Computer Hope
Software => Apple => Topic started by: Zylstra on August 06, 2006, 12:02:15 AM
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
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Please don't tease the animals. ;)
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Order about 5 back issues of MacAddict and you'll find all kinds of stuff relateing to protecting your mac. Also I would not trust running windows XP natviely on my mac even if bill gates came to my house and said it was safe himself. Use an emulator to run windows on Mac instaid.
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Order about 5 back issues of MacAddict and you'll find all kinds of stuff relateing to protecting your mac. Also I would not trust running windows XP natviely on my mac even if bill gates came to my house and said it was safe himself. Use an emulator to run windows on Mac instaid.
Is the emulator free? If so, can I have a link?
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And why exactly would you pay Apple hardware prices to run Windows? I never did get that one.... ::)
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And why exactly would you pay Apple hardware prices to run Windows? I never did get that one.... ::)
Because I was given a Maggot, I mean, Mac.
Now I want to use that Mac as a Windows computer, thus, I want an emulator.
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Mac's are amazing, running Windows on them is a rediculous idea though.
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Oxymoron? :D
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I must disagree with you, ParadoX...
(I think you have been tracking me on CH)
Macs just are not capable of what they should be. I mean, they cant right click without you pressing Command first...
And when they freeze, you had better hope its not a MacBook, or you are going to have a jolly fun time ripping it open to remove the battery...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7148748849652085555&q=MAc
I have a Mac... so I know. When mine freezes because I decided to save my document, it automatically thinks that I need to loose it, and freezes up on me. So I press Command, Cloverleaf/Apple, and ESC... Its like "Ending this application may cause your computer to freeze" but its already frozen! So no matter which button I click, OK or Cancel, its going to freeze.
(Pressing OK or Cancel, whatever day it is...)
And nothing happens. Its frozen. I cant even enter the Debugger. So I press the restart combo, and nothing happens. So then I feel like I am dieing. And I press the power button. Nothing happens. So I hold the power button down, nothing happens. And then I have to get up and unplug the dang thing. All my open application's data is gone, and I loose my document...
That's why I stick with my trusty Win 3.1 Laptop, Windows 95 Laptop, Windows 95 PC, My other Windows 98 PC, my good Windows 98 PC, and my other XP (and the XP I am using right now) and I just leave the Mac out of everything...
Besides, Macs have a problem with ThirdParty software...
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Order about 5 back issues of MacAddict and you'll find all kinds of stuff relateing to protecting your mac. Also I would not trust running windows XP natviely on my mac even if bill gates came to my house and said it was safe himself. Use an emulator to run windows on Mac instaid.
STILL, It would be cheaper to:
pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
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Order about 5 back issues of MacAddict and you'll find all kinds of stuff relateing to protecting your mac. Also I would not trust running windows XP natviely on my mac even if bill gates came to my house and said it was safe himself. Use an emulator to run windows on Mac instaid.
STILL, It would be cheaper to:
pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
YAY! Someone agrees with me!
I know that Macs do have their good sides:
Video Editing, Image Editing (Though my PC can do just as fine of a job)
But my PC just seems to do much more.
That and its VERY difficult to program for the Macintosh. You try porting your own application from PC to Mac format and show me the results....
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Macs are far too expensive. You can get the hardware for half the price and Linux for free..
Ofcourse, if you want an crappy limp dicked one button mouse and a way too trendy queer keyboard you'll have to pay extra.
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Macs are far too expensive. You can get the hardware for half the price and Linux for free..
Ofcourse, if you want an crappy limp dicked one button mouse and a way too trendy queer keyboard you'll have to pay extra.
(Thankyou!!!) Thankyou!!!
(repeat 5,000,000,000 times)
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Hi,
Not to take side on Mac or Windows (oh, and one Linux box.) Because I use both, I can clearly tell the different between the two. One day, soon after you get your Windows machine, you will see all kinds of virus, and you start to go bold and want to throw your Windows machine out of the window, you will find out the beauty of the Mac. At work, I take care of 13 machines, the Windows machine are running almost flawless but it's because I do virus scan, adware scan, spyware scan on all Windows machines every single day, but the Macs, I hardly have to do anything, once setup, that's it. I don't remember when the last time was when I did house cleaning for the Macs.
MacPC
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I have no spyware nor viruses on any of the windows machines I work with and I have no headaches from them either. They all run and do as they're supposed to. ;)
And the good thing is that I didn't have to go out of my way to buy over priced Macintosh hardware/software that doesn't allow for any type of configuration at all. And I can actually use a mosue with more than one button! HAH!
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Hi,
Well, lucky for you. But don't worry virus hits everyone and every OS. The Mac get hit less is because it's fewer market share and better enginnered OS, to say that Mac won't get virus tho, is just a vast over-statement, would Apple put the money where its mouth is? In the end, MacOS, Windows, Linux... will all get hit if someone wants to do it. And the more you are on line the greater the chance it is. Just the basic facts of probability. What Mac does better tho is Apple doesn't allow programmers to write junk code onto the OS, the OS is not so wide open from access as is in Windows, so even when a program crashes, the OS remains intact, and of course. Writing codes for the Mac is a lot harder, as a result, Mac programs are pricy and not so many variaties available.
MacPC
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Macintoshes OS's do stay intact, but the front application CAN and WILL prevent you from switching out.
Macs just have... problems. But some people do like them more. The prices are WAY to high.
I have a Mac, and do not like it, and hardly use it.
As far as I am concerned...
My PC can open all kinds of music out of the box(es) and can open my pictures too. As compaired to Macs, they just finally started getting Music and Photo software with Mac OS X.
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Hi,
Not to take side on Mac or Windows (oh, and one Linux box.) Because I use both, I can clearly tell the different between the two. One day, soon after you get your Windows machine, you will see all kinds of virus, and you start to go bold and want to throw your Windows machine out of the window, you will find out the beauty of the Mac. At work, I take care of 13 machines, the Windows machine are running almost flawless but it's because I do virus scan, adware scan, spyware scan on all Windows machines every single day, but the Macs, I hardly have to do anything, once setup, that's it. I don't remember when the last time was when I did house cleaning for the Macs.
MacPC
Task manager is your friend. Do the machines get left on over-night, or over lunch? Just schedule the checks for down-times. Like I've done, the Computer at my work is set-up to run checks and d/l updates at like 3am. Simple as.
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I'm sure Mac would have plenty more viruses if it was worth the effort.
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Hey Sid, nice way to wake up an old topic ;)
And yes, if it was worth the time and effort, i'm sure there would be many viruses...
The reason why MAC doesn't have many viruses is because only very serious and old people who think they know everything use them.
(steryotyping, sorry for any offence)
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Hey Sid, nice way to wake up an old topic ;)
And yes, if it was worth the time and effort, i'm sure there would be many viruses...
The reason why MAC doesn't have many viruses is because only very serious and old people who think they know everything use them.
(steryotyping, sorry for any offence)
I get bored I trawl...simple as really.
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Oh, sheesh, I didn't even notice how old this topic was. Let's let sleeping dogs lie.
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isn't mac so secure because its built on unix anyways? Any os that restricts normal users from making system changes is going to be secure. That's where windows fails. But I think vista has taken this stance.... Doesn't it restrict normal users, but let an admin run something within the normal user profile as sudo?
I like the look of osx :)
http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/FlyakiteOSX/FlyakiteOSX.html
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If i got a mac, it wouldn't fit on my desk
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isn't mac so secure because its built on unix anyways? Any os that restricts normal users from making system changes is going to be secure. That's where windows fails. But I think vista has taken this stance.... Doesn't it restrict normal users, but let an admin run something within the normal user profile as sudo?
I like the look of osx :)
http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/FlyakiteOSX/FlyakiteOSX.html
Macs are not secure.
Any virus, if its programmed well enough, can modify its way into editing the System Kernel and System Root Files.
Any system should allow you to access these files.
Vista has something annoyingly similar to Sudo, but it can be disabled, which is incredibly nice that it can be disabled, since I am constantly making changes.
I am not a fan of Sudo, or User Account Control (Vista version of Sudo)
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Oh, sheesh, I didn't even notice how old this topic was. Let's let sleeping dogs lie.
did nobody notice this? ^^^
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Oh, sheesh, I didn't even notice how old this topic was. Let's let sleeping dogs lie.
did nobody notice this? ^^^
apparently you noticed but didn't care.... This topic hasn't been touched in a month. But then you came along... ::)
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yeah... i like touching old topics... i did care.. but i got my dates mixed up... *censored* american dating putting the month first >.<
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I hope to be getting a mac soon.....lmao , i love the look of them i have no-clue whats so ever whats so good about them al ive been told is there a good machine and very relible... im gunna take my chances , but 1st i will upgarde to vista so i play halo 2 ITS THE ONLY DAM REASON WHY IM GETTING VISTA ...... ::)
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I wouldn't get a Mac if you plan to install Windows on it, its kind of like getting a really expensive box with 50% doubled and added to the price.
Take a look at the actual Mac's specifications, and then compare that to a PC, which you will be able to upgrade if you ever wanted to.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNA1RGafuU
That pretty much sums it up... I don't know in whose favour, though...
But seriously... Windows XP >> Mac >> Vista
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEvYETWVK6M
This topic was made August 2006
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
1 word,(well actually its 2 words yet it's hyphonated so...) Boot-camp. The ability to have 2 differant OS legally on 1 computer is quite astounding,yet it can only be done legally on a Mac. Why only have the features of one OS? Its basically giving you another $500 worth of computer in one simple download from mac.com, That is why dear sir we buy Macs. You see Apple users Macsamise* their choices.
*Get it Macs-Amise bwahaha. Oh I do crack myself up.
James
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Oh gosh! Not again! Let the topic rest in peace! :o ::) :o ::) :o ::)
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
1 word,(well actually its 2 words yet it's hyphonated so...) Boot-camp. The ability to have 2 differant OS legally on 1 computer is quite astounding,yet it can only be done legally on a Mac. Why only have the features of one OS? Its basically giving you another $500 worth of computer in one simple download from mac.com, That is why dear sir we buy Macs. You see Apple users Macsamise* their choices.
*Get it Macs-Amise bwahaha. Oh I do crack myself up.
James
1) Boot camp is still BETA software, and is still considered unstable.
2) PC's have the ability, and with even more choices of software, I might mention, to boot multiple operating systems. Not to mention, it can boot any X86 OS, which does include the Mac OS.
Why would I want to pay a bunch extra for something like dual boot when its free on a PC? If I didn't want Mac in the first place, why would I buy a Mac just so I can boot into into Windows using a multiple boot system?
PC's can boot the newer Mac systems that run on the Intel processors anyways.
What would cause that to be illegal?
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I had a war on the school bus today comming home, there was an XP side, Vista side and a Mac side.
Really sad......
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Who won?
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Use your imagination...
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Who won?
Linux appeared out of nowhere and clobbered them all.
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hmmm...good point.
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Who won?
Linux appeared out of nowhere and clobbered them all.
I will admit, Linux hasn't failed to impress me, there is a lot of OpenSource software for it, but I just enjoy Windows more.
I do like how the Linux OS has the package manager, a bunch of people from the Linux community attacked me with the fact that its difficult to get viruses, since the Package Manager is inspected.
I like the WINE program, but it has shown to have limited functionality.
The one thing I don't like about Linux is that the desktop doesn't handle half the work, the terminal program does that for you, and since I don't feel like learning a new "DOS" I'm not up to the advanced work in the back end that happens when you have incompatible software.
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I agree. I don't like using the command line. That's why I like openSuSE. They've got the best control panel of any linux distro out there, hands down. I've gone several months without hardly touching the command line because of it. Most linux users will agree that suse has the most intuitive control panel.
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I agree. I don't like using the command line. That's why I like openSuSE. They've got the best control panel of any linux distro out there, hands down. I've gone several months without hardly touching the command line because of it. Most linux users will agree that suse has the most intuitive control panel.
Yes, I'm going to revive the topic again to throw in my 2¢
I have my PowerBook G3 (which I am posting this from) and my good old PC. I have a dual boot between Windows 2000 Professional and Kubuntu 7.04 on the PC, and Mac OS X 10.3.9 on the PowerBook.
I'm one of those weird breeds of people who actually prefers to work with things in console mode, thus the reason I like Mac OS X and Linux so much.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Windows by any means, I just don't like the fact that it's so easily vulnerable, and anyone can modify your Windows directory if they want to.
I know it's not impossible to write a virus for Linux, but it's certainly more difficult, being that in order to modify anything outside of your home directory you have to enter your root password (or, as in the case of sudo, your user account password).
Now, back on topic, why would i pay $1099-$1999 for a Mac? Because, if anything, they're good quality computers. My PowerBook is at least 9 years old now, and it's long outlived my 7 year old Toshiba Tecra, which suffers from broken hinges (the screen doesn't stay up on it's own now) and a bad AC jack.
My PowerBook is also still useful for (somewhat) modern tasks. Try running Windows XP on a 9 year old computer. I've done it before. It's doable, but not very usable by any means.
(http://cables.whatisnotmyip.com/~jperkins/aboutthismac.png) (yes, it's perfectly usable, and I'm running like 4 programs right now)
Well, that's my 2¢
-John
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Actually, the only thing I have against Mac is that I don't have one. Well, two things, actually. You also can't really build one. Although, you might be able to now that they support intel. Not sure... ??? But even if I could, why would I want to put such a pretty OS in a boring old box.
I actually like almost every os that I've tried: windows xp, linux (suse, ubuntu, fedora, etc.), mac OS9 & 10, and especially good old BeOS. The one exception is Vista. That's such a piece of crap and they sacrificed usability for design. Bad move for microsoft. >:( Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if apple begins to catch up with microsoft in user base. :)
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Actually, the only thing I have against Mac is that I don't have one. Well, two things, actually. You also can't really build one. Although, you might be able to now that they support intel. Not sure... ??? But even if I could, why would I want to put such a pretty OS in a boring old box.
I actually like almost every os that I've tried: windows xp, linux (suse, ubuntu, fedora, etc.), mac OS9 & 10, and especially good old BeOS. The one exception is Vista. That's such a piece of crap and they sacrificed usability for design. Bad move for microsoft. >:( Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if apple begins to catch up with microsoft in user base. :)
I completely agree on the Vista front. I've used it once, and I never want to use it again. I'll stick with Win2k thank you very much.
As for OS 9, I don't care for it to say the least. The fact that an OS released in 1999 lacks protected memory and a decent implementation of preemptive multitasking is sad. It actually runs slower than Mac OS X on my PowerBook.
I like Mac OS 8, though, and System 7.
-John
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this is a really old topic lol... you should never have revived it Braden ::) it's gonna go on forever
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this is a really old topic lol... you should never have revived it Braden ::) it's gonna go on forever
Hey, what did I do ::) ?
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i've come to the simple conclusion that when something happens it's your fault ;D
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Hey, as leader of the Core Trio, I protest! I can do no wrong!
BTW, you revived this topic!
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YOU ARE NOT THE LEADERRRR!!
we are all equal, and Chris is the leader ;D
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No, Chris may be the Radius Leader, but not the Core Trio leader!
And why can't there be a leader?
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Its funny, I have all the power to lock this topic... but I never do...
I mainly keep it opened simply because I don't like Macs, and I can contradict almost any plus a user posts...
Ah, my Macintosh is clicking happily in the background (HDD Noises)....
I installed Debian on it
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Long live non-mac computers!
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Long Live XP. :p
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Macs are pretty. :D
Can't contradict that one Z!
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Macs are pretty. :D
Can't contradict that one Z!
Now, I honestly have to say:
I think they are *censored*-ugly.
This thing reminds me of a vaccume cleaner... http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/imac.jpg
Uck, http://www.ellythompson.co.uk/images/imac.png Who the heck would want a white computer (not racist)
I have one of these, why do they give them fruit names? Mine is Grape with a Blueberry keyboard and mouse http://techshop.earthlink.net/images/I12448.jpg
Top left one looks like poo http://images.apple.com/pr/photos/iMac/imac_flowershot.jpg
My Grandma thinks the older iMacs (the fruit names ones) are pretty, I don't think they are that bad, but seriously, old Compaq computers are better, simply since you can hide the case, though, admittably, it is nice to have a box with built in monitor and the computer with it. I wonder what the demagnetization rate is...
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demagnetization? There wouldn't be any. Hard drives have strong magnets in them but are shielded very well, the speakers are small enough that you would have to hold it right on the screen to do any damage...... LCDs aren't even affected by magnets. So, the demagnetization rate could be 0.001%. ;) :P
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demagnetization? There wouldn't be any. Hard drives have strong magnets in them but are shielded very well, the speakers are small enough that you would have to hold it right on the screen to do any damage...... LCDs aren't even affected by magnets. So, the demagnetization rate could be 0.001%. ;) :P
All computer parts and components (the board in the LCD screen) can be affected by magnets, and yes, even the Poo Machines have that problem
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Macs are annoying, on many different levels.
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Oh wow, I didn't realize how old this was! I thought Zylstra had started it...
EDIT: My bad, he did start it. Hmm...
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Hooray! This topic has been alive for over a year!!!!!!!!! :o :o ;D :D ::) :) :P
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Hooray! This topic has been alive for over a year!!!!!!!!! :o :o ;D :D ::) :) :P
Maybe we should let this one die...
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I guess some people like to resurect old threads (especially if they are new and/or do not know that they are old threads).
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Hooray! This topic has been alive for over a year!!!!!!!!! :o :o ;D :D ::) :) :P
Maybe we should let this one die...
I don't know, it's starting to have some sentimental value to it. Maybe we should keep it going for another year or two. :)
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Hooray! This topic has been alive for over a year!!!!!!!!! :o :o ;D :D ::) :) :P
Maybe we should let this one die...
I don't know, it's starting to have some sentimental value to it. Maybe we should keep it going for another year or two. :)
That may be hard to do.
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I will make a commitment to revive this topic every month or so, so long as another will reply to whatever I post. :P
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why is this topic being kept alive .....
