Is this a good PC to build?

UPDATED VERSION: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,89861.0/viewResults.html

what do you want to do on this computer most?

Also ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125260 --> $59.99 Nvidia 9500GT wit the DDR3 memory and factory overclock so you get some more performance for same price (before any mail in rebate) out of what otherwise would be same card even though different manufacturer.

what do you want to do on this computer most?

Also ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125260 --> $59.99 Nvidia 9500GT wit the DDR3 memory and factory overclock so you get some more performance for same price (before any mail in rebate) out of what otherwise would be same card even though different manufacturer.

Since when is OC a good idea or solution?

And why do you need 2 dvd drives and that nic?  The motherboard comes with one.  What are you doing with your computer?

Since when is OC a good idea or solution?

when it's supported by the manufacturer, and thus covered by their warranty.

my video card is factory Overclocked, actually, and I haven't had any problems (well, aside from when the fan failed and I underclocked it back to the standard speed for the chip... and the nback again after finding out the fan was broken and replacing it), and another time after about 2 weeks straight uptime (starting/stopping Direct3d, openGL, as I played games and such) it crashed spectacularly... other then that it's been a solid card.

Now, if they recommended overclocking a card manually(that is,a cheaper card and overclocking past the factory preset), then I would have to agree.

Even if it's recommended by the manufacturer I shudder.

Extra heat, never good.

I have that exact Nvidia 9500GT that I listed in that newegg link except it has only a regular fan (not a zalman one like the picture from newegg link I listed shows)  but I have never seen the GPU temperature go any higher than 50 degrees C, that reading coming from the GPU-Z utility. And no problems so far anyway....

But, manufacturer overclocking, it's safe and risk free since it's done by the professionals!

I would still not want to OC.

You may not have an issue with it, but different issues cause issues.

that's all fine too, if that's how you think, nothing wrong with it. But I'd have the OC'd version any day as long as  the OC has been done by the card repected card maker and it's them doing it for me with warranty if there's anything wrong. I'm just trying to get my money's worth 

actually, come to think if it, this card is the only thing I've ever had overclocked. I considered Overclocking my K6-2, but it was running hot as it was.

If I wanted my moneys worth, I'd just buy a better card.

Yes, it is my opinion, but how many problems would be solved if there was no OC?

but I never had problems with the OC so I can't say 

OC-ing causes a lot of reliability issues, if done wrong, or too much... and in either case it reduces the life of the component being overclocked, there is no disputing that.

I can see it being used to extend the life of an old computer, but what I don't like, is when the first thing people do after they make a new build is overclock the components. And then they wonder why everything is so unstable...

but I mean, the professionals are doing it so they would know what's good and what's bad in terms of stability, and heat and all that. That's all I meant.

anyway, , let's get back on topic of helping out neelchauhan with his pc build 

No, the professionals don't always know what they are doing.  Look at Bill Gates crashing in a conference.

I don't trust OC at ALL, EVER.  I am assisting with the build, DON'T EVER OC.

Well, I trust Gigabyte, I've had my card almost 3 year and it's ok.

But really,whether to buy a factory pre-OC'd card that comes with warranty is up to the original poster, and what he feels like doing. Some people would recommend some things, some people would say otherwise but it's up to the original poster what he thinks, after all, newegg does have customer reviews to back up how a card that you can buy there really performs.

Anyway, let's not keep on arguing whether OC is good or not. Sure, there's problems if something isn't done right but that's not the goal of this topic to begin with.

Personally I don't trust any OC.

I don't like it for new builds or old builds.  It's a cheap way out, sorry, nothing against you, but I trust it as far as I can throw my Buick(which isn't far).

OC is unstable and generates far more heat than it's worth.  I will stand by that opinion, it may have worked for you, but it doesn't always work.

You've been lucky.

I totally agree with you Quantos. I fiddled with a little over clocking of my CPU a while back but it is so damb hard to get stable and I did not like the fact that it could wear out my parts. The only reason anyone should overclock is if they have the money to spend on a second computer just to play the most extream games and I would hope they would water cool they system. I'm off of OCing but my next system will be water cooled because parts these days are way to hot as it is. If it's not good at stock, then it's not good. I'm going to add that to my signature right now.

Ok, if done wrong, OC is not stable and I agree for general purposes, you wouldn't need that to add to problems.  Almost all manufacturers have a factory overclocked card ... but now you wouldn't buy a AMD factory overclocked card?

following link ... http://www.tweaktown.com/pressrelease/1375/amd_delivers_first_factory_overclocked_1ghz_gpu/index.htmlY

It's just my opinion, but if I want more power, then I'll buy more power.

I won't make something do what it wasn't built to do.

what do you want to do on this computer most?

Also ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125260 --> $59.99 Nvidia 9500GT wit the DDR3 memory and factory overclock so you get some more performance for same price (before any mail in rebate) out of what otherwise would be same card even though different manufacturer.

I'll not take a Overclock because I want this system for six years.

Get a quad core then

Get a quad core then

Maybe you're right. I'll change the specs to a quadcore CPU.

Doesn't seem much better than your current one so I say Stay

But have a look at my specs

Cameron Gray

It's just my opinion, but if I want more power, then I'll buy more power.

I won't make something do what it wasn't built to do.

Actually, this it what makes overclocking such an interesting pursuit-

the fact is- let's look at say, a K6-2.

they are ALL created the same- there isn't, say, a different die, or whatnot for each speed increment.

 Instead, they create the processors in batches. they then take ONE processor from that batch, and see what the highest stable speed they can get is. they then label that entire batch as that speed; in general the batch is very similar in speed capabilities. But sometimes they can't quite make their "stock" speed (which basically results in failure during the QC testing)- and others can go higher- in fact, most are usually capable of around 25 percent more clock rate. So it's not really a question of making them do what the processor isn't capable of but rather making it do what the manufacturer was too lazy to check that the processor could do.

That may be true but how many unstable stock CPUs have you seen? And now how many unstable overclocked CPUs have you see? I bet you have seen more of the latter.

That may be true but how many unstable stock CPUs have you seen? And now how many unstable overclocked CPUs have you see? I bet you have seen more of the latter.

Of course, but the method they use has a margin of error that makes it possible that the "capable" speed of a CPU is higher then what the manufacturer called it- that is, if they had tested that CPU- they would have upped the entire batch.

i avoid over clocking
with vista my pc already crashes like nuthin else
but it is an option

I overclocked by 1.1ghz.  I was at 2.4 and im at 3.5 stable.  Still working on goin higher

that is a crazy overclock
you need good cooling
and hope it doesnt get to unstable to boot

Ive seen people get 4ghz with this cpu.  Now THAT is a crazy oc!  But I seem to be stuck at 3.55.  Any higher and it doesnt boot. Im still trying to go higher, but to no avail.

Edit:
I made it!!! Im at 3.6 400x9 1.55vcore. 

So what will you do when you hit the point that it won't recover from.  What a waste of hardware.  Unless you are only using this as an experiment to see what you can do.

I've always kept with the rule of thumb to ONLY go up to maybe 115% of stock speed, it's unlikely that most CPUs in a batch will exceed that anyway. Although I've never overclocked... well, except I overclocked my 286 by replacing the crystal oscillator! I sped along at 16mhz when all the pansies were... well, actually this was 2002 so they probably had faster PCs, but my point remains.