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Other => Computer News => Topic started by: linuxlover on December 04, 2006, 12:34:37 PM
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The new windows, called windows Vista, is very, very resource hungry and expensive. I honestly do not believe that anyone is actually ready to shell out for a new computer just to downgrade to windows Vista. It is exactly the same as Windows XP with a new shell. The Pro is the new Shell. The cons include Performance and Co$t.
Performance:
Here is the requirements for Windows Vista:
Decent CPU
512MB of RAM. (WOW, definately a resource-hog).
5GB for the OS on you hard disk
dedicated graphix card
Here is what is REALLY needed:
Good CPU
1GB DDR2 RAM
10GB for the OS
Geforce 6300LE or better
Starting to get what I mean???
Remember, Windows XP says it needs 128MB, It is unbearably slow unless you've at the very LEAST 160MB. Soo... Windows Vista needs about 640MB at the very least!!! That's four TIMES the resources that Windows XP needs!!! Get XP or 2000, but not Vista.
Co$t:
Windows Vista is a very expensive piece of software. To upgrade from WIN2K or older requires $130. To upgrade from WINXP requires $30. To install OEM requires $230. These price$ are for the Basic version!!! The pro cost about twice as much!!!
Now... Let's compare Windows Vista to Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy.
Vista Linux
Co$t: $230 $0
CPU: P4 P3
RAM: 1GB 256MB
HDD: 5GB 1.5GB
GFX: G6300 any
Kubuntu is a winner!!! Vista loses miserably.
These are my opinions. Mixed with facts.
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Yes, Ubuntu/Linux may seem better to you (and to me, if it would just work on my system...), but consider the following:
Most of your average joe computer users aren't even aware that there even is an alternative to Microsoft software
Even if they know there are alternatives, they feel more comfortable with Windows
Perhaps they can't be bothered to switch, perhaps their favourite programs don't work, or whatever, many people don't want to switch to linux
I agree that Vista is a resource hog, but it is not just "XP with a new shell"
It includes many new features, such as DX10/D3D10, security enhancements, usability enhancements, support for hybrid HDDs, ReadyBoost, and so on
Personally I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, if at all (although I may be forced to when Vista-only games come out), but I just thought I'd put a word in for Vista
I don't like Microsoft software either, I only use it when I am forced to
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Yes, Ubuntu/Linux may seem better to you (and to me, if it would just work on my system...), but consider the following:
Most of your average joe computer users aren't even aware that there even is an alternative to Microsoft software
Even if they know there are alternatives, they feel more comfortable with Windows
Perhaps they can't be bothered to switch, perhaps their favourite programs don't work, or whatever, many people don't want to switch to linux
I agree that Vista is a resource hog, but it is not just "XP with a new shell"
It includes many new features, such as DX10/D3D10, security enhancements, usability enhancements, support for hybrid HDDs, ReadyBoost, and so on
Personally I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, if at all (although I may be forced to when Vista-only games come out), but I just thought I'd put a word in for Vista
I don't like Microsoft software either, I only use it when I am forced to
I'm not switching to vista no matter what. I'm getting 1GB of RAM Thats the minimum to use it (yes I realize it says 512MB, but does XP work with 128MB???). All those features you just mentioned can be used under XP with the right software. Of course, M$ is not going to release that software. Nobody would buy Vista (Or maybe they'd be forced to...). I'm just fine with Windows 98. The only problem is hardware support. Nvidia doesn't make drivers for it. I wonder if ATI does...
