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Title: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 07, 2008, 05:50:42 AM
what processor is better one with higher GHz or one with lower GHz but with dual core technology?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 07, 2008, 06:06:23 AM
High GHz, Dual Core would be nice too.

Higher GHz basically means more calculations per second.
Dual Core means it's sharing the load, which takes the pressure off the individual processors.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 07, 2008, 06:28:48 AM
It always depends on the model and line.
The number of cores, the clock speed, FSB, cache, etc are all secondary.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 07, 2008, 06:33:41 AM
If you're planning on getting a new computer, feel free to run it by us and we can give you any suggestions or recommendations. :)
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 07, 2008, 07:11:14 AM
thanks for your help so does this mean that a:
Intel Pentium4 531 3.0GHz 1MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775 EM64T Processor Extension

is not as good as a:

 Intel Celeron Dual Core E1200 Socket LGA775 processor 1.6GHz, 800 MHz fsb, 512kb l2 cache

even though the celeron has lower ghz and lower chache it is better because it is a newer line and is dual core am i right.
thanks,.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 07:16:44 AM
Intel's Celeron processor is not their best...never was.

While the P4 is fast, the Celeron dual-core will handle multitasking better.  However, the Celeron has a known tendency to overheat.

Personally, in this scenario...I'd go with the P4 over the Celeron dual-core...but, hey...that's just me.  I'm sure you'll get other opinions.

Are you planning a new build?  If so, what motherboard do you have and what can it handle?
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 07, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
this is the new motherboard i am hoping to get:
http://thepcoutlet.co.uk/product.asp?code=MB5391

it has a lot of support what processor do you recommend for it.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 08:22:01 AM
What's your price range?

Did you notice on that link you gave us, the supported processors for that board?

Depending on the amount of money you want to spend, what you'll be doing on the computer, etc., etc...will regulate what's recommended.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 07, 2008, 08:26:01 AM
Depending on the amount of money you want to spend, what you'll be doing on the computer, etc., etc...will regulate what's recommended.

Indeed. There is pretty much no point spending all the money for a high-end processor when your just using msword or surfing the internet.
I myself have a 1.7GHz Celeron processor and I mainly use the internet and do homework on the computer, however I am known to play games like Flight Sim and Halo (quite demanding resources but it works fine here).

Saviour your right, cooling is an issue here.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 08:39:25 AM
Based on the motherboard specs, you may want to take a look here:

Intel Processor Spec Finder (http://www.saviourpc.com/intel_processor_spec_finder)

Gives a pretty good description of those processors compatible with your board.

It's up to you to find the best price...or...we can help there, as well

Here are the supported processors for your motherboard:

Intel Celeron 440
Intel Celeron D 352
Intel Celeron E1300
Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
Intel Pentium 4 570J
Intel Pentium 4 670
Intel Pentium D 840
Intel Pentium D 960
Intel Pentium Dual Core E2220
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 07, 2008, 09:14:00 AM
The Celeron is a far better CPU than the P4.
It's based on a much newer architecture and will outperform it whilst running cooler.
The old Celerons weren't too good, but the new ones, whilst still a budget range and therefore not the best, are good CPUs for the money.
What's your budget, and what's this computer for?  We can probably recommend a better CPU for your needs.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 09:18:09 AM
I stand corrected...

Still, personally...I'd prefer a P4 over a Celeron...any day.  However, depending on your needs and price range will determine what's recommended.

Thanks, Calum...
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 07, 2008, 09:26:28 AM
I didn't want to step on your toes but I felt I should step in.
Passmark for E1200 (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+E1200+%40+1.60GHz)
Passmark for P4 3GHz (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+4+3.00GHz)
There's a direct comparison.  Scroll down and find each CPU (they are highlighted) to compare their scores.  The Passmark benchmark measures raw CPU performance, so you can see the Celeron is roughly twice as powerful.  As it's dual core, this means in real terms that when doing one thing they'll be about equal, the Celeron a little ahead, but when multitasking or running multithreaded programs it'll destroy the P4.
The P4 will also run a lot hotter, so it'll be noisier and it will also use more power.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 09:29:43 AM
You didn't step on my toes, friend...

I tend to forget...I'm old school.  So your recommendations are greatly appreciated, as well.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 07, 2008, 03:52:36 PM
i will be using the computer for surfing, homework, watching films and occasionaly video editing/converting.

Im not sure on a budget, what would be a suitable budget?

I simply want the computer to respond quicker eg when clicking on my computer i don't want it to have to bring up a flashlight just because im listening to songs and am downloading something at the same time.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Saviour on September 07, 2008, 04:02:11 PM
This should be sufficient:  http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA9U

Price:  Depends on where you're located and where you shop.  Approximately $200 (USD) or less.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 08, 2008, 12:42:20 AM
Video editing can be a bit resource-intensive, but not too much.

By budget, how much money are you willing to spend?
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 08, 2008, 04:48:35 AM
originally my budget was around £30/$52 but after looking around i reassessed my budget and pushed it to £60/$105

I normally shop at local pc stores does anyone know of any good sites that i can buy of that are cheaper than the big stores.

I think i may go for this one:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAY7

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 08, 2008, 04:51:29 AM
If you can get the E5200 for £60, go for it.
If not, the E2200 is around the same level, a little slower but nothing major.
dabs.com is the store I usually use, but overclockers.co.uk are worth a look.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 08, 2008, 04:54:47 AM
thanks for that speedy reply but i just noticed that under the cpu's supported for my motherboard it gives the following list:

Intel Celeron 430
Intel Celeron D 352
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Intel Pentium 4 570J
Intel Pentium 4 670
Intel Pentium D 840
Intel Pentium D 960
Intel Pentium Dual Core E2160

the one that im after doesn't appear on the list. at first i thought the list was the family of cpus that it could support but it also gives the cpu number e.g. e6700 is that worth worrying about?
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 08, 2008, 05:07:44 AM
Check this CPU support list from the manufacturer - http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5GC-MX
The E5200 isn't supported but it is brand new, so the site may not have been updated.
I would say the board would support it anyway, as it supports some CPUs very similar to it.
That is just a (slightly) educated guess on my behalf though.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: yesterday on September 08, 2008, 06:17:52 AM
Thanks for that calum using your link i found this:
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

all the motherboards that support the e5200 and the one im hoping to get is listed there too.
Title: Re: Processors
Post by: Calum on September 08, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
You're right, it's odd that they haven't yet updated the spec sheet for the board.
Good luck, and I hope everything goes well.