshiba windows 7 but the problem is the 1st computer. Dell Vostro 1500. Windows xp pro.

    Basically someone (tech person from internet company connected to the computer to take control/work, I didn't do anything) was trying to clean the computer, get rid of unnecessary files etc. today..in an effort to ''optimize my performance''. Long story short it all went terribly wrong when the computer that was working great before, upon reboot, was no longer able to get past start up as we would receive a blue screen and stop error ''*** STOP 0x0000007B etc.'' Tech person said they think a virus corrupted something or hardware issue.  :'(

    Been working with technical support all day and made no real progress unfortunately, despite being windows xp pro we tried booting from a windows home edition cd I had (per their recommendation) to try and repair any missing files etc. - this did not work, it would go to blue screen once the windows install/start up said it was starting windows. My family member did find the actual windows xp pro cd near the end of the call and we loaded that up however none of the command prompts the tech specialist told me to try in the recovery console would work.

    They are suppose to call back tomorrow to try again thought they recommended taking it to a repair shop but my family member,  not happy that his computer worked great before and now won't start, asked me to keep messing with it. I was trying to follow something I read online about going into the recovery console and doing bootcfg/ rebuild since their was no repair option in the install windows section. I entered this and it was going thru this process, restarted... i didn't boot from the CD this time and was given two operating systems to choose from, the first was labeled ''1'' (oops, did I do that?  :-\) and the second was Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (NOOOOOOO). If I click on the ''1'' his computer will start, I can log in, I think there are some left overs from the tech persons work so I tried to do system restore - this would not revert the entire computer to before this mess began because though I can still choose the ''1'' operating system and login in/function normally/all files there, there is one error about some programs not responding properly (roxio?)  and the system configuration utility comes on.

    Selecting option ''Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition'' just leads to they blue error screen we've been seeing all day.

    Can someone advise me on how to straighten out this mess and just get the computer back to one working operating system that is Windows XP Pro? While keeping files intact. Just trying to get the computer back to how it was before all this started. thanks.

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    Re: boot.ini issue????
    « Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 10:15:16 PM »
    First of all, the problem is with Windows XP, -Right?
    Second, you need to find tech people  who know what they are doing.
    Third, any major changes to your system must be preceded by a system backup to external media. Otherwise, trysting to undo a change is very hard.
    The remainder of this post is mostly  about a new install and not repair

    Both PCs are desktops? Both have DVD drives? USB ports?
    OK? If yes, here iis a general outline of how to recover Windows XP.

    Begin dictation.
    You should have available some type of external storage device. If not, you need to free up some disk space on the working computer so you can save your important documents, videos and photos. Once you have backed up your personal material then you can proceed to try to repair or reinstall Windows XP system.
    At some point you'll need to recover the product key for your windows XP installation. A possible exception is for some OEM versions that were preinstalled at the factory. If you to not have the product key, your new installation of windows XP will only last for 30 days.
    In your case you want to use the windows XP Pro version to try to repair the system. If not available, you could try using the Windows home XP to make a new installation.
    In any case, there's no guarantee you can repair or recover the existing installation. The amount of time it takes to do that, if possible, may even exceed the amount of time it takes to do a fresh installation of windows XP Pro on the troubled machine. Personally, if there is a lot of facile I like to just start with a fresh install and get the needed updates later online.
    Of course, at some point, you'll need to have an antivirus program installed. Hopefully, you won't get a virus attack while doing the installation. The basic installation should not require access to the Internet. Windows XP will install suitable drivers for most devices on your system without having access to the Internet.
    Now about a backup method for your personal files. Actually, that is the part you have to do first, but I was trying to do a quick summary of what the steps are so you would understand what's going on here.
    The backup can be done with one of the backup utilities that will boot off of a DVD, CD or USB. One that I use is by a company called Esaus. The product is called Todo Backup. You can get it for personal use from their website.
    Using the working computer, prepare a bootable disk using the instructions you get from the TodoBbackup program.
    Once you have that disk prepared you will put it in the trouble computer and try to boot from the DVD drive. You may have to change a setting in the B IOS to get it to come up. Alternatively, there is an option to use an USB flash drive.
    Once up and running, the backup program will let you make copies of files to an external device. The external device can be a USB flash drive or a hard drive that runs off of the USB port or even a portable DVD burner. If using a DVD burner, you might want to use the R/W discs so that you can use them over again at a later time. I believe there is also an option to do a backup over your local ethernet connection to your working computer. That will require you to have a shared folder on the working computer.
    Now about the installation of windows XP Pro. There's not really much to it. Read the instructions very carefully on the startup screens. At one point there is an option to repair a partition that has the current operating system. That might work and it may be worth a try. It does not do any damage to try it. I mean to say, no more damage than what you already have. I don't think this is really a hard drive issue, rather a clumsy attempt by someone else to clean up your system and destroy files that were needed.
    To make this easier on myself, this is being done by voice dictation. That saves me time and gives you a longer more detailed post.
    Installation instructions for Windows XP Pro are available online at various sites and you shouldn't have any trouble with it. If you think you need a pure clean installation, ask windows XP to format the disk in the NTFS format and then install the operating system. Bear in mind, once you have formatted the drive there is almost no chance of ever getting your data back. That is why you have already copied your documents and photos over to another media or to the other computer.
    Once you have Windows XP Pro up and running you will still have 30 days before the activation is needed. However, in many versions of Windows XP Pro you have to have the product key before you can proceed. So look around and see if you can locate the product key before you do anything.
    Important note. If the old system is running at all, for example in safe mode, you may be able to find the product key by using a third-party software that locates the product key for you. If you need help with this please say so.
    Once a new install of Windows XP is up and running, you will need to install some drivers for the hardware. There may be a resource for this. If you don't have a CD with the driver software on it, you'll have to go to the manufacturer site and download the set of drivers for windows XP and your specific computer model.
    Now once you got the windows XP professional running and it appears to be stable, you can then install your application files, such as Microsoft Word or office or other programs you have bought separately from your computer. The only practical way to recover most commercial software is to simply reinstall the software over again. Trying to copy it from another computer is very difficult or even impossible. So that is why it's important to keep the original discs and product registration information for all software you purchase.
    If there's anything you don't understand, please ask can either myself or some other member of computer hope will jump in and give you some help with your Windows XP problem.  :)