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Yes, Ubuntu/Linux may seem better to you (and to me, if it would just work on my system...), but consider the following:
Most of your average joe computer users aren't even aware that there even is an alternative to Microsoft software
Even if they know there are alternatives, they feel more comfortable with Windows
Perhaps they can't be bothered to switch, perhaps their favourite programs don't work, or whatever, many people don't want to switch to linux
I agree that Vista is a resource hog, but it is not just "XP with a new shell"
It includes many new features, such as DX10/D3D10, security enhancements, usability enhancements, support for hybrid HDDs, ReadyBoost, and so on
Personally I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, if at all (although I may be forced to when Vista-only games come out), but I just thought I'd put a word in for Vista
I don't like Microsoft software either, I only use it when I am forced to
I'm not switching to vista no matter what. I'm getting 1GB of RAM Thats the minimum to use it (yes I realize it says 512MB, but does XP work with 128MB???). All those features you just mentioned can be used under XP with the right software. Of course, M$ is not going to release that software. Nobody would buy Vista (Or maybe they'd be forced to...). I'm just fine with Windows 98. The only problem is hardware support. Nvidia doesn't make drivers for it. I wonder if ATI does...
Fine by me, don't switch to Vista. Many people won't, and nor will I until I need to or until I'm convinced that it's worthwhile.
Vista is only an interim release anyway, most of the important features have been dropped because it's so badly behind schedule (supposed to be released around 2004).
Of course MS wouldn't release software like that, otherwise they woudn't make the money that they do. It's good business pratice (good for them, not the consumer). It is/will be freely available from other companies though.
And yes, those features can be used under XP, but does average Joe know that? Probably not. that's why average Joe will upgrade to Vista.
Oh yes, and there was a rumour going round that MS is dropping support for XP Home (not Pro, that gets 5 more years at least) as soon as Vista is released. So lots of people are going to be left out in the cold there, uness the rumour was false.
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Oh yes, and there was a rumour going round that MS is dropping support for XP Home (not Pro, that gets 5 more years at least) as soon as Vista is released. So lots of people are going to be left out in the cold there, uness the rumour was false.
From another Forum i belong to: Kudos to Ken.
Microsoft quietly extends XP Home support
1/12/2006 6:24:07 PM, by Ken "Caesar" Fisher
Earlier this month I reported that Windows XP Home would be leaving Mainstream Support at the end of this year, and I called on Microsoft to extend XP Home support in a similar fashion to the support already enjoyed by Windows XP Professional. Surprised that the support date had not yet been extended, I contacted Microsoft and was told that support would in fact end at the end of this year. Perhaps the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, because in a little over a week, things have changed.
The good news is that Microsoft appears to be making an exception to the way it normally treats "consumer products," and has explicitly extended Windows XP Home support to "two years after the next version of this product is released," that is, two years after the release of Windows Vista. Microsoft has also extended the Mainstream Support lifespan of other products that were on borrowed time, including Media Center Editions 2002, 2004, and 2005, and XP Tablet edition. They will all also get the two year extension, which by our estimates means that they will receive support until the end of 2008. Windows XP Professional will see support well beyond 2011.
So-called "consumer" products typically only receive five years of mainstream support, and after this period, they are no longer patched and paid support is not offered (online materials will still be available). Business software, on the other hand, gets five years of Mainstream Support, followed by an additional five years of Extended Support, which prolongs security updates and the potential for paid support.
After this Home will still be supported online for an undetermined timeframe...
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I see, thanks for clearing that up.
So-called "consumer" products typically only receive five years of mainstream support, and after this period, they are no longer patched and paid support is not offered (online materials will still be available). Business software, on the other hand, gets five years of Mainstream Support, followed by an additional five years of Extended Support, which prolongs security updates and the potential for paid support.
That was what I was referring to, although I couldn't remember the exact details.
