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Software => BSD, Linux, and Unix => Topic started by: Geek-9pm on October 30, 2011, 10:00:58 AM

Title: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: Geek-9pm on October 30, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
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The best Linux distro of 2011!
 August 4th 2011
Fedora, Mint, Arch, Ubuntu, Debian and OpenSUSE go head-to-head - we've dropped the six most popular Linux distributions of the day into a cage fight for your affections. Read on to discover which distro comes up top for installation ease, customisation, performance, security and more. Which flavour of Linux gets the gold medal? You might very well be surprised, so read on for all the juicy details...

http://tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011

How can that be! Do you agree? Who even cares?
Just because something is popular it does not make it best.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: BC_Programmer on October 30, 2011, 10:02:16 AM
Wow. that is immensely stupid.

EDIT:

let me explain.

The problem, I see, with many Linux distributions is that they are constantly comparing themselves with one another "we have feature X like distro Y" type stuff. That's the wrong way to go about it.

Consider the people who use the distribution as if they were "customers"; and really, they are; they are spending their time on your product. In that sense, you should be listening to your customers, not to your competitors. If a customer wants Feature X like it exists in distro Y, they will let you know. If they don't, you'll have saved yourself development time to spend on the things they do want.

Also, a lot of Linux distributions seem to be in the same wide market of being a "general purpose desktop". But how many try to forge a niche? Forging a niche that is designed  for what about 10% of users wants means you'll end up getting that 10%, and your competitors fight over the remaining 90%. For example; Chrome OS is basically a niche distribution, it is a relatively limited environment designed specifically for web access. Google learned this by looking at it's prospective customers, and what they needed, and only then comparing those needs with what was available. They attempted to corner it. the constant complaints about Chrome OS not being a good environment for a desktop- they are true, but they miss the point. It's not supposed to be a replacement for your standard Windows, Linux, or OSX desktop- it's cornering a small market segment, and the fact is that the people complaining about it do not matter because they aren't part of it.

Software is about what your customers want, not what your competitors give.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: nickgr5 on October 30, 2011, 05:11:48 PM
For me, there's no "best distribution". Each one has it's advantages and drawbacks. The good thing about Linux is that there's the ability to choose, so that I can select the distribution which best suits me. Anyways, we should start thinking like we are part of the same community, no matter which distribution we are using; then we will understand that every distro is to be respected.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: maxum on November 19, 2011, 05:12:20 PM
Anyway, only developers/programmers can find themselves in a Linux system. It is too complicated! Compare the number of file of any Linux system with any Windows
os. Linux have like ~ 2000 files and windows have ~ 300 files.
And Linux software is hard to find.


If you're not a software specialist, take Windows or Mac.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: JJ 3000 on November 20, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
Anyway, only developers/programmers can find themselves in a Linux system. It is too complicated!

Oh really? My parents are in their 60s and their computer runs Linux. They had never had a computer before about two years ago. They asked me if I could give them one for emails and to pay their bills online. I deliberately gave them a computer with Linux so I didn't have to go over there every other week to remove viruses. They had never really used Windows before, so they didn't know the difference. Once they learned how to use their computer, they got along just fine with it. Don't get me wrong, I still get calls from them asking how to do this or that, but they took to it very easily. So, it's not just for programmers, it can also be for retirees with no prior experience using computers.

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And Linux software is hard to find.
I disagree. By using repositories, they've made it very easy to find software, easier than windows by far.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: BC_Programmer on November 20, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
Compare the number of file of any Linux system with any Windows
os. Linux have like ~ 2000 files and windows have ~ 300 files.
This is downright wrong. My Windows folder on this computer has 102,467 files. A somewhat clean install of XP has around 4 thousand or so files in the windows folder; and that isn't counting the other folders it makes, for user profiles and whatnot. The number of files a system happens to contain isn't really relevant to how easy or difficult it is to use. After all, if  that was the case, the easiest computer to use would be one with nothing on it at all.

