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kaigun

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    Power Surge on Hub Port
    « on: September 16, 2011, 04:07:28 PM »
    Wife's computer (Dell Inspiron 530, XP SP3, 2.4 gHz, 2 gb RAM) starting showing message "'Power Surge on Hub Port - a USB device has malfunctioned and exceeded the power limits of it hub port. To reenable the port disconnect hardware and click reset''

    Only USB devices connected are standard Dell mouse and keyboard. Box has four USB ports in the back, four in the front. Devices were originally in the back ports, tried connecting each of them to all the other available ports, same message. Device manager properties says all ports working properly. Blew out ports with air, same message. Tried a different USB mouse and keyboard in each of the ports. Same message.

    Downloaded chipset drivers from Dell and reloaded them. No change. I should also clarify that the devices work, I'm just getting this constant error message.

    It appears to be the USB ports themselves, not the devices. Any ideas? 
    « Last Edit: September 16, 2011, 04:31:39 PM by kaigun »

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    Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
    « Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 04:41:07 PM »
    Sounds like your exceeding the standard 400mA (combined) allowed for USB devices. Does this happen with only one device plugged in... it seems that something is drawing to much power...
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    Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
    « Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 04:48:07 PM »
    It's 500mA per port, but if you Google "Power Surge on Hub Port", there's many with the same issue.  Doesn't seem to be a clear solution, but it appears to be a Windows problem.

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    Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
    « Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 04:50:41 PM »
    It is amazing that whenever there is a hardware issue, users try downloading updated software drivers. Yet the textbooks of computer repair do not explain how software wears out but hardware does not.
                
    Wait! here is a clue! ; software is using  pointers. Bad pointers are often the problems in software. So then apparently the pointers after awhile  get dull an d the only remedy is get a new driver with sharp painters.

    Relace you USB hub. Or don't even use it.    (|
                         
             

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    Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 04:56:11 PM »
    First thing I would do is try a different mouse, then if the problem continues try a different keyboard (one at a time, not both at once).  You may risk frying your mother board if you don't make some changes soon.  I once had a powered USB hub with only a flash drive usually plugged into it.  The computer I had at the time only had USB port's on the back and it was a real nuisance to plug cameras and other stuff in.  One day I couldn't access the flash drive.  When I took a look at the hub and flash drive both had melted, obviously from some power overload.

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    Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 05:08:58 PM »
    OK. I was joking earlier.  ;D
    rthompson80819 is right. His problem is not rare. Here are wome links:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310591
    "USB power exceeded" error message when connecting USB devices

    http://www.pchelpforum.com/win-7-vista-bsod/115559-blue-screen-death-driver-power-state-failure-9f-usbhub-sys-2.html
    BSOD: Driver Power State Failure (9f) -> USBHUB.SYS

    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/55900-45-reports-error-attached

    Rather taht adjust the settings in the software, it is safer to get a USB hub that does not report failures unless there is an failure the correspongs to an eternal device that is truly malfunctioning.
                                        


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      Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
      « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 07:20:52 PM »
      Thanks for the answers.  I did try different devices, and only using one at a time, but the message was still coming up. Looks like the easiest solution is to get a powered USB hub.   

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        Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
        « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 10:05:28 PM »
        Picked up a powered USB hub when I was out a little while ago. It is not working either (or rather, still getting the  same message), so apparently all the USB on the computer are out.

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          Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
          « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 11:16:17 PM »
          not necessarily. had this same problem with my HP pavillion a1130n running win xp. a little ectreme, but in the end, i found that it is a problem with windows. a full wipe of the hard drive, a fresh install of win xp, and ta-da. absolutely no problems since. been running fine for over six months now. 

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          Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
          « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2011, 12:02:35 AM »
          not necessarily. had this same problem with my HP pavillion a1130n running win xp. a little ectreme, but in the end, i found that it is a problem with windows. a full wipe of the hard drive, a fresh install of win xp, and ta-da. absolutely no problems since. been running fine for over six months now.
          The OP has windows 7. However, a few Windows 7 users also report strange problems with USB devices. It may not always be bad hardware.
                         
          Here is a suggestion. Get a CD or DVD of one of the 'Live' Linux distros. You can boot into one of these and not make any changes to the Windows system. The Linux runs in RAM. Now if the Linux kernel can read the ports with no problem, this could mean that it  really is some kind of software problem. But I think that is rather hard to believe. But if the Hub is OK in Linux and not in Windows, the conclusion is oblivious.

          Linux Mint 10 could be worth a try.
          This reference also has some links for downloads.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint
          This is not a recommendationto switch nto Linux. Rather, use it as a tool to test hardware in an enviroment outside of Windows. Just to see if there is a softeare issue.
          http://www.multimediaboom.com/download-linux-mint-10-kde/

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            Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
            « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2011, 12:32:57 AM »
            No, the computer we talking about is using XP, not Windows 7.