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Yes, Ubuntu/Linux may seem better to you (and to me, if it would just work on my system...), but consider the following:
Most of your average joe computer users aren't even aware that there even is an alternative to Microsoft software
Even if they know there are alternatives, they feel more comfortable with Windows
Perhaps they can't be bothered to switch, perhaps their favourite programs don't work, or whatever, many people don't want to switch to linux
I agree that Vista is a resource hog, but it is not just "XP with a new shell"
It includes many new features, such as DX10/D3D10, security enhancements, usability enhancements, support for hybrid HDDs, ReadyBoost, and so on
Personally I don't plan on upgrading any time soon, if at all (although I may be forced to when Vista-only games come out), but I just thought I'd put a word in for Vista
I don't like Microsoft software either, I only use it when I am forced to
I'm not switching to vista no matter what. I'm getting 1GB of RAM Thats the minimum to use it (yes I realize it says 512MB, but does XP work with 128MB???). All those features you just mentioned can be used under XP with the right software. Of course, M$ is not going to release that software. Nobody would buy Vista (Or maybe they'd be forced to...). I'm just fine with Windows 98. The only problem is hardware support. Nvidia doesn't make drivers for it. I wonder if ATI does...
Fine by me, don't switch to Vista. Many people won't, and nor will I until I need to or until I'm convinced that it's worthwhile.
Vista is only an interim release anyway, most of the important features have been dropped because it's so badly behind schedule (supposed to be released around 2004).
Of course MS wouldn't release software like that, otherwise they woudn't make the money that they do. It's good business pratice (good for them, not the consumer). It is/will be freely available from other companies though.
[highlight]And yes, those features can be used under XP, but does average Joe know that? Probably not. that's why average Joe will upgrade to Vista.[/highlight]
Oh yes, and there was a rumour going round that MS is dropping support for XP Home (not Pro, that gets 5 more years at least) as soon as Vista is released. So lots of people are going to be left out in the cold there, uness the rumour was false.
I still don't get why it's such a resource-hog. Even XP with that software and windowblinds installed wouldn't take that much RAM. I don't understand why everyone pays $500 for m$ office 200x when openoffice is free? Even Corel office isn't that expensive. I think corel 12 is about $200. The way I see it is that the only time anyone needs windoze is when they play games. That means me. Everything else has software for linux. Windoze emulation is just too slow and M$ recently put in that stupid activation junk. I try to avoid Micro$oft at all cost.
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I don't understand why everyone pays $500 for m$ office 200x when openoffice is free?
Me neither. And M$ wonder why people pirate their software . . .
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It's all in the games for me, if it wasn't for that I'd still be booting up in DOS and starting 3.11.
I still use 3.11 Works for Windows on my W2K machine at work, it runs like a rocket.
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LOL ........
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I don't understand why everyone pays $500 for m$ office 200x when openoffice is free?
Me neither. And M$ wonder why people pirate their software . . .
What I find so amusing is , with all the users out there who continually flame MicroSoft ....... about all the trouble and issues that their software apparently causes . Why on earth is the piracy of MicroSoft at all time highs ?
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dl65 ::)
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I wonder what percentage of those posting here with XP Pro problems have bootleg software? I would suspect 75% (and that's generous). ;)
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... I'm just fine with Windows 98. The only problem is hardware support. Nvidia doesn't make drivers for it. I wonder if ATI does...
What? :-? They sure do make drivers for Win 9x: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html
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LOL ........ Quote:
I don't understand why everyone pays $500 for m$ office 200x when openoffice is free?
Me neither. And M$ wonder why people pirate their software . . .
What I find so amusing is , with all the users out there who continually flame MicroSoft ....... about all the trouble and issues that their software apparently causes . Why on earth is the piracy of MicroSoft at all time highs ?
[size=20]Hummmmmmmm[/size]
dl65 ::)
A very good point.
Personally, I haven't pirated any M$ software, although we did use a pirated version of XP Pro without realising for a while.
I wonder what percentage of those posting here with XP Pro problems have bootleg software? I would suspect 75% (and that's generous). ;)
Another good point. Although, can I ask why it's always XP Pro that is assumed to be pirated?
As soon as anyone says XP Pro your first question is "Is it genuine?"
Why this suspicion for XP Pro and not other OSes, such as XP Home, Media Centre, or 2k?
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... I'm just fine with Windows 98. The only problem is hardware support. Nvidia doesn't make drivers for it. I wonder if ATI does...