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And Linux software is hard to find.
That's just silly. It's all right there in the Package Manager. The downside being that the versions in the package manager are often far behind the latest versions. But there is a package manager. What I think confuses people is that most Linux programs have to be distributed as source, and I have to agree that ./make install, ./configure, ./make are a bit less user-friendly than just having an installer program (which appears to be somewhat atypical when it comes to Linux applications outside package managers, of which there are almost as many flavours as  their are distros.)

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If you're not a software specialist, take Windows or Mac.
That is just silly.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: Geek-9pm on November 20, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
People use Linux if it fits their needs.
The nlink below is usefull.
And les polemic. And more logical.
Linux Distributions: How to Choose One (http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/a/distros.htm)

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Red Hat Linux has been around for a while and has acquired a reputation for consistency and reliability. It may not be the easiest to use or the most cutting-edge distribution, but it provides the type of high-quality support that is valued by companies, which made it the de-facto standard in corporate America.

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Knoppix provides an excellent run-from-CD solution, with its powerful hardware detection features and pain-free set-up. If desired, the system can be optionally installed on the hard disk to improve performance. It also comes with plenty of software.

Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: maxum on November 28, 2011, 05:49:18 PM
~~Close my foodtrap next time~~
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: kimsland on November 28, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
I prefer Knoppix myself http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: JJ 3000 on November 28, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
I prefer Knoppix myself http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Isn't Knoppix mainly just meant to be used as a live CD though? Have you installed it on your hard drive?
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: kimsland on November 28, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
Once for about an hour or so.
Ended up removing it and sticking to the 'LiveCD'
Subject was 'Best Linux', hope that included BootCDs as well.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: JJ 3000 on November 28, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
Subject was 'Best Linux', hope that included BootCDs as well.

Sure. I guess those count.

Why do you prefer Knopixx over other live CDs?
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: kimsland on November 28, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
I actually created my own personal one.
It has the Boot part and a Windows gui menu part (for autorun inside Windows)
It took me months to make! peeerfectly.

But if I suggest to users to download a BootCd I always recommend, easy to use, knoppix.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: maxum on December 10, 2011, 07:56:08 PM
I'm using Open SUSE.
What I was saying lately is:
1- A bad file number evaluation.
2- Difficulties getting started with it, since I was an MS-DOS user.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: BC_Programmer on December 10, 2011, 08:05:33 PM
What I was saying lately is:
1- A bad file number evaluation.
What does this mean? (if it's about the number of files in the Operating System, that's a moot point since it both doesn't matter and is hardly inconsistent with other Operating Systems)
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: maxum on December 10, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
That's what I'm talking about:
Windows didn't find all the files because I've forgot to search for hidden files, since a big part of my files were hidden.
Don't ask why they were hidden. I don't know.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: BC_Programmer on December 10, 2011, 08:47:25 PM
That's what I'm talking about:
Windows didn't find all the files because I've forgot to search for hidden files, since a big part of my files were hidden.
Don't ask why they were hidden. I don't know.

What does windows have to do with OpenSUSE and bad file evaluations?
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: maxum on December 10, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
Sorry...
Very sorry...
About the trio post...
I didn't notice it was on another page.
anyway...
It isn't like the end of the world.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: Geek-9pm on December 10, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Sorry...Very sorry...
...
It isn't like the end of the world.
End of the world will be a topic for next year. 8)
Meanwhile, there is time to try many Linux bistros.*
They now have it down to:
 "Lean Linux in Ten minutes".
http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html
Hurry! time is running out!   ;D

* The spell checker keeps changing 'distros' to bistros.
Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: ThomasTheXPUser on December 11, 2011, 03:47:38 PM
Learn unix in ten minutes? No way you can master the terminal in ten minutes.

On the best linux: I'm not surprised. Debian has advanced when it comes to usability. Some users will never run a terminal window, and can still do basic tasks.

Title: Re: Best Linux of 2011. -What?
Post by: Quantos on December 11, 2011, 04:08:36 PM
Learn unix in ten minutes? No way you can master the terminal in ten minutes.

Especially Unix, it's quite different from Linux flavors.

<edit> I know, probably master of the obvious again.  ;) </edit>