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Other => Computer News => Topic started by: patio on August 29, 2009, 07:02:10 AM
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Full Story (http://www.techspot.com/news/35990-new-attack-cracks-wpa-wifi-encryption-in-just-a-minute.html)
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Its a good thing I have WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES]!
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In Russia, WPA cracks you!
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In Russia, WPA cracks you!
i am still not getting the "in russia" jokes
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Well, maybe you could do some research on this thing called "the Internet."
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and how do you google that?
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Hey, read the story! This is heavy stuff! With this kind of flaw we all strand to lose a lot. If it gets real bad they will have to close down the internet. Don't laugh. When the twin towers were hit they closed down all air traffic :(.
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it doesnt effect me because i am using unsecure wireless with no encryption
or password
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and how do you google that?
Quite easily, actually. Type ' "in russia" jokes' in your search engine, and here's the first of many entries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff)
So, make all the smart comments you want, insult all the people on here you want, make all the cryptic, half thought-out posts you want, give all the programming advice you can -- I'm gonna remember that you couldn't figure a simple Internet search. Amateur.
When the twin towers were hit they closed down all air traffic
Geek, I expect a better analogy from you. I trust you're kidding.
Wireless has offered a lot of convenience, but has always been an inferior medium in certain respects.
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geek-9pm has a history of flawed metaphors that amount to nothing more then excessive hyperbole.
1st: This has nothing to do with the "internet" and everything to do with home networks.
2nd: Even a completely wide open router is more likely to get, at most, 4 "leeching" PCs. However- this is almost always purely accidental- I've known people to accidentally connect to their neighbors router when they have their own router and internet at home.
What are the chances of these people accidentally installing and using a WPA crack tool and accidentally gaining access to a nearby WPA encrypted device? 0.
3rd:
With this kind of flaw we all strand to lose a lot.
Why? How? If somebody isn't using WPA they aren't susceptible! And WPA is only used by home users. I don't see how we are apt to lose a lot, and would like some clarification on exactly what we're losing too, because there is no real implication aside from using it as a sort of badly formed metonymy.
In either case, for reasons I already went over- even those people using WPA are unlikely to be affected.
A metaphor can be drawn from the joke, where the two friends are running from a bear, and the one says, "I don't think we can outrun the bear!" and in reply he is told, "well, I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you".
In a similar case, you don't need good encryption techniques to keep people out of your home network, because in almost 100% of all cases there is somebody such as smeezekitty who scoffs at the very concept of wireless security.
Given the choice between a wide open router and any of the encryption methods, is stands to reason that the open one will be used, since it is, "the path of least resistance".
Also I might add that drawing an analogy between Something as docile as wireless networking and a terrorist attack is nothing of not in good taste.
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When the twin towers were hit they closed down all air traffic
Geek, I expect a better analogy from you. I trust you're kidding.
Wireless has offered a lot of convenience, but has always been an inferior medium in certain respects.
Yes, bad choose of analogy. First thing that came into my head. I was almost kidding. But, in view of the current fiscal conditions, we are coming close to a critical mass where our sophisticated society and lack of foresight can result in a major social earthquake.
What you may not think important is this: Many merchants are using Wi-iFi for credit card transactions. Swap meets. Flea markets, Country fairs. Arts and Crafts shows. Thousands, maybe millions of transactions are done every day on a system that they think is mostly safe.
Organized criminals could put together a mobs of men with mobile cracker vehicles that could go around to areas whee they can get the best chance of picking up hundreds of credit card numbers in one afternoon. If well organized, they could get 10 or 20 million card numbers in a few weeks. Nobody would know. Then they could just bleed the system slowly, or if greedy, hit the system hard.
Think of a billion dollars taken in a week. And again. And again because nobody wants to shut it down. Think of bank failure. Stock market crash. Massive loos of jobs.
OK, here is a better analogy. In one small country a huge amount of $200 peso bills were stolen from a government bank. The remedy? They forbid the used of the $200 peso bill. If you had on, you had so many days to turn it in.
So yes, I think they just might shut down the internet. And the cell phones. And the land lines and two-way radios. It would be a virtual civil war with martial law limiting all communications.
Of course, that will not happen if criminals should decided not to be greedy and destructive. :P
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Many merchants are using Wi-iFi for credit card transactions.
And you know they are using WPA,rather then WPA2, because?
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Its a good thing I have WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES]!
ditto ;D
Here Here..... Cheer to WPA2 At least for now :P
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it doesnt effect me because i am using unsecure wireless with no encryption
or password
Why do you do that?
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Why do you do that?
name one reason not to?
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i am still not getting the "in russia" jokes
The correct format is "In Soviet Russia, the jokes get you", and it's a "Slashdot meme", although I daresay that won't mean much.
I once tried the "Junis, is that you?" one on Squall, but neither he nor anybody else on here got it.
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name one reason not to?
Removing the possibilty of someone using your bandwidth to do something illegal or embarassing which will be traced back to your IP address, maybe? (Child porn, pyramid schemes, spammng, forum trolling, breaking the DMCA in the USA, and libel occur to me)
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oh well
just tell the isp that i didnt do it
The correct format is "In Soviet Russia, the jokes get you", and it's a Slashdot meme, although I daresay that won't mean much.
I once tried the "Junis, is that you?" one on Squall, but neither he nor anybody else on here got it.
i never understand jokes
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oh well
just tell the isp that i didnt do it
You have much to learn, young one.
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oh well
just tell the isp that i didnt do iti never understand jokes
Now why doesn't that surprise me? Anyhow, you would not get the Junis one unless you are a Slashdot regular.
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You have much to learn, young one.
You never said a truer word.
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why are you double posting?
i dont know if computer news posts count torwds post count
i am very rarely at slash dot
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why are you double posting?
Who?
i dont know if computer news posts count torwds post count
Does it matter?
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Who?
you
Does it matter?
yes because i wonder if you are trying to get your post count up
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youyes because i wonder if you are trying to get your post count up
Please show me where I double posted, because I looked and I could not see anywhere.
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i didnt mean double posted
i mean post 2 in a row where you should have put it all in one
on this thread
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i didnt mean double posted
Well, why did you say so, and anyways any criticism at all is a bit rich coming from you. ::) So go pound sand, sonny.
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In total, you guys have probably filled 4 pages bitching at each other.
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In total, you guys have probably filled 4 pages bitching at each other.
I only see 2.
yes because i wonder if you are trying to get your post count up
Err? And how is this that relevant? Salmon Trout is listed at a mere fraction of the total posts they have made. (somewhere in the region of my post count, likely more).
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The original thread was about "WPA cracked."
Does any of this have anything to do with WPA?
Hey, is it really that easy to crack WPA? How?
The point is how fast you can crack a code. If it takes a day, a criminal will not bother. But under two minutes it is another matter.
As I said earlier, many retail merchants are NOT using updated security. This has been report in the industry media end even on TV programs.
Does anybody care? :'(
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I only see 2.
That's after some of the posts were deleted, or threads were moved to spam.
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Is WPA2-AES still uncrackable?