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For it's historical value, of course. We are erecting a monument in its honor.
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I see lol ..... :-\
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Problem with this topic is that it's not in the "Off Topic" section, so everyone who posts here ups their post count, and so a moderator may lock it....
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Maybe a mod should move it..... before I go crazy and post a hundred times in a row!
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Then you'll get banned, and there will be no more michaewlewis! :(
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I hate this topic
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Hey Tony, you should ask Nathan to change your status to Spam Guard or Forum Antispammer or something similar ;)
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You all do realize that this topic is the only thing that happens in the Apple bin on this forum, right?
Thats why I dont bother locking it. I dont recommend that you start making it into something that isn't useful, I keep it to contradict any Apple user who comes by here.
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So if anyone comes out and says something nice about Macs, we'll jump on him!
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HAHAHAHA LMAO josh!!
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Almost like your sig, except that they are committing a much worse crime than spamming, they are favoring Macs!!! :o
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You all do realize that this topic is the only thing that happens in the Apple bin on this forum, right?
Thats why I dont bother locking it. I dont recommend that you start making it into something that isn't useful, I keep it to contradict any Apple user who comes by here.
I didn't realise...
Lol, Apple bin.
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Then you'll get banned, and there will be no more michaewlewis! :(
Noooooooooooo!!!!! I can't be banned! :'( :'( :'( Who would take care of the web design forum!?
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Then you'll get banned, and there will be no more michaewlewis! :(
Noooooooooooo!!!!! I can't be banned! :'( :'( :'( Who would take care of the web design forum!?
Yeah, well Zylstra said we're fine, so I guess we're fine. :-\
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I'm actually considering buying the mac mini. Any real hacker knows the ins and outs of all of the major operating systems. Apple is what's left for me. :)
I like the interface of mac osx too. :)
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I'm actually considering buying the mac mini. Any real hacker knows the ins and outs of all of the major operating systems. Apple is what's left for me. :)
I like the interface of mac osx too. :)
RIP LEWIS!!
JOSH POUNCE!
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:P :P :P :P
;D ;D
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I didn't mean the forum regulars!!!
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I didn't mean the forum regulars!!!
Who cares hes sleeping with apple on the side!!! Poor windows :(
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I didn't mean the forum regulars!!!
Who cares hes sleeping with apple on the side!!! Poor windows :(
Careful, micaewlewis, Tony wants to bounce on you!!!
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I think it's kind of funny how so many people say how much they hate windows but refuse to use mac and are afraid to use linux. every os has it's good side.
Windows - games, hardware support
Mac - multimedia applications, prettiness
linux - security, server apps
BeOS - :-\ there's gotta be something :-\
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lol, I like Windows, and I like Linux, but I'm just too lazy to take time to figure it out, and I don't have a computer to spare to put it on.
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you guys should be assamed lewis and josh hang your heads ........ windows looks down on you ............
Mind you in macs defense?
Who would you take a nightclub with you ? A mac why .... because they cant catch viruss lmao!
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you guys should be assamed lewis and josh hang your heads ........ windows looks down on you ............
Mind you in macs defense?
Who would you take a nightclub with you ? A mac why .... because they cant catch viruss lmao!
What?? ???
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you guys should be assamed lewis and josh hang your heads ........ windows looks down on you ............
Mind you in macs defense?
Who would you take a nightclub with you ? A mac why .... because they cant catch viruss lmao!
What?? ???
He means... um... ???
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you guys should be assamed lewis and josh hang your heads ........ windows looks down on you ............
Mind you in macs defense?
Who would you take a nightclub with you ? A mac why .... because they cant catch viruss lmao!
I was taking the extreme mickey out of the mac ... nevermind ::)
What?? ???
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I wonder where the MAC lovers are ??? :-X :-X :P :P :P ::) :o ;D
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They are afraid of us.... Muhuhahahaha....
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They are afraid of us.... Muhuhahahaha....
Ha i bet they aint lol
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I dare anyone to post good things about Macs!
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
No, that just means that they steal open source stuff and sell it again
It also means that they use an OS built in the 50's
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
Now we will make an example of you! Come on Tony, let's jump on him!
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
Now we will make an example of you! Come on Tony, let's jump on him!
michaewlewis :'( you made me cry with such a comment ....... :P
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
Now we will make an example of you! Come on Tony, let's jump on him!
michaewlewis :'( you made me cry with such a comment ....... :P
Calm down... we are still a majority here.
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Macs are good because they have a Unix kernel.
HA! Take that! :P
No, that just means that they steal open source stuff and sell it again
It also means that they use an OS built in the 50's
But it is a secure and stable kernel that has had tons of improvements since the 50s. A lot more stable than any windows kernel. I don't know what apple put on top of the kernel, but it's roots are good. ;)
Has anyone actually used unix? The only unix I've used is bsd. I think it's the only free one. ???
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It burns IT BURNS!!
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It burns IT BURNS!!
What burns? ???
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my eyes from seeing such good comments about macs!
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So you admit they are good comments?
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NO!!!
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rotfl
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rotfl
What does the "t" stand for?
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rolling on the floor laughing
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oh ok. I wonder why some spell it "rofl".
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Now now, dont let this topic get too off topic
Apple isnt great at keeping their systems actually updated.
The Mac OS9 system used a kernel LAST CHANGED/UPDATED in 1984
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What's a kernel anyway?
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What's a kernel anyway?
Its funny, I was reading your reply while playing "Crazy Little Thing (Called Love)" and it stopped suddenly
Read here:
http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/k/kernel.htm
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29
And here:
(Fine, I dont really have another link to bombard you with)
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Thanks for the info. ;)
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Thanks for the info. ;)
Josh is steve onl msn..... :)
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No. lol this is a late answer, but I just now saw your question. Haven't seen him on MSN all day, although we were PMing on his site.
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freaking twat, buy it then instead of complaining :)
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freaking twat, buy it then instead of complaining :)
COL ;D
I knew this topic would be picked up again by some passerby!
I have no idea what he is referring to, but for some reason, it's funny! ;D
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Goodness
Buy it? Obviously, I cant afford it, showing that its too expensive, showing that they have bad marketing practices.
The Intel processor in a Mac is just a step closer to a ridiculously expensive PC with no difference but the weak BIOS in the Mac and limited hardware support.
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How about paying $599 for a mac mini?
Specs:
* 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 80GB hard drive
* Mac OSX
* Nothing else
* Not even a DVD burner
* or a monitor
* just a pretty box
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How about paying $599 for a mac mini?
Specs:
* 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 80GB hard drive
* Mac OSX
* Nothing else
* Not even a DVD burner
* or a monitor
* just a pretty box
Because my $749 laptop has:
x2 1.73GHz Core Duo (didnt pay for the expensive mobile Core2)
1GB of Memory
120GB HDD (Good for a laptop HDD)
Windows Vista Home Premium
A good graphics card
Monitor built in, GOOD speakers that arent covered by plastic
An even prettier box
A good graphics card, GeForce Go 7300
CD Burner (DVD Reader)
An actual chipset (Intel)
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Macintosh is a completely different OS.
If you don't like Windows, then switch to Linux Ubuntu instead.
Sure, these days, software is not compatible with Ubuntu, however, why install software, when everything is there for you?
As for me, I'll stick to Windows!
Down with Steve Jobs, LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!
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Macintosh is a completely different OS.
If you don't like Windows, then switch to Linux Ubuntu instead.
Sure, these days, software is not compatible with Ubuntu, however, why install software, when everything is there for you?
As for me, I'll stick to Windows!
Down with Steve Jobs, LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!
I like them both.
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Macintosh is a completely different OS.
If you don't like Windows, then switch to Linux Ubuntu instead.
Sure, these days, software is not compatible with Ubuntu, however, why install software, when everything is there for you?
As for me, I'll stick to Windows!
Down with Steve Jobs, LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!
I like them both.
Mac, Apple, or Linux?
Linux has a good emulator that allows it to run Windows applications for free, but it doesnt work extremely well. Apple has similar software, but it costs a great deal of money.
Most applications avaliable on Linux are also avaliable on Windows
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Amiga all the way for me baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D COL
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as long as ur rich
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as long as ur rich
Your posts are always so clear and concise...... ???
No, seriously..... what are you talking about?
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No, seriously..... what are you talking about?
I think he means, as long as you're rich, you can buy a Mac.
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exactly.
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thanks for the clarification. I think I see it now. :P
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thanks for the clarification. I think I see it now. :P
Perhaps you should use your money for laser eye surgery, instead of buying a Mac
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I've actually been thinking about lasik.... it sounds great. :P
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I've actually been thinking about lasik.... it sounds great. :P
Its bad actually,
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I've actually been thinking about lasik.... it sounds great. :P
Its bad actually,
In some cases, it can be bad, but in 98% of procedures, it ends up being good.
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I've actually been thinking about lasik.... it sounds great. :P
Its bad actually,
In some cases, it can be bad, but in 98% of procedures, it ends up being good.
Kind of like a Microsoft BETA?
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My friend keeps harassing me on buying a mac. Talking about how reliable it is, and how in the long run i won't regret it. I think it's all bull. Although he has me thinking twice. The thing is that i can get almost the same specs on a windows based laptop for like 400-500 dollars less. He doesn't understand that being a (mac user) He keeps saying how it is so much better. I'm confused, Someone show me the righteous path before i walk through the yellow mac road.
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My friend keeps harassing me on buying a mac. Talking about how reliable it is, and how in the long run i won't regret it. I think it's all bull. Although he has me thinking twice. The thing is that i can get almost the same specs on a windows based laptop for like 400-500 dollars less. He doesn't understand that being a (mac user) He keeps saying how it is so much better. I'm confused, Someone show me the righteous path before i walk through the yellow mac road.
Macs can be great for some people, but observe this:
Macs are kind of like expensive PC's, they do tend to use the same hardware. I would not say that Macs are higher quality. The reason why people assume Macs are more reliable is that:
You cant modify the operating system, and it has very limited hardware and software support. Therefor, you cant really add stuff to it, unless its strictly built.
With a regular PC, the main problems start occurring here:
1st and foremost problems for both PC's and Macs: Whatever is in between the computer, and the chair.
2nd, 3rd party software. PC's can have more 3rd part software installed. There is some very horribly written software out there, and you might install it, resulting in a computer slowdown. Its extremely difficult to program for the Mac OS, and therefor, you cant install the software you want, and that yields in a faster OS since it doesn't have third party software. If you take a regular PC, and dont install extra software, it will continue to run at great speeds.
btw: All operating systems have viruses that they can get.
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Thx for the response. So you wouldn't advise me to buy a mac, you would deem it not worth it? I just really want it for multi-tasking and internet use. I have a pretty descent pc. I just want a laptop. Any suggestions for one below mac price but with the same or better specs?
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Thx for the response. So you wouldn't advise me to buy a mac, you would deem it not worth it? I just really want it for multi-tasking and internet use. I have a pretty descent pc. I just want a laptop. Any suggestions for one below mac price but with the same or better specs?
Macbooks usually price (new) at $1000+, laptops of the equivalent vary on what you want to do.
You should check with:
Dell www.dell.com
HP/Compaq www.hp.com
Newegg www.newegg.com (they sell all sorts of computers)
Other users might suggest some other companies. Be sure to compare first!
Now, I have to take this short amount of time to be fair:
Yes, Macs can be useful for somethings
Okay, done being fair
Your Mac options are listed here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore
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Whatever you do, DO NOT buy a Compaq!
The CD-ROM drive on my Compaq laptop just stopped working due to normal usage of the laptop.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Also, the Compaq Recovery CD is total rubbish.
If you want a laptop, try Toshiba.
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Whatever you do, DO NOT buy a Compaq!
The CD-ROM drive on my Compaq laptop just stopped working due to normal usage of the laptop.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Also, the Compaq Recovery CD is total rubbish.
If you want a laptop, try Toshiba.
I must disagree with this advice (sorry, I just must)
HP and Compaq dont have half the problems as many of the other big companies (eg: Dell and Gateway)
Not sure if its just better built, or higher quality parts.
The top two issues in laptops: Overheating, and things bending and eventually breaking/cracking
One of the biggest things you can do to get a good deal is to go on www.newegg.com and find the laptop you are looking at, and read the reviews. NOTE! Any complaints you read on review services (like Newegg) that mention a problem with the operating system are made by idiots. Why? The operating system has nothing to do with the laptop.
Dairyman: Did you try using your wonderful lovely warranty?
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Dairyman: Did you try using your wonderful lovely warranty?
The warranty was for two years. Now it is 4 years since I purchased this junk box. For some reason, when I purchase a product, trouble only starts when the warranty expires.
Anyway, I contacted Compaq and they couldn't help. Looks like I have to take my computer to a repair shop. Scary though, many repair shops here know how to hack a password and steal your data. But I don't think they will be able to do that on this machine, I've setup a password for every account and securely deleted my private data. All I need to fix is the CD-ROM drive, which I can't close because one stupid part of the CD-ROM drive is not moving.
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Dairyman: Did you try using your wonderful lovely warranty?
The warranty was for two years. Now it is 4 years since I purchased this junk box. For some reason, when I purchase a product, trouble only starts when the warranty expires.
Anyway, I contacted Compaq and they couldn't help. Looks like I have to take my computer to a repair shop. Scary though, many repair shops here know how to hack a password and steal your data. But I don't think they will be able to do that on this machine, I've setup a password for every account and securely deleted my private data. All I need to fix is the CD-ROM drive, which I can't close because one stupid part of the CD-ROM drive is not moving.
On the bottom of your laptop, there is a single screw that you should be able to remove. Remove the CD-ROM drive. Buy a new one, and slide it in. Problem fixed (might be able to try searching Google if you need more in-depth instructions)
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HP and Compaq dont have half the problems as many of the other big companies (eg: Dell and Gateway)
I concur.
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On the bottom of your laptop, there is a single screw that you should be able to remove. Remove the CD-ROM drive. Buy a new one, and slide it in. Problem fixed (might be able to try searching Google if you need more in-depth instructions)
Thanks Zylstra. Will try that as soon as possible.
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I put a list together a while back, comparing prices for a top of the line Mac and a PC just as powerful..... price ended up being about $4000 cheaper for the PC.
Things I included were
MAC:
2x quad cores (3ghz?), 8gb ram, 512mb video card (dual output), a few 1tb hard drives, two 24" LCDs; software: Leopard, Final Cut Pro, mac office, soundforge (or whatever their sound studio is)
Price: ~$10,000
PC:
server mobo, 2x quad cores (3ghz), 8gb ram, 2x 512mb video cards (dual outputs), a few 1tb hdds, four 24" LCDs; software: Vista Ultimate, adobe elements pro (the one with every adobe product in it), office 2007 ultimate
Price: ~$6,000
I think I'll stick with PC...... :P
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Yeah, but the Macintosh has high end stuff 'cuz Apple has nVidia give their gefork model ah diffrent numba so its gotta be better!
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they really do that??? :-\
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they really do that??? :-\
Yes, the Apple company has models of cards from nVidia and ATI that you cannot get for a PC, but honestly, its the same thing. I dont see why they would release their license for something that could be better to only one company. It might be a different model, but, I suspect its probably the driver interface and the hardware interface that might be slightly different, but, in all truths, I seriously doubt they are any better, but, I wont say they are worse.
So anyways, writing this post on a $1049 laptop (thats with tax) that seems to be able to do more than a Mac... including play videos with strange encodings! Beat that, Apple!
(Stupid Quicktime)
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Yes, the Apple company has models of cards from nVidia and ATI that you cannot get for a PC
[FAINTS]
So anyways, writing this post on a $1049 laptop (thats with tax) that seems to be able to do more than a Mac... including play videos with strange encodings! Beat that, Apple!
(Stupid Quicktime)
Agreed. Vista and XP has more film creating software and encodings than Macintrash does.
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lol! this has to be the greatest thing I've ever seen on CH...
You should see my friends at school harping on about how great macs are... I actually believe they were created by a man with none of the left side of his brain, and a shruken, deformed right half...
Yes, macs are WONDERFUL for a network, absoluteley superb. Explain then, if this is so, why my Mothers mac froze every five minutes, was sent to her workplace at least once a fortnight for repairs, and why it actively refused to interface with every printer under the sun?
I have used Windows forever, when I was 10 I built my own working computer running win 3.1 on bits of broken 486's. A little while later, I had 2 of them fully networked together on my desk. When I became 13, my Father gifted my a win98SE computer, an absolutley brilliant machine that has only ever had one issue, which was a sound problem I fixed... now I have a winXP Home, which has never had a problem ever.
I have yet to be proved to me that macs are worth the exorbant fees for buying, maintanince, and using...
Using WinXP Home
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I don’t consider myself being an expert on the field but I can talk about my experience.
March 2007 bought me a Toshiba 105 for $1250 – eleven months later, same one (even better) costs like $750.
Now my understanding is that the topic “Re: Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac” is active since august 2006 and so far the Mac prices are still about the same!!! That tells me that apple must be very good at what they do or maybe it’s brainwashing all their costumers, anyway it’s still worth something.
That’s why I bought a MBP, in two years it’s still going to be worth the same, whereas I wonder how much would be costing PC’s. ???
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I don’t consider myself being an expert on the field but I can talk about my experience.
March 2007 bought me a Toshiba 105 for $1250 – eleven months later, same one (even better) costs like $750.
Now my understanding is that the topic “Re: Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac” is active since august 2006 and so far the Mac prices are still about the same!!! That tells me that apple must be very good at what they do or maybe it’s brainwashing all their costumers, anyway it’s still worth something.
That’s why I bought a MBP, in two years it’s still going to be worth the same, whereas I wonder how much would be costing PC’s. ???
Its not worth the same price.
A PC price changes since they are constantly being updated with the newest hardware avaliable.
This meaning: If I but a $100 video card, in about a year, it might only be worth $80 since a newer better version has been released.
Apple will continue selling you the old hardware at the same price, in other words, your buying old stuff at an expensive price.
