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Software => Computer software => Topic started by: Google on January 31, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
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I'm just wondering if many people actually do this because I've heard so much about how bad it is and how you can be caught.
Everyone downloads illegal music though, so music doesn't count. I only mean like software that costs money that you used a key generator or something like that.
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No I have not, nor do I agree with it.
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Why do you want to know ? ?
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I'm just interested in what the community thinks about illegal downloading and how many people are actually involved. If you don't want to say anything about this subject then don't.
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But i did...
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Sounds like a backdoor route into a conversation that's frowned upon not only here but many help forums.
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So far, 2 said "yes" and 3 said "no".
Sounds like a backdoor route into a conversation that's frowned upon not only here but many help forums.
Well, they can frown all they like. My 2 cents worth is that downloading software by various means is something that everybody does. This forum has a policy of not helping people to do it, and I think this is mainly for legal reasons. If anybody starts getting holier-than-thou and preaching that "software theft is the devil's work", that is the point at which I tune out. However.
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Your the one preaching... Read my comment closely. Did I point a finger?
You don't have to troll me every time I respond with my opinion to this type of topic....do you?
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I've heard so much about how bad it is and how you can be caught.
I haven't heard anything like this. ???
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No o.o
Just a test. (http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,75884.0.html)
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Um, yea some of my friends in Somewhere in Alberta were fined apparently for downloading only illegal music on limewire.
And I think everyone has downloaded illegal software at least once. Don't have to come here preaching against your principles etc.
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You don't have to troll me every time I respond with my opinion to this type of topic....do you?
No, and I wasn't. I was making a general comment, not aimed at you in particular, to do with the point that you raised, namely that the topic being discussed is a sore point on some forums. I think you should try to be less defensive.
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I'm using a pirated version of windows right now :o
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I'm using a pirated version of windows right now :o
GET HIM!!!
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I have about 200 GB of DivX video files on my hard drives, over 90% of which is television shows and miniseries (CSI, Stargate SG-1, Battlestar Galactica, Band of Brothers, etc.). ;D
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Nope don't download any.
I hate to tell some of you this but not "Every one" downloads illegal music and not every one has downloaded something illegal at some point and time.
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Nope don't download any.
I hate to tell some of you this but not "Every one" downloads illegal music and not every one has downloaded something illegal at some point and time.
Well, bully for you.
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Um, yea some of my friends in Somewhere in Alberta were fined apparently for downloading only illegal music on limewire.
And you still need more proof?
I suggested to my daughter that she should buy a $15 a month subscription with her ISP that offers unlimited downloads. $15 a month, unlimited! She said she would rather go to the store and buy her music before setting at a computer downloading music.
I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really? Saying "everyone does it" is not only shallow, it's an ignorant, unjustified cop-out to put your inadequacies on everyone but YOU. Grow up! Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.
@Dias. You quoted me and then said you weren't talking to me? Your full of it you know? Don't just assume you know what someone is talking about.
I said frowned upon not because of any moral or any legal issues. It's just they rarely turn out well. Just as this one is really (to me) not looking all that great.
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I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really?
You tell me. You brought the subject up.
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Um, yea some of my friends in Somewhere in Alberta were fined apparently for downloading only illegal music on limewire.
And you still need more proof?
I suggested to my daughter that she should buy a $15 a month subscription with her ISP that offers unlimited downloads. $15 a month, unlimited! She said she would rather go to the store and buy her music before setting at a computer downloading music.
I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really? Saying "everyone does it" is not only shallow, it's an ignorant, unjustified cop-out to put your inadequacies on everyone but YOU. Grow up! Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.
@Dias. You quoted me and then said you weren't talking to me? Your full of it you know? Don't just assume you know what someone is talking about.
I said frowned upon not because of any moral or any legal issues. It's just they rarely turn out well. Just as this one is really (to me) not looking all that great.
You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time? Not just Limewire-any music sharing program.
Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.
I should probably re-word my question. "How many people WHO KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER AND DON'T ONLY USE IT FOR TYPING, THEY USE THE INTERNEThave downloaded illegal movies/software and let's add 'Music' ".
