Computer Hope
Microsoft => Microsoft Windows => Windows 3.x/9x/ME => Topic started by: flatcroaker on April 23, 2009, 11:04:07 PM
-
Im running win 95 now . trying to install win 98se on my comp. installation screen starts ok but wont install. says i need win98 upgrade to continue and then uninstalls what it has completed and closes. what is the problem. do i need a installation cd for win 98 (first edition)?? i could sure use some help here thanks !!!
-
Where is this Win98 CD from ? ?
Does it say Microsoft all over it ? ?
It should boot properly and start the install...
-
Sounds like you cd is bad or your computer can't run 98. But why change to 98.
-
Win 98Se is an add on to Win 98. You must have 98 loaded before you can load 98SE. SE stands for "second addition".
Russ
-
Russ: are you kidding us? ???
SE stands for "second addition".
Really? ??? Did you not mean "second EDITION"? Or were the letters S and E not large enough clues for you? ::)
You must have 98 loaded before you can load 98SE.
No, not true! If I remember correctly, Win 98 SE was indeed a second edition, or issue, of Win98, and became the preferred of the two versions due to many corrections and improvements. (It was sort of like a service pack before Microsoft started issuing service packs.)
Many users upgraded to Win98 SE from Windows95, Windows 3.1, and DOS.
-
Look at this
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000186.htm
then this
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000569.htm
good luck!
-
the cd is oem. it starts to install and gets to the screen where it scans comp system , then a message appears , need win.95 upgrade cd to continue install. it auto uninstalls what it has started of new install and returns to oem install win98se screen . i dont have either 95 or 98 upgrade cd, i just have 98se oem cd . i thought i could install w/o those upgrades. is this possible ? thanks for your help
Where is this Win98 CD from ? ?
Does it say Microsoft all over it ? ?
It should boot properly and start the install...
-
Russ: are you kidding us? ???
Really? ??? Did you not mean "second EDITION"? Or were the letters S and E not large enough clues for you? ::)
No, not true! If I remember correctly, Win 98 SE was indeed a second edition, or issue, of Win98, and became the preferred of the two versions due to many corrections and improvements. (It was sort of like a service pack before Microsoft started issuing service packs.)
Many users upgraded to Win98 SE from Windows95, Windows 3.1, and DOS.
What Aegis? Have you never heard of Windows98SA? :P :P :P
But your memory does serve you correctly. There were discs for Windows 98 (full), Windows 98 upgrade, Windows 98SE (full), and Windows 98SE upgrade. All of them were capable of upgrading a 95 system to whatever respective version of 98 as far as I can remember.
-
He has a Win98SE Upgrade CD...
He DOES NOT have a Win95 CD...
This is why it will not work.
Win95 does not have to be installed but he will need a Win95 CD to put in when prompted....
Win3.1 floppies would work in this case also...
-
Its OEM and not a upgrade version....you need a freshly formatted hard drive for OEM installs....
-
This will not make a difference at all...and an OEM install can go on any clean partition...
He will still need a Win95 CD to put in when prompted or the install will not continue.
-
This will not make a difference at all...and an OEM install can go on any clean partition...
He will still need a Win95 CD to put in when prompted or the install will not continue.
Its not an upgrade CD! and yes a clean partition will work
-
According to his PM it is...shoulda been stated here.
-
According to his PM it is...shoulda been stated here.
quoted from above:
''i dont have either 95 or 98 upgrade cd, i just have 98se oem cd ''
(so if he left it out that the 98se oem cd is an upgrade then I understand.)
plus I thought it only asks for a CD when its an upgrade and no previous windows is installed. (clean install) ...So if its an upgrade then it should work fine going over the old OS if it is also OEM and qualified for upgrade.
-
If he doesn't have the original Win98FE CD then he can't upgrade from Win95 to 98SE.
This is not possible without first having Win98FE already on it.
-
Id jump to xp
-
Depending upon if his computer has high enough specs.
And besides you can not directly upgrade from 95 to XP.
You would have to do a complete format to install XP, since 95 is a 16/32Bit Hybrid compaired to XP's pure 32Bit.
(Remember the Sig, ;))
-
I know for the most part :-\
-
I know for the most part :-\
Not trying to badger you...Just saying
-
I know that your not ;D
-
He has a Win98SE Upgrade CD...
He DOES NOT have a Win95 CD...
This is why it will not work.
Win95 does not have to be installed but he will need a Win95 CD to put in when prompted....
Win3.1 floppies would work in this case also...
This is the situation...whether he's stated it here or not.