Also, Apple keeps the same brands. Eg: the iMac and Powerbook product lines. Even if they get updated, they still retain the same name.
The price of a PC will always be cheaper, due to the economics that take place behind them. When you have companies like Dell, Gateway, Compaq, and Acer competing against each other to have the best cheapest computer, they keep lowering their prices. Apple is the only company that sells the Macintosh, and thus, can price their computers as high as they want since there are no other companies trying to give out better offers.
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I don’t consider myself being an expert on the field but I can talk about my experience.
March 2007 bought me a Toshiba 105 for $1250 – eleven months later, same one (even better) costs like $750.
Now my understanding is that the topic “Re: Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac” is active since august 2006 and so far the Mac prices are still about the same!!! That tells me that apple must be very good at what they do or maybe it’s brainwashing all their costumers, anyway it’s still worth something.
That’s why I bought a MBP, in two years it’s still going to be worth the same, whereas I wonder how much would be costing PC’s. ???
Its not worth the same price.
A PC price changes since they are constantly being updated with the newest hardware avaliable.
This meaning: If I but a $100 video card, in about a year, it might only be worth $80 since a newer better version has been released.
Apple will continue selling you the old hardware at the same price, in other words, your buying old stuff at an expensive price.
Also, Apple keeps the same brands. Eg: the iMac and Powerbook product lines. Even if they get updated, they still retain the same name.
The price of a PC will always be cheaper, due to the economics that take place behind them. When you have companies like Dell, Gateway, Compaq, and Acer competing against each other to have the best cheapest computer, they keep lowering their prices. Apple is the only company that sells the Macintosh, and thus, can price their computers as high as they want since there are no other companies trying to give out better offers.
Thanks for the clarifications Z, but what do you think would be a best outcome for an average costumer like me? Honestly if I would have kept my Toshiba, I would have lost like 50% of the price; on the other hand most of apple products are priced like they were a year or two years ago. I got your point about PC companies competing each other but don’t you think that the fact that apple is overpriced is maybe enabling the costumers not to loose value of their apple hardware.
Don’t get me wrong I am not an apple freak and I wouldn’t trade my self build PC with any “brand” PC, I think I am objective if a state that if you own an apple laptop you would loose less money than owning any other brand.
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No computer retains its full value. If you go on ebay or craigslist, you'll see this very clearly. A four year old mac, which probably cost $1500 new, can sell for about $300 now. Mac just brainwashes all of its users to believe crap like that.
Also, almost every mac user I've talked to thinks that their mac is more invulnerable, faster, can do more, can do everything better, etc. Mac brainwashes everyone to believe that. I still haven't seen any benchmarks to prove any of it.
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I found a few benchmarks, there's plenty more if you look....
http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=112749&page=8&type=table&zoomIdx=1
http://digitalproducer.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=11624
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/2002/07/12/steinberg.htm
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If you buy an Intel MAC all you're really getting is a tweaked PC, with a different OS.
So, you could buy the same specs, and put a Linux Distro on it and get even better results.
The reason Apple charge so much is because they "own" the hardware pool.
You can in fact, with exception to the motherboard, buy all the individual pieces of a modern Intel Mac.
The thing is, Apple pays a handful of people to design specific drivers for these pieces of hardware. This "optimises" these bits, and apparently makes them much more expensive...
Sure.
Anyway, just adding to this thread, again, because it refuses to stop pestering me in my "updated topics" and it keeps sending me emails.
OH, and MBA is just a joke. No CD drive?! Only one USB?! PAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I highly doubt that if it goes T-o-A the wifi CD drive will work to rescue it.
Also, we've all had issues with wireless networking...I'd hate to HAVE to depend on it.
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Thanks for the links michaewlewis, I completely concur with you, people are getting brainwashed without making the effort of surfing the net personally, that’s why I am trying to stick to the facts.
Apropos facts, appreciate the links (from 2002!!!), here are some articles from 2007 of the very same links
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html
http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=167680
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/computing/2006-08-23-mac-pro-review_x.htm
By the way here’s a very useful link
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Total-rating.2671.0.html
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i dont know a lot about mac's, besides my nickname is mac(no pun intended) but i do kno that macs have different file exetension so if u try to run an exe applacation on a mac its going to just sit there. and that means since viruses, worms and trojans are .exe files(programs) the wont be able to run so Macs actually have better security but ur right Macs are priced WAY 2 High so its ur desicion.
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Macs don't necessarily have better security, they just are less targeted. Viruses don't have to have an exe extension. A lot of worms have the vbs extension, which other platforms can run, too.
I read a few weeks ago that in 2007, Leopard had more bugs found than Vista and XP combined. Can't remember where I read it... it was probably an article on slashdot.
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
I know I'm jumping into the conversation way late in the game, but I've got a few things that I'd like to add.
First of all, I'd like to agree that the lack of expansion slot(s) on the macbooks quite frankly, sucks.
However, don't try to claim that a $512 laptop with Windows XP on it has a lot more than a macbook for $1099.
The macbook has a variety of things included in it, which is why Apple is able to ask the higher price(s). To name a few things: Built in iSight camera, Bluetooth, 802.11 N wireless card, and a whole bunch of software.
If you look at the OS alone, Mac OS 10.4 or 10.5 comes with a lot more than Windows XP/Vista does. Furthermore, your mac comes with the newest version of iLife, allowing you to make movies (with a decent video editing application), Organize and edit photos (with a much better photo editing application than "microsoft photo editor"), and create and edit your own music.
I am not trying to argue that this means everyone should buy the $1099 macbook over a $512 windows laptop. I am, however, arguing that they are for two different things. A person who is looking for the ability to edit movies, create/edit music, etc. is not going to pick up a $512 windows laptop anyway. If they are going to buy a windows machine, they are going to be spending quite a bit more for a decent machine. This doesn't even consider the fact that there really isn't much for decent video editing on a windows machine. Furthermore, they'd need a lot more ram to be able to run their video editing program of choice (be it pinnacle, sony dvd studio, etc).
I say all of this as a person who used to hate apples. It turned out, after using a mac (with OS X or newer (10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5)) that I began to really like the way the operating system works.
It seems to me that the majority of mac haters have either had bad experiences with OS 9 or below (like me) or have never really used Mac OS X for an extended period of time. I used a mac laptop for 2 weeks (no windows machine used during that time) and fell in love.
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I must disagree with you, ParadoX...
(I think you have been tracking me on CH)
Macs just are not capable of what they should be. I mean, they cant right click without you pressing Command first...
First of all, on a Mac, you rarely need to even right click. Also, you can use a two button mouse if you want. What do you mean "not capable of what they should be?" Who determined that all computers must right click? Apple made the one button mouse because they wanted to simplify their computers for those who needed to learn. Honestly, I barely even use control click on my mac, and I use it all the time.
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And when they freeze, you had better hope its not a MacBook, or you are going to have a jolly fun time ripping it open to remove the battery...
Obviously, you haven't used a macbook very often, because you don't have to "rip it open to remove the battery." The battery is right on the bottom of the laptop, and removable by either using your fingernail to turn the button or a coin.
If you are talking about the internal battery, which all computers have, you're going to have to rip them apart as well.
Honestly, your rantings about macs sound less like informed qualms and much more like childish complaints about a computer you don't know much about.
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I am not trying to argue that this means everyone should buy the $1099 macbook over a $512 windows laptop. I am, however, arguing that they are for two different things. A person who is looking for the ability to edit movies, create/edit music, etc. is not going to pick up a $512 windows laptop anyway. If they are going to buy a windows machine, they are going to be spending quite a bit more for a decent machine. This doesn't even consider the fact that there really isn't much for decent video editing on a windows machine. Furthermore, they'd need a lot more ram to be able to run their video editing program of choice (be it pinnacle, sony dvd studio, etc).
Someone who wants to do serious media editing probably isn't going to use a laptop anyways. :P Serious editors want serious power, which is something a laptop can't give.
As far as video editing software, the industry standard isn't mac specific software. Ever heard of Avid? Most of the movies you watch, as well as most TV shows, use Avid, not Final Cut Pro, which mac fans love to say. Avid can be run on both windows and mac.
For music editing, the standard is said to be Pro Tools and mac users will tell you its mac only, but they have a windows version too...
Macs are just more expensive, that's all. It doesn't have have any real advantages.
So quit this ridiculous nonsense in saying that mac is better than windows. It's just not true. If you want to say that you like mac more than windows, that would be fine. In reality, an os is only as good as the person using it.
FYI
I put a list together a while back, comparing prices for a top of the line Mac and a PC just as powerful..... price ended up being about $4000 cheaper for the PC.
Things I included were
MAC:
2x quad cores (3ghz?), 8gb ram, 512mb video card (dual output), a few 1tb hard drives, two 24" LCDs; software: Leopard, Final Cut Pro, mac office, soundforge (or whatever their sound studio is)
Price: ~$10,000
PC:
server mobo, 2x quad cores (3ghz), 8gb ram, 2x 512mb video cards (dual outputs), a few 1tb hdds, four 24" LCDs; software: Vista Ultimate, adobe elements pro (the one with every adobe product in it), office 2007 ultimate
Price: ~$6,000
I think I'll stick with PC...... :P
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Ok, there are quite a few things though that you're conveniently leaving out.
First let's talk about your pricing. You, as well as the majority of mac-haters, pick a top of the line mac with all the bells and whistles, and then compare it to a pc with only a few of them. I have no problem admitting that macs cost more than a similar pc in some cases, but often when people say they're more expensive, they're talking more like $100 more expensive, instead of $500-$1000 more expensive.
Second, let's talk about video and music editing. I completely agree with you on pro tools being the industry standard, and while it's not mac specific, the mac version runs a lot better. I can tell you this from experience, and I can also tell you that I have friends in the music industry, and they prefer protools on their macs over protools on a pc anyday.
Third, don't say "mac usres will tell you it's mac only," that's complete speculation and nonsense.
I completely agree with you that someone who wants to do serious media editing probably isn't going to be using a laptop (AS THEIR PRIMARY COMPUTER). A lot of video editors use a macbook pro as their on the go solution for video editing, and stack that up with a laptop pc with avid, I'll take the mbp anyday.
Last, saying that an operating system is only as good as the person using it is true in certain respects, but completely false in others.
First of all, if we were all gurus with an unlimited amount of time on our hands, we'd probably be using linux (or unix). This way we could do everything however we wanted, fix anything we wanted, etc. However, because it makes no sense whatsoever to have to be using a command line for the majority of everyday tasks, we use OS's with a decent GUI. Whether it's windows, mac os, or some flavor of simplified linux, it simply makes more sense (and saves more time) to use a gui.
If you'll actually re-read my post, you'll see that I didn't say mac's are better than windows, you'll see that I was simply arguing that a mac is not overpriced compared to a pc. I, personally, prefer mac's OS over windows, but I didn't even argue that windows was useless or that mac's OS should be used by everyone. In fact, I went out of my way to state that "I am not trying to argue that this means everyone should buy the $1099 macbook over a $512 windows laptop."
I would also like to mention that there's a big difference between a creative professional, who's going to be using avid or final cut pro, and someone who just likes making movies on their own, using... say Pinnacle or iMovie.
There is also a big difference between someone who wants to use something like protools or logic and someone who just wants something simple like GarageBand.
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First let's talk about your pricing. You, as well as the majority of mac-haters, pick a top of the line mac with all the bells and whistles, and then compare it to a pc with only a few of them. I have no problem admitting that macs cost more than a similar pc in some cases, but often when people say they're more expensive, they're talking more like $100 more expensive, instead of $500-$1000 more expensive.
The pc I spec'd out was a custom build with the same specs that the mac counterpart had. The difference $4000.
Second, let's talk about video and music editing. I completely agree with you on pro tools being the industry standard, and while it's not mac specific, the mac version runs a lot better. I can tell you this from experience, and I can also tell you that I have friends in the music industry, and they prefer protools on their macs over protools on a pc anyday.
When you used the pc version of protools, was it on a pc with as good of specs as the mac? what were the differences? what makes it run a lot better?
Third, don't say "mac usres will tell you it's mac only," that's complete speculation and nonsense.
ok, you're right. It's complete speculation. Most of the mac users I've talked to try to say that the best editing tools are mac specific. Is that better?
Last, saying that an operating system is only as good as the person using it is true in certain respects, but completely false in others.
First of all, if we were all gurus with an unlimited amount of time on our hands, we'd probably be using linux (or unix). This way we could do everything however we wanted, fix anything we wanted, etc. However, because it makes no sense whatsoever to have to be using a command line for the majority of everyday tasks, we use OS's with a decent GUI. Whether it's windows, mac os, or some flavor of simplified linux, it simply makes more sense (and saves more time) to use a gui.
Okay, so how is my statement false?
If you'll actually re-read my post, you'll see that I didn't say mac's are better than windows, you'll see that I was simply arguing that a mac is not overpriced compared to a pc. I, personally, prefer mac's OS over windows, but I didn't even argue that windows was useless or that mac's OS should be used by everyone. In fact, I went out of my way to state that "I am not trying to argue that this means everyone should buy the $1099 macbook over a $512 windows laptop."
I would also like to mention that there's a big difference between a creative professional, who's going to be using avid or final cut pro, and someone who just likes making movies on their own, using... say Pinnacle or iMovie.
There is also a big difference between someone who wants to use something like protools or logic and someone who just wants something simple like GarageBand.
If you're re-read my post, I didn't say windows was better. I did say they were more expensive (which they are). I did insinuate that many mac users believe that mac is better and then went on to rebut that claim.
If you personally prefer mac osx, more power to you. Use what you like. If you like linux, use that... Amiga? Great.... use it! I wish I had the money to buy a mac just so I could know how to use it. I'm a hacker, not some mac, windows or linux fanboy.
In my eye, the things that make mac better are the fact that they only use high quality hardware components and that they have a smaller market share, making them less targeted by hackers.
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The pc I spec'd out was a custom build with the same specs that the mac counterpart had. The difference $4000.
You could find that in favor of mac or of pc, depending on when you do it, and what type of computer you're looking for. For instance, here's on article supporting the fact that what you believe to be the case is not always true: http://www.macworld.com/article/52381/2006/08/macproprice.html (http://www.macworld.com/article/52381/2006/08/macproprice.html)
When you used the pc version of protools, was it on a pc with as good of specs as the mac? what were the differences? what makes it run a lot better?
Yes, the PC had as good of hardware specs as the macs, and in some cases, better. When you ask "what makes it run a lot better?," there's a lot involved. First of all, I can't go through each line of code on protools on both pc and mac and compare them to tell you where they are better or worse. However, I do have a few theories.
First of all, macs and pc's handle physical ram differently. Windows has been known to have issues releasing ram that was previously used by an open application. While the third party developers should be responsible for making sure their applications release ram after the application is closed, Microsoft should be responsible for making sure there is a way to fix it if the 3rd parties don't do that correctly.
A lot of tests have been done for software on mac os x versus windows xp/vista. The nice thing for us in these tests is that, now, intel macs can run windows natively, so they're the perfect machine to do the tests on (exact same hardware, different os's).
here's on example of CS3 under those exact conditions:http://hansv.com/cs3/ (http://hansv.com/cs3/)
ok, you're right. It's complete speculation. Most of the mac users I've talked to try to say that the best editing tools are mac specific. Is that better?
I do appreciate that concession, but I'm a little confused as to what your point is here. In your original post, you were saying that all mac users say that protools is mac only, but here you're saying that they say "the best editing tools are mac specific." Which one is it?
Okay, so how is my statement false?
Here's where I see your statement as false. The majority of tasks that people do on an operating system with a user-friendly GUI like Windows or OS X don't rely much on the user's computer abilities.
Let me give you an example. Let's say we have someone who is really proficient in Adobe's Design Suite CS3 on both windows and os x, we'll call her Marcia. Let's also say that Marcia has two Mac Pros with the exact same specs. One Mac Pro is running Windows XP or Vista, you can choose that. The other is running Mac's OS X (10.4 or 10.5, your choice again). Now, if Marcia does tries the exact same task on the Windows machine during her 9 hour day at work, then does the exact same thing on the Mac, a difference will be seen. Why? Because the operating systems as well as the copies of CS3 are written differently. Both use different programming languages and have different people working on them (although it probably overlaps for the CS3 developing team).
So, in this case, whether it be mac or pc, I'm only saying that the time taken to do the same task, by the same computer-proficient person, will be different. Therefore, in a case like this, the OS is not only as good as the person using it, but in fact, as good as the person who wrote it (since the hardware is exactly the same).
You might think that this is a pretty secluded test, but if you think about it.. this principle is true and can be applied to all OS's, be it Linux, OS X, or Windows.
If you're re-read my post, I didn't say windows was better. I did say they were more expensive (which they are). I did insinuate that many mac users believe that mac is better and then went on to rebut that claim.
I didn't say in my post that you had claimed windows was better. I only said that I wasn't claiming mac's os was better.
If you personally prefer mac osx, more power to you. Use what you like. If you like linux, use that... Amiga? Great.... use it! I wish I had the money to buy a mac just so I could know how to use it. I'm a hacker, not some mac, windows or linux fanboy.
In my eye, the things that make mac better are the fact that they only use high quality hardware components and that they have a smaller market share, making them less targeted by hackers.
I completely agree with you on personal preference. However, I disagree with you on the price issue.
