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Title: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 12:33:33 PM
HP Pavillion a1520n/XP Media Center Edition 2005

PC seemed to work fine yesterday. Son said it "froze" last night so he shut it down by holding in the power button. Today when I tried to boot it, it takes me to a black screen that says "we apologize for the inconvenience, but Windows did not start successfully....." When I try to start it normally, it just goes through some processes and then comes back to the same window. When I choose "safe mode" it runs through some processes and comes back to the same window.

Please help!

Thanks, Karol
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: sagebrush on January 03, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
Do you have a current back up???
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 01:03:28 PM
Unfortunately...not!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: sagebrush on January 03, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
How about an XP install disk?
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 01:24:23 PM
I have the recovery disks (that I made) but don't want to do a reformat
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: prosportal on January 03, 2010, 03:13:13 PM
Unfortunately, most restore disks are equipped with a .SIF file which tells windows how to install. Auto partitioning and formatting is generally included as well. If you can manage to find a clean install disk, you can dual partition, yet retain your old files.

You may also download Linux Ubuntu from another PC and use the live OS from disk to retreive your files.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 03:21:42 PM
I have NOOO idea how to do any of that!  I would need step by step instructions.  I do have access to a second pc...but it runs vista, not xp media.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: prosportal on January 03, 2010, 03:32:22 PM
You may be better off having a computer savy friend help you out, but here's the nitty gritty

Reinstall Windows Without Losing Data (http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/2109p156id111652.htm)

Recovering Files with Ubuntu (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/use-ubuntu-live-cd-to-backup-files-from-your-dead-windows-computer/)

Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: sagebrush on January 03, 2010, 03:51:53 PM
If you don't have a windows install disk choice 1 won't help. Use choice 2 to recover any data you didn't have backed that you can afford to lose. All idea's I had involved an installation disk.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 04:55:20 PM
Unfortunately...I don't want to lose ANY data!  I have about 2000 Itunes songs....ughhhh!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 05:18:01 PM
If you don't have a windows install disk choice 1 won't help. Use choice 2 to recover any data you didn't have backed that you can afford to lose. All idea's I had involved an installation disk.

HP does not supply the install disks...just give you the option of making your own recovery disks.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 06:50:08 PM
If I do an HP Recovery, I will lose all of my data, correct?  Are there any other options? 
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: sagebrush on January 03, 2010, 06:57:02 PM
If I do an HP Recovery, I will lose all of my data, correct?  Are there any other options? 
Yes that will take it back to factory settings
Option
Recovery files using Ubuntu listsd above. This one I've used on my daughters un backup computer to recover her My Documents and address books.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 03, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
I just put in the recovery disc to run the test and I got an error message "Short Self Test Failed"  HD521-2W
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: prosportal on January 03, 2010, 07:22:36 PM
The Ubuntu solution will allow you to recover your iTunes, along with any documents, videos, pictures, or other media.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 04, 2010, 05:59:39 AM
Borrow a copy of XP (same version you have installed). Boot to it and choose the FIRST repair option (press R) - that will take you to the recovery console. Once there, run chkdsk /r - let's see if that helps.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 04, 2010, 09:52:37 AM
Hmmmm...anyplace I can "borrow" a copy?  Everyone I asked, their pc came already pre-loaded.  Is there anyplace on the internet?
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 04, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
You can download a recovery console .iso and burn it to cd, then boot to it: http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?showtopic=150212
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Computer_Commando on January 04, 2010, 09:57:46 AM
I just put in the recovery disc to run the test and I got an error message "Short Self Test Failed"  HD521-2W
I think this means the hard drive has failed.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 04, 2010, 09:59:46 AM
I didn't see that, and am not sure if it refers to the HD or ram. Still, I'd run chkdsk /r as suggest above and if that finishes with no unrecoverable errors you can download and run a memory testing utility (ie, memtest).
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 04, 2010, 10:11:50 AM
I am such a stoog....I went to the link but am unsure how to use it??
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 04, 2010, 10:18:44 AM
1) Click on this link to download the Recovery Console .iso: http://www.thecomputerparamedic.com/files/rc.iso
2) Burn the .iso image to a cd using a utility to burn .iso images (pick one: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/nero-iso-free.html)
3) Make sure the cd drive is the first boot item in your bios
4) Insert the cd you just created and boot to it
5) Once in the recovery console run chkdsk /r. It will take a while - let it finish. Make note of what it says when it finishes and tell us
6) After it completes reboot and report back.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 04, 2010, 10:45:58 AM
Got a message that reads "The volume appears to contain one or more unrecoverable problems."
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 04, 2010, 10:47:30 AM
WOW - that was fast. You need to replace the HD
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 04, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
Is all lost?
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: patio on January 04, 2010, 11:05:08 AM
Possibly...
But you can try hooking it up as a slave drive in a working machine and see if it will run long enough to grab your data...

Slave Drive Tutorial...complete with pics (http://www.dtidata.com/resourcecenter/2007/04/23/how-to-slave-hard-drive/)
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Geek-9pm on January 04, 2010, 01:14:04 PM
His HP is a desktop. I has a 250GB SATA Hard Drive. He can get another Hard drive and place in in the machine. Put it on hte first SATA, moe old one to second SATA. Thne use the recovery CD to get a fresh copy of Windows on the new drive.