If you don't use a computer/don't know how to use one, then obviously you won't be downloading anything will you? If you'd rather go to a music store then you obviously don't know how to download music.
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There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.
You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?
Another shallow insight.
Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.
Not everyone does things just like the next guy.
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Mr.Google, It is now 2009. Limewire is the way to pirate for pussyfoots.
Additionally, P2P sharing of the sort provided by such amateur applications as LimeWire,Azureus, and the like are like water wings for pirates.
Regardless of that- I will admit downloading music myself- HOWEVER- and I'm not trying to justify my actions in any way- I subsequently purchased several sets of CDs of my favourite bands, if only because the music I downloaded was crappy 128kbps MP3, which is the equivalent of putting it through a goat-*censored* filter as far as my sub-woofer is concerned. I can definitely hear the difference between the crap quality MP3's I've downloaded and the actual, 44,100 Khz 16-bit stereo Audio CD- which I might add that the only way to get equivalent quality is via lossless formats which suck altogether.
... Of course, since most music nowadays is crap anyway, you really can't tell the difference. *ZING* ;D
Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time?
Not very many people, quite a lot of music.
Limewire: a lot of trojans masked as music(admittedly easy to detect), and some music. Mostly, as previously described, $hitty quality MP3s, because at some point in time MP3 was declared to actually be of good quality at low bit-rates, or something, since everyone seemed to rip at 128kbps.
basically, the lesson learned here is A:torrents are better then any file sharing program and B:any downloaded music has a 90% chance of being *censored* quality. (the other 10% would be rap)
And I believe I just turned this into a debate about genres and MP3 quality. Oh well.
There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.
You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?
Another shallow insight.
Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.
Not everyone does things just like the next guy.
Indeed! A common argument is that pirating software increases the sales later on because the people get "addicted to it" so to speak, which is actually quite false. If they were successful in acquiring a pirated copy of the program/OS/whatever, what in the blazes makes anybody think they would actually go out and purchase a legitimate version? It's simply backwards logic!
Others claim that it's the Anti-Piracy checks and so forth, (WGA and the like for windows, as an example) that make them pirate the OS, and yet- a genuine version will not be affected at all by the anti-piracy techniques. The only "good" reason I can think of that can be used to try to justify pirating music would be things such as the Sony Rootkit and DRM. The justification falls apart when one realizes that CDs sold with such technology are clearly labelled for those looking at the case a little more closely. Rather then focussing on Eminem beating a dead horse with a sack of rabid ferrets or shoving a Watermelon up his but (or whatever crazy things those rappers are doing these days), check the label for such things as claims that it might not work in a standard CD player, which generally indicates a deviance from the red book standard- which is actually the reason I would refuse to buy such CDs. Deviating from an established standard is not something consumers should condone at all.
The fact is, any form of pirating infringes on intellectual property rights. Before anybody flames me for being a goody-goody or law abiding type of person or other nonsense, bear in mind I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!". In any case- the problem stems quite simply from the ease of duplication afforded by storing such intellectual property digitally. Such ease makes it quite easy to "plagairise" in a loose use of the word, other peoples ideas.
Take a book, for example- would anybody go to the effort of trying to duplicate a book word for word, simply to allow them to read it later on? Obviously not. But the difference is quite pronounced between a book and data stored on a hard drive, especially on the case of software, since it's designed for the computer to read, and it can be copied in a relative instant, with no real work involved as compared to the laborious effort required to duplicate a book manually.
However- just like a book, the software contains ideas. The fact that these ideas are encapsulated into code really shouldn't be of special significance, since, just like a book, HUGE efforts go into the creation of almost any program worth pirating in the first place.
This is understandable. An interesting notion, however, is that even though linux distributions and windows program equivalents can be acquired completely free of charge, people still insist on pirating the commercial product, which leads to o believe they suffer from the same syndrome I do- "pack-rat" syndrome. having the software on disk just for disks sake. often I've thought about this to myself, and questioned, "what was the point", since many illegal downloads have sat idle on my harddrive until deletion, at which point I had simply wasted bandwidth. Of course some may say I simply am no good at deciding what to download that's worth my time. Well, some people say time is money, you know.