Here's a couple of articles, both old and new, that show that it really does depend on what type of computer you're looking at. Some of them also show that a pc with the same specs can actually cost more than a mac, even if you disregard the free software apple includes.
http://www.macobserver.com/stockwatch/2006/05/16.2.shtml (http://www.macobserver.com/stockwatch/2006/05/16.2.shtml)
http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2006/0809_dt3200.html (http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2006/0809_dt3200.html)
not so great argument, but argues for the lower-end computers: http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2004/05/mac_vs_pc_a_small_cost_compari.html (http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2004/05/mac_vs_pc_a_small_cost_compari.html)
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=macintosh_os&articleId=9023959&taxonomyId=123&intsrc=kc_feat (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=macintosh_os&articleId=9023959&taxonomyId=123&intsrc=kc_feat)
http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2007/0927_dt1300.html (http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2007/0927_dt1300.html)
http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/laptop/2007/0605_lt2800.html (http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/laptop/2007/0605_lt2800.html)
http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/laptop/2007/0515_lt1100.html (http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/laptop/2007/0515_lt1100.html)
I should add here that I am not saying mac will always beat pc prices. In fact, here's an article showing an example of a pc that does beat a mac (for laptop pricing)
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-9.html?tag=btn (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-9.html?tag=btn)
I do think, though, that there are reasons why (in cases like this) that the mac costs more. For one, this article is comparing an acer to it, which I wouldn't even wish my worst enemy to use. When I used to sell computers (2 years ago, and mainly windows machines) I wouldn't ever have recommended an acer.
That all being said, I would like to state that I am in no way attempting to argue with you in a demeaning manner, or to appear as a fanboy or something of that likeness.
Instead, I wish to level the playing field a bit by showing that the issues really depend on what you're looking for. I also wish to show those who (like me 2 years ago) have never really done much on a mac that it really is a powerful operating system. I hope that in doing that I have not insulted or offended you in any way, shape, or form.
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The main problem with Apple Computers?
The attitude of their die-hard users.
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haha. I will agree that there are definitely those out there who have some really bad attitudes, but can't that be said for die-hard windows users, and die-hard linux users?
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I've met about as many linux users as I have mac users.
Linux users are generally really excited about how much more advanced linux is than other oses, but understand the functionality and mandated use of windows. They don't push linux on other people but if asked, will explain that most windows tools are available on linux and it is a viable alternative if one can overcome a slight learning curve.
Mac users on the other hand generally have an elitist attitude. If someone brings up the topic of windows XP or Vista, they tend to address right away that they are very happy with their mac, would never touch a windows box again and if you were to so much as hint at windows being a good os, all *censored* will break loose.
Windows users are generally upset with windows and wish Microsoft would get off their butts and fix all the bugs. When asked about their computer experiences, many will talk about how slow their internet is and call the monitor the cpu. (The slowness can usually be ascribed to the fact they download and install every game, screensaver, and pretty greeting card program that pops up on their screen.)
Of course there are some that break these generalizations, but as I already addressed, these are, as I have experienced, common attitudes in each camp.
BTW, did you know that in 2007, Leopard had more bug fixes than XP and Vista combined.... :-X
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oh, and could you edit the last long post and replace the links with tinyurls (www.tinyurl.com) so the page doesn't stretch out so much. ;)
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I've met about as many linux users as I have mac users.
Linux users are generally really excited about how much more advanced linux is than other oses, but understand the functionality and mandated use of windows. They don't push linux on other people but if asked, will explain that most windows tools are available on linux and it is a viable alternative if one can overcome a slight learning curve.
Mac users on the other hand generally have an elitist attitude. If someone brings up the topic of windows XP or Vista, they tend to address right away that they are very happy with their mac, would never touch a windows box again and if you were to so much as hint at windows being a good os, all h**l will break loose.
Windows users are generally upset with windows and wish Microsoft would get off their butts and fix all the bugs. When asked about their computer experiences, many will talk about how slow their internet is and call the monitor the cpu. (The slowness can usually be ascribed to the fact they download and install every game, screensaver, and pretty greeting card program that pops up on their screen.)
Of course there are some that break these generalizations, but as I already addressed, these are, as I have experienced, common attitudes in each camp.
While I'll agree that there are definitely those in each of those camps with said attitudes, I in no way can agree with making generalizations about any set of people.
I'd like to see your source on that.
There are a few things I'd like to note here that sound flawed with that statement.
First of all, check out my topic I'd already brought up about the leopard bugs: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,50537.msg327406.html#msg327406 (http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,50537.msg327406.html#msg327406)
Second, Apple never announced how many "bugs" Leopard had on release date, but it was estimated at around 100. Vista, as you can see in my other topic, had over 20,000. Now, we can get into the argument of what exactly "bugs" are, but you'll find that the so-called bugs in Leopard were not major security flaws, and in fact a mix of various small operating issues (the way the GUI worked) and small to moderate security risks. Vista's 20,000 bugs were in no way all major security risks, and the majority of those were most likely very small issues, but issues nonetheless.
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The article you linked in the other thread was from 2006... when vista was still in beta!
Vista was released to manufacturing Nov. 2006 and to general public Jan. 30, 2007 (http://tinyurl.com/y4zcwd)
My source: More Mac Vulnerabilities Than Windows In 2007? (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/18/170241) (notice the date on my linked article is from 3 months ago, not 1.5 years ago. ;)
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I know you're not quite that stupid, to actually think there aren't a number of new articles about vista's numerous issues.
I posted them on the "leopard bugs" topic, so I'll let that go here...
What I'm a little disappointed about, however, is that you act as if you really haven't heard of vista's issues. I work in a corporate IT environment, and I hear from everyone in my IT department, as well as clients and colleagues in other businesses swearing off of vista until issues are fixed.
I just want to briefly comment on your article about there being more mac vulnerabilities than windows in 2007. I think this should be taken into the leopard bugs topic, but that's ok.
I've already argued that there are a lot of things to consider, regarding this topic, as to whether you'd buy a $1099 mac or a $1099 windows pc.
As far as the vulnerabilities in mac go, did you take a look at the issues? Almost all of the vulnerabilities were simple browser hacks, not able to do much of anything on the mac. Regardless, this has been taken care of already with the release of 10.5.2
Have you ever used Tiger or Leopard for more than a day?
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die-hard windows users
Really???
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die-hard windows users
Really???
Good point ;D
Caught me there. :-X
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This topic is going a bit far... hopefully it will keep a somewhat neutral tone. Realize when I wrote it, I didnt think it would get this big, it was a plain and simple rant.
The idea of this topic, "Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-" was about the idea of overpriced computers.
Now, considering this:
I have a 1.73GHz CoreDuo processor, Windows Vista, it came with 1GB of RAM, nVidia GeForce 7300 graphics card, and a 120GB HDD. The price, without tax, was $948.
I consider this a reasonable price for what it can do.
My problem with the Mac system has always been lack of user customization. Buying used laptops can tend to be a bad idea, due to how they will ware. The lowest priced MacBook at the time this post was created as $1049. This laptop, which, does more than your normal use, can have the MacOS installed on it. (Sure, legal awareness is questionable, but, the simple fact, it can)
This laptop is using quite a bit of free software, which is my second problem with the Mac OS. Its hard to find good software for the Mac OS. Go to the store, (not an Apple store, a regular store like Best Buy, or Fred Meyers) and take a look at what is available in their software section.
Second, you have two versions of the MacBook. You dont have 100.
When you have different computer companies trying to give the lowest priced PC, you get interesting prices. I think that some of what the articles you provided are unfair in the aspect that they were only based off one company. There should be various comparisons of different major computer manufacturers.
As for what the Apple OS can do, I disagree that it does more than the Windows OS can do. They are quite equal in the software that they come with. They all have a browser, email, music (as of OS 10), photo viewing, video viewing (as of OS 10), movie editing (as of OS X), and they can all get viruses as well as have security issues.
(when I mention "as of OS X", I mean, out of the box support)
As for PC vs. Macintosh iMac, I think that the same thing happens. You get limited to what you can choose with Apple, as well as what you can customize.
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This topic is going a bit far... hopefully it will keep a somewhat neutral tone. Realize when I wrote it, I didnt think it would get this big, it was a plain and simple rant.
I think it has maintained it's neutral tone, just some polite discussion about some items. ;D
The idea of this topic, "Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-" was about the idea of overpriced computers.
I agree, and that's what I'd like to keep the topic as... it went a bit off, so let's bring it back.
Now, considering this:
I have a 1.73GHz CoreDuo processor, Windows Vista, it came with 1GB of RAM, nVidia GeForce 7300 graphics card, and a 120GB HDD. The price, without tax, was $948.
I consider this a reasonable price for what it can do.
That is a reasonable price. When did you purchase it? If it was somewhat recently, the macbook ($1099, or $1049 with student discount) has a core 2 duo processor, 1 gig of ram, a 120 gb hd, but lacks in the video card area for what you've got.
My problem with the Mac system has always been lack of user customization. Buying used laptops can tend to be a bad idea, due to how they will ware. The lowest priced MacBook at the time this post was created as $1049. This laptop, which, does more than your normal use, can have the MacOS installed on it. (Sure, legal awareness is questionable, but, the simple fact, it can)
I've setup mac's os on a pc before, and honestly, it's more work than it's worth... patching it and such.
This laptop is using quite a bit of free software, which is my second problem with the Mac OS. Its hard to find good software for the Mac OS. Go to the store, (not an Apple store, a regular store like Best Buy, or Fred Meyers) and take a look at what is available in their software section.
One thing though that I believe to be a common misconception is that quantity is better than quality when it comes to computer software. Just because there is a much larger base of software to choose from for windows doesn't mean that you can't find a program to do what you want on the Mac. I will agree that if you walk into a retail store like best buy, circuit city, etc... that they're apple section is either tiny or non-existent (best buy is changing that now... but that's beside the point).
However, I purchased my mac 2 years ago, and I've found every program that I need for it for free, as a download, online, with the exception of 2 items:
Microsoft Office (for school) and
Roxio Toast (for burning cds/dvds)
I use GIMP (A free photo editing program for windows/mac/linux), Cyberduck (a nice ftp program), Acquisition (for finding hard to find p2p files), adium (for all instant messaging), VLC (for video playing ... also on mac and linux), Bitpim (for moving music/photos/etc back and forth between my computer and my cell phone), Cashbox (a personal financing program, similar to quicken), Chicken of the VNC (for VNC, enough said), Firefox (enough said), Google Notifier (for email, calendar, etc.), Handbrake (for backing up my dvds to my iPod), MacOSaiX (for making awesome mosaics that can be printed at a photo shop), Mac the ripper (for backing up dvd's to my hard drive), Silverkeeper (for making backups of my hard drive), Taco HTML edit (for making websites), and Tiler (for poster prints), among others.
This is only a list of the software I use most frequently, and this doesn't even include the free iLife suite or the tools built into OS X, like grab, iCal, and spotlight (amazing feature).
I guess my point is that the argument really shouldn't be made unless you have used a mac and have had issues finding software for it. I myself, in 2 years, have had no problems... and that was making an abrupt change from using solely Windows/Linux for 15 years to using solely Mac (at home).
Second, you have two versions of the MacBook. You dont have 100.
When you have different computer companies trying to give the lowest priced PC, you get interesting prices. I think that some of what the articles you provided are unfair in the aspect that they were only based off one company. There should be various comparisons of different major computer manufacturers.
Actually, I only included a bunch from the same company because they did a good job of comparing the options at various price points. I also included links to other websites.
There's one more point that needs to be made, though. The windows laptop that you purchased was only $50 less than the macbook at the time (before tax). I will give you that your laptop has the better video card, but the macbook has/had a much better processor. I myself would go for the better processor. However, if you don't agree, think about what's included.
The macbook would have come with iLife (which, while only costing $79 if you don't purchase a computer, would cost much more to find similarly on windows).
The macbook also would have come with bluetooth, wireless N, a remote, and a built-in camera. I'm guessing yours came with wireless, but not N, no remote, no camera, and maybe bluetooth.
As for what the Apple OS can do, I disagree that it does more than the Windows OS can do. They are quite equal in the software that they come with. They all have a browser, email, music (as of OS 10), photo viewing, video viewing (as of OS 10), movie editing (as of OS X), and they can all get viruses as well as have security issues.
(when I mention "as of OS X", I mean, out of the box support)
This is where you can really tell whether or not someone has actually used OS X for an extended period of time.
First of all, Windows Movie Maker is the worst video editing program I've ever used. iMovie, while not being a professional video editing application, is more than sufficient for making your everyday video for home movies/school/etc.
As far as browsers go, I really don't even consider that, since you can download the browser of your choice for free anyway (and I use firefox the majority of the time anyway)
For email, Windows comes with "Outlook Express," which isn't bad... but lacks in many areas.
Mac comes with "Mail," which allows you to do much more than outlook express. With mail you can quickly search all emails (and contents of emails) using spotlight (built into the OS and into mail), which saves a lot of time. You can also group emails regarding the same topic into conversations, much like gmail does. Mail is also integrated very well into the various other OS X apps, such as photo booth, iPhoto, iMovie, etc, in that all you have to do in most cases is click one button to email what you are working on through Mail.
For photo viewing, I'm not sure which programs you're coming. If you're talking of "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer," you've obviously never used iPhoto. Windows picture and fax viewer offers no way to organize your photos, or do anything other than very basic editing.
iPhoto offers a great way to organize your photos as well as the basic editing features, and also allows you to get creative with your photos. I'm talking about creating cards, photo books, calendars, and slideshows.
And as far as viruses go, while it's true that they are both capable of getting them, it's ridiculously rare to find one on a Mac. I haven't used antivirus on my mac in 2 years, and have had no problems. I also used to work at an Apple store and saw maybe 2 or 3 people that had viruses (in the course of over a year). I should also mention that the viruses they had were simple macro viruses that could only operate in Microsoft Office and damage your program/files there.
However, there are a lot of things that I think about on OS X that just save a lot of time versus windows. The biggest of all is spotlight. For those of you unfamiliar with it, it's like your windows search, except it actually finds things quickly, and is even able to search within files. At work, every day, I hear people asking others where a certain document is stored on how to fix some issue. Our folder system is a mess. However, if we had spotlight, it wouldn't matter. You just click on the magnifying glass, type in any word, and it finds files with that word contained in them... not just in the title. [/rant]
As for PC vs. Macintosh iMac, I think that the same thing happens. You get limited to what you can choose with Apple, as well as what you can customize.
I'm a little confused by what you mean here. Are we just talking about iMacs, or are we talking about all pc's... and what's the argument here?
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die-hard windows users
Really???
Good point ;D
Caught me there. :-X
I do believe that's:
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die-hard windows users
Really???
Good point ;D
Caught me there. :-X
I do believe that's:
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back to the main point... what Zylstra had brought up. The pricing issue.
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Not to go off topic again, but I'm glad we have someone manning the Apple section now. It used to be that whenever someone would come here with a mac question, we'd just say, "I dunno", or ignore the question completely. :P
Don't be too offended if we continue to harass you though with this thread. I've already committed to resurrecting this topic every so often.
I will make a commitment to revive this topic every month or so, so long as another will reply to whatever I post. :P
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haha. I appreciate that Michael. I love this forum and wanted to contribute my two cents. I know the back and forth is all fun and games, so I don't take any of it personally. I just enjoy being able to contribute.
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Windows Movie Maker vs. iMovie
Honestly, the debate kind of runs dry... they both work "fine", the only thing I have noticed in iMovie is more effects.
(Also, you might check out what Vista has for DVD creation and some of the changes in Movie Maker)
The video card that is in my laptop cost about $130 when it was new. I bought this laptop in March of 2007, and its held up quite well. Its actually pre-Vista era, and wasn't truly designed for Vista (as the sticker oh so clearly states...)
I dont recall Macs having a better processor at the time I got this one, do you know what type it was?
As for searching, a new Vista feature has introduced a very quick way to search your hard drive. I havent used Spotlight yet, as no Mac I have used had that feature enabled.
As for searching emails, though you could not so easily use Windows Search in XP to search emails, you could use Outlook Express for searching emails, and its definitely not a slow process.
Its my understanding, however, that in order to use Garage Band, iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto, you need iLife. Its my opinion that these should come with the operating system. (Its also my opinion that operating systems should come with a basic office suit, but, I will have to wait on that one..)
I would like to see the Apple company release the Apple Macintosh OS version 10 for PC, and also to see Apple, as a result of this, start to support drivers.
"As for PC vs. Macintosh iMac, I think that the same thing happens. You get limited to what you can choose with Apple, as well as what you can customize."
I think what I meant (since, I honestly dont recall typing half of this) was that also with the iMac system, you get limited to what you can buy as well as how you customize it.
And we thought Microsoft had a monopoly...
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die-hard windows users
Really???
Good point ;D
Caught me there. :-X
I do believe that's:
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back to the main point... what Zylstra had brought up. The pricing issue.
Urgh.
Just build one! Now they use Intel chip sets, Macs are just tweaked PC's.
Get your geek on an make a Hackintosh. Just put an Apple sticker on the machine, and it's an "Apple-labeled computer", and therefore the EULA is still valid.
Loop-holes, got's to love 'em.
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die-hard windows users
Really???
Good point ;D
Caught me there. :-X
I do believe that's:
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back to the main point... what Zylstra had brought up. The pricing issue.
Urgh.
Just build one! Now they use Intel chip sets, Macs are just tweaked PC's.
Get your geek on an make a Hackintosh. Just put an Apple sticker on the machine, and it's an "Apple-labeled computer", and therefore the EULA is still valid.
Loop-holes, got's to love 'em.
I've done it. It's a lot of fiddling around that, IMHO, isn't worth it.
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Windows Movie Maker vs. iMovie
Honestly, the debate kind of runs dry... they both work "fine", the only thing I have noticed in iMovie is more effects.
(Also, you might check out what Vista has for DVD creation and some of the changes in Movie Maker)
I haven't had much chance to play with vista's movie maker (I did quite a bit with XP's), but I can tell you that XP's movie maker didn't come close to iMovie... even if you look at the earlier versions.
The video card that is in my laptop cost about $130 when it was new. I bought this laptop in March of 2007, and its held up quite well. Its actually pre-Vista era, and wasn't truly designed for Vista (as the sticker oh so clearly states...)
I dont recall Macs having a better processor at the time I got this one, do you know what type it was?
I don't know off-hand for sure, but I believe that was right when the first macbooks came out, so it would've been (I believe) a 1.6 ghz Intel Core Duo.
As for searching, a new Vista feature has introduced a very quick way to search your hard drive. I havent used Spotlight yet, as no Mac I have used had that feature enabled.
