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Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« on: February 08, 2018, 11:57:13 AM »
Dictation again...
Here I am back on Windows XP again.
Even after several attempts my Windows 10 installation on this same computer is not stable, in fact it won't let me do anything for more than three or 4 min. before it acts up and locks my mouse and starts to do funny things.
But a backup a bit. For the past week I've been trying to get the updates for Windows 10 and at one point it got so bad I had to go back and install an older version of Windows 10. For some reason I was able to get it to work and it was working fine until Windows decided that I should get a newer version of Windows and it proceeded to upgrade me to 1709. Okay, it looked like it was going to work, but it did not.
Well, I then downloaded the 1709 version from Microsoft and put it onto a USB stick. Three times I've tried installing it from the USB stick and trying to repair that installs, but it just keeps getting worse. :o
This is too hard for me to understand. I have another machine with Windows 10 on it and I'll use it when there's some work I need to do on Windows 10 that I cannot do on Windows XP.
Meanwhile, I cannot do anymore work on this computer until I get some rest.
Could it possibly can be not just me that is having this much trouble with Windows up states?    :'(

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 12:46:12 PM »
It could be caused by a number of things. A system that freezes up though I would verify that the RAM and Hard Drive is healthy. Memtest86 to test the RAM, and use crystaldiskinfo to look at the hard drive and make sure its not flagged yellow with an issue.

I had a laptop a ways back that would install and run Windows 2000 Professional with no problems. I upgraded to Windows XP and it started having issues freezing up. The issue ended up being that the hard drive was having issues and for some reason virtual memory was getting corrupt causing it to freeze up. I swapped the hard drive with another hard drive and installed XP clean to the laptop and problem was solved. *Back then I didnt check into S.M.A.R.T data and if a drive worked it worked and if it didnt it usually was something more severe than only acting up when virtual memory was in use.

Windows 10 is more memory intensive than XP and so I feel its probably something memory related or virtual memory related. If you have a spare healthy hard drive kicking around you could swap the drive out and build fresh to that and see if that fixes it if you are unable to get it to run long enough to look at S.M.A.R.T data for drive health.

I had a 3 year old quadcore system running Windows 10 64-bit on 4GB of RAM and the RAM is eaten up quickly by Edge. There were times when the 4GB was all used up and then it went into a memory compression phase where it starts to heavily rely on the hard drive and things started to lag. Increasing to 8GB RAM by adding another 4GB stick made things better.

If your running 32-bit Windows 10 because the CPU doesnt support 64-bit, or the system has a low RAM count, I havent messed with this version to know how well it manages 3GB or less RAM. I played with 32-bit Windows 10 back in beta on a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz HT with 2GB RAM but its performance wasnt the greatest and so I gave up on testing further with it.

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 02:18:39 PM »
Thanks for the insight.
I have not tired 64 bit Windows 10 on this machine.
But It has been working with Windows 7 64 bit.
Th estrange behavior almost lookalike somebody want to ruin my day.  >:(

I will download another copy of 1709.
I will  try it on a smaller drive.

 BTW, do you know of any list of MB5 hash for a Windows 10 ISO?


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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 04:09:30 PM »
I get my Windows 10 ISO's direct from Microsoft. If your getting them elsewhere then this could be why your having troubles. I wouldnt trust any from anywhere else. Microsoft has a tool to download and then you launch that and then select which version you want and then it then downloads the version you want. There is a question of for this computer or another computer, and I chose for a different computer.

If your system has a 64-bit CPU, then i would use the 64-bit version unless your system is running on 2GB or less RAM in which the 32-bit would probably make more sense.

Here is the tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 04:24:57 PM »
You may wanna post the system specs...are you sayin your runnin Win10 on an XP PC a/ a/
That may be why your havin issues...just sayin.
   
 
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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 04:28:53 PM »
Just now I got 32 bit version of 1709 up and running.
 Downloaded my favorite app from the Windows store. Works great.
It must bee the hard drive. This spare drive works good.
This install is just Windows 10 on a 80 GB drive
 Intel core 2 duo 2.99 GHz
RAM is 4 GB, two stick of 2 GB

EDIT: Forget to mention.
This version is British version of 1709,
 - not the USA version.   :P

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 07:55:19 PM »
ok so 32-bit version so your getting use of 3GB of your 4GB then. * 1GB is not used unless you have integrated graphics tapping into that at the BIOS level skimming off the top maybe.

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 08:25:48 PM »
To my knowledge, this system does not do shared memory.
Anyway, some kind of problem showed up. Looks like the same thing.
So, another try and format a drive and let Windows 10 have  on it. It makes its own reserved partition.
At his moment, I am using MS Edge inside a new install of Windows 10  1709 on a Dell 755. The system reports 3.24 GB usable.

My fearis that sohme how somekindofbad thingcomesdownthe intgernet and ruins my install. I am goingtouse the scannernowandseewhathappens.

Instead of Ethernet,this time I am using wirfeless in tghe hopetghat adiffernt provider might  give me a better firewall. At this moment I am using T-Mobile andmy smartphone. It has a hotspopt.

The Ethernetis unpluged and I am not using the wirelessfromtherouter. I wantto make sure the issue is not from my local networkorf my ISP.

So far everythingisgood. But I have not logged into Microsoft with my creditials,  Maybe taht might give me a bit more protection.

Befaore this, ona earlier test,  when I try tolog in with my outlook account it stgarttsto hang up and stgalls. No sure why. Anyway, I am now "Frd Frog" and have no crfeditinals . Computerhop is the only place I have looged into.

Now Iwilltry to get an trusted applicationfrom the Windopws Store. But I am not sure ifitis sdafe to login.

First, I am goingto make a system check point ora recovery drive.
 

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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 11:50:42 AM »
Four days later. Everything is find now.
Windows XP is working. Windows 10 is working.
All updates are in place.
The preset hard drive is now a tested Seagate unit from my spare parts treasure chest.

Looking back, this issue might have been due to a bad combination of hardware failure and windows updates at the same point in time. One of those things that are hard to duplicate as an experiment.

Now if the old drive is subject to testing, it will pass, That has already been done more than  once.Modern hard drives are designed to hide failures.
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For more than 30 years, the realm of computing has been intrinsically linked to the humble hard drive. It has been a complex and sometimes torturous relationship, but thereís no denying the huge role that hard drives have played in the growth and popularization of PCs, and more recently in the rapid expansion of online and cloud storage. Given our exceedingly heavy reliance on hard drives, itís very, very weird that one piece of vital information still eludes us: How long does a hard drive last
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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2018, 05:08:32 PM »
Geek you should know that an 80G HDD is kinda old...
Did you run the Free diagnostics from the drive manuf. on it ? ?
1st thing i woulda checked.

People lately are getting duped into blamin every issue on Win 10 updates....when it's not that at all.
   
 
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Re: Windows 10 updatres make PCunstable.
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 11:52:20 PM »
I now have everything on a single Seagate drive.
It is a 500 GB barracuda that I have tested.

That drive had been in my treasure cheat and I brought it out to help me with my  recent  problem. Now it  has been almost three days now no p problems. The Sea Tools diagnostic says it is good.  :)

The old drive has not been placed in my hazard materials bin.

And I am spending more time with Windows 10.  :D