Once he gets up and running with the new drive, he can simply copy over all the personal data he has, music, photos, videos and documents. But some programs have to be installed again.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 04, 2010, 03:27:59 PM
Hi patio and Geek...btw..."he" is a "she"!  lol   Anyway, sounds like something more than I can handle.  I guess I will have to break down and take it somewhere.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: patio on January 04, 2010, 03:37:06 PM
Karol...actually if you know someone who has worked on PC's it's not that hard to swap a SATA drive into another machine and copy/burn all the data...

Perhaps you know someone who could assist...best way to learn.

Just make sure to explain to them you do NOT want to be able to boot to the drive ...only get the Data...
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: samnang on January 06, 2010, 03:49:13 AM
If u have CDXP, try with recovery console by using command:
1.Recovery Console.  If you have an "installation" CD (not restore/recovery discs), you should check the integrity of the file system.

Boot to "Recovery Console" from the Windows XP Install CD.  When the "Welcome to Setup" screen appears, press <R> key to start the Recovery Console.

You'll be asked to enter the "number" of the Windows installation you wish to repair (usually "1"), then the "Administrator" password, if one was set.  If you never assigned a password, just hit <Enter> key.

Use the "chkdsk" command to verify the integrity of your file system and automatically attempt to fix errors found.  Use the following syntax: "chkdsk /p /r".    If you've followed the instructions, you don't need to enter a drive letter because you should be on the correct volume.

Depending upon the size of your partition, these checks could take a long time.  Let them run to completion without interruption.  The chkdsk utility was not designed to be interrupted - so don't.  Doing so might corrupt the file system.

The "exit" command is used to quit Recovery Console and
2.fixboot

if not ok try repair your windows with your CDXP.


Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 06, 2010, 05:59:40 AM
Samnang - already suggested and done. And for future reference, the correct command is: chkdsk /r - no other switches.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 05:37:34 AM
Allan,
I took the tower to Staples.  They called and said the hard drive is worthless and they are not able to retrieve anything "in house".  Ughhhh.  Any suggestions on what to do with a worthless tower?  The only reason I asked is because if I can get anything for it...I sure want to try!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 07, 2010, 05:49:07 AM
If you are otherwise happy with the computer, just replace the hard drive.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 05:50:15 AM
They told me it would be $240 to replace the hard drive.  Seems like a lot but I really don't know.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 07, 2010, 05:54:24 AM
Nonsense. You can replace the drive yourself for well under $100. Here's a good 500 MB hd for $55. It costs nothing to install it yourself: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822136073
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 06:08:24 AM
I love your "nonsense" statement.  I feel like I am being taken advantage of just because I do not understand computers!  They charged me $75.00 to tell me my hard drive failed and nothing could be recovered....

Thanks for the link.  Do you think I will be able to replace a hard drive myself?  Is it as simple as unscrewing the old one, placing a new one in, plugging it in and going?  A few years ago, I put a cd drive in an old computer.  Is it a similar process?

Regarding the hard drive...apparantly the one that died was 250GB.  The link you sent is 500GB so I understand that means more storage.  How about speed?  What dictates that?

Thanks so much for all of your input!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 07, 2010, 06:14:29 AM
1) Yes, it is exactly the same process as replacing the cd. If you did that, you can do this.
2) The two major factors in determining speed are rpm's and on board cache.
3) As long as you are replacing it you might as well go with the larger drive if the price is okay with you. You don't have to go with the one I posted or the supplier. It was just to point out what a good drive goes for. You want something from a name you recognize (both the manufacturer and the retailer). I usually go to either Newegg or Amazon. Read the reviews and pick something that looks good.

BTW - there are many "how to" guides on the web you can reference when replacing the drive if you want to feel a little more comfortable, but you won't have any problem doing it. Once installed you'll need to boot to your OS cd and format and install the OS.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 06:36:16 AM
Okay, so apparently I had a 250GB 7200 rpm hard drive before...

the link you sent would be twice as much storage with the same rpm...so I am assuming it would be the same speed?

I don't know what on board cache means.  How can I check that?  Will you please explain?

While I am replacing this hard drive, I should make sure I am making it as fast or preferably faster than it was before.  LOL...I can't believe I am saying all of this!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 07, 2010, 06:41:14 AM
Don't worry about it. Any current drive you get will be just fine. And although it may sound contrary to common sense, the size of the drive will not have any noticeable impact on speed.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 06:49:16 AM
I think what I will do...if you think this sounds okay...is go to Staples to pick up my tower and see what they have for sale.

I want to sound like I know what I am talking about, so I will ask for:

1)  a minimum 500 GB Internal Hard Drive
2)  a minimum speed of 7200 RPM
3)  a minimum cache of 16 MB
4)  SATA

Does this sound correct?

Any other advice?

Thank you so, so much for your input!
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: Allan on January 07, 2010, 06:54:54 AM
You are going to overpay at Staples, but sure - that's fine.
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: patio on January 07, 2010, 07:44:19 AM
Agreed...
Title: Re: XP keeps looping...won't boot
Post by: karolk on January 07, 2010, 02:15:09 PM
I DID IT...I DID IT!!!  Spent $79.99 at Staple's but had a $15.00 coupon...so not tooooo bad.  Seagate Barracuda 500GB/7200 RPM/16MB    Anyhow, I was actually able to follow the instructions and remove the old and install the new...all by myself.  Seems easy, but for me...very scary!!

Thank you, thank you so much for all of your help!  Just wish I didn't pay Staples $75.00 to find out the thing was fried!!!

 :o