As for searching emails, though you could not so easily use Windows Search in XP to search emails, you could use Outlook Express for searching emails, and its definitely not a slow process.
I think our problem here is that you haven't even used 10.4 or newer (all which have spotlight enabled). Once you use spotlight, you'll laugh at how slow windows search is. I have used the search in outlook express for searching emails, and it definitely is a slow process when compared to spotlight.
Its my understanding, however, that in order to use Garage Band, iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto, you need iLife. Its my opinion that these should come with the operating system. (Its also my opinion that operating systems should come with a basic office suit, but, I will have to wait on that one..)
Actually, any new mac comes with the newest iLife suite for free. It's just that if you were purchasing an upgrade to the OS (say going from Tiger to Leopard), you wouldn't get the free iLife upgrade with it.
Also, the reason why Microsoft doesn't include office with windows is due to anti-monopoly laws... they were forced into it a while back. However, Microsoft was not forced at that time to price Office as high as they have.
I would like to see the Apple company release the Apple Macintosh OS version 10 for PC, and also to see Apple, as a result of this, start to support drivers.
I doubt it'll happen, but one can dream, right?
"As for PC vs. Macintosh iMac, I think that the same thing happens. You get limited to what you can choose with Apple, as well as what you can customize."
I think what I meant (since, I honestly dont recall typing half of this) was that also with the iMac system, you get limited to what you can buy as well as how you customize it.
And we thought Microsoft had a monopoly...
With any hardware manufacturer, you are limited to what you can customize. With the iMac, just like a Dell, HP, Sony, etc... you are only able to customize so much when purchasing from a computer manufacturer. The only way you can truly be fully customizable is building your own computer.
As far as the monopoly... I'm not sure what you're referring to there. I don't know if you're trying to say that Apple doesn't let you customize as much and therefore has a monopoly (which doesn't make sense).....
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I have to say, that Windows wins by a mile in terms of compatibility. Just go to a computer store, and check the compatibility of software.
So Mac is now the thinest laptop in the world, so WHAT? That doesn't make it any faster, good looking, or less buggier than it ever was.
Here's what Mac should be using for their ads:
PC-vs-Mac2 (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:PC-vs-Mac2.gif)
GIF Image, 619 × 471 pixel, 1MB
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I have to say, that Windows wins by a mile in terms of compatibility. Just go to a computer store, and check the compatibility of software.
You're not talking about compatibility, you're talking about the quantity of software choices. We've already discussed that, and I already stated that, while windows has a much larger selection of software, that doesn't necessarily mean that the software is better.
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at school the macs smell kinda funny lol and sometimes they freeze and i get the spinning color wheel of death and it wont work also one time i was using one and i was uninstalling a firefox addon and the screen just went black! white light was still on indicating it was on but the screen just broke!
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at school the macs smell kinda funny lol and sometimes they freeze and i get the spinning color wheel of death and it wont work also one time i was using one and i was uninstalling a firefox addon and the screen just went black! white light was still on indicating it was on but the screen just broke!
DEAR LORD!
Why are we bringing this topic back? Last reply was March 4th.
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i didnt notice that but you just put this link in some other topic lol and i was bored
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i didnt notice that but you just put this link in some other topic lol and i was bored
And, next to that link, didnt it say:
"Please dont reply to this topic"?
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it did?
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This is yet another classic case of someone trying to boost their postcount, despite how absolutely pointless it is.
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i honeslty dont care about my posts or trying to boost them anyways
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dangit, I wanted to be the one to revive this old post....
I will make a commitment to revive this topic every month or so, so long as another will reply to whatever I post. :P
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Not to be a complete smartass because im new here but, why is this the only thing happening in the apple forum? Would it be that apple users arent having trouble with their macs?
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It's because no one uses macs..... ::)
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Not to be a complete smartass because im new here but, why is this the only thing happening in the apple forum? Would it be that apple users arent having trouble with their macs?
It's because no one uses macs..... ::)
Extremely true.
Apple problems have picked up in here as Apple has released more updates though.
I do say this again:
Before you dis an operating system, try it out for two weeks and use it in place of your usual computer.
I have used Mac OS 8.6, 9.0, and 10 (OS X), all for extended periods of time, and continue to find so many horrible flaws, most of which are already mentioned in this post.
I have used Linux as well, I like how well it works for servers, I dont like its function as a desktop computer.
Windows just seems to work. It does everything I want it to do, and has all the programs I could ever want to use.
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and besides. Macs have less power for the money. i could get and equally fast Dell computer for at least $300 less
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i could make a FASTER computer for $300 less lol i think
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agreed ;D
but Macs have good software, IMovie for example.
thats about the only reason i like Macs
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I like macs because they're a great, if not pricey, option for holding down papers on a desk- a "paperweight" if you will. It looks stylish while I perform meaningful tasks on my 386.
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i also like macs becuase they are a very expenisve boat anchor they make very very good boat anchors
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If there's one thing more annoying than Mac fanboys, it would have to be Mac haters.... ::)
Mac OS X is a fine operating system, just like XP, Vista, Ubuntu, SuSE, etc. Problems don't usually arise from the operating system but from PEBCAK issues.
If you get the most done or are most creative with a Mac, then use that. If it's a BeOS box, then use that. If you like using a blackberry to do all your video editing...... Well, I guess we have to draw a line somewhere don't we? As for me, I love using Vista for all my IT work. Most everything I use on a regular basis is much simpler and easier to use and easier to find than it's predecessors. I'd also love it if someone would just give me a mac, just so I can learn another operating system and add it to my resume. It looks like a fun OS. :)
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lol. I don't hate macs, I haven't used them since the pre-X days- 8.6 I believe.
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Does iMovie come with Mac now, or do you still have to buy that separate?
Half my Mac problems would be gone if they would just let you install it on a PC.
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Imovie used to be separate?
I remember using it on my uncles original iMac. Don't think he paid extra for it-
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iMovie (AFIK) was never seperate. The newest version always comes with the computer you purchase. The only time you need to purchase it is if a newer version comes out.
Plus, iMovie (with the whole iLife suite) is only $79, versus any decent movie editing program on a PC costing $99 (or more... Pinnacle).
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I would also like to mention that I'm very much open for an honest discussion between Mac and Windows machines.
I'm not going to get into an argument of childish "windows sucks" "mac sucks," however.
Honestly, they both have their strong points and I think that should be acknowledged (as well as Linux).
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lets look at the pros
Linux: Great Server OS's
Windows: Great variety of software and great workhorse
Macs: Great for multimedia(Photo, Music, and Video)
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lets look at the pros
Linux: Great Server OS's
Windows: Great variety of software and great workhorse
Macs: Great for multimedia(Photo, Music, and Video)
Most of those qualities can be attributed to the rest of the OSes listed....
Linux can really only be used as a web server, linux domain or application server, or database server. If you want a windows domain, linux just doesn't cut it. It also is a great workhorse and can be great for multimedia. But it doesn't have the wealth of software that windows developers have created.
Windows Makes an excellent server of any kind: web, database, print, domain controller, Apps, terminal services, etc. It also is excellent for multimedia... (ever heard of Avid?) It definitely takes the cake though in number of compatible software.
Mac also can be a great server with XServe and also Apache and MySQL run on it so it can be a great web server. It's a big workhorse with premium hardware as a requirement... you can't get slower hardware like you can with dell or custom builds. Also excellent with multimedia. There is probably close to an equal amount of Mac software as there is linux software.
You can find out the pros and cons of any operating system by asking yourself one question: how familiar are you with it and the software that runs on it? If you don't know the software, you're not going to think it's that good.
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You can find out the pros and cons of any operating system by asking yourself one question: how familiar are you with it and the software that runs on it? If you don't know the software, you're not going to think it's that good.
Exactly. It's really a "fear of the unknown"; or, in some cases, a dislike for that which one can't afford. (not macs in particular- Vista isn't exactly cheap, and god knows how much Windows 7 will cost...) that's the nice thing about Mac computers- they all come with essentially the same OS- you won't find macbooks marked up because their running "Mac OS Ultimate". All the system software (AFAIK) is essentially the same. Given, it can be because of control over the hardware it runs on, but that doesn't shrug it off completely.
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i have a windows 7 beta on my desktop that i want to run but i cant cause i have no hdd space grrr im genna buy a 500gb hdd
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http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB576Z/A
$129 for OSX, $99 now for Vista Home 32 or 64 bit, and really, if you look at it, besides iMovie, they really do have many similar features.
I've always felt passionate about being able to have customizable hardware, I want to upgrade when I want, and I want the initial hardware I want.
Personally, I believe in building PC's, despite a bit of a more difficult warranty... I could care less about the lack of hopeless support by people who you cant even understand.
You know, I was just using a Mac again today. The dock kept hiding itself, I couldent find it, I found myself scrolling and clicking to all sides of the screen trying to figure out where it went. I needed the trash bin. For some reason, OSX still has Internet Explorer in it... a rather horrible old version. They ought to have just built their own browser that decently supports plugins, not sure how great the Safari plugin support is right now.
I was trying to install FireFox, since the Macs primary purpose is media streamed from the Internet. For some reason, FireFox wouldent even launch. I was told that the Mac was having quite a few problems... we need to find the discs for it and do a complete operating system reinstall, that, or stick Ubuntu on it. (We have... oh, a total of three newer Macs in the school. Only one of them is used as a somewhat primary computer, and mainly for sound recording, which, it doesnt do extremely well. It wont play a song that is entirely MIDI tracks (about eight tracks of MIDI) since it needs more "system optimization"... still trying to figure that one out.
And the run horribly slow when they start to get higher up on the disk space usage... moreso than a fragmented PC. Not to mention, the filesystem actually stores information (not sure if they fixed this since OS9) in a way that causes data to go corrupt if it goes too long without a reformat. (Read this in a Macintosh book, by a Mac person)
I do love how obsessive some people let themselves get about this particular issue... it ends up turning into some sort of racism for some people. Cant hang out with those Mac lovers!
I have a teacher who put it very well:
He likes both (and is really liking his new Vista laptop). If your still reading this, please do tell me, I would feel so much better about the time I put into this post, even being a fast typer. I seldom actually think about what I am witting on the forums, in fact, I am usually focusing on other things.
He agrees that Mac has its cons, and that Windows has its cons. Ultimately, there is no good operating system.
He uses the Mac for one purpose, that being video and sound recording/editing. iMovie and Garage Band, (both programs frequently crash). The Vista laptop that he has from the school, he does everything else on, specifically email. Both are almost always running, both are almost always being used when a computer activity is in progress.
Oh, and positive note of a Mac being that everything is in that dang hard box to get open? There are PC's like that. (Man, Macs are a PAIN to open. When I opened mine up, since the CD drive broke, I ended up with a bag of screws leftover, I never did figure out where they go. Makes a clunk when I pick it up, but, eh.)
I am now done with my rant, thanks, I know you didnt read it : P
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interesting.... there's a guy at my church that says his mac never crashes. Maybe he only surfs the web with it, although he says he does sound recording/editing with garage band. He's definitely one of those fanboys, though. He also thinks Monster Cables are worth the price..... ::)
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http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB576Z/A
$129 for OSX, $99 now for Vista Home 32 or 64 bit, and really, if you look at it, besides iMovie, they really do have many similar features.
You're right that they do have many similar features. However, you're talking about vista home (basic), which lacks many of the features found in the 6 or so other iterations of Vista.
I should also mention that Vista as an OS is more than just a little flaky. I use it quite a bit at work and it doesn't work well at all with 3rd party periphs, something that XP was great at. Let's also consider that a decent movie editing program similar to iMovie on a PC would double the price of your OS, and now you're back to the start.
I've always felt passionate about being able to have customizable hardware, I want to upgrade when I want, and I want the initial hardware I want.
Personally, I believe in building PC's, despite a bit of a more difficult warranty... I could care less about the lack of hopeless support by people who you cant even understand.
I think this is the strongest argument for PC. I think that most people who are thinking like this would typically lean towards a PC, and it makes sense. Apple's idea is to hand choose their hardware and software so that everything works together well. The pro is that you don't ever have to go driver searching for things for your mac. The con is that you can't purchase whatever hardware you want (depending on what type of hardware it is) and have it work like you would with PC.
You know, I was just using a Mac again today. The dock kept hiding itself, I couldent find it, I found myself scrolling and clicking to all sides of the screen trying to figure out where it went. I needed the trash bin. For some reason, OSX still has Internet Explorer in it... a rather horrible old version. They ought to have just built their own browser that decently supports plugins, not sure how great the Safari plugin support is right now.
I was trying to install FireFox, since the Macs primary purpose is media streamed from the Internet. For some reason, FireFox wouldent even launch. I was told that the Mac was having quite a few problems... we need to find the discs for it and do a complete operating system reinstall, that, or stick Ubuntu on it. (We have... oh, a total of three newer Macs in the school. Only one of them is used as a somewhat primary computer, and mainly for sound recording, which, it doesnt do extremely well. It wont play a song that is entirely MIDI tracks (about eight tracks of MIDI) since it needs more "system optimization"... still trying to figure that one out.
And the run horribly slow when they start to get higher up on the disk space usage... moreso than a fragmented PC. Not to mention, the filesystem actually stores information (not sure if they fixed this since OS9) in a way that causes data to go corrupt if it goes too long without a reformat. (Read this in a Macintosh book, by a Mac person)
This just goes to show that you're getting angry about the Mac OS simply because you don't know how to use it. FIrst of all, the Dock hiding isn't setup by default. Whoever used that computer before you would have had to set that up as their own personal preference. Guess what? The taskbar on windows can hide as well. If a mac user came up to a pc that had been set to hide the start menu, they may complain too.
Furthermore, if you're using a mac with internet explorer on it, it's really old. They stopped making internet explorer for mac a long time ago, and it won't even work properly on a new mac (unless you run it in windows on your new mac).
In regards to your browser woes, Firefox has worked fine on every mac I've ever used. You are probably trying to install a version of firefox that isn't compatible with your version of mac os. THis happens on PC too. You have to download the browser for whatever OS your are using, be it windows 98, 2000, xp, vista, mac os 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, etc.
Also, I've never had a problem with macs playing Midi's, and saying it needs more "system optimization" isn't even a mac os error message. It sounds to me like you're using some weird 3rd party program that you don't know how to use.
Regarding your last comment on the type of file system mac uses, it's definitely not the case with mac os X, which has been out, what... 5, 6 years now? Complaining about that is like me complaining that windows ME isn't working well for me.
The funniest part of that comment though is that Windows systems on Fat32 partitions actually have a similar issue where they slow down significantly once hard drive space gets low, where Mac doesn't have the problem when using a Mac Journaled HFS partition (The default for Mac os X).
I do love how obsessive some people let themselves get about this particular issue... it ends up turning into some sort of racism for some people. Cant hang out with those Mac lovers!
I agree that some people are like that, but honestly you're kinda being like that as a PC user. You're hard set against Macs when you've clearly shown you don't know how to operate them well. They're actually very easy to use and I've had to reboot my mac maybe once in 6 months due to it freezing, versus my pc having to be rebooted at least once a week due to freezing (that's on one of my fast machines).
I have a teacher who put it very well:
He likes both (and is really liking his new Vista laptop). If your still reading this, please do tell me, I would feel so much better about the time I put into this post, even being a fast typer. I seldom actually think about what I am witting on the forums, in fact, I am usually focusing on other things.
He agrees that Mac has its cons, and that Windows has its cons. Ultimately, there is no good operating system.
He uses the Mac for one purpose, that being video and sound recording/editing. iMovie and Garage Band, (both programs frequently crash). The Vista laptop that he has from the school, he does everything else on, specifically email. Both are almost always running, both are almost always being used when a computer activity is in progress.
If both programs are frequently crashing, shouldn't he get it looked at? I don't have problems with iMovie or GarageBand at all. This is like saying that you're getting the blue screen of death on your PC a lot and you aren't doing anything about it.
Oh, and positive note of a Mac being that everything is in that dang hard box to get open? There are PC's like that. (Man, Macs are a PAIN to open. When I opened mine up, since the CD drive broke, I ended up with a bag of screws leftover, I never did figure out where they go. Makes a clunk when I pick it up, but, eh.)
I am now done with my rant, thanks, I know you didnt read it : P
The bottom line is that both OS's have their good points. However, you've shown me that you are hard set against macs when you haven't taken the time to actually know what you're doing on them.
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I think macs are great for computer novices. Not because they are "preschool toys" of the computer world.
Years ago- my Grandmother and Uncle both bought a computer. my grandmother got a PC, (a "state-of-the-art"(at the time) pentium 2 of some sort) and my uncle got the bulky incarnation of the Imac (old melty). They were purchased within months of each other.
Now, at the time, me and my cousin were just young kids, around 10-13, (you know, the age where kids today get their third iphone ::)). in any case- within a month. we messed up the PC so bad somehow, so that is would only display in monochrome (2 color) regardless of what we did in the display properties. So I heard we needed to reformat. So I did- from a command prompt within windows.
And it followed that it refused to boot from the windows 98 CD.
Tell me- can a Mac possibly be made to randomly change the number of available colors to only be 2, or format the system disc within the OS? Not easily.
I might also add that my uncle still has and uses the imac- it's 10 years old, but still no problems... whereas the PC? it was thrown out for some reason. Apparently it was "broken".
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you can turn a mac black and white or negative lol
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you can turn a mac black and white or negative lol
"Black & white" & "grayscale" are two different things. The mac would also let you switch back.
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http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB576Z/A
$129 for OSX, $99 now for Vista Home 32 or 64 bit, and really, if you look at it, besides iMovie, they really do have many similar features.
You're right that they do have many similar features. However, you're talking about vista home (basic), which lacks many of the features found in the 6 or so other iterations of Vista.
I should also mention that Vista as an OS is more than just a little flaky. I use it quite a bit at work and it doesn't work well at all with 3rd party periphs, something that XP was great at. Let's also consider that a decent movie editing program similar to iMovie on a PC would double the price of your OS, and now you're back to the start.
I've always felt passionate about being able to have customizable hardware, I want to upgrade when I want, and I want the initial hardware I want.
