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    Brands of desk top computers
    « on: November 03, 2017, 12:51:54 PM »
    They are telling me   that is Best Buy  that Asus is the top of the line for desk top computers..... I always thought that Dell or HP was better... any comments...

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    Re: Brands of Table top computers
    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 01:03:34 PM »
    Best Buy might not be the best source of market information.
    For what it is worth, PC Mag did this for the best Desktops PCs of 2017
    https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372609,00.asp
    Here is an image of the top item.

    Nice photo.  :)
    Here are the names as given in the article:

    Corsair One Pro
    Dell Precision 5720 All-in-One
    Origin Neuron
    Apple iMac 21.5-Inch With 4K Retina Display
    Dell XPS Tower Special Edition (8930)
    Dell XPS 27 (Kaby Lake, 2017)
    HP Z2 Mini G3
    Microsoft Surface Studio
    Polywell B250G-i7
    Velocity Micro Raptor Z95 (2017)

    All of the above are PCs that are much more powerful than what you would have bought a few years ago in the same price range.

    But do you really need all that power?  :D

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 02:29:44 PM »
    But do you really need all that power?
    I always tend to have a PC that is way more powerful than I need. I like the feeling.

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 03:21:38 PM »
    brand name should have no relevance on what is best or not.
    best is whatever most closely matches your needs and budget.


    plus the underlying fact is there are many, many more brand names out there then there are manufacturers of parts.
    for example, only two players in the processor market; AMD or Intel.
    only two that do graphics; ATI or nVidia.
    only two main players in hard drives; WD or Seagate (with other players being subsidiaries of one of those two)


    and the list goes on.


    in other words, despite the badge on the case, they all dip into the same, shallow parts pool.

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 06:06:55 PM »
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    .. only two players in the processor market; AMD or Intel.
    What?

    We are making a supposition here.
    This forum favors the x86 type CPU, so we think that anybody who comes here wants a PC with the X86 type of CPU. That might not be true.

    Hey Tinman2,
    Do you really want a desktop system?
    Why or why not?
    What is your big interest?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-04/arm-chips-are-the-most-used-consumer-product-dot-where-s-the-money
    At the present time, ARM CPU based devises are the most popular  in the whole world. But they are seldom used in a 'desktop".  Instead, they are used in low-cost low power small size devices. Namely, smartphones and tablets.

    How do you define "best" for you?
    Price?  High or low?
    Power? Too much? Just enough?
    Games? Fast? Mediocre?
    Or something else? (What else is there? )  :P

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 06:30:32 PM »
    We are making a supposition here.
    This forum favors the x86 type CPU, so we think that anybody who comes here wants a PC with the X86 type of CPU. That might not be true.

    Their topic title literally says "desk top computer".
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 06:35:19 PM »
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    only two that do graphics; ATI or nVidia.

    Just wanted to add 3rd to this list INTEL ( Integrated Graphics ) such as Intel HD Graphics that some modern APU ( CPU/GPU ) have.

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 06:39:22 PM »
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    We are making a supposition here.
    This forum favors the x86 type CPU, so we think that anybody who comes here wants a PC with the X86 type of CPU. That might not be true.

    Please illustrate us with your wisdom of what other choices there are...
       
     
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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 09:37:53 PM »
    Just wanted to add 3rd to this list INTEL ( Integrated Graphics ) such as Intel HD Graphics that some modern APU ( CPU/GPU ) have.


    yep, fair call, I'll give you that one.  :)
    the Intel graphics range is excellent for non-gaming rigs (*censored*, even most non demanding games too)

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2017, 09:47:48 PM »
    Mark, you are wanting a x86 machine. -  Right?

    People here think Desktop means x86, but the dictionary says anything on your desktop is an extension of it. So and old Apple PC with the Motorola 68000  was/is a desktop PC.
     