Arrgh, that was a terrible lead-up to that conclusion statement. I apologize. my train of thought kind of derailed itself halfway through.
Also- be aware that this isn't pointed at anybody in particular and doesn't try to degrade them, since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL). Rather, it was a blatant observation provided from my perspective.
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Well said.
Note that I never have confirmed or denied anything I do or may have done on any forum, anywhere, at any time. So don't be too fast in thinking you know me. Do-gooder? LOL. I do though like a good debate so can't stand it until I throw in my opinion from time to time.
It really irks me when anyone, myself included (I call myself out often, sad I know) try to make a valid point based solely on self opinion. How many p2p/illegally downloaded programs do I find in the logs I see in the malware forum? I would say 90 to 95 percent of the logs. Show me once where I have given any sort of do-gooder speech to the user. You can't. Do I give an occasional warning that using said programs is likely where the infection came from but I have never given a goody goody speech. Some people honestly just don't know any better! But those that do shouldn't expect to given a pass by the majority of those that don't use such methods.
I do believe that there are many, many more people who don't use p2p/torrents then there are users that do. If it was everybody, then the software makers would fail and go out of business. You can't successfully operate on a budget that has no profit. That's simple math.
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Mr.Google, It is now 2009. Limewire is the way to pirate for pussyfoots.
Additionally, P2P sharing of the sort provided by such amateur applications as LimeWire,Azureus, and the like are like water wings for pirates.
Regardless of that- I will admit downloading music myself- HOWEVER- and I'm not trying to justify my actions in any way- I subsequently purchased several sets of CDs of my favourite bands, if only because the music I downloaded was crappy 128kbps MP3, which is the equivalent of putting it through a goat-<censored> filter as far as my sub-woofer is concerned. I can definitely hear the difference between the crap quality MP3's I've downloaded and the actual, 44,100 Khz 16-bit stereo Audio CD- which I might add that the only way to get equivalent quality is via lossless formats which suck altogether.
... Of course, since most music nowadays is crap anyway, you really can't tell the difference. *ZING* ;D
Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time?
Not very many people, quite a lot of music.
Limewire: a lot of trojans masked as music(admittedly easy to detect), and some music. Mostly, as previously described, $hitty quality MP3s, because at some point in time MP3 was declared to actually be of good quality at low bit-rates, or something, since everyone seemed to rip at 128kbps.
basically, the lesson learned here is A:torrents are better then any file sharing program and B:any downloaded music has a 90% chance of being <censored> quality. (the other 10% would be rap)
And I believe I just turned this into a debate about genres and MP3 quality. Oh well.
There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.
You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?
Another shallow insight.
Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.
Not everyone does things just like the next guy.
Indeed! A common argument is that pirating software increases the sales later on because the people get "addicted to it" so to speak, which is actually quite false. If they were successful in acquiring a pirated copy of the program/OS/whatever, what in the blazes makes anybody think they would actually go out and purchase a legitimate version? It's simply backwards logic!
Others claim that it's the Anti-Piracy checks and so forth, (WGA and the like for windows, as an example) that make them pirate the OS, and yet- a genuine version will not be affected at all by the anti-piracy techniques. The only "good" reason I can think of that can be used to try to justify pirating music would be things such as the Sony Rootkit and DRM. The justification falls apart when one realizes that CDs sold with such technology are clearly labelled for those looking at the case a little more closely. Rather then focussing on Eminem beating a dead horse with a sack of rabid ferrets or shoving a Watermelon up his but (or whatever crazy things those rappers are doing these days), check the label for such things as claims that it might not work in a standard CD player, which generally indicates a deviance from the red book standard- which is actually the reason I would refuse to buy such CDs. Deviating from an established standard is not something consumers should condone at all.
The fact is, any form of pirating infringes on intellectual property rights. Before anybody flames me for being a goody-goody or law abiding type of person or other nonsense, bear in mind I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!". In any case- the problem stems quite simply from the ease of duplication afforded by storing such intellectual property digitally. Such ease makes it quite easy to "plagairise" in a loose use of the word, other peoples ideas.