Personally, I believe in building PC's, despite a bit of a more difficult warranty... I could care less about the lack of hopeless support by people who you cant even understand.
I think this is the strongest argument for PC. I think that most people who are thinking like this would typically lean towards a PC, and it makes sense. Apple's idea is to hand choose their hardware and software so that everything works together well. The pro is that you don't ever have to go driver searching for things for your mac. The con is that you can't purchase whatever hardware you want (depending on what type of hardware it is) and have it work like you would with PC.
Any good hardware should come with a driver CD. You should also realize, external hardware for a Mac requires drivers as well.
You know, I was just using a Mac again today. The dock kept hiding itself, I couldent find it, I found myself scrolling and clicking to all sides of the screen trying to figure out where it went. I needed the trash bin. For some reason, OSX still has Internet Explorer in it... a rather horrible old version. They ought to have just built their own browser that decently supports plugins, not sure how great the Safari plugin support is right now.
I was trying to install FireFox, since the Macs primary purpose is media streamed from the Internet. For some reason, FireFox wouldent even launch. I was told that the Mac was having quite a few problems... we need to find the discs for it and do a complete operating system reinstall, that, or stick Ubuntu on it. (We have... oh, a total of three newer Macs in the school. Only one of them is used as a somewhat primary computer, and mainly for sound recording, which, it doesnt do extremely well. It wont play a song that is entirely MIDI tracks (about eight tracks of MIDI) since it needs more "system optimization"... still trying to figure that one out.
And the run horribly slow when they start to get higher up on the disk space usage... moreso than a fragmented PC. Not to mention, the filesystem actually stores information (not sure if they fixed this since OS9) in a way that causes data to go corrupt if it goes too long without a reformat. (Read this in a Macintosh book, by a Mac person)
This just goes to show that you're getting angry about the Mac OS simply because you don't know how to use it. FIrst of all, the Dock hiding isn't setup by default. Whoever used that computer before you would have had to set that up as their own personal preference. Guess what? The taskbar on windows can hide as well. If a mac user came up to a pc that had been set to hide the start menu, they may complain too.
Furthermore, if you're using a mac with internet explorer on it, it's really old. They stopped making internet explorer for mac a long time ago, and it won't even work properly on a new mac (unless you run it in windows on your new mac).
In regards to your browser woes, Firefox has worked fine on every mac I've ever used. You are probably trying to install a version of firefox that isn't compatible with your version of mac os. THis happens on PC too. You have to download the browser for whatever OS your are using, be it windows 98, 2000, xp, vista, mac os 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, etc.
Also, I've never had a problem with macs playing Midi's, and saying it needs more "system optimization" isn't even a mac os error message. It sounds to me like you're using some weird 3rd party program that you don't know how to use.
Regarding your last comment on the type of file system mac uses, it's definitely not the case with mac os X, which has been out, what... 5, 6 years now? Complaining about that is like me complaining that windows ME isn't working well for me.
The funniest part of that comment though is that Windows systems on Fat32 partitions actually have a similar issue where they slow down significantly once hard drive space gets low, where Mac doesn't have the problem when using a Mac Journaled HFS partition (The default for Mac os X).
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Its an iMac, with OSX on it. It has Internet Explorer. It did not come with Safari...
About filesystems, its most likely that I must have read an out of date book then, I was unaware that they changed their filesystem.
"Also, I've never had a problem with macs playing Midi's, and saying it needs more "system optimization" isn't even a mac os error message. It sounds to me like you're using some weird 3rd party program that you don't know how to use."
It still appears though : )
Its Garage Band. The computer can not handle the tracks, we only use half the tracks an actual band would most likely use. It can barely handle MIDI with more than 5 tracks.
This disappoints me. In Preferences, the buffer size is increased to allow it to work.
As for FireFox: It is a correct version. And even more-so, if it weren't, wouldn't that show just as bad program compatibility as Vista is supposedly supposed to have? Its simply the OSX Version of FireFox. There is no sub-version.
I do love how obsessive some people let themselves get about this particular issue... it ends up turning into some sort of racism for some people. Cant hang out with those Mac lovers!
I agree that some people are like that, but honestly you're kinda being like that as a PC user. You're hard set against Macs when you've clearly shown you don't know how to operate them well. They're actually very easy to use and I've had to reboot my mac maybe once in 6 months due to it freezing, versus my pc having to be rebooted at least once a week due to freezing (that's on one of my fast machines).
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I am hard set against Macs, but, not their users : )
And, if I dont know how to operate them, doesnt that say its not so easy to get? (Now thats just purposeful contradiction on my side) But seriously, I have spent a majority of my time with Mac OS 9, and then a bit less with Mac OS 10. I own a "Grape" Mac with a "Blueberry" keyboard and mouse. I use OS X on school computers quite a bit.
I have a teacher who put it very well:
He likes both (and is really liking his new Vista laptop). If your still reading this, please do tell me, I would feel so much better about the time I put into this post, even being a fast typer. I seldom actually think about what I am witting on the forums, in fact, I am usually focusing on other things.
He agrees that Mac has its cons, and that Windows has its cons. Ultimately, there is no good operating system.
He uses the Mac for one purpose, that being video and sound recording/editing. iMovie and Garage Band, (both programs frequently crash). The Vista laptop that he has from the school, he does everything else on, specifically email. Both are almost always running, both are almost always being used when a computer activity is in progress.
If both programs are frequently crashing, shouldn't he get it looked at? I don't have problems with iMovie or GarageBand at all. This is like saying that you're getting the blue screen of death on your PC a lot and you aren't doing anything about it.
Costs too much to have a Mac "Looked At", and free help is a bit difficult to come across, especially when you have no actual error messages, just programs stopping.
Heck, I would start a post in Apple if it had a message that I could Google. "Garage Band/iMovie Freezes" doesnt do much...
Oh, and positive note of a Mac being that everything is in that dang hard box to get open? There are PC's like that. (Man, Macs are a PAIN to open. When I opened mine up, since the CD drive broke, I ended up with a bag of screws leftover, I never did figure out where they go. Makes a clunk when I pick it up, but, eh.)
I am now done with my rant, thanks, I know you didnt read it : P
The bottom line is that both OS's have their good points. However, you've shown me that you are hard set against macs when you haven't taken the time to actually know what you're doing on them.
So, I certainly have used Macs. Own one, use them at School. About to reformat one completely if I can find out what a*****e stole the CD case from the computer lab. Then kill them.
Then find out that when they are dead, I will never be able to get it back since they wont be able to tell me where it is, then torrent it.
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before starting the torrent, I recommend hiding the body.
there are many alternative hiding places, just pretend your playing hide and seek. Stuff it in a locker, for example. One particularly devious method involves just tossing it into a hallway, then running off as a crowd gathers. Make sure to put a fake suicide note in their pocket with fairly generic phrases, like "goodbye cruel world"
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what are you talking about?
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Seriously, We were comparing Operating Systems and you came in and started talking about fake suicide notes...
As for my opinion on the subject at hand, I'm a Mac and I love it.
You people all complain that Macs break and crash and get screwed up.
Okay, they do, but every computer model ever built at some point, has crashed.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
Quality over quantity.
and as for the guy who said no one has a Mac, tell that to twenty percent of the Personal computer market.
and that's a real statistic. In the last two and a half years, they took more than 15% of the computer market.
And I hope this next statement will end the God foresaken farce once and for all;
IF APPLE NEVER EXISTED, YOU WOULD NOT BE USING A PERSONAL COMPUTER RIGHT NOW. STEVEN WOZNIAK BUILT THE FRIST ONE, APPLE MARKETED THE FIRST ONE, APPLE RELEASED THE FIRST GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE TO THE MARKET 13 YEARS BEFORE MICROSOFT DID. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR BRAINWASHED SKULLS!
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Any good hardware should come with a driver CD. You should also realize, external hardware for a Mac requires drivers as well.
1st of all, the problem is that there's a lot of hardware that doesn't work properly with vista, and vista drivers don't come on the disc with the hardware.
2nd, The only hardware I've ever had to find drivers for (which were on the disc) for a mac were printers. Digital Cameras, video cameras, usb devices all work without without drivers. Now, a lot of this has been addressed in Windows XP, but vista has had a lot of problems working with a lot of hardware.
Its an iMac, with OSX on it. It has Internet Explorer. It did not come with Safari...
Saying it's an iMac with OSX on it is like saying I have a Dell Dimension with Windows on it. There have been 5 different versions of OS X, the oldest being as old as windows 98 second edition.
Safari was first released in 2003. Any version of Mac OS X past 2003 would have it on it by default. If it doesn't have it, it has been a free download. Also, firefox is always an option.
About filesystems, its most likely that I must have read an out of date book then, I was unaware that they changed their filesystem.
No worries. I make sure you knew of the change.
Its Garage Band. The computer can not handle the tracks, we only use half the tracks an actual band would most likely use. It can barely handle MIDI with more than 5 tracks.
This disappoints me. In Preferences, the buffer size is increased to allow it to work.
I can see why this would disappoint you. The problem is that you're using a very old version of garageband, most likely the first that came out.
Take a look at this article. http://www.borkware.com/rants/gb-midi/
As for FireFox: It is a correct version. And even more-so, if it weren't, wouldn't that show just as bad program compatibility as Vista is supposedly supposed to have? Its simply the OSX Version of FireFox. There is no sub-version.
That's incorrectly actually. The firefox team made different versions for different versions of OS X.
For instance, if you look at Firefox 3's requirements, it's first requirement for mac is that you're running OS 10.4. If you're running OS 10.1 or 10.2 like I'm suspecting you are, it's trying to run a Vista version of Firefox on Windows 98.
If you go here: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
You can find older releases of firefox.
If you need help finding what version of OS X you're on I can help with that as well.
I am hard set against Macs, but, not their users : )
And, if I dont know how to operate them, doesnt that say its not so easy to get? (Now thats just purposeful contradiction on my side) But seriously, I have spent a majority of my time with Mac OS 9, and then a bit less with Mac OS 10. I own a "Grape" Mac with a "Blueberry" keyboard and mouse. I use OS X on school computers quite a bit.
Any operating system takes some learning. However, I've taught people for years how to use both Windows (98, XP) and Mac OS X (10.2, .3, .4, and .5) and I've found people to come into learning Mac much easier.
The reasons? Simple things like the intuitiveness of the OS. For example: If you want to save a computer from the internet to your desktop, how do you do it? Well, one way is to simply drag it directly to the desktop. It then does the same thing as right clicking, choosing "save as," and then going to your desktop.
There are numerous other things that are found the more you use Apple's written programs such as the iLife and iWork suite, but I don't want to bore you on that.
Honestly I think the problem is that you're probably pretty used to OS 9 and haven't really decided to just sit down and try learning how OS X works. It's really pretty darn easy to figure out.
Costs too much to have a Mac "Looked At", and free help is a bit difficult to come across, especially when you have no actual error messages, just programs stopping.
Heck, I would start a post in Apple if it had a message that I could Google. "Garage Band/iMovie Freezes" doesnt do much...
It's funny that you say that when you've seen me in multiple posts talk about how you can go to any apple store and get free help at the Genius bar.
You can also use the complimentary one year of free phone support that comes with a mac.
However, a genius bar is the best way to go if you have an apple near you.
Furthermore, you saying that you don't know what to google when iMovie/Garagband freezes just tells me you don't know where to look for the log if something freezes. It's just like on Windows. If you have a program completely freeze (and therefore don't see an error message within the pgoram), you can go to the computer management console and look at error logs to see what was causing the issue. Mac has a solution for this too.
So, I certainly have used Macs. Own one, use them at School. About to reformat one completely if I can find out what a*****e stole the CD case from the computer lab. Then kill them.
Then find out that when they are dead, I will never be able to get it back since they wont be able to tell me where it is, then torrent it.
That always sucks. Losing any system disks sucks. Let me know if you want help tracking one down ;)
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Seriously, We were comparing Operating Systems and you came in and started talking about fake suicide notes...
As for my opinion on the subject at hand, I'm a Mac and I love it.
You people all complain that Macs break and crash and get screwed up.
Okay, they do, but every computer model ever built at some point, has crashed.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
Quality over quantity.
and as for the guy who said no one has a Mac, tell that to twenty percent of the Personal computer market.
and that's a real statistic. In the last two and a half years, they took more than 15% of the computer market.
And I hope this next statement will end the God foresaken farce once and for all;
IF APPLE NEVER EXISTED, YOU WOULD NOT BE USING A PERSONAL COMPUTER RIGHT NOW. STEVEN WOZNIAK BUILT THE FIST ONE, APPLE MARKETED THE FIRST ONE, APPLE RELEASED THE FIST GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE TO THE MARKET 13 YEARS BEFORE MICROSOFT DID. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR BRAINWASHED SKULLS!
Austin, I'm an avid Mac user and love it, but you're not helping the argument by simply saying pc's crash a lot and mac's don't. Plus, typing in all caps about the Woz is not going to help anyone, it's just going to alienate people.
Take a look at Zylstra and my conversation. We're being civilized and explaining our points to each other. Why? Because we respect each other.
If you show others respect you can then expect it in return. Don't demand respect when you don't deserve it.
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In the end, can you really say anything relevant about personal computers' history without crediting the Woz?
and can you honestly deny the statement?
can you honestly say it's not true?
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Yes, since the GUI used in Apple's Lisa was essentially "copied" from Xerox SPARC.
It's like saying a person next to you in class copied you because their using paper as well. They are ways of getting work done.
Apple Macintosh? 1984.
Microsoft Windows? November 1985.
I don't see 13 years of difference there.
saying any computer "breaks beyond recovery" is pretty dumb. PC parts are easily exchangable. saying that, because the HD failed, it's "broken beyond recovery" is merely creating fodder for your now shaky argument.
and if you want to get technical, This (http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/610.html) is the first personal computer.
regardless of any of it, there is no way you can possibly predict with any certainty that "if A never happened, you wouldn't be using B now" especially when you provide no information to back it up; without the information, they are merely words.
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He built the first personal home computer.
Comparing Windows 1.0 to Macintosh 1.0 is comparing Homer Simpson to Donald Trump.
and I said the first ones to market one.
XEROX PARC (not SPARC) doesn't count.
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Seriously, We were comparing Operating Systems and you came in and started talking about fake suicide notes...
As for my opinion on the subject at hand, I'm a Mac and I love it.
You people all complain that Macs break and crash and get screwed up.
Okay, they do, but every computer model ever built at some point, has crashed.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
Quality over quantity.
and as for the guy who said no one has a Mac, tell that to twenty percent of the Personal computer market.
and that's a real statistic. In the last two and a half years, they took more than 15% of the computer market.
And I hope this next statement will end the God foresaken farce once and for all;
IF APPLE NEVER EXISTED, YOU WOULD NOT BE USING A PERSONAL COMPUTER RIGHT NOW. STEVEN WOZNIAK BUILT THE FRIST ONE, APPLE MARKETED THE FIRST ONE, APPLE RELEASED THE FIRST GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE TO THE MARKET 13 YEARS BEFORE MICROSOFT DID. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR BRAINWASHED SKULLS!
i would highly disagree with that COMPLETLY FALSE! you must be thinking of the computers they sell at aldi or something like that (honeslty who buys a computer from places like that) ive had a dell computer running for about 6 or 7 years perfectly fine except when I broke the floppy connector on the motherboard BUT THAT WAS MY FAULT! and the computer i have now i expect that to last a VERY VERY long time and pcs are never broken beyond revovery like bc said you can easly change parts your mac breaks o well your screwed guess you need another 2k to buy one were to repair a pc would cost much much less
my uncle has TONS of old computers still working PERFECT so no pcs DO NOT break and die very quick and plus with a windows you can make it and custimize your hardware to whatever you want PCs live a lot longer than you think mabye you should get one and save yourself some money for a quicker, better computer yes i agree macs may use more expensive hardware than like dell but try making one with a nice gigabyte or asus motherboard that should last you a loonngg time
windows computers also have more customizable grahpic settings also like different themes and stuff
my freind has alos had a couple computers that have lasted 10 years and are still working today and are still worthy he also had one thats about 14 years old and still works
and steve jobs is a crossdresser and those stupid emacs with the speakers built in WHAT IDIOTS! speakers have magnets and magnets ruin harddrives plus when theres that weird beep sound when the tiny speakers are turened all the way up the screen shakes also,what kind of people put the power plug where it is on an emac it falls out so easy! and the power button its so inconvenient that everytime you try to press it you unplugg the computer and if you have more than 2 usb things plugged in (keyboard and mouse) it cant support any more! i no im going on about an old model but our school is filled with them just a very inconvient pc also, its hard to defragmnet them a normal user would proabably have trouble doing it were windows computers, its very easy to do and that one click mouse!!! *censored* how are you supposed to right click! WHAT A PAIN!!!!! and when you take a widget out of the widget thing and put it on your desktop, you can only have one! with windows you can get yahoo widgets and have all kinds of them on your desktop and win vista also has something built in for it also, windows gets bsods at least then you know your computer is broken and you need to restart while macs get that stupid spinning color wheel and you have no idea that it is frozen so it just keeps going and 10 hrs later its still there, and accually, there are viruses for macs and no one nos that so people are going to get a virus on there mac and have no idea and plus are there even any antivirus programs for macs? also all mac pro made before 08 produsce a gas that can cause cancer by decreasing red blood cells and damaging bone marrow and causes cancer heres a link http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24438570-8362,00.html
and those emacs! turn one on and all the screens flicker around you! such power hogs
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I think Austin needs a better computer history course. First of all, I'd like to know what this 13-year difference is. And how does the Xerox GUI not count? Simply because it goes against your argument? Just so you know, GUI goes back as far as the NLS in the 1960's, perhaps further (although I'm not aware anything older). In case you hadn't noticed, The Woz wasn't the only computer nerd at that time, nor was he the first. Home PC's would still be available whether he was around or not. All he did was provide additional competition. It's like saying "If it weren't for America, there never would've been a man on the moon" but I assure you that it still would've happened; just by someone else instead.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
What are your sources? Who came up with these inaccurate statistics? And do you even know what a computer crash really is?