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      Re: boot.ini issue????
      « Reply #2 on: April 07, 2015, 10:56:10 PM »
      I didn't look up this tech guy, hes one from our internet company.

      No, the Dell Vostro 1500 is a laptop. (Suppose to be Windows XP Pro - the one not working)

      The toshiba is a dell laptop (Windows 7 working)

      Like i said I can get onto the dell if I choose the OS ''1'' that showed up after trying to bootcfg/ rebuild via the recovery console, I can get on like normal, except it shows a second os ''Microsoft XP Home Edition'' that does not work.

      This Dell computer was previously a work computer, while we were given an installation CD by their tech department we do not have the code though I do have the code for our old windows xp home edition. The computer was given as part wages, not sure what it originally came with.

      So basically you think I should get the documents off the computer and totally reinstall?

      Will have to talk to everyone tomorrow to see what they think of this, my family member will not be please I can say.  :-\


      Thanks for your response.

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      Re: boot.ini issue????
      « Reply #3 on: April 08, 2015, 07:24:44 AM »
      For laptops, use of an external backup drive is the way to go.

      The advice I give is generally conservative and , IMO, represents what others would also recommend. Namely, you must have an external copy of at least your personal material. If possible, a image of the entire system is also a good idea.

      These kind of  issues are part of the arguments about moving on to a current Windows 7 or 8 to make the backup process more easy for most people.

      External backup drives for desktop or laptop are very economical.  Typically you can get a terabyte, 10000 gigabytes, for about $60 to $90 from amazon or other stores. A  terabyte dive cab do piratically all you personal documents and the entire system. And it can be used between either computer if you use the same backup software.

      Just trying to help.  :)

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      Re: boot.ini issue????
      « Reply #4 on: April 08, 2015, 08:08:59 AM »
      XP Repair Install

      The CD used must match the version installed....i suggest printing out a reference copy before starting...
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        Re: boot.ini issue????
        « Reply #5 on: April 08, 2015, 09:45:26 AM »
        That might as well be 1000 dollars because we don't have spare money like that. Most I could do at this moment in time is try to.get them on a second computer or look.into.the exspense of uploading documents to an online service.

        I actually was already on that website through my own searching but using the cd it came with there is no repair option and trying the alternatives on the website when the repair option is not availiable is what led to my current situation of being able to access it but some of commands did not work and I feel some mess has been left over.

        Thanks all.

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        Re: boot.ini issue????
        « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2015, 10:48:22 AM »
        Do you have the product key?
        If so, you can borrow a copy of XP rpo from a fried.

        A number of web sites offer free on line storage for personal use.
        These require a reliable fast Internet connection.
        Google Drive
        DropBox
        Microsoft OneDrive
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          Re: boot.ini issue????
          « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2015, 11:44:02 AM »
          I have:

          Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition from 2002 with product key - but it was not what was on this dell laptop originally.

          The CD I have that I think/thought was Windows XP Pro was from the company, just has Windows XP sp3 written on it and another cd with drivers, ms, programs written on it. It has some stickers on the back with keys but I don't know if they will work correctly. This was given to us by the tech from the company he was given the computer by. It gives the option to instal windows but not repair.

          The Dell now says it has Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition if you check, It's not my computer but I'm pretty sure it had windows xp pro before all this. Must be from using the old Microsfot home edition disk to try to repair?