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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2017, 09:52:08 PM »
    Hi Geek,
    It's not me mate that's chasing the PC, it's Tinman. :)


    I'm just saying, only two manufactures make CPU's: AMD or Intel.
    at this stage, the architecture isn't a factor, x86 or what have you, if you want to make a PC run, you can only put into it a AMD chip or a Intel chip.


    and we are only talking about Desktop PC's, not tablets, Raspberry Pi's, processor built into chip-onboard stuff.

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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2017, 10:24:51 PM »
    Which of the following defines a Desktop PC.  :)
    1. I must weight between 5 to 40 pounds
    2. It must have a size of length and girth of 70 inches.
    3. I must use either a AMD or Intel CPU
    4. It must run a recent version of Windows.
    5. Nome of the above.


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    Re: Brands of desk top computers
    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2017, 10:38:44 PM »
    What is a Desktop Computer courtesy of a website called computerhope.com. Maybe you've heard of it.

    Look at the pictures- That is a desktop PC. It has a separate monitor, a separate keyboard, a separate mouse, and uses one of many industry standard form factors.

    But you already know this, considering that is part of your first reply. You are just being difficult.

    You *could* argue, as you've done before, that a tablet or a smartphone is a "Personal Computer" and is therefore a PC, then go on to argue that, because you can place them on a desktop, they are a desktop PC, but you would be as wrong as somebody calling a TRS-80 a "PC Compatible" because it was a "personal computer". The whole of the term is greater than the sum of it's parts. Being able to put a tablet or smartphone on a desk doesn't mean you can start calling it a "desktop PC" anymore than you can put a Tonka truck on Sebring and call it a race car because "a race car is any car that drives in races!"
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 05:05:03 PM »
      Wow............all is information.......all I am looking for is a reliable disk top unit.....don't need anything fancy not playing games on it....using it for email, Facebook and want to install office...... I am looking at a Asus

      3GHz 7th generation Intel Core i5-7400 processor and 8GB DDR4 2400MHz RAM drive powerful performance whether you're creating a presentation, streaming a movie, or multitasking
      •2TB hard drive offers generous storage for a substantial collection of software, games, videos, music, photos, and more
      •802.11ac Wi-Fi lets you connect to your wireless home network with fast wireless speeds for streaming and downloading
      •Bluetooth 4.1 makes it possible to wirelessly connect to a wide range of enabled devices, including headsets, keyboards, and mobile devise
      •10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet lets you establish a reliable, wired connection to your network and the internet for potentially faster data transfer speeds
      •Eight USB ports (2 front and 6 back) let you connect a wide range of devices to expand your system, sync or transfer data, charge electronics, and more
      •HDMI output lets you connect to compatible displays, including your HDTV for supersize entertainment
      •SonicMaster audio uses optimized hardware and software to deliver powerful sound with significant bass for an unrivaled audio experience
      •ASUS AudioWizard offers 5 selectable settings for music, movies, games, voice recording, and speech
      •ASUS Smart Cooling System reduces accumulation of dust and cuts down operating temperatures by up to 11.4 degrees C for a cooler, quieter computing experience
      •ASUS Q-Fan technology automatically regulates fan speeds based on system loads
      •This computer is quieter than a library when it's idle -- with a sound level of only 28dB
      •Features 16x DVD ROM drive and 6-in-1 card reader that supports SD, SDHC, MS, MS Pro, XD and MMC
      •Preloaded with Windows 10, which features a refined browser, improved Start menu, digital assistant with Cortana, universal Windows apps, and much more

      May have too much power.. but then maybe not.

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #14 on: November 04, 2017, 05:14:14 PM »
      @tinman,


      I'll simply state, brand name is no indication of what is best.
      if you compare the differences in specs of 2 PC's, than one will be better based on the spec that's important to you.
      if the specs are identical, and the only difference IS brand, then the warranty could be used to break the stalemate.
      don't go on brand name, it's meaningless in reference to your original question.

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #15 on: November 04, 2017, 05:22:07 PM »
      If you ignore Geek this will go alot quicker...
         