What? :-? They sure do make drivers for Win 9x: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html
Not for the 7/8 series. Thats fine because I recently decided that a 6200 was plenty. I don't play a whole lot of games. But when I do, I want good performance. They aren't really resource hungry games either.
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LOL ........ Quote:
I don't understand why everyone pays $500 for m$ office 200x when openoffice is free?
Me neither. And M$ wonder why people pirate their software . . .
What I find so amusing is , with all the users out there who continually flame MicroSoft ....... about all the trouble and issues that their software apparently causes . Why on earth is the piracy of MicroSoft at all time highs ?
[size=20]Hummmmmmmm[/size]
dl65 ::)
Good point. If you don't like it, don't use it. Linux is free yet everyone is so intent on getting windows. It's not even hard to use. Just remember, no more blue 'e'.
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Another good point. Although, can I ask why it's always XP Pro that is assumed to be pirated?
As soon as anyone says XP Pro your first question is "Is it genuine?"
Why this suspicion for XP Pro and not other OSes, such as XP Home, Media Centre, or 2k?
Because XP Pro does not come standard on most commercial machines - Dell, Compaq, eMachines, etc. for the home user. It would have to be purchased for $100 + dollars more and this seems incongruent with a machine that no doubt came with another similar OS (XP Home) already loaded. True, it can be special ordered with some machines, but a majority of people that post with problems either have a non bootable CD or seem to have misplaced something they spent over $100 for. It just doesn't add up. Sometimes deep into a thread the truth just "happens" to come out, as I'm sure you have observed. Most pirate and warez sites have a great amount of XP Pro things to download, Home is seldom seen there.
As Computer Hope does not support pirating software, it is important to get this out early in the discussion. A bootleg copy can cause problems initially or eventually ;)
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OK, I was just wondering why XP pro was always pirated and not others.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Edit: Spelling mistake.
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Well i don't think iv ever payed for Ms software, I'm going to give Vista Final A try soon see how it pans out, the key reason i don't use Linux is because it wont play my games and all the interfaces suck.
MicroSoft spend allot of money on R&D to make the interface look appealing and the Linux Community spends how much on R&D?
Sure a heavy duty computer user will have no real problem using Linux , if they put in the effort to get rid of all the extras that fill out the start menu, or maybe they'll run things from the terminal. but to you average office worker Windows is nice and Easy. and thats what makes it better.
it is not superior in any other way.
and Linux has the problem of compatibility with so many different distros writing a program for Linux as a whole is almost impossible
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I'll get Vista when Service Pack 1... thousand... comes out. Until then, I'll keep XP.
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The key reason i don't use Linux is because it wont play my games and all the interfaces suck.
When did you last try it? Of course there are issues with running some sort of emulator to run another operating system's software. That has always been the case.
For those who are not into games, of course, this is NOT an issue. ALL of the interfaces suck? What interfaces are you refering to?
MicroSoft spend allot of money on R&D to make the interface look appealing and the Linux Community spends how much on R&D?
That money is made from people who BUY their software by the way. ::)
Linux is not a company, and as such there is no central development and R&D budget. Each distribution has their own way of doing business, but it is not and never will be on the scope of a Microsoft.
Sure a heavy duty computer user will have no real problem using Linux , if they put in the effort to get rid of all the extras that fill out the start menu, or maybe they'll run things from the terminal. but to you average office worker Windows is nice and Easy. and thats what makes it better.
This is an old comment from years ago, almost always given by people who have never actually used Linux, or at least not recently. Again, when is the last time you actually used a Linux system? What version?
it is not superior in any other way.
Wrong-o. What about a secure and free operating system, free software, no viruses and spyware just for starts?
and Linux has the problem of compatibility with so many different distros writing a program for Linux as a whole is almost impossible
Some distros use different methods of installations for historical reasons, but any .deb file can ge installed on a Debian based system