          The amount of documents is about 7 gb but also have many Microsoft office programs with forms etc. placed elsewhere. Outlook has lots of saved emails and contacts etc. Business related items all over that can't be lost and need to be collected. ATM I am not sure what to do next. Not sure if tech people will be much help when they call. I will try to back up some files now ...  Thanks :-\

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            Re: boot.ini issue????
            « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 03:12:49 PM »
            How do I check to see if more than one installation of windows in on the dell laptop? The option from the boot menu that wouldn't work has been removed but I need to make sure the computer is clean, no windows issues, no other copies or partial copies of windows etc. is there anyway to check that thoroughly? It's booting up without issue, can log on, go on internet, use normally but I don't want to leave any underlying issues when we initially log in it seems a little slower than it used to. Also, how can I make sure all the tools/cleaners that the tech used are out of the computer? I am unsure of what all might be from them/what settings might have been changed. Anything specific I should look for? They did not call me back today. I called them and someone said they would let them know I'm waiting and assured me they would call back but still haven't. Thanks.
            « Last Edit: April 08, 2015, 03:47:44 PM by WeepingLily »

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            Re: boot.ini issue????
            « Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 03:43:18 PM »
            Let me repeat the need for a backup. Bear with me.
            I did mention earlier, free on line storage is available.
            Here is a new article from  Network World, a reputable publication.
            12 free cloud storage options
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            With all the public cloud storage offerings on the market today, many vendors just want customers to sign up for their services. So, in return for a new account, many offer free cloud storage.
            Using the following 12 public cloud storage options, you could theoretically get 112GB of free cloud storage. But not all services are the same. Some have their pros and cons related to how large a file can be uploaded, the pricing of additional cloud storage space, integrations with various operating systems and mobile apps, and of course security precautions the vendors take.
            Yes, you can have accounts with several companies for free. Must have good security and keep your data private. Of course, you need to pick a hard password to help keep out others.
            Be sure to write down the accounts, user name and passwords and keep in a safe place. There services allow you to have folders on the cloud drive and your can store almost any kind of file.

            Now about your question of multiple installs of Windows XP. I think the Home edition of XP is an independent install and prior instals will not have any impart on its proper operation. If the new install found an older install, it either deletes it or renames  the Windows directory to a different name.
            It might be 'Windows.old' and you would see it when looking at the C: drive in the Windows Explorer. But even so, you do not have to remove it.

            About windows XP repair. Sometimes it works. Sometimes not. I just tried it recently for an experiment I did. Twice it failed. I was not able to pinpoint the problem. Having a backup, I just moved on and reverted to my backup system. Whenever I try anything novel or new, I make sure I have at least  one good backup, maybe two.
            Make use of the free services above. I like Amazon, DropBbox and Google. But the choice is yours.   :)

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              Re: boot.ini issue????
              « Reply #10 on: April 08, 2015, 04:31:32 PM »
              Just for saving pictures, media files, document etc. correct? It's not like a backup of the whole system? I tried the google one. None of the regular files from documents would upload. Repeatably gave me error but when I click on the box to see what the error message would be it was blank. My family member was going to go through and delete what he didn't want anymore then try to backup his personal files in some way. I know he could back up those files in his documents somehow but he wouldn't be able to use those services for his programs he needs.. ?

              It seems a bit slower at startup now.

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              Re: boot.ini issue????
              « Reply #11 on: April 08, 2015, 05:24:37 PM »
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              That might as well be 1000 dollars because we don't have spare money like that. Most I could do at this moment in time is try to.get them on a second computer or look.into.the exspense of uploading documents to an online service.

              How is an XP Repair Install gonna cost a thousand dollars ? ?

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              Re: boot.ini issue????
              « Reply #12 on: April 09, 2015, 02:04:19 PM »
              going back to some of the earlier posts:

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              Basically someone (tech person from internet company connected to the computer to take control/work, I didn't do anything) was trying to clean the computer, get rid of unnecessary files etc. today..in an effort to ''optimize my performance''. Long story short it all went terribly wrong when the computer that was working great before, upon reboot, was no longer able to get past start up as we would receive a blue screen and stop error ''*** STOP 0x0000007B etc.'' Tech person said they think a virus corrupted something or hardware issue.

              Who was this "tech"? is it a company you (or your friend) work for (internal tech support?) or is it somebody from an ISP? The bottom line though is that the problems with your computer are their fault. Don't accept excuses. Your computer was working fine up until they "optimized" it, so don't accept their garbage excuses. A virus didn't corrupt anything- that's a load of crap. They did, but they are not even competent enough to know how they screwed up- instead they blame it on something else in the hopes you will go away. The best part is when they basically tell you to go to a repair shop. THEY screwed it up and they can't even deal with the consequences, and it sounds like they won't even accept the responsibility for their actions.

              It sounds like in some respects you've sort of gone down the slippery slope when your friend had you deal with the PC and try to fix it- can't be helped, really, since an incompetent idiot 'tech' person apparently decided being responsible for your actions is overrated, and left you with no choice. Are you happy with the "Optimization"? Of course not. They made the computer unbootable and unusable, and now they are trying to pretend it isn't their fault. Don't let them do this. Raise *censored* with whoever you can. That would be my advice. It might cost money to get the system working again- But the fact is that you or your friend should not be paying for the mistakes of a blame-shifting doofus.
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