Take a book, for example- would anybody go to the effort of trying to duplicate a book word for word, simply to allow them to read it later on? Obviously not. But the difference is quite pronounced between a book and data stored on a hard drive, especially on the case of software, since it's designed for the computer to read, and it can be copied in a relative instant, with no real work involved as compared to the laborious effort required to duplicate a book manually.
However- just like a book, the software contains ideas. The fact that these ideas are encapsulated into code really shouldn't be of special significance, since, just like a book, HUGE efforts go into the creation of almost any program worth pirating in the first place.
This is understandable. An interesting notion, however, is that even though linux distributions and windows program equivalents can be acquired completely free of charge, people still insist on pirating the commercial product, which leads to o believe they suffer from the same syndrome I do- "pack-rat" syndrome. having the software on disk just for disks sake. often I've thought about this to myself, and questioned, "what was the point", since many illegal downloads have sat idle on my harddrive until deletion, at which point I had simply wasted bandwidth. Of course some may say I simply am no good at deciding what to download that's worth my time. Well, some people say time is money, you know.
Arrgh, that was a terrible lead-up to that conclusion statement. I apologize. my train of thought kind of derailed itself halfway through.
Also- be aware that this isn't pointed at anybody in particular and doesn't try to degrade them, since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL). Rather, it was a blatant observation provided from my perspective.
Oh my, so many controversial subjects to argue about. But I'd rather not. I just want to say I agree that torrents are way better than any file sharing program. And that lime wire carries many Trojans and viruses as do many torrents. And that they are easy to detect etc etc.
Many points you made there are good arguments but what is the main point you are trying to convey here?
...Since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL)
Haha, let's make a contest out of it.
I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!".
Ok, ok. That was a very bad argument on my part. I don't mean to say "Get with the times" or "everyone's doing it". I'm just trying to say that everyone IS doing it. That's not the reason that I do it, but most people that I have met - that are "tech-savvy"- have downloaded Illegal music AT LEAST, if not movies and software.
It is just becoming so easy to plagiarize now days and copy other people's ideas. And even though discouraging advertisements call it "Stealing" (which is what it is), most people try to look at it as "sharing" or something that is not breaking the law.
I don't know what point you are trying to make here, let alone what point I am trying to make, but I am not trying to give goody-goody speeches EF, and I am not trying to make a point based on self-opinion. I would call it more "self-experience" not self-opinion.
Anyways...
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an opinion based on your own experience is still your own opinion. In fact... it's the very definition thereof...
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It sure is.
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no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that
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Oh dear...
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no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that
oH ye m4n??1 leik d00d wat5 cresit? beacude liek wh0 woked had?
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Oh dear...
Haha
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no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that
I take it spell checkers fall into your "crap" category?
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no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that
I'm sorry. I don't understand this :-[
Could someone please, translate it into English.
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I believe he's praising the chinese for their ability to craft woks.
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With my experience...is sad but true...is easier to have a cracked os than a legit 1. (My friend use to be legit but after 2 Format...well Microsoft let him down (Microsoft :P). He manage to finally get a key after 2-3 month...from me (Also Vista was magically activate ;D). Also if you only use a software rarely I guest (No encouraging) is alright if you want to test. But if I really like a software, I try to buy it (If only I can find it in store)
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With my experience...is sad but true...is easier to have a cracked os than a legit 1. (My friend use to be legit but after 2 Format...well Microsoft let him down (Microsoft :P). He manage to finally get a key after 2-3 month...from me (Also Vista was magically activate ;D). Also if you only use a software rarely I guest (No encouraging) is alright if you want to test. But if I really like a software, I try to buy it (If only I can find it in store)
and phone activation was just so yesterday, I take it.
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no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that
I'm sorry. I don't understand this :-[
Could someone please, translate it into English.
English is not my native language but I think he try to say...
:No I will never download Illegal software since I love to donate my money to the programmer (even if is software suck) because they have worked hard to code it... P.S. Sorry for my bad English
Ouch! An I though my writing was bad (no offense!)