-
plus I thought it only asks for a CD when its an upgrade and no previous windows is installed. (clean install) ...So if its an upgrade then it should work fine going over the old OS if it is also OEM and qualified for upgrade.
-
plus I thought it only asks for a CD when its an upgrade and no previous windows is installed. (clean install) ...So if its an upgrade then it should work fine going over the old OS if it is also OEM and qualified for upgrade.
Read the entire thread...
-
If he doesn't have the original Win98FE CD then he can't upgrade from Win95 to 98SE.
This is not possible without first having Win98FE already on it.
Funny. I've never had a Win98FE CD and I was able to upgrade both windows 3.1 and windows 98 systems, as long as I had the install media for the installed OS.
I have also encountered some CDs that would not perform an install at all if any other OS was present.
-
i have a new win98se oem cd w/codes and manual. no 95 or 98fe cd !! im running win 95 now .can it b installed w/o win 98fe being installed first? simple question i thought for someone w/lots experience. i was told at purchase it would install w/o problems. so seller lied to me ? department store purchase. i should have checked before i bought. do i need to take a poll ? or blow up the dept store ? i hate being taken advantage of like this now im stuck with a 98se cd i cant use ,it sounds like to me. anyone got a match ? got a 98 fe cd laying round ? >:( >:( :o :( :-[ :-\ !! GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN !!!!
-
Look at this
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000186.htm
then this
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000569.htm
good luck!
did you do that?
-
Funny. I've never had a Win98FE CD and I was able to upgrade both windows 3.1 and windows 98 systems, as long as I had the install media for the installed OS.
I have also encountered some CDs that would not perform an install at all if any other OS was present.
Huh...Usually I would kinda make sense to go from 95 to 98FE then to 98SE, but then again didn't have the 95 CD :D
-
You can go from Win95 straight to Win98SE...it doesn't matter.
Matter of fact you can go from Win3.1 straight to Win98SE...
-
I got lost here. Unless he really needs 98 like I did, I would just get xp since it can run alot of that older stuff mostly.
-
I got lost here. Unless he really needs 98 like I did, I would just get xp since it can run alot of that older stuff mostly.
That's what I would do, but still if the specs don't meet XP's requirements then he's out of luck on that.
-
aside from more ram I think he's okay
-
Proccessor Speed, HD space...yea he may be able to run it on minimum req.
But it would be kinda pointless...
-
This is a machine originally designed for windows 95.
Windows XP will run slowly without extensive upgrades to RAM, processor, and video components.
-
But it would run it.
-
This is a machine originally designed for windows 95.
Windows XP will run slowly without extensive upgrades to RAM, processor, and video components.
Heck might even just replace the motherboard while your at it. ;)
-
easier to get a new machine then
-
Which all makes your point moot.
-
i know
-
So why suggest it then ? ?
-
xp well run on an 95 comp, i've run it on an old 486 and a p1 so if its at leest a p2 then no problem,(runs just as good a 98 on a p2)
the problem comes with hdd space you need at lest 3 gig of hdd
1 gig to load xp
1 gig to hold all the windows fixes
and 1 gig for all the other apps needed to run it
-
hmmmm... In case he wanted to do it that way.
-
If he wants to get Win98Se then so be it, all he needs is the Win98SE installation CD.
no CD, no 98
End of story.
-
xp well run on an 95 comp, i've run it on an old 486 and a p1 so if its at leest a p2 then no problem,(runs just as good a 98 on a p2)
the problem comes with hdd space you need at lest 3 gig of hdd
1 gig to load xp
1 gig to hold all the windows fixes
and 1 gig for all the other apps needed to run it
XP refuses to install on anything less then a pentium with MMX.
recommended RAM for Windows 95 is 4MB.
recommended RAM for Windows XP is 256MB.
And windows 98 will ALWAYS be faster on a pentium 2. You are vending lies.
Windows 95 will install/run on any 386 or higher processor. XP will NOT install on a 486.
-
I know :(
-
I know :(
You were the 1st to start encouraging installing XP...so you're not off the hook that easy just by saying "i know"......
::)
-
darn.... he know my plans to donimate the world by having xp every were.
-
:) Igot it ! Formatted a hard disk and used xp. no 95,98fe or 98se. dont have oem cd but i can fix that later thx! 8)
-
Wow!
Kinda shocked to hear that, but if it works then great 8)
-
For as much as we gripe about Windows, it has a history of running on systems on which it's not "supposed" to run.
-
No pictures...= it didn't happen.
-
I could of sworn I saw it running on a cola bottle. I was impressed, considering how little germanium and silicon is in a cola bottle.
-
i am surprised that he even took my advice at all. its just that those os are old and not much support any more.