       
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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #16 on: November 04, 2017, 06:31:40 PM »
      Tinman2,
      From you response, you could buy either:

      HP Z2 Mini G3
      http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/media-kits/2016/HP-Z2-Mini-launch.html
      OR
      The Dell XPS Tower Special Edition (8930)

      You will and add a  suitable monitor of your choice.

      The big difference is size. That is why I asked about what you wanted. Some professionals want the smallest possible thing that fits on their desktop. The HP model above fits that. But here are no options for  adding  anything inside.

      Other  people what a big box that allows the option of putting more stuff inside. Maybe a an extra hard drive or some kind of interface card for a special project.

      Both are about the same price. But have good performance at a fair price. Bother companies have good support.
      I recommend either Dell or HP base on personal experience.

      Hope that is of some help.   :)

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #17 on: November 29, 2017, 07:21:31 AM »
      Wow............all is information.......all I am looking for is a reliable disk top unit.....don't need anything fancy not playing games on it....using it for email, Facebook and want to install office...... I am looking at a Asus

      3GHz 7th generation Intel Core i5-7400 processor and 8GB DDR4 2400MHz RAM drive powerful performance whether you're creating a presentation, streaming a movie, or multitasking
      •2TB hard drive offers generous storage for a substantial collection of software, games, videos, music, photos, and more
      •802.11ac Wi-Fi lets you connect to your wireless home network with fast wireless speeds for streaming and downloading
      •Bluetooth 4.1 makes it possible to wirelessly connect to a wide range of enabled devices, including headsets, keyboards, and mobile devise
      •10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet lets you establish a reliable, wired connection to your network and the internet for potentially faster data transfer speeds
      •Eight USB ports (2 front and 6 back) let you connect a wide range of devices to expand your system, sync or transfer data, charge electronics, and more
      •HDMI output lets you connect to compatible displays, including your HDTV for supersize entertainment
      •SonicMaster audio uses optimized hardware and software to deliver powerful sound with significant bass for an unrivaled audio experience
      •ASUS AudioWizard offers 5 selectable settings for music, movies, games, voice recording, and speech
      •ASUS Smart Cooling System reduces accumulation of dust and cuts down operating temperatures by up to 11.4 degrees C for a cooler, quieter computing experience
      •ASUS Q-Fan technology automatically regulates fan speeds based on system loads
      •This computer is quieter than a library when it's idle -- with a sound level of only 28dB
      •Features 16x DVD ROM drive and 6-in-1 card reader that supports SD, SDHC, MS, MS Pro, XD and MMC
      •Preloaded with Windows 10, which features a refined browser, improved Start menu, digital assistant with Cortana, universal Windows apps, and much more

      May have too much power.. but then maybe not.
      This post seems absolutely absurd to me.  You say "don't need anything fancy not playing games on it....using it for email, Facebook and want to install office", then follow that with a long list of features which go way beyond your stated computing use. 

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 11:57:15 AM »
      @tinman,

      I'll simply state, brand name is no indication of what is best.
      if you compare the differences in specs of 2 PC's, than one will be better based on the spec that's important to you.
      [/quote ]
      Consider:
      What about warranty? Does the unknown brand offer a one  year warranty? Isf so, how would a Return Merchandise  be handled?
      And support? What if a flaw was found in the BIOS?
       :)

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #19 on: November 29, 2017, 12:14:10 PM »
      What is your Point here Geek ? ? ?
         
       
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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #20 on: November 29, 2017, 05:14:38 PM »
      What is your Point here Geek ? ? ?
      I think the brand name companies have better support.
      These are considered better for support:

      Apple
      Asus
      Dell
      HP
      Lenovo

      Alphabetical order.
      Anybody want to make of list of those that have worst  supportty?
      I will start with
      MSI

      Anybody want to add to that?

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      Re: Brands of desk top computers
      « Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 05:52:28 PM »
      He hasn't returned in 3 weeks...somehow this Topic got resurrected...
         
       
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