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haghah yez we dun no wha thaee tri to sae. He i speaka china i thik/.?
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With my experience...is sad but true...is easier to have a cracked os than a legit 1. (My friend use to be legit but after 2 Format...well Microsoft let him down (Microsoft :P). He manage to finally get a key after 2-3 month...from me (Also Vista was magically activate ;D). Also if you only use a software rarely I guest (No encouraging) is alright if you want to test. But if I really like a software, I try to buy it (If only I can find it in store)
It isn't that hard to validate a legit key from MS. I'm sure a poll of how many users have had to validate their install would be in the very high numbers. That's a cop out plain and simple.
That answer is the poster for why the legal users have to jump through UAC hoops and other "security" features in Vista and which will be even more-so in Windows 7. UAC isn't just to protect the end user. There are also less seen features that in the future are going to make it harder and harder to run unlicensed software.
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I like to say yes, I have downloaded software illegally. The only things, I downloaded illegally is Microsoft Office, its a requirement for certain computer classes, and my office is out dated, office 97 and office 2000. I still use them on the other computers, but I only use the other copy on a computer I needed for class.
I just realize that I can get a "discount" version of Microsoft office from the College Bookstore, I think its about $50 for office 2007 or whatever the latest one is, the reason why the college has this low price is though some sort of agreement. So I think I will just go buy the software from school then retailers. I hope it is the full version with everything you normally get when you buy it at any computer store.
For the most part I use freeware, open source or whatever software I like that they are giving away at giveawayoftheday.
My brother goes to another school and he gets free full license of Windows, I have 3 diffrent licence for XP. I could still get a XP (64bit) Pro license and Vista license from him, but.. None of my computers are 64Bit and I don't like vista. I wish their school gave out Office Licenses, but oh well I guess that is one thing you have to go out and buy your self..
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I just realize that I can get a "discount" version of Microsoft office from the College Bookstore, I think its about $50 for office 2007 or whatever the latest one is, the reason why the college has this low price is though some sort of agreement.
Yes, academic pricing can save a lot of money. The pricing varies from state to state, maybe from school to school within a state. But, $50 for office 2007 is a steal. I bought Office 2007 Pro at a community college bookstore but had to pay $200.
For those Office users who don't need Outlook and Access, Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 is a good buy. Amazon has it: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-Home-Student-2007/dp/B000HCZ8EO
If OpenOffice.org (http://download.openoffice.org/) would suffice, it's freeware.
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I'm using a pirated version of windows right now :o
GET HIM!!!
I'm using an un-genuine version o.o.
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I'm using a pirated version of windows right now :o
GET HIM!!!
I'm using an un-genuine version o.o.
I originally had a pirated version of XP installed- but I didn't have to disk and needed some drivers- so I bought one. For a while I still used the pirated version- then I found that key-changing thing so I could change the product key to the genuine key I got- then reactivate, and boom- genuine.
I've had to reinstall a few times since then- but so far, no need for phone activation, since it has been changed to different hardware only once.
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I'm using an un-genuine version o.o.
If this stands for Open Office it's a silly statement...
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isnt Limewire illegal in the first place?
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Limewire is not illegal, but in most cases is used to download illegal material.
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im suprised Limewire isnt out of the loop, for all the illegal stuff that is downloaded through it.
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isnt Limewire illegal in the first place?
How could it be?
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since its a tool to get download Illegal material, should they have be taken outta the loop from all these copyright claims?
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im suprised Limewire isnt out of the loop, for all the illegal stuff that is downloaded through it.
You might as well make phones "illegal" because of all the crimes that are planned using them. Or letters. Or automobiles.
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since its a tool to get download Illegal material, should they have be taken outta the loop from all these copyright claims?
Peer to peer software has legal uses, so it would be unfair to target the users just because some other people use it for reasons you don't approve of. Anyway, how would you stop people getting Limewire?
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Yea, I agree with that. You can't target the users of the program because there are so many. You need to target the owners/creators of the program...
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thats what i ment, if so many people are using it and downloading illegal material with it, should the creators stop letting people download it.
EDIT:wait, nvm: someone could just post the setup of it on FileFront or something like that....
