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Other => Computer News => Topic started by: Ironman on January 12, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100112/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_china
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E-mail leak has Google threatening to leave China
I didn't even know they were going out! :P
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Good if they pull out. Someone needs to shoe China that they don't own the Internet. Google shouldn't have bowed to their restrictions.
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Good if they pull out. Someone needs to shoe China that they don't own the Internet. Google shouldn't have bowed to their restrictions.
What? Did you RTFA?
If Google want's users in China to access their service, then they have no choice but abide by Chinese law. It has nothing to do with 'who owns the internet'.
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Besides if you "shoe" China milions will starve...
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What? Did you RTFA?
If Google want's users in China to access their service, then they have no choice but abide by Chinese law. It has nothing to do with 'who owns the internet'.
I agree 'if you wanna play in my backyard then play by my rules' or I will take my ball home.
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Besides if you "shoe" China milions will starve...
And a billion people will have very damp and sore feet.
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News Update:
China's response to Google threat: Obey the law
By MICHAEL LIEDTKE and JOE McDONALD AP Business Writers © 2010 The Associated Press
Jan. 14, 2010, 5:58PM
SAN FRANCISCO — China's government gave little indication Thursday that it's willing to loosen its control over Internet search results, pushing Google Inc. closer to the brink of closing up shop and leaving the country.
In the government's first official statement since Google issued its ultimatum two days earlier, a Chinese official endorsed the country's current rules governing Internet content.
"China's Internet is open," said Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman. "China welcomes international Internet enterprises to conduct business in China according to law."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/6816363.html
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"China's Internet is open," said Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman. "China welcomes international Internet enterprises to conduct business in China according to law."
And Stalin's nephews and nieces thought he was a great guy.
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According to law...
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Stalin and Hitler had laws too...
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Stalin and Hitler had laws too...
They only applied to other people though.
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The Internet is the last free place, allbeit, a virtual place.
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The Internet is the last free place
Since when?
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Since when?
Would you like some toast?
Sorry had to throw it in somewhere hehe ;D
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The Internet is the last free place, allbeit, a virtual place.
It's never been free and never will be. There has always been someone monitoring someone.
I'm not allowed in the US anymore, I used to distribute 128bit encryption beyond the borders of North America. The internet has never been a free domain, you have your head up your @$$ if you think otherwise.
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It's never been free and never will be. There has always been someone monitoring someone.
The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.
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The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.
never before have I seen so much cluelessness condensed into a single person.
those sites are living under the false assumption that they are "free" and "unmonitored".
That, is bollocks.
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The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.
Get your head out of your @$$. Pure bunk.
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be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet.
Care to elaborate here?
Does it fix you coffee or something while browsing? Can you log and and have it mow your lawn or pick your kids up from school? Will it remind you to feed your cat to your dog so he doesn't starve?
What supposedly makes it 500 times greater?
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Get your head out of your @$$. Pure bunk.
Are you sure?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/26/dark-side-internet-freenet
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Care to elaborate here?
Does it fix you coffee or something while browsing? Can you log and and have it mow your lawn or pick your kids up from school? Will it remind you to feed your cat to your dog so he doesn't starve?
What supposedly makes it 500 times greater?
In size.
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I generally think that when something is labelled as secure and free. It's just what big brother wants you to think. Anything that has a beginning and an end can be traced from it's origin to it's destination.
Simple fact. I could be wrong but that's my take on things.
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Most sources estimate that the deep Web is several orders of magnitude larger than the surface Web. An order of magnitude is the class of scale or magnitude of any amount, where each class contains values of a fixed ratio to the class preceding it. In its most common usage, the amount being scaled is 10 and the scale is the (base 10) exponent being applied to this amount. Thus a repair bill of a thousand dollars (10^3) is 2 orders of magnitude greater than a bill of 10 dollars (10^1). In ordinary English usage "several" means roughly "an indefinite number more than 2 or 3 but not many". So 500:1 is not an unrealistic ratio.
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In size.
How in the heck can you measure the size of the internet? What is the total capacity of the internet? How much space is used? How much space is available? Has it been defragged recently?
This reminds me of the commercial where a guy is about ready to pull his hair out over his dial up connection. Then he upgrades to high speed and in a few hours of browsing he gets a message saying he has reached the end of the internet.
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I'm not saying the ratio is unrealistic. It is possible for people to trudge around in all that waste and 'dead' addresses etc then use them to conduct illegal activity. They hit then run as even they know if you stick around you will be traced. Hence everything is being watched by someone, somewhere.
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the end of the internet.
Single serving sites...ytmnd.com
The actual site is at http://www.wwwdotcom.com/
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How in the heck can you measure the size of the internet?
It doesn't go on for ever; there are a finite number of servers and connected computers. An estimate is possible. Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google, the world’s largest index of the Internet, in 2003, estimated the size at roughly 5 million terabytes of data. Note "roughly". He further estimated that Google had indexed about 0.004% of the total data. Nowadays people say it has doubtless topped 1 petabyte.
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Very good point Salmon....
It has a finite size...ever growing but still finite.
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Some sources say Google has only indexed about 0.03% of the Internet.
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Some sources say Google has only indexed about 0.03% of the Internet.
I thought they said that the sum of all engines had indexed that figure; in 2003 the head of Google estimated they had indexed about 0.004%.
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This Google search (essentially, "find me any page")
or | -or +*
returns around 25 billion results.
Ryan Levering and Michal Cutler at Binghamton University estimated the average web page size at around 130 K. So we get a figure of around 130K x 25,000,000,000 = 3 petabytes (in round numbers) which might hide around 1.5 or more exabytes of unindexed data.
This website gives an idea of some methods used to estimate the size of the Web.
http://www.worldwidewebsize.com/
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I thought they said that the sum of all engines had indexed that figure; in 2003 the head of Google estimated they had indexed about 0.004%.
That was a typo on my part. I was trying to write 0.004%.