-
Wonder if they can port Win95 to Iphone ;D
-
No Bluetooth support.... ;D
::)
-
Then Win98, at least the Iphone has USB ;)
-
if you can find a driver.
-
Hey, if they got Doom 2 to Ipod then Win98 to Iphone will be cake :D
But yea, it would be kinda hard, but if they make it as an app, not a complete firmware replacement to the Iphone's original Firmware
-
ah what if you have to flash the bios? cause its would be slower since that usb is older then what todays are.
-
ah what if you have to flash the bios? cause its would be slower since that usb is older then what todays are.
What have these things got to do with each other?
-
That it would take twice as long heck if I know was just thinking of some way that it may not really work.
-
I pretty much ment that they have an app that just changes the Iphone's main menu to look like a Windows destop screen with "My Iphone" as the my computer replacement ;)
-
oh :o
-
XP refuses to install on anything less then a pentium with MMX.
recommended RAM for Windows 95 is 4MB.
recommended RAM for Windows XP is 256MB.
And windows 98 will ALWAYS be faster on a pentium 2. You are vending lies.
Windows 95 will install/run on any 386 or higher processor. XP will NOT install on a 486.
who told u xp would not run on an old 486 as for ram rigfht now i'am at 32mb on this notebook an xp-3 is running fine
all u need is at lest 2gig of disk space to install
i put it in an old toshub 305 (486) notebook an it worked fine
-
Nobody told me. I just extended the error message from setup, "Windows XP cannot be installed with your processor configuration" as a indication that it won't work.
Also, XP setup refuses to proceed with less then 64 MB of RAM.
UNLESS of course your using a illegitimate copy, which is a different scenario altogether.
Nobody TOLD me these things. I've tried. And it wasn't a "slow" 486, it was a 120 Mhz DX-2. with 32MB of ram, pretty much the same as your laptop's configuration.
So then I implore you to guess as to why windows setup refused to install? And don't say "disk space" of which there was far more then the 1.5GB XP requires. (not 2GB as you've said- minimum can even go down to around 900MB if necessary).
And even in the case it COULD install, the resulting OS would be unusably slow.
Lastly, a Toshiba 305 is a P3 machine.
I personally was able to get XP installed on my K6-2 via an upgrade install from windows 98SE. I needed to borrow memory since it refused to upgrade because I had less then 64MB of RAM.
I removed the RAM and returned it to it's owner afterward. The computer required the shutdown of almost ALL services and background tasks simply to run, and it's pagefile bloated to epic proportions, consuming almost 3GB of my 8GB drive.
Performance was not acceptable in this situation but being that I had no way to backup and simply reformat back to windows 98SE (and I hadn't been able to save uninstall information due to insufficient diskspace) I lived with it.
Upping the RAM to 128, 256, and finally 512MB made it a far more usable machine. In no way would I consider 32MB of ram for ANY machine running windows XP. to insist otherwise is ridiculous; there are other operating systems far more fit to run under such memory limitations, just as other Operating systems are more suited to older processors. the fact that it may be possible to force XP to install on such unsuitable machines is no the issue- it's performance.
Sure, with determination and a lot of spare time one could use switches, or even manual methods, to install XP onto a 486 with 32MB of RAM. but the purposes of such a pursuit can only be curiousity. to even suggest that such a configuration can be palatable to anybody is to portray your own inexperience on the issue.
-
I concur but I thought that you at least had to have 256 and I could probably do that on my other 486 given that it needs a drive but maybe.
-
Sure, with determination and a lot of spare time one could use switches, or even manual methods, to install XP onto a 486 with 32MB of RAM. but the purposes of such a pursuit can only be curiousity. to even suggest that such a configuration can be palatable to anybody is to portray your own inexperience on the issue.
You betcha! Two years ago, I installed XP my old Casio Data Bank watch I got when I was 12 years old! Sure it had like 25kb of storage and absolutely no RAM, but who needs those things anyway?!
-
??? you dont ram so much but ???
-
yeah doods I god Vista running on my can of tomato juice! it ROXORs!
-
Nobody told me. I just extended the error message from setup, "Windows XP cannot be installed with your processor configuration" as a indication that it won't work.
Also, XP setup refuses to proceed with less then 64 MB of RAM.
UNLESS of course your using a illegitimate copy, which is a different scenario altogether.
Nobody TOLD me these things. I've tried. And it wasn't a "slow" 486, it was a 120 Mhz DX-2. with 32MB of ram, pretty much the same as your laptop's configuration.