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Yea, I agree with that. You can't target the users of the program because there are so many. You need to target the owners/creators of the program...
And if one goes down, two more spring up in its place. Look what happened after they went after Napster. Emule, Bit Torrent, etc. Plus there's always Usenet which is impossible to police. I think the copyright cops are just hoping that not too many people get to hear about the latter. Only dorks use Limewire.
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should the creators stop letting people download it.
Oh right. Like they are really going to do that.
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Yea, Non-dorks use (censored) you know what I mean.
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So whats usenet? Looks like a hosting site to me??
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yea, but oh well.....
anywho: i dont think i have any apps i downloaded illegally, its all freeware or trialware
Usenet, was a kind of News BBS, if memory serves.
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So whats usenet? Looks like a hosting site to me??
It pre-dates the world wide web.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET
Many ISPs operate news servers, and if yours does not there are commercial ones like Giganews. My own ISP, Virginmedia, has very good newsgroup coverage, over 32,000 groups, and a lot of those are binary groups (shhhh). I can max out my 20 megabit connection easily.
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yea, but oh well.....
anywho: i dont think i have any apps i downloaded illegally, its all freeware or trialware
Usenet, was a kind of News BBS, if memory serves.
It has evolved... big time.
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video confrencing, file sharing.....overwhelming.
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Only dorks use Limewire.
Wannabe's, really.
"Ooooh! Look at me, I'm being a rebel and downloading material illegally! Look! It's the entire album, in a tiny 30K archive! Compression techn.... Oh. Crap."
I know a few people who use it all the time for all their questionable acquisitions- they insist on downloading those 30K files that are supposedly "Super compressed"... And actually think I'll help them more then once. Nope. You only get one. I told you last time!
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its kinda like acting all prissy on a precious little MacBook.
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what? what do macbooks have to do with it?
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Macs suck
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what? what do macbooks have to do with it?
They are computers for dicks, I think.
see here...
http://tinyurl.com/bpfplj
and here...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/383414278_8b921d7f95.jpg)
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I knew this would spin out of control with unqualified statements ....
The Lock count is running.
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ok, yea lets get bak on topic, there is another thread to tell your statement on Macs..
now then:
i dont think i have any so, im going for no...
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I knew this would spin out of control with unqualified statements ....
Hence my first post....
The Lock count is running.
Just in case your clock gets stuck... (http://www.1130cc.com/forums/images/smilies/kuku.gif)
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I guess I'm completely out of the loop because I don't even know HOW to download illegal software. Reading this thread amazes me because everyone else seems to know. Had I known how to do this in the past, I could have saved a lot of money.
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I knew this would spin out of control with unqualified statements ....
Although it's gone in a completely different direction then expected! ;D
Heck, you can stick any "A is for B" type of query in google. I'd insert a humourous example here, but I can't come up with anything humourous, really. best I can think of being "tylenol is for Parents" or "AV cables are for video"... the latter of which is really more of a statement then an expression of opinion.
There have been portable mac computers since... since... the Mac Portable.
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I guess I'm completely out of the loop because I don't even know HOW to download illegal software. Reading this thread amazes me because everyone else seems to know. Had I known how to do this in the past, I could have saved a lot of money.
Don't go there! That way lies damnation!
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Heck, you can stick any "A is for B" type of query in google.
I know :)
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In fact, I believe that is the method I used to find the pictures in my Pictures\XXX\Goats\ folder.
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I can't believe I found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goat_Girl
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that is so confusing... She's a goat, and yet at the same time can take off her skin? and become beautiful? Goats aren't exactly bueatiful, and I'd imagine they wouldn't exactly be without their skin. So one can only assume that the woman somehow gave birth to a girl in a goat costume.
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HAHA, that's so random. This whole dramatic effect in the story then "and they had a grand wedding.".
LMAO where did you even come across this?
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Goats aren't exactly bueatiful
This is from Greece, remember?
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HAHA, that's so random. This whole dramatic effect in the story then "and they had a grand wedding.".
LMAO where did you even come across this?
I typed "goat girl" into Google, how do you think?