This is the oldest and lamest argument against PC's. PC's are everyday household items these days and are owned by people who don't know how to use them properly. Issues lie primarily with user faults, incompatible software, and improper use. Because Mac's aren't as popular and have a different learning curve, many novice users avoid them. I assure you, if Mac's were more popular, we'd be the ones saying stupid things like "Mac's crash all the time and it's not just because they're so popular!"
And honestly, who really cares either way? Don't like a Mac or PC? Then don't use it and leave it at that. I have a general dislike for the Mac, so I don't use it and it seems to be working out for me. Does it actually matter if someone doesn't like something?
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I think Austin needs a better computer history course. First of all, I'd like to know what this 13-year difference is. And how does the Xerox GUI not count? Simply because it goes against your argument? Just so you know, GUI goes back as far as the NLS in the 1960's, perhaps further (although I'm not aware anything older). In case you hadn't noticed, The Woz wasn't the only computer nerd at that time, nor was he the first. Home PC's would still be available whether he was around or not. All he did was provide additional competition. It's like saying "If it weren't for America, there never would've been a man on the moon" but I assure you that it still would've happened; just by someone else instead.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
What are your sources? Who came up with these inaccurate statistics? And do you even know what a computer crash really is?
This is the oldest and lamest argument against PC's. PC's are everyday household items these days and are owned by people who don't know how to use them properly. Issues lie primarily with user faults, incompatible software, and improper use. Because Mac's aren't as popular and have a different learning curve, many novice users avoid them. I assure you, if Mac's were more popular, we'd be the ones saying stupid things like "Mac's crash all the time and it's not just because they're so popular!"
And honestly, who really cares either way? Don't like a Mac or PC? Then don't use it and leave it at that. I have a general dislike for the Mac, so I don't use it and it seems to be working out for me. Does it actually matter if someone doesn't like something?
Thanks. Beat me to the punch on the note about needing a history course.
I do agree that if you don't like an operating system don't use it.
However, I don't think anyone should argue about another OS's superiority until they have a decent understanding of each OS they're talking about.
I used to hate macs (part of it was that OS 9 and earlier kinda sucked), but another part of it was that I knew how to do anything I wanted to do on my Windows 98 machine, but not on a mac. After being in the IT field for over 8 years I'm come to like mac's os more than windows, but that doesn't mean I don't find each to have their strong points.
I still know more about my windows OS than I do about my Mac OS.
I think it can be fun to have these discussions about what areas we like or dislike about various OS's (hardware, etc.). However, when we begin insulting each other and throwing out incorrect information we've just lost any actual discourse. It's all about shouting louder than the other guy/girl.
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I think Austin needs a better computer history course. First of all, I'd like to know what this 13-year difference is. And how does the Xerox GUI not count? Simply because it goes against your argument? Just so you know, GUI goes back as far as the NLS in the 1960's, perhaps further (although I'm not aware anything older). In case you hadn't noticed, The Woz wasn't the only computer nerd at that time, nor was he the first. Home PC's would still be available whether he was around or not. All he did was provide additional competition. It's like saying "If it weren't for America, there never would've been a man on the moon" but I assure you that it still would've happened; just by someone else instead.
Windows based PCs crash about 70 times more often than Macs.
And that's not because there are more of them.
If there were 100 Macs and 100 Windows based PCs
one Mac would crash within 1 year and 70 Windows PCs would crash within 1 year, within three, 95 of them would have crashed, within 10 years, none of them would still exist, they break to a point beyond recovery after about 5 years.
What are your sources? Who came up with these inaccurate statistics? And do you even know what a computer crash really is?
This is the oldest and lamest argument against PC's. PC's are everyday household items these days and are owned by people who don't know how to use them properly. Issues lie primarily with user faults, incompatible software, and improper use. Because Mac's aren't as popular and have a different learning curve, many novice users avoid them. I assure you, if Mac's were more popular, we'd be the ones saying stupid things like "Mac's crash all the time and it's not just because they're so popular!"
And honestly, who really cares either way? Don't like a Mac or PC? Then don't use it and leave it at that. I have a general dislike for the Mac, so I don't use it and it seems to be working out for me. Does it actually matter if someone doesn't like something?
He has quite alot of guts to post to alot of Windows owner's
;)
But seriously this is getting childish and probably wasting up disk space on Nathan's server
;)
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He has quite alot of guts to post to alot of Windows owner's
;)
But seriously this is getting childish and probably wasting up disk space on Nathan's server
;)
He was expressing his opinion- he has a right to do that;
Every single post on here is "wasting" space, so whats your point?
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Thanks. Beat me to the punch on the note about needing a history course.
I do agree that if you don't like an operating system don't use it.
However, I don't think anyone should argue about another OS's superiority until they have a decent understanding of each OS they're talking about.
I used to hate macs (part of it was that OS 9 and earlier kinda sucked), but another part of it was that I knew how to do anything I wanted to do on my Windows 98 machine, but not on a mac. After being in the IT field for over 8 years I'm come to like mac's os more than windows, but that doesn't mean I don't find each to have their strong points.
I still know more about my windows OS than I do about my Mac OS.
I think it can be fun to have these discussions about what areas we like or dislike about various OS's (hardware, etc.). However, when we begin insulting each other and throwing out incorrect information we've just lost any actual discourse. It's all about shouting louder than the other guy/girl.
I think it's normal to dislike something that you dont know how to use. I dislike sports because they make no sense to me. I don't understand how people can watch football games everyday...my father-in-law and brother-in-law are sports fanatics and they watch football on a regular basis and I don't get it. To me, there isn't a difference between one game and another, aside from the different colors. The lack of variety bores me and is unappealing. My distaste is likely unfounded, but I don't bash the sport or its fans.
The point is...I can understand why someone would dislike a Mac because they don't know how to use it, but that doesn't necessarily give them the right (or a reason) to bash it and start an argument. It also doesn't give a Mac supporter any right or reason to flip out and run to Mac's defense. It's a lot like religion.
In my case, I mainly dislike Mac because it's different. It operates differently and doesn't do things the way I prefer, so I don't like it. That doesn't make it bad; it's simply not my cup of tea. I tend to smite them when passing by one at the store, but it's just for fun. When a Mac user gets offended and curses me and lists a million reasons why their computer is better, my response is generally something like "Cool...I like my PC."
Anyway, I'm rambling, so I'll hush for the moment.
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Steve Wozniak created the first home computer, NOT Apple.
Look at the corrupt history behind Woz and Apple, Woz made it, Woz hardly participated in the Apple Computer Cooperation.
Wozniak is a hero of mine, but, not for his software. Making his idea true.
And, yes, Apple did copy the Xerox operating system, and computer mouse.
I like Red Rose by the way, Chris.
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I like Red Rose by the way, Chris.
Weird- I wasn't the only one that actually thought of tea when he said "not my cup of tea".
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fine ignore what i wrote that took me a long time
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I refuse to read posts that don't contain a single period.
To your credit there was punctuation in the form of exclamation marks.
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meh i need to start using those periods more
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I like Red Rose by the way, Chris.
Weird- I wasn't the only one that actually thought of tea when he said "not my cup of tea".
Heh, I actually considered using a tea analogy. I've never had Red Rose, but I'm quite partial to this stuff:
http://www.greentea.com/saladagreenteapurpleantioxidant.aspx
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ahh, that image explains my confusion on that old SaviourPC topic;
the "Salada" tea I thought you meant at first was this one:
(http://www.canadianfavourites.com/v/vspfiles/photos/lipton004-1.jpg)
which confused me when I first saw it, since they had it right next to red Rose tea:
(http://canadiandelicacies.com/coffee-tea/redrose.jpg)
huh, I wonder why there's a maple leaf on the second one...
And come to think of it, this is getting s bit off-topic.
Oh well; it will only last until we get another angry mac user/Windows hater posting ;D
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Hmmmm... I can't find the power button on my FREE E-MAC!
haha crap
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmmmm... I can't find the power button on my FREE E-MAC!
haha crap
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
On my second Media Studies lesson (a class I dropped at the beginning of last year), we were using the macs and my friend and I couldn't figure out how to turn the darn mac on. We spend about twenty minutes from a blank screen to creating a folder on the desktop.
Heh, when we got to the desktop (if that's what its called), my friend and I were like "ok, how do we create a folder without right clicking".
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I don't know if they changed it in recent incarnations, but one thing that was mildly annoying was the fact that Mac OS didn't have shortcut keys for a lot of stuff. Mostly programs fault, I know; but there are too many menu commands that simply don't have accelerators...
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In my opionion, Macs arent good platforms for developing software, they arent as open source with their API's like Windows.
:P
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windows isn't open source; but the developer community is much more lively.
On the other hand; developing for the mac is easier, since their is far less hardware diversity.
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In my experience (at my school), people with Apple Laptops know almost NOTHING about computers and people with Windows Laptops have at least some knowledge about what a hard drive is.
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In my experience (at my school), people with Apple Laptops know almost NOTHING about computers and people with Windows Laptops have at least some knowledge about what a hard drive is.
Of course, there are exceptions to both; there are people who are extremely experienced with computers and use mac OS extensively (Socrates, I'm sure is an example, although in all fairness I don't believe he is "apple exclusive")
conversely; there are extreme beginners that use windows. (often to their frustration). So it works both ways.
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In my experience (at my school), people with Apple Laptops know almost NOTHING about computers and people with Windows Laptops have at least some knowledge about what a hard drive is.
same deal
this one chick was having problems with her flash drive in the library(all the computers in the library have Windows) i offered help and she said that she uses Macs instead for her flash drive and didnt know how to open it up through My Computer.
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I suppose when looking at my personal view....
I have to consider one thing:
I still like command prompt.
You see me use it when its not necessary, just because its the way I am familiar with.
I still have a habit of entering locations as C:\PROGRAMF~1\THES~\BONV~\BIN\
And my absolute favorite OS is Windows 3.11. Honestly, if Windows 3.11 could run FireFox, MSN, and Windows Live Mail, I would use it as a primary operating system.
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oh yeah, command prompt. DOn't think I could like without that myself, either.
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command prompt is great. ;D
especially on Win 2K and XP. Vista doesnt even have EDIT.COM on it! :o
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edit is just a text based notepad pretty much anyway... not much loss of functionality.
I could complain about the lack of EDLIN, and be just as justified.
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or even more important QBASIC, but of course you can just simply download it from Microsoft.
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Vista has Edit.com
I downloaded the full QBASIC on Vista, works great. I'm surprised it still works.
You know, I just remembered DOS Shell. I used that as a startup program for a long time on my older laptop, great program.
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You know, I just remembered DOS Shell. I used that as a startup program for a long time on my older laptop, great program.
Or as IBM likes to call it "PC-DOS shell"
If you think about it, you could consider DOS shell to be a precursor to windows... forgetting of course that the first version of windows came out before the first version of DOS shell... (windows 1 in '82, DOS 4 in... '86, I think.)
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I'm just upset with apple because I can't afford to get a mac. I want to figure out how they work! The other day, I was trying to trouble shoot a slow internet connection on a friend's mac and couldn't even figure out how to find the ip address.... ipconfig seemed like it was a console command, but it didn't return anything except that I was using it wrong, or something like that.
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I do have to give apple credit for the Ipods though
;)
Those things are built to last with the metal case.
But you gotta look at it in what your going to be using the computer for.
Macs are more or less the multimedia computer; for photos, videos, and music
Windows and Linux are the more 'business' computers for word proccessing and stuff like that but that doesn't mean you can't use Macs for business purposes.
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I do have to give apple credit for the Ipods though
;)
Those things are built to last with the metal case.
I hate my iPod. I wanted a Zune, but my wife wanted the iPod, so we got it. I hate the interface, the wheel, the functions, and especially iTombs.
But you gotta look at it in what your going to be using the computer for.
Macs are more or less the multimedia computer; for photos, videos, and music
Windows and Linux are the more 'business' computers for word proccessing and stuff like that but that doesn't mean you can't use Macs for business purposes.
Mac isn't a multimedia computer, it's a computer. I can use my vista box for photos, videos and music, too.... but while we're stereotyping, linux isn't much of a business OS, either. it's mostly a niche OS. It has a few places where it is great, but in the center of a business is not it. Sure it could be, but it's not.
It's not about what you're going to be using the computer for, it's what you're comfortable with.
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but yea i guess we are sterotyping some what. and yes ipods do have there limits(quite a few actually) and i wish that it would be much easier to transfer songs by just draging and dropping them in My Computer. But Itunes was 'much more easier' and it doesnt support 2000!(had to get the songs on a friend's computer)
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If you ask me, macs and apples are only good for graphics!
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omg i hate ipods too! those wheels are wayyy too touchy and zunes are the best! GET ONE!!!!!!!!
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is it easier to tranfer songs and videos to Zune?
and does Zune's Music Manager(or whatever its called) support Windows 2000?
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I just bought a 4GB Walkman, almost a year ago. If I ever bought an Mp3 player that needed certain software to transfer songs, I'd take it back.
The iPod's only Pro is simply the Snob appeal of owning one. Problem is, once you realize what a POS is is in almost all aspects of it's use (interface, transferring music, supported formats, etc), the Snob appeal on it's own doesn't feel like it was worth the price you paid which was over 3 or 4 times that of another brand that had a good interface, Easy transfer methods and more supported formats.
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DRM, anyone?
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yea, i do get tried of having to go over to a friend's place so i can tranfer my songs. so....Zune's can get there songs by just draggin and dropping in My Computer or in the very least be able to transfer with some sort of software that isnt impossible to transfer songs onto without (buying this, that and the other)?
???
and i mean BC, the price is more or less about the(raising your social status by owning one) but its harder in the long run.
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please don't tease the animals. :D
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Another bump....... :o
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omg im soo happy my sister went from her ipod to a zune! she loves it! and thinks its much better then an ipod now if people would only give zunes a chance
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i wonder if Zune's are more developer friendly? ;D
cant wait to create some apps for Zune!!!!! Ipod is just so closed-to-developers unless you get ILinux on it ;)
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what language can you do that in im wondering.....
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any language. as long as it can link with whatever BS library MS releases.
On the other hand, knowing them, they'll end up with some .NET stuff.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7148748849652085555&q=MAc
Zylstra, that's a hilarious vid about Macs! Also I have no problems with viruses on Windows and I use P2P and Bit torrent programs all the time. Kaspersky does a great job for me!
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any language. as long as it can link with whatever BS library MS releases.
On the other hand, knowing them, they'll end up with some .NET stuff.
apparently the only direct programming language is C# with the XNA framework, but VB probably could work if you use the dll's that come with the XNA Game Studio
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd282502.aspx (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd282502.aspx)
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any language. as long as it can link with whatever BS library MS releases.
On the other hand, knowing them, they'll end up with some .NET stuff.
apparently the only direct programming language is C# with the XNA framework, but VB probably could work if you use the dll's that come with the XNA Game Studio
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd282502.aspx (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd282502.aspx)
I've always hated developing for any mobile platform. they are so short lived it almost isn't worth the effort.
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not only that but the limited variety of languages to program in... Ipod is even worse(its probably some cryptic language that is different by the different firmware, which is updated week after week......) :P
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or you could put linux on your ipod
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yea but were talkin even without linux. but what languages does ipod linux work with. but i have been wanting to add linux to it so i could play Doom 2 on my ipod.
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the only language any computer supports is it's own machine code.
your question should really be "what compilers support the Zune" and "what Compilers support the Ipod"
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alrighty. Both the Ipod and Zune support C.
and plus the Zune supports C#.
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you've got it backwards. C# and C support the zune, and C can compile to the iPod.
It is the compiler/interpreter that must be built to support the platform- it cannot be done the other way unless you involve emulation, in which case it isn't really "supported" is it?
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thats true, but in the very least they both support ASM in some way, depending upon the proccessor.
But i dont see any way of running it unless you dowloaded Linux onto your Ipod, and I dont see how you could do this on the Zune without a hack.
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slightly off topic... about zunes and ipods rather than macs
a mac is rather stupid. an iToilet sounds like the way forward : http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/itoilet.html
it was created quite a while ago but it's still valid! windows is so much more versatile- even though i believe that even that is a complete rip off.
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just bieng blunt, Macs arent as versitile as PC and certainly beyond what you would want to pay for a computer
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I still love my MP3 player...
Sure, doesnt have gigabytes of storage... but, I can put what I want onto it. Thats what I have to say about both Zunes and iPods.
Not to mention, my MP3 player is durable, no hard drive to kill, and its small. I'm not afraid to stick it in my pocket with keys.
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I still love my MP3 player...
Sure, doesnt have gigabytes of storage... but, I can put what I want onto it. Thats what I have to say about both Zunes and iPods.
Not to mention, my MP3 player is durable, no hard drive to kill, and its small. I'm not afraid to stick it in my pocket with keys.
Same here; I don't buy into this hype with paying more for something that actually is less capable, and especially in the case of a iPod, since it requires (officially) iTunes to be installed.
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heck, i saw a $25 1GB MP3 at Dollar General, and it comes with Video playing cability, fortunately its not made in China.
but you have to remember MP3's have a Solid State drive(most), which means limited write and read, but its probably in the millions or thousands, so not a big deal
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heck, i saw a $25 1GB MP3 at Dollar General, and it comes with Video playing cability, fortunately its not made in China.
but you have to remember MP3's have a Solid State drive(most), which means limited write and read, but its probably in the millions or thousands, so not a big deal
It's flash memory. same as used in Cameras and countless other applications.
I haven't changed a thing on my MP3 player for almost 6 months.
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heck, i saw a $25 1GB MP3 at Dollar General, and it comes with Video playing cability, fortunately its not made in China.
but you have to remember MP3's have a Solid State drive(most), which means limited write and read, but its probably in the millions or thousands, so not a big deal
It's flash memory. same as used in Cameras and countless other applications.
