need help getting master slave for 2 hdd's

[ric4047]

Hi, i've been using Win xp for about 5 years now and am slowly getting used to it.
But there is one thing i cannot get going despite numerous attempts--i have 2 different internal hard drives--the one that came with the pc and a newer one i bought. i can use either one on its own but can't use both together in a master slave combo--i googled how to set the 2 HDs in the pc and move the jumpers about to make one drive master and one slave etc, connect them both to that cable and a power connection to both etc, with pc off---but when i try to then start pc --nothing happens--its like the pc is dead.
      I have noted probs when using either one hard disc--eg pc won't shut down and occas won't reboot---on the rare occas it does shut down it takes numerous attempts to get it started again--it usually makes some bad beeps and then crashes 1 or 2 secs after i hit power on--and often doesn't even beep at all.
    1st hdd is--a Maxtor 3.5 series DiamondMax 10  --250GB PATA133
     2nd hdd(one in at present is a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7  --120GB
     i think both are IDE/ATA type but not sure. one may be SATA --does that matter?
 

Below is a Belarc scan of my pc for your info:

          Operating System   System Model
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (build 2600)   ASUSTeK Computer INC. A7N8X-X REV 2.xx
Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a   Main Circuit Board b
1.35 gigahertz AMD Athlon
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache   Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. A7N8X-X REV 2.xx
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD ASUS A7N8X-X ACPI BIOS Rev 1006 08/19/2003
Drives   Memory Modules c,d
120.02 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
67.48 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

IDE DVD-ROM 16X [CD-ROM drive]
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D [CD-ROM drive]
3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]

EPSON Stylus Storage USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1
ST3120026A [Hard drive] (120.03 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 3JT1RJ5T, rev 3.06, SMART Status: Healthy   1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DDR1' has 512 MB
Slot 'DDR2' has 512 MB
Slot 'DDR3' is Empty
  Local Drive Volumes
    
c: (NTFS on drive 0) 120.02 GB 67.48 GB free
 
  Network Drives
  None detected


  EPSON Stylus Photo RX560 Series on USB001
Microsoft Office Document Image Writer Driver on Microsoft Document Imaging Writer Port:
 
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Standard floppy disk controller
NVIDIA NForce MCP2 IDE Controller
Primary IDE Channel [Controller]
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RADEON 9200 LE SEC Family (Microsoft Corporation) [Display adapter]
Default Monitor
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NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
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Standard Game Port
Unimodem Half-Duplex Audio Device
Communications   Other Devices
Intel(R) 537 Modem

  
NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter
 Dhcp Server:  none responded  
 Physical Address:  00:0C:6E:B8:4B:A4
SpeedTouch USB ADSL PPP
  
Networking Dns Servers:  62.24.218.51
62.24.218.50
   USB Human Interface Device
EPSON RX560/RX580/RX590
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
HID-compliant mouse
SpeedTouch 330 ADSL Modem
Generic USB Hub
USB Composite Device
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Printing Support
USB Root Hub (3x)
Virus Protection [Back to Top]  
AVG 7.5.519 Version 7.5.519
    Realtime File Scanning On
avast! antivirus 4.7.1098 [VPS 080323-0] Version 4.7.1098
    Realtime File Scanning Off
  
Missing Microsoft Security Hotfixes [Back to Top]  

All required security hotfixes (using the 03/11/2008 Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary) have been installed.
Windows
    SP1
        IDNMITIGATIONAPIS  on 10/10/2007  (Microsoft Internationalized Domain Names Mitigation APIs)
        NLSDOWNLEVELMAPPING  on 10/10/2007  (Microsoft National Language Support Downlevel APIs)
 
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Could someone please give me some clues as to what is wrong with my system/hardware.              thanks,        
                                                       ric
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[homer]

which harddrive has the OS on it?

[Dias de verano]

2nd hdd(one in at present is a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7  --120GB

Seagate 7200.7 appears to be a SATA. Didin't you notice the different connectors?

In this picture the larger one is a PATA (IDE) cable

[ric4047]

which harddrive has the OS on it?

the Seagate Barracuda

[Dias de verano]

Are you going to answer about the SATA connector?

I'm confused, because you state the model as Seagate barracuda 7200.7 which is listed as a SATA drive, yet you state you have set master and slave jumpers on both drives. SATA drives don't have "master" and "slave" settings. You just plug 'em in and go.

[ric4047]

2nd hdd(one in at present is a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7  --120GB

Seagate 7200.7 appears to be a SATA. Didin't you notice the different connectors?

In this picture the larger one is a PATA (IDE) cable




Ijust googled the seagate barracuda--you're right it is a SATA--but do all SATAs have that smaller connector--because my one appears to only have a connection point for the bigger ATAcable(ATA 100 i think)

[ric4047]

Are you going to answer about the SATA connector?

I'm confused, because you state the model as Seagate barracuda 7200.7 which is listed as a SATA drive, yet you state you have set master and slave jumpers on both drives. SATA drives don't have "master" and "slave" settings. You just plug 'em in and go.

this SATA does--it has jumpers--and a tiny diagram on its top showing master,slave,and cable select jumper positions on it

[ric4047]

and it mentions to use an ultra ATA cable with it and use cable select with the jumpers--not sure if my what my cable is but i have a spare new ATAcable which is an ''ATA 100 Flat Int ZP37''

[ric4047]

can a SATA and an ATA/IDE both be paired--which should be master if so or does it not matter. i suppose it doesn't matter yet anyway as i can't get them working together. i wondered if it might be a BIOS/CMOS setup problem

[ric4047]

the other thing i didn't mention is both hard drives have windows xp installed on them--should the slave be a formatted drive??

[homer]

the other thing i didn't mention is both hard drives have windows xp installed on them

thats not what you said here...

which harddrive has the OS on it?

the Seagate Barracuda

ok, so apparently both HD's have an OS on them. i suggest re-formatting the slave HD. before doing so you may wish to backup any important files.

[Dias de verano]

From the Seagate web site...

Serial ATA interface disk drives are designed for easy installation. It is not necessary to set any jumpers, terminators, or other settings on this drive for proper operation. The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 150MB/s drives is for factory use only.  The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 300MB/s drives can be used to force the drive into SATA 150MB/s mode for use with older SATA controllers that only work with SATA 150MB/s drives.

You still have not answered about the connector. Can you see the picture I posted above?

1. If it has master & slave settings shown on a little label it is not a SATA drive.

2. If it says use cable select then it definitely is not an SATA drive.

3. If it says use cable select then set the jumper to that position and put it on an 80 wire ATA cable at the furthest connector from the motherboard. The connector which goes in the motherboard socket should be coloured blue.

If your spare cable has one end connector coloured blue it is likely an 80 wire cable which is cable select compatible.

I am still confused about this SATA / PATA business. The connector type should clinch it. Why won't you answer?

[ric4047]

just rechecked--the seagate barracuda 7200.7 comes in SATA or IDE/ATA versions

[Dias de verano]

the other thing i didn't mention is both hard drives have windows xp installed on them--should the slave be a formatted drive??

Sheesh!  Now he tells us. New wife, just after the wedding: Honey, the other things I didn't mention are that I have gonorrhea, I am wanted by the police in 27 states, my left leg is a wooden one and I voted for Bush in 2000.

No wonder the d**n thing won't boot with them both in. Not to mention the SATA drive that maybe isn't after all...

[Dias de verano]

just rechecked--the seagate barracuda 7200.7 comes in SATA or IDE/ATA versions

And which one have you got? This is the third (3rd) time I have asked you about the connector. After this I'm outa here if you don't answer.