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haha why would you do that?
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He's Greek ;D, temporarily in UK.
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Are you gonna be able to finish before golf session? ;D
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haha why would you do that?
8)
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I'm using an un-genuine version o.o.
If this stands for Open Office it's a silly statement...
Whenever I start my computer, it says it like Ungenuine...may be at risks....blah.
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If it's not yours, don't take it. If you do, you're stealing. Even my youngest kids know that.
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If it's not yours, don't take it. If you do, you're stealing. Even my youngest kids know that.
Thank you for sharing that with us, Reverend.
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The way I think of it- If everybody in the world could make copies of physical stuff, like food and so forth, would we still be charged for it? Throw in expensive PC components into some machine, and pay for some raw material, and the machine clones the components perfectly.
(Raw material in this case I suppose being disk space). That IMO is the major difference between physical theft and digital theft- the only thing the original owner doesn't lose the item, since the "thief" simply cloned it.
I think it is the ease with which copies can be made and how that makes any law on theft that is applicable for physical objects somewhat redundant with digital files.
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If you wonder then a quick web search can clear up the fogginess and should answer any questions of denial.
Sharing entertainment files and proprietary software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software) infringes the copyright laws in many countries over the world and you are putting yourself at risk of being indicted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment) through organizations watching over the rights of the authors of such files (i.e. the RIAA (http://www.riaa.com/) for music files, or the MPAA (http://www.mpaa.org/) for movie files in the USA) or the authors of the files themselves.
Further references found here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/protection.mspx), here (http://www.techweb.com/wire/160500554) and here (http://www.internetworldstats.com/articles/art053.htm).
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It doesn't matter if some one thinks it is right or wrong or how easy it is do. The fact remain that if you do it you are breaking laws. Hence why it is called "Illegal" downloads.
So do it if you want. I for one chose not to. Just don't cry or pitch a fit if you ever get caught and something happens that you don't like.
p.s. just don't tell them I told you to do it. ;D
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If you wonder then a quick web search can clear up the fogginess and should answer any questions of denial.
Sharing entertainment files and proprietary software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software) infringes the copyright laws in many countries over the world and you are putting yourself at risk of being indicted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment) through organizations watching over the rights of the authors of such files (i.e. the RIAA (http://www.riaa.com/) for music files, or the MPAA (http://www.mpaa.org/) for movie files in the USA) or the authors of the files themselves.
Further references found here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/protection.mspx), here (http://www.techweb.com/wire/160500554) and here (http://www.internetworldstats.com/articles/art053.htm).
I totally agree, evilfantasy. And, there's an organization devoted to curtailing software piracy. It's www.bsa.org. They have some real power to take action resulting in serious legal consequences for violators. See http://www.bsa.org/country/Anti-Piracy.aspx
(Raw material in this case I suppose being disk space). That IMO is the major difference between physical theft and digital theft- the only thing the original owner doesn't lose the item, since the "thief" simply cloned it.
This is the typical flawed logic used to justify violating copyrights. If you steal a tangible object, then yep, that's theft, but it's OK to steal intangible/digital/intellectual property. This logic totally misses the point that someone's time and labor was expended to create that intangible property, just as someone's time and labor was expended to create a tangible good.
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piracy is a natural fact of free market capitalism. I've always been poor; I've also always just had a contrarian streak.
I used to be a shoplifter. I loved ripping off wal-mart etc. if i couldn't affect the diamond companies etc, i could screw with the fence. A few times we worked short games with them. But I was young. Now I just boycott. That's far easier and more effective.
I've ripped off 2 apps, 1 game, maybe 3 movies, and probably over 400GB of mp3's in all. Oh and lots of books. One of those apps I just wanted to try to see if it worked, cuz it was so expensive. I had just read about warez in wikipedia.
I know a lot of people who will pirate and album to see what songs they like, then buy those songs when available. Besides piracy will only force security to evolve. Champagne still flows. I have paid for some, but I've also stole chickens.
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Sorry patio, rather than reply to that I've gotta beat you to it...
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IMO should have never been started. *sigh*
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Thanx EF...
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