So then I implore you to guess as to why windows setup refused to install? And don't say "disk space" of which there was far more then the 1.5GB XP requires. (not 2GB as you've said- minimum can even go down to around 900MB if necessary).
And even in the case it COULD install, the resulting OS would be unusably slow.
Lastly, a Toshiba 305 is a P3 machine.
I personally was able to get XP installed on my K6-2 via an upgrade install from windows 98SE. I needed to borrow memory since it refused to upgrade because I had less then 64MB of RAM.
I removed the RAM and returned it to it's owner afterward. The computer required the shutdown of almost ALL services and background tasks simply to run, and it's pagefile bloated to epic proportions, consuming almost 3GB of my 8GB drive.
Performance was not acceptable in this situation but being that I had no way to backup and simply reformat back to windows 98SE (and I hadn't been able to save uninstall information due to insufficient diskspace) I lived with it.
Upping the RAM to 128, 256, and finally 512MB made it a far more usable machine. In no way would I consider 32MB of ram for ANY machine running windows XP. to insist otherwise is ridiculous; there are other operating systems far more fit to run under such memory limitations, just as other Operating systems are more suited to older processors. the fact that it may be possible to force XP to install on such unsuitable machines is no the issue- it's performance.
Sure, with determination and a lot of spare time one could use switches, or even manual methods, to install XP onto a 486 with 32MB of RAM. but the purposes of such a pursuit can only be curiousity. to even suggest that such a configuration can be palatable to anybody is to portray your own inexperience on the issue.
a 305 cdx is a 486 the newer 305-4658's are p3 and p4
-
a 305 cdx is a 486 the newer 305-4658's are p3 and p4
HuH ? ?
Stop digging.
-
I agree
-
toshiba satellite pro 490cdt p2 @266 32meg ran expandable to 32 meg
10.4 gig hdd running xp just fine (its slow but it no slower then 2000)
installed from an xp upgrade disk
-
funny, I have a Satellite Pro 440CDX and my attempt to install XP failed. 133Mhz Pentium 1, 144MB of RAM. Tried it ages ago. I was bored.
satellite pro 490cdt p2
that's not a 386 or a 486.
Windows XP will NOT install onto a 486 architecture based CPU! a Pentium processor is the MINIMUM requisite for processor specifications!
-
Must of been a pirated copy ;)
-
Must of been a pirated copy ;)
That's possible, I'm sure with a bunch of pointless tweaks and changes XP could be forced to run on a sub-requirement PC.
the question is, to what end?
-
there probably isnt much of one. thats what I was thinking but before i got to post my browser crashed.
-
I'm sure with a bunch of pointless tweaks and changes XP could be forced to run on a sub-requirement PC.
Windows XP uses a processor instruction, CMPXCHG8B, that is not found in processors prior to the Pentium I.
-
you mean like pro? i didnt learn the earlier ones so much.
-
you mean like pro? i didnt learn the earlier ones so much.
I mean the original 1993 Pentium 1. Actually, it was never called a "Pentium One" it was just a Pentium.
By the way, for a while in the 1990s you could buy Pentium Overdrive cpus that fitted in a 486 socket, and these did have the CMPXCHG8B instruction, so you could install XP on a system with one of these, provided you could get enough RAM installed.
-
Windows XP uses a processor instruction, CMPXCHG8B, that is not found in processors prior to the Pentium I.
So I was right originally ;D
I was pretty sure it was a missing instruction.
And of course- a 486 with a pentium overdrive isn't a 486 anymore, since the overdrive chip disables the main CPU and takes over- so the system would be a pentium machine, for all intents and purposes. (probably with a sub-par motherboard, though)
-
(probably with a sub-par motherboard, though)
Hey, we don't talk about your motherboard! ::)
-
Hey, we don't talk about your motherboard! ::)
¡Tu placa madre también!
-
But any ways, I don't think it would be worth it to install XP on such an old rig, would be soooo slow.
I mean if a mother board is designed for Win98, would you install Vista on it(just say it was possible)?
-
¡Tu placa madre también!
Thank you very much! ;)
-
Your mom sheild also?
Sorry still in Spanish I :P
-
It is still a 486. I dont know how you think that else.... you can have a pent a or celeron and it be a 370 the difference is clock speed. Fiesta in pantalonis.
-
It is still a 486. I dont know how you think that else....
sigh.
some 486 computer have a "pentium overdrive" CPU slot.
when you put the PENTIUM processor in that slot, the 486 processor is DISABLED. the 486 processor is NO LONGER USED AT ALL. the main processor is a PENTIUM.
any incongruities there?
