Computer Hope
Other => Other => Off topic => Topic started by: smeezekitty on August 28, 2009, 03:58:26 PM
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after seeing these you will see what i mean
http://tweaks.com/forum/Topic253675-59-1.aspx they say updates are for security but this is spyware
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,89562.0.html
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,90570.0.html
i would say this is an excuse for me to not update
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So you use pirated software?
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So you use pirated software?
I'm not quite sure. I had office 2003 which I got with my computer (it was installed by the store owner) and something wierd happened and something corrupted all my office programs. I dug up my cd and then I realised some bad news. Cracked down the center.
My uncle had an office cd which he burned for me. I installed it without a hitch but to my suprise, I got no prompt for serial key. I sure hope it's not pirated!
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Ah, the key phrase is underlined.
My uncle had an office cd which he burned for me.
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i do not have pirated software
i have only downloaded one pirated thing ever
and i got spyware from it an removed it
and will never again download anything pirated
but i dont want microsofts spyware
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i do not have pirated software
i have only downloaded one pirated thing ever
and i got spyware from it an removed it
and will never again download anything pirated
but i dont want microsofts spyware
You know what? Everybody else was right and I was SO wrong.
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i would assume that is sarcasm
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On the contrary. It's a statement of fact.
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Ah, the key phrase is underlined.
I mean, I still got the box lying around somewhere, I could have easily entered a serial key if prompted.
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but i dont want microsofts spyware
Define spyware.
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Define spyware.
Would the new update be classified as spyware? I would think it as an armed guard without ammo.
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Helpmeh you have an issued serial key for the product...therefore you are legal.
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Helpmeh you have an issued serial key for the product...therefore you are legal.
The product is legal, but the copy is copied (pirated?), so I'm good. PHEW!
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It would be the same as borrowing an XP CD to do a repair/clean install...
This is perfectly legal and well within your rights under the EULA...
Actually you may want to contact MS about the original CD...they have a replacement program for certain situations.
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i do not use or distribute pirated software
but i dont care about those stupid end user licence agreement(s) ether
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How is MS adding spyware? SAS or any other number of programmes would be alerted. Sounds like scare mongering to me.
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its spyware because it doesnt ask if you want it to install it
and it checks out your system
aka spyware
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its spyware because it doesnt ask if you want it to install it
and it checks out your system
aka spyware
And you think that MS does not need to check your system when updating. Ok so error report must be spyware as well.
Better still if it really bothers you then stop using Windows.. simple.
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and error report isnt spyware because it askes if you want to send it
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and error report isnt spyware because it askes if you want to send it
And yet does exactly the same thing you describe.
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but the update is installed in the background with the user knowing almost nothing
then retreaving information
microsoft has no right to do that
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It would be the same as borrowing an XP CD to do a repair/clean install...
This is perfectly legal and well within your rights under the EULA...
Actually you may want to contact MS about the original CD...they have a replacement program for certain situations.
I still have the copied CD somewhere, so if it's legal for ME to use it then I'll keep it in case I need to use it again.
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but the update is installed in the background with the user knowing almost nothing
then retreaving information
microsoft has no right to do that
And how is this information used? Maliciously? I think not. Your just scare mongering which is worse than the act you describe.
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i am keeping the updates off simple fact
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i am keeping the updates off simple fact
Good for you and glad to hear it! Just don't tell other people to not update.
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but the update is installed in the background with the user knowing almost nothing
then retreaving information
microsoft has no right to do that
Lets see if you set your computer to notify you when updates are available and let you decid if you want to install you can prevent all of this.
I have yet to have a Microsoft update install on my PC with out me knowing it but if I set my PC to automatically download and install updates then it is "Shame on me" if the system sends out my information not "Shame on Microsoft" for getting the info. I blindly let my system update so I have no right to complain over what the updates do.
User License Agreements are in place to let you know what the company can do and also whatt your rights are so you might want to start caring about them.
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windows and the computer are my property
so i have full rights
microsoft has none
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p.s. i will not tell people not to update
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windows and the computer are my property
so i have full rights
microsoft has none
Actually MS own Windows hence the licence agreement. They licence it to you they don't sell the programme.
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Well he has no use for the EULA agreements....probably why he doesn't know this either.
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Well he has no use for the EULA agreements....probably why he doesn't know this either.
True..
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He's talking about WGA... it's a completely unnecessary "update" that used to be classed as a "critical" update, that provided absolutely no functionality other then examining the PC and sending information back to MS on it (or maybe it simply notified the user itself that it was possibly counterfeit, I can't remember all the specifics)
nonetheless is caused such a furor that MS reduced it to a "Important" update.
The windows update program, which examines the local PC to see what can be updated, runs on the local machine- in a similar fashion to minesweeper. WGA, onb the other hand, would for most PCs be installed and run silently by pushing it through their update system, despite it being completely unnecessary from the perspective of the end-user.
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Still hardly spyware when it's from MS.
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Still hardly spyware when it's from MS.
???
Microsoft is not above privacy laws...
their EULA cannot, under any circumstances, remove rights a person holds from their country's constitution.
By the same (if not an extreme example) If you sign a "waiver" for a person to kill you, and they do- they are still on the hook for murder, because it's considered a crime against society rather then an individual.
Once you start eroding the rights of the people it breaks down exponentially- this is why the idea is that citizens have certain inalienable human rights, that cannot be removed, via agreement, EULA, or otherwise.
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???
Microsoft is not above privacy laws...
their EULA cannot, under any circumstances, remove rights a person holds from their country's constitution.
By the same (if not an extreme example) If you sign a "waiver" for a person to kill you, and they do- they are still on the hook for murder, because it's considered a crime against society rather then an individual.
Once you start eroding the rights of the people it breaks down exponentially- this is why the idea is that citizens have certain inalienable human rights, that cannot be removed, via agreement, EULA, or otherwise.
thank you bc_programmer
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The British courts have struck down "shrink wrap" EULAs, that is, an end user licence agreement that you cannot read and decide to accept or reject until you have opened the pack. In fact many of them may be illegal (in the sense of "having no force") under The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (SI 1999 No 2083) which provide that... "a term which has not been individually negotiated in a consumer contract is unfair (and hence non-binding on the consumer) if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the rights and obligations of the parties to the detriment of the consumer."