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Title: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 17, 2008, 06:28:26 PM
I have a custom built PC - about 4 years old, running XP home.  The system centers on a Gigabyte motherboard, with on-board graphics.  The graphics unit apparently took a hit from a surge or something, and now does not output a signal.  Do any of you hardware folks out there know whether it is feasible, or perhaps too expensive, to replace the graphics module?  The module is soldered to the motherboard, and is located immediately behind the VGA output port.  Thus, there are no cables to be checked/replaced, and no other connections to be responsible for the lack of output.  It just appears that the module is not working.  The PC and all its other components appear to be in good shape.  Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: patio on September 17, 2008, 07:53:43 PM
It's normally not cost effective as you need above average soldering skills to do this...
Coupled with the fact that A) a replacement chip may be hard to find and
B) Onboard video doesn't come close to the quality of video cards i would say no...
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 17, 2008, 08:21:24 PM
Patio:

Thanks for the reply.  Am I correct in thinking that, if I can find a PCI graphics board for the one empty slot I have, all I need to do is plug in the card and forget the onboard graphics thingie?
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: JJ 3000 on September 17, 2008, 08:35:07 PM
You have to disable the onboard graphics in BIOS. Then install your GPU's driver.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 17, 2008, 08:42:36 PM
Well - I figured it would be necessary to disable the onboard graphics output - but I will first have to put the new graphics board in, then boot up, using the new card, BEFORE I can see the BIOS to disable the onboard stuff.  If I can see to do so, I'll disable the onboard graphics before I install the new board's driver.  Anything else?

Thanks.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: JJ 3000 on September 17, 2008, 08:45:34 PM
You should be able to do that.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 17, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
Thanks JJ 3000.  Wish me luck.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: Broni on September 17, 2008, 09:03:41 PM
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You have to disable the onboard graphics in BIOS
Most newer video cards will do this automatically.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: patio on September 17, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
You wouldn't know it for how many times it gets recommended here.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 18, 2008, 04:10:56 AM
Broni:

That's reassuring - and what a logical thing to do - cutting off the onboard graphics automatically. 

Thanks to all who posted.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 18, 2008, 05:55:33 PM
Well - I have a brand new Radeon 9250 PCI card installed.  Trouble is - it apparently does NOT automatically switch off the onboard graphics, nor does it activate graphics from the PCI bus.  I get no display at all - so I can't get to the BIOS to set the necessary switches.  What a catch 22 - can't get a display without setting the BIOS; can't set the BIOS without a display.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to a way out of this mess?
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: Broni on September 18, 2008, 06:13:07 PM
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it apparently does NOT automatically switch off the onboard graphics
I doubt, this is correct diagnosis. I think, you may have some other problem (mobo?), since it "took a hit from a surge or something".
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 18, 2008, 06:18:50 PM
That's a VERY discouraging thought, Broni.  Since the machine appears to actually boot up in every respect I can discern (non-visually of course), I have assumed that the problem was just the graphics module.  The PC (including the onboard graphics) worked perfectly a couple of days ago.  It was disconnected, transported back to its owner, hooked up, and, ta-da, no display whatever.  No prior warning or symptom of any hardware problem.  Is there any simple way to isolate the problem without a display?  Anyone?
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: patio on September 18, 2008, 06:46:16 PM
Unplug all power to the machine and remove a side panel...
Make sure you are grounded by touching/holding the case.
Re-seat the RAM and any add on cards that are connected,
Double check all drive connectors.
For now leave the side panel off...re-connect power and boot up,
Any change ? ?
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: Broni on September 18, 2008, 06:50:31 PM
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That's a VERY discouraging thought, Broni.
It was simply a thought. I hope, I'm wrong.
See, what happens with patio's advice...
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: veritasffg on September 18, 2008, 07:49:48 PM
Patio:

If you were here, I'd plant a big wet one on you.  I did as you suggested, and the new display still wouldn't, well, display.  But I knew even before I tried it - I hooked up the on board display, and there it was.  Apparently, I may have been right about a little jolt of static electricity during connection/disconnection being the problem - except that it didn't break the onboard display module - simply locked it up.  I thought I had had everything audio/video/ and computer-related lock up at one time or another, but this is the first time for a computer monitor.  Anyways, thanks so much for coming thru for me once again.  You should publish your own little list of things to try when all else fails.

Thanks to all who participated.
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: Broni on September 18, 2008, 07:52:46 PM
Nice one, patio :)
Title: Re: On Board Graphics output broken - Is repair feasible?
Post by: xavier on September 18, 2008, 07:57:50 PM
Replace the board