-
Ironic that we've entered the grey area of actually proving the point of someone who's point was refuted to begin with...that a 486 will not accept an XP install...
Anyhow...carry on.
-
not really, the original post:
xp well run on an 95 comp, i've run it on an old 486 and a p1 so if its at leest a p2 then no problem,(runs just as good a 98 on a p2)
the problem comes with hdd space you need at lest 3 gig of hdd
1 gig to load xp
1 gig to hold all the windows fixes
and 1 gig for all the other apps needed to run it
here it says they ran it on a 486. complete lie.
-
Your mom sheild also?
Sorry still in Spanish I :P
It's a joke:
Somebody else wrote "Hey, we don't talk about your motherboard!" In Hispanic cultures people, especially teenagers, often trade insults about each other's mothers. A "placa madre" is a motherboard in Spanish. "Y tu mama también" is a teen expression common in Mexico which means "and your mama also". It is also the title of a well known Mexican film starring Gael Garcia Bernal. I combined the 2 phrases.
-
U can't change W95 to W98 directly. If W97 to W98, its OK. Clean installation is the best way i think..
-
there is no windows 97...
And you CAN.
Windows 98 can be upgraded directly over Windows 95 or windows 3.1. I've done it, so don't try to debate otherwise.
-
Windows 97. The forgotten version. ::)
(http://www2.cny.ne.jp/yp0104/index/windows/win97.jpg)
-
not really, the original post:
here it says they ran it on a 486. complete lie.
Yeah, here's an interesting article about some guys who tried to push the minimum requirements for XP. They did manage to get it work with a Pentium Overdrive, but never managed on a 486 alone.
http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm (http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm)
there is no windows 97...
Actually, there was. Originally, Windows 98 was to be Windows 97 (since its release was expected in 97 and not 98). While it was never publicly released, it did exist. A copy of an early version of Windows 97 was somehow leaked and floating around the pirate markets here in Asia. Originally codenamed Windows Nashville, it was also known as Windows 96 for a time (as it was originally to be released as an upgrade to 95 available in 1996).
-=EDIT=-
Managed to find an old news article on it.
http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/16633/windows-97-in-beta.html
And another:
http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/16639/windows-97-alpha-released-no-active-themes.html
-
wait a second- windows 98 was memphis... ???
-
wait a second- windows 98 was memphis... ???
Right, it was changed to Memphis when the release of 97 was scrapped, redeveloped, and finally released in 1998 as Windows 98. It would be my guess that the version on the pirated markets here was more or less 95 with the 97 beta upgrade. I've never found any clear explanation of exactly what the plan was or why 97 got scrapped. However, a lot of the planned features for 97, like Active Desktop, finally went into 98. There are a lot of stories out there about how all of this went down, hard to tell which are accurate though.
-
After a bit more digging, seems I need to correct myself.
Nashville was to be Windows 96. This is the version that was canceled.
Memphis was to be Windows 97, but the release date was pushed into 1998, therefore the name was changed.
As to the version on the pirate markets, while labeled 97, it's unclear if those were modded 95 versions with the 96 upgrade or early versions of 98 when it was still called 97. As I don't have a copy of it, I can't look at it and see.
I did see a few days ago that Windows 7 RC is already on the pirate market though. That was fast. But that's how that stuff goes over here.
-
whew, I was confused there.
a lot of MSDN articles from as early as late 96 were referring to "memphis".
I remember seeing some scattered references to "nashville" but never really considered what it was.
-
wait a second- windows 98 was memphis... ???
And Windows ME was Knoxville :D
It's a joke:
Somebody else wrote "Hey, we don't talk about your motherboard!" In Hispanic cultures people, especially teenagers, often trade insults about each other's mothers. A "placa madre" is a motherboard in Spanish. "Y tu mama también" is a teen expression common in Mexico which means "and your mama also". It is also the title of a well known Mexican film starring Gael Garcia Bernal. I combined the 2 phrases.
So its basically Ditto in Spanish?
-
So its basically Ditto in Spanish?
It works like this: someone says "You suck!" or the equivalent, (either in fun or seriously), and you say "And so does your mother!"
There is a whole genre of "Yo mama" insults that Americans know about.
-
::) that was an old fad.
-
...but quite alive and well in some circles. ::)
-
its like saing that the 70 will come back.
-
It works like this: someone says "You suck!" or the equivalent, (either in fun or seriously), and you say "And so does your mother!"
There is a whole genre of "Yo mama" insults that Americans know about.
Ahh..I'll keep that in mind.
But anywho, the question for the original intent of this topic was answered earlier so we should lock it or again like Patio said "Let it die naturally" ;)
-
That we should.