Computer Hope
Hardware => Hardware => Topic started by: UncleAaron on May 31, 2010, 07:06:18 AM
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I'm trying to remove a hard drive from an old computer system, and want to give the computer to a friend. Here's my problem. I've gone into CMOS to remove the drive, I know that the primary hard drive the one that has the OS is drive 0. I've set drive 1 to show OFF, the secondary drive 0 is the CD-ROM/DVD reader. I never touched the drive 0, parameters because that's the drive with the OS.
I then removed the cables off the drive I want to take out, save the information in CMOS, and exit. When the computer starts to boot, it just hangs. If I leave the cables on, WinXP sees the drive. I'm guessing there is something I'm missing???
Does anyone have any ideas?
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What happens if you have the computer off / disconnect the drive you want to remove / reboot / go into the BIOS. Does the removed drive still show?
Alan <>< :D
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I then removed the cables off the drive I want to take out, save the information in CMOS, and exit.
You unplugged the drive while the machine was powered up and running?
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There actually is no reason to even attempt editing the BIOS info...with the machine powered down disconnect the drive.
Upon re-boot the BIOS should have no reference to it at all...
It's still unclear to me what your attempting...
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Good catch Salmon Trout...i missed that.
No wonder he is now having boot issues...
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What happens if you have the computer off / disconnect the drive you want to remove / reboot / go into the BIOS. Does the removed drive still show?
Alan <>< :D
It hangs on the boot screen.
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You unplugged the drive while the machine was powered up and running?
No. I waited until the machine was completely off.
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Unplug all power to the machine.
Remove the CMOS battery for 5 minutes.
Replace the battery and power up.
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There were 2 hard drives on this machine, yes? (IDE or SATA?)
If IDE, jumpered how? master/slave? cable select?
One held the operating system; you removed the other, yes?
The CD/DVD drive is connected how? (i.e. is it on another IDE channel?)
What drives show up in the bios?
What happens if you put back the drive you took out?
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Unplug all power to the machine.
Remove the CMOS battery for 5 minutes.
Replace the battery and power up.
Ok. I followed your request, and I have the CMOS up on screen:
Primary Drive 0: Unknown Device
Primary Drive 1: Unknown Device
Secondary Drive 0: Unknown Device
Secondary Drive 1: Unknown Device
If I go to change these myself, it won't let me.
I now doesn't recognize the CD/DVD drive, and I have done nothing to it.
Also, the boot sequence is "floppy drive" and the CD/DVD and Hard Drive are NOT listed.
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There were 2 hard drives on this machine, yes? (IDE or SATA?)
If IDE, jumpered how? master/slave? cable select?
One held the operating system; you removed the other, yes?
The CD/DVD drive is connected how? (i.e. is it on another IDE channel?)
What drives show up in the bios?
What happens if you put back the drive you took out?
There are 2 IDE drives, and I'm removing the secondary one. The drive I'm leaving in, is configured to be the master. The CD/DVD drive is on another cable.
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This is an old machine... how certain are you there is any juice left in the cmos battery? Are the IDE ribbon cables OK, not cracked or split?
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This is an old machine... how certain are you there is any juice left in the cmos battery? Are the IDE ribbon cables OK, not cracked or split?
I changed the cable to the HD's when I installed the secondary drive, which was 2004. I see no cracks in the cables. The system is 8 1/2 year old.
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Perhaps the motherboard and/or the psu just died?
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Replace the ribbon cable with a new one.
Then re-boot...enter Setup and run the HDD detector in the BIOS...
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Perhaps the motherboard and/or the psu just died?
I hooked the secondary drive back up, and CMOS now sees both hard drives, and the CD/DVD drive.
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And you disconnect it and everything happens like before?
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Replace the ribbon cable with a new one.
Then re-boot...enter Setup and run the HDD detector in the BIOS...
My jumpers look like this:
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The bold colons are the ones that have jumpers. Should I 1) move them; 2) leave them alone. Could this be the problem??
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And you disconnect it and everything happens like before?
Could you please use quotes so I know what info you are referring to? Thanks?
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Could you please use quotes so I know what info you are referring to? Thanks?
I considered quoting unnecessary since my post immediately followed yours, but if it makes things easier for you to comprehend...
You:
I hooked the secondary drive back up, and CMOS now sees both hard drives, and the CD/DVD drive.
Me, immediately after:
And you disconnect it and everything happens like before?
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My jumpers look like this:
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The bold colons are the ones that have jumpers. Should I 1) move them; 2) leave them alone. Could this be the problem??
Do you mean that both drives are jumpered identically?
Drive makers sometimes use different schemes; the label on the drive should make things clear. What brand(s) and model numbers are the drives? You show 5 colons... do you have 10 or 9 pin jumper blocks, because your diagram looks like 9 pin jumpered for cable select.
THis is a Western Digital jumper diagram - (WD have special settings if only 1 drive is on the cable)
(http://studynotes.net/images/wd-jumpers.gif)
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Do you mean that both drives are jumpered identically?
Drive makers sometimes use different schemes; the label on the drive should make things clear. What brand(s) and model numbers are the drives? You show 5 colons... do you have 10 or 9 pin jumper blocks, because your diagram looks like 9 pin jumpered for cable select.
THis is a Western Digital jumper diagram - (WD have special settings if only 1 drive is on the cable)
(http://studynotes.net/images/wd-jumpers.gif)
The secondary has a fixed jumper on the top portion of the jumper, and the primary is the one shown in my diagram (cable select).
I have another question? As far as the cable hook up. On the end where you hook the cable to the drives--the cable I'm using has a gray connector and a black connector. The black connector is at the end of the cable, and the gray connector is on the inside of the cable connectors. The primary is hooked to the black and the secondary is hooked to the gray one. Which one should I use to get the computer to recognize only one of the drives, so it will boot into WinXP without the second hard drive?
As far as the quoting...the only reason I asked that was at the beginning there were 2 or 3 people commenting and I only wanted to avoid confusion. I wasn't trying to be a smart a**. Sorry if I came off the wrong way.
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Take over Salmon...too many cooks here so i'll bow out.
AAron you're in good hands...
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Thanks patio!
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If you have a 40 wire cable then the master is the middle connector. With an 80 wire cable, blue/grey/black, the drive attached to the remote end - black - connector is master and the drive attached to the intermediate - grey - ("gray" in the US) connector is the slave, and the blue end goes in the motherboard. I would suggest changing the single drive to the "single" postion, and seeing what happens then.
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I GOT IT ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
When I had the drive out I noticed on top of the drive, that it shouldn't have ANY jumpers for a single drive system. I took the 80-pin and re-inserted the 40-pin and voila!!!
Thanks for the help from patio and Salmon Trout.
Hope you guys have a Happy Memorial Day.
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We don't have Memorial Day where I live, but I'll have a nice day anyhow, and thanks for the wish. Glad you are up and running again!