            Wiping the HD would not be a big deal. It's my wife's computer and she doesn't have much, if any, data on it.

            I don't have any experience with Linux. How exactly would I use it to troubleshoot? Just see if the ports work normally while it is running?   

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            Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
            « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2011, 01:45:58 AM »
            No, the computer we talking about is using XP, not Windows 7.
            Wiping the HD would not be a big deal. It's my wife's computer and she doesn't have much, if any, data on it.
            I don't have any experience with Linux. How exactly would I use it to troubleshoot? Just see if the ports work normally while it is running?   
            Downloading a Linux ISO and burning to a CD should take less time than doing a fresh ninstall of XP. But the choice is yours.
            Here is one that is even easier ifn youu have little Linux eperience.
            Puppy Linux. It is less that 200MB and is a quick download.
            http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
            Puppy  is not very good doing wireless, but it knows all about USB. If the a flash drive can moutn in Puppy, it is a good device. Anyting nabove version 4 is good.

            But if you would rather install XP again, go ahead. It just takes some time, but the advantage is that you wipe out any nerrors of the registry and kill any virus. may be a nbetter nchoice. If you have some potos you need to save, put them on a CD.

            And yes, the idea the XP has a 'starnge' problem with USB ports is not imposible. There are a few stories that some AV (Anti-Virus) programs are hard on USB devices. The AV tdecides  there is nsometing sinister about the device and then turns it off. But this is based on hearsy, no real proff.  Test your USB before you install the AV.

            Excuse my spelling. Git FireFox 6 and the spell check stopped working.

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              « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2011, 06:47:47 AM »
              Wiping the HD would not be a big deal. It's my wife's computer and she doesn't have much, if any, data on it.
              Never try fixing things on speculation.  Wiping out the OS or loading Linux is classic wild speculation.  Demonstrates no basic knowledge of how hardware works.  Never fix something until the problem is first identified.

                This assumes Dell’s comprehensive hardware diagnostics were executed from the CD or by booting it without Windows.  Diagnostics that verify each and every component (including fans).  That test would report on what the computer can see.  It will see the USB interface computer.  Not see beyond that device (unless and maybe if that test is performed with some USB device connected.

                USB port consists of data transfer circuits.  And another completely different circuit to measure current.  From the less than complete description, both USB functions act as if damaged.  Hardware failure that obviously cannot be fixed by software, speculation, or shotgunning as a few others suggested.  A problem that may or may not be apparent by deleting the device in Device Manager.   Then rebooting.  To learn if Windows can see and therefore reload the USB driver.  Never 'nuke and clean' the OS to perform that simple test.

                If a transient did that hardware damage, what was the possibly damaged or overstressed USB device connected to that port when damage happened?

                Consider buying a USB PCI interface card.  Disable the existing USB ports in Device Manager before installing that new card.  Also expect overstress in a USB device that was connected when a possible transient occurred.  A failure that may occur months after the damage.

                Also possible; that USB port failed due to manufacturing defect.  Task to fix a manufacturing defect is well beyond most everyone’s abilities.  Requires basic hardware knowledge and some simple tools.  Better is to buy a USB PCI card and be done with it.


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              Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
              « Reply #13 on: September 17, 2011, 12:33:02 PM »
              Never try fixing things on speculation.  Wiping out the OS or loading Linux is classic wild speculation.  Demonstrates no basic knowledge of how hardware works.  Never fix something until the problem is first identified.
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                 Let me respectfully take exception to this. I never recommended that he load Linux onto his hard drive. There are good minimal Linux versions that can run in RAM and do not alter the hard drive or anything else. The Linux system is very adept to identifying a wide range of hardware devices, including USB drives.

              Also, the OP said he had no issue with installing windows XP again. There is not ignorance of how hardware devices work. Appropriate diagnostic software is not easy to find. For the same amount of effort, the OP came here to ask others.

               That is a reasonable approach and si an effective method of solving problems the computer makers wish to minimize.   The makes can spend 90% of their time dealing with 10% of the problems. The upper management disapproves of this, so help from the commuter maker is kept to low-profile level.

              Yet I do agree with nthe rest of what you siad.

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              Re: Power Surge on Hub Port
              « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2011, 07:46:09 PM »
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              I should also clarify that the devices work, I'm just getting this constant error message.
              Try going to your Device Manager, USB Controllers(expand) and right-click USB Universal Host Controllers, Properties.

              Now click on Advanced Tab and checkmark Don't tell me about USB errors then Ok.

              Do these steps again on all your USB Host Controllers then reboot PC afterwards.