I haven't changed a thing on my MP3 player for almost 6 months.
flash memory = solid state drive.
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I've got to ask, Socrates:
Are you an iPod fan?
I hear iTunes will be supporting all MP3 devices soon...
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I hear iTunes will be supporting all MP3 devices soon...
It'll be a miracle when that happens ;)
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heck, i saw a $25 1GB MP3 at Dollar General, and it comes with Video playing cability, fortunately its not made in China.
but you have to remember MP3's have a Solid State drive(most), which means limited write and read, but its probably in the millions or thousands, so not a big deal
It's flash memory. same as used in Cameras and countless other applications.
I haven't changed a thing on my MP3 player for almost 6 months.
flash memory = solid state drive.
I know that, flash memory is in a solid state drive, containing flash memory doesn't make something a solid state drive.
It will eventually peter out, but at the same time isn't that a unsaid rule for magnetic hard drives as well?
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yes, it goes for everything but i think that Mag HDs last longer
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heck, i saw a $25 1GB MP3 at Dollar General, and it comes with Video playing cability, fortunately its not made in China.
but you have to remember MP3's have a Solid State drive(most), which means limited write and read, but its probably in the millions or thousands, so not a big deal
It's flash memory. same as used in Cameras and countless other applications.
I haven't changed a thing on my MP3 player for almost 6 months.
flash memory = solid state drive.
I know that, flash memory is in a solid state drive, containing flash memory doesn't make something a solid state drive.
It will eventually peter out, but at the same time isn't that a unsaid rule for magnetic hard drives as well?
It's not that flash memory is inside of a solid state drive, it's that flash memory is one type of solid state drive.
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I've got to ask, Socrates:
Are you an iPod fan?
I hear iTunes will be supporting all MP3 devices soon...
I am an iPod fan, but not exclusively. There are plenty of great MP3 players out there. I really enjoy the iPod touch but less for the mp3 player and more for the apps and wifi.
iTunes has it's flaws just like any other media application. On PC I was a fan of winamp for quite a while until it started getting bigger and bigger (not in terms of people using it, but in terms of what was bundled into the application).
Right now I use iTunes and prefer it, but will admit that I haven't tried most of the newest iterations of other music playing apps (other than windows media player).
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I should also state that although I like many of Apple's products (and prefer them in many cases), I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means.
I think the AppleTV is a waste of money for what's included and have been happily using my Xbox (original xbox) with Xbox Media Center for many years.
I enjoy products that do what they are programmed (or constructed) to do and do those things well. I may complain from time to time about various applications or hardware, but in many cases I have quite a few good things to say about them as well.
An example: I'm not a fan of vista for quite a few reasons but use it on my Macbook a second OS for the sole purpose of playing Half Life 2 64 bit edition. It's also a fun OS to play around in, being that it is much different (graphically at least) than it's windows predecessors.
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Apple comps are great for something but not everything, like the lack of good business software for Apples, probably since Apple is less open source on their products
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Apple comps are great for something but not everything, like the lack of good business software for Apples, probably since Apple is less open source on their products
I'm sorry, but Apple isn't any less Open Source then Microsoft.
Also, there is a TON of freeware and Shareware for both platforms.
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Apple comps are great for something but not everything, like the lack of good business software for Apples, probably since Apple is less open source on their products
I'm sorry, but Apple isn't any less Open Source then Microsoft.
Also, there is a TON of freeware and Shareware for both platforms.
I think he meant, API (Application Program Interface) wise, and in what you can use for programming (wide variety of compilers, wide area of support for windowed applications, etc)
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in that case I would have to agree. While the Apple Toolkit (or whatever their calling it now) is fairly powerful, there isn't a strong developer community and Apple doesn't seem interested in having one. (like the MSDN)
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in that case I would have to agree. While the Apple Toolkit (or whatever their calling it now) is fairly powerful, there isn't a strong developer community and Apple doesn't seem interested in having one. (like the MSDN)
I got the impression, after reading about HyperCard (now far outdated, and no longer in the MacOS) a long time ago, it wasnt so friendly with so many programmers...
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Macs are stupid, dont buy one.
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Macs are stupid, dont buy one.
a strong argument.
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and one that has been going on for pages
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Macs are stupid, dont buy one.
Thats what we call a Shutdown,
When you begin to shut down people and their opinions, all you do is show your weakness and that you are out of information.
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Macs have been known for their advantages. I however, because of the rather poor mac(s) we have owned, which crashed every three minutes and could do less than a programmable calculator, dislike them with a fury. Why can't everyone just use linux?
(However, that is rather hypocritical of me, as I just tried windows 7 and absolutely love it.)
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Macs are for the people who want to "show off" probably since Macs are so dang expensive, but if you would want to say, host a website with a Mac, then you will have more trouble than on a Windows machine, and even less on a Linux(their so great as Server OS's)
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The US military uses a special version of windows, NASA and the ISS use Linux, what uses a mac? (Apart from Hollywood movies)
I recall seeing a windows 3.11 computer in one of Arnie's old movies...
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which proves the point that Macs arent used for anything serious
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exactly.
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this reminds me of a picture (http://dvice.com/pics/MacPC.jpg)
Macs are stupid, dont buy one.
Thats what we call a Shutdown,
When you begin to shut down people and their opinions, all you do is show your weakness and that you are out of information.
thats what my uncle does! Its like no one is allowed to have opinions!
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Amazingly, higher up services such as the government know that Macs have no actually secured firewall.
The security level is questionable in Macs, they dont receive enough testing other than from their company. PC's get unexpected testing every day.
Yes! There are HUNDREDS of security updates for PC's, but, I dont know if you ever noticed, but Microsoft discovers these before any real "hackers" find out they exist. They are constantly testing their security.
Macs even have security updates. I recently did an update on a Mac that was having problems... it had quite a few, a clever thing about them was: One update contained a whole bunch of bug and security fixes.
Microsoft releases as they go along.
I honestly disagree with system version updates. XP should always be SP0.... if they discover something, release it in a normal update, dont make people wait so long. If your an Apple fan, dont use this as a point of attack, Apple does the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7JH1FT_yM
And, http://zylstrablog.co.nr/smf/index.php?topic=20.new#new ..video there contains language.
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Ohhh, I'm double-posting...
Also, about Mac servers:
What do you call a cow that doesnt give milk?
Utter Failure! <<Highlight text to see.
Windows, in my opinion, works great for a active directory or domain server... but, webserver? Pssht. Thing is nearly impossible to install PHP on, let alone have PHP connect to MySQL through Internet Information Services (IIS) 5.0.
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
#1 Because Mac OSX won't run on Non-Apple laptops without piracy or hacking. You are paying for the Apple logo and know that it is not Windows technology.
#2 Because you are joining an elite club of computer users, and Apple is an expensive fashion name brand for computers. It is all about fashion, not affordability. Like buying a $300 Nike tennis shoe instead of the $20 generic tennis shoe at Payless. Though both cost the same amount of money to make.
#3 Because Apple represents quality and has Apple Stores and Apple geniuses that are kinder than Geek Squad and smarter as well.
#4 Because your other alternatives are Linux, AROS, HaikuOS, ReactOS, and OpenDOS/OpenGEM and other open sourced alternative operating systems. Good luck getting commercial software support from those and you might only be able to use free and open source programs instead. Mac OSX has more commercial applications available for it than most other Windows alternatives. But not Free and open source programs, Linux wins in that category.
#5 If you have to ask why you need to pay so much for a Mac laptop, obviously you aren't qualified to own one. Only the most elite and most fashionable and wealthy seem to be qualified for Mac computers. Us poor people have to use Vista Home Premium with the $500 to $700 PC Laptop instead of the more expensive Macbooks and Macbook Pros.
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#4 Because your other alternatives are Linux, AROS, HaikuOS, ReactOS, and OpenDOS/OpenGEM and other open sourced alternative operating systems. Good luck getting commercial software support from those and you might only be able to use free and open source programs instead. Mac OSX has more commercial applications available for it than most other Windows alternatives. But not Free and open source programs, Linux wins in that category.
Really? Can I have a reference for this?
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and think about it, some of these lesser known OSs probably dont get as many viruses as the major OSs, probably from their amount of people who know how to use said OSs.
and those so called "Elite" probably dont know squat about how to use the mac equivalent of Disk Defrag ;)
this one chick that goes to my school didnt even know how to access her Flash drive through My Computer, and she was to used to the flash drive being right there on her prissy little Mac Book, instead of a Windows Workstation(it was more or less a desktop)
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I would have to say without any sources (just a guess) windows has wayy more software for it then mac.
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Mac sucks
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Strongly Agree
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Love your sources... As well as the explanation of your reasoning as to why they suck.
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need to print this topic off to prove why Macs suck.
- People say that they don't get viruses, that doesn't mean they're fully safe.
- People say their faster than PCs, yet you could get a much faster PC for a cheaper price than a slower Mac.
- And yet even though Windows is thought of the crappy OS to some people, do you see Macs being used for anything Serious like: Gov. issues, Military, NASA, Science. That would be a big NO.
And even if they can run Windows, they still have the same hardware. which means if you want to play a really good game, then your going to be paying a whole lot more money to do upgrades than on a Linux or Windows machine.
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need to print this topic off to prove why Macs suck.
- People say that they don't get viruses, that doesn't mean they're fully safe.
- People say their faster than PCs, yet you could get a much faster PC for a cheaper price than a slower Mac.
- And yet even though Windows is thought of the crappy OS to some people, do you see Macs being used for anything Serious like: Gov. issues, Military, NASA, Science. That would be a big NO.
Hear, hear
And even if they can run Windows, they still have the same hardware. which means if you want to play a really good game, then your going to be paying a whole lot more money to do upgrades than on a Linux or Windows machine.
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Interesting topics..
I've been in graphics for many years and at first mac's were the way when it came to graphics. they munched graphics like no ones business while the same thing on a pc would crash or bog down.
It's all changed now.
I have three pc monsters in graphics lab each with the latest quad 2 core processors zooming at over 3ghz with 8 gig ram. I can use photoshop, high end render applications and my 3d drafting programs all at once WHILE doing a high end render running in the back ground like there's no tomorrow.
No way I can do that with a mac, even if I could find the programs to run on it.
I like mac's. they have servered me well over the years with my art studio. But my PC monsters I've build have increased my productivity 50 fold.
Mac really needs to start pulling some rabbits out of their hat's. The graphic results have always been Superior...but the gap has been closed and pc's are in the lead now.
Seriously...from a business perspective, I choose to invest in the pc because of all the available graphics/3d SW and the fact that I can multitask with the newer hardware pc's have out. And I am getting the same results...
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i agree with you and for some comical relief on why macs suck, remember that clip from Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull:
remember the clip were Mac says "JONESY!" and Indy goes "Hello Mac!" *PUNCH IN FACE*
that is my reason for why Macs suck ;D
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Interesting topics..
I've been in graphics for many years and at first mac's were the way when it came to graphics. they munched graphics like no ones business while the same thing on a pc would crash or bog down.
It's all changed now.
I have three pc monsters in graphics lab each with the latest quad 2 core processors zooming at over 3ghz with 8 gig ram. I can use photoshop, high end render applications and my 3d drafting programs all at once WHILE doing a high end render running in the back ground like there's no tomorrow.
No way I can do that with a mac, even if I could find the programs to run on it.
I like mac's. they have servered me well over the years with my art studio. But my PC monsters I've build have increased my productivity 50 fold.
Mac really needs to start pulling some rabbits out of their hat's. The graphic results have always been Superior...but the gap has been closed and pc's are in the lead now.
Seriously...from a business perspective, I choose to invest in the pc because of all the available graphics/3d SW and the fact that I can multitask with the newer hardware pc's have out. And I am getting the same results...
Yea, thats why macs suck!
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Cool! graphics design! lets see what you made!
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I've been in graphics for many years and at first mac's were the way when it came to graphics.
Which is funny, since, originally, PC's had color far before Macs. Apple considered color unprofessional for quite some time, when they mainly targeted business customers.
But, it was the second most advanced GUI system at the time. I consider the first Xerox, even though they never actually fully developed and implemented its technology.
"A mouse? What kind of person would want to hold a mouse? *Insert that unhappy business cooperate laughter here*"
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I saw a video where steve jobs had a pc and a mac (I think this was from about 2000) simialar specs and stuff. They had photoshop and they where running a drawing file that made the drawing and the mac was A LOT faster
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I saw a video where steve jobs had a pc and a mac (I think this was from about 2000) simialar specs and stuff. They had photoshop and they where running a drawing file that made the drawing and the mac was A LOT faster
"Similar specs"
I'm sure they used some generic cheap video card in the PC, and the uber-upgrade in the Mac.
There are too many variables.
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i just think the Apple Marketers overrate the Mac over a PC
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I use Mac and Windows everyday, and at the beginning I thought Mac was amazing... But now that I looked into them both... Everything is just harder on a Mac. Yes Mac's look better with the transparent stuff but... I still like windows more :)
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This topic will never expire...
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One thing about the Mac is that I hate their mighty mouse. It's hard to use. Operating system is great, except their minimize, close and restore buttons are backwards in comparison to windows, so that's the only problem.
I wish windos and Macs could be merged someday and that apple continues making good multimedia software while microsoft continues with the games......
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This topic will never expire...
quoted for truth ;D
I wish windos and Macs could be merged someday and that apple continues making good multimedia software while microsoft continues with the games......
err- what games? Microsoft publishes the games- they don't make them, for example, Halo is a product of Bungee Studio's; Age of Empires is Ensemble Studios.
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If apple merges with windows.... That will be terrible!
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exactly- look at Snapple, for instance.
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???
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If apple merges with windows.... That will be terrible!
terrible? i meant take the good parts of both worlds and put them together so one machine can do both things natively, instead of you having to get a modified osx for pc and bootcamp for mac....
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Then wouldnt pc's become a lot more expenive ???
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Macs dont handle multimedia better than PC's...
Yes, its true, in the past, there were more video editing programs for Mac, but, now the amount of video editing programs for PC are considerably higher.
Results of about 23,700,000 for Video editing software for pc OR windows. (0.33 seconds)
Results of about 1,940,000 for Video editing software for Mac OR OSX OR OS X. (0.30 seconds)
Of course, the results themselves arent extremely accurate, but, the number difference says a lot about how many more references there are to PC Video editing programs.
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Please lock this Zylstra ;)
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Please lock this Zylstra ;)
You know... I would, and it was long debated before, but, we've always kept it open for fun.
So far, we havent seen any flaming or argument happen here, its been pretty "cool" atmosphere.
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Thats true...no yelling like they do on CNN. :D
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when is steve jobs going back to work? I know he's missing in action because he's taking care of his health or something ....
also apple probably should sell their operating system stand alone but i think it's the mac hardware that osx runs on (without any of those cracked versions like the one psystar is using) is making more money for the company...
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MacOS can run on a PC, the hardware inside a Mac is pretty much the same as whats in a PC.
Its called "High Grade Hardware" for one reason:
They have whatever company they choose design a "special" card with a difference or two with a special slot card so it wont work in a PC, and so it requires different drivers made only for the Mac...
It might not be exactly like that, but, thats pretty much the case.
Steve Jobs lets his designers do all the work for him... same with Bill Gates (though, at least Bill used to work directly with his programmers at one point in time. I dont know if Balmer is keeping this up or not)
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So MacOSX is like an iPhone. The OS or device CAN work on other systems but you have to have a legally unlocked version to legally use it on non apple hardware.
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The Iphone's OS can't run on say the PSP ;)
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The Iphone's OS can't run on say the PSP ;)
i meant the phone can be used on different phone services that use sim cards, theoretically but AT&T has locked the phone so you cannot use it with other services unless you get a version of the phone someone has hacked open the lock :)
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A non cracked version od mac osx cant work on a pc. I dont think so anyways
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i meant the phone can be used on different phone services that use sim cards, theoretically but AT&T has locked the phone so you cannot use it with other services unless you get a version of the phone someone has hacked open the lock :)
When there's a will, there's a way ;)
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Why do I want to pay $1099-$1999 for a stupid Mac-Book.
Seriously, I could pay a much more affordable $512 for a laptop with Windows XP and more.
AND ITS GOT EXPANSIONS!
As opposed to the always freezing MacBook with its crappyness. (If only that were a word!)
Apple claims to donate laptops to schools. Why is my school still filled with old smelly (not really) computers? (Not that I would want a Mac anyways)
AND WHATS THIS ABOUT PAYING $1099+ FOR AN EASY TO HACK APPLE LAPTOP?!?!!
Macs are a Piece Of **** In My Opniton
Get a Normal Laptop
My Dad got a 3gb ram
and 200gb Memory
for Only 600$
Its A Good one its
a"Tosibia"
Well Hope i helped you,
thanks to me :)
TorrentIt©
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200gb memory? Isnt memory and ram synonymous? And whats a "Gm"?
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200gb memory? Isnt memory and ram synonymous? And whats a "Gm"?
unless he meant 3gb ram and 200gb harddrive, then that's something....
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I think he did but whats a "gm"
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a gigamutant!
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a gigamutant!
or it's just genetically modified -- which is why I think TorrentIt is bragging how he got such a good pc for so little money LOL ;D
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Torrentit has a gigamutant computer? Or a genetically modified one? Where can I get one?
Or mabye it means general motors and he is just using the little computer that comes with the car
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thanks to me :)
Is TorrentIt actually asking some one to thank him for that little bit of info he posted????
oh GM stands for "Gerbil Made" it is the hottest brand of computer out today. They are very cheap and popular with the kiddies. The only down side to it is you have to run in a giant wire wheel to power it and the keyboard is so small you have to use a tooth pick to type.
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or is TorrentIt trying to be illegal because he's a Torrent seeder?
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Mac's are amazing, running Windows on them is a rediculous idea though.
i COULD not agree more
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Why are you resurrecting dead threads?
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Maybe he read through the whole thing and saw how many times this thread has been resurrected and decided to continue on in tradition. I know I've thought of doing that several times. This is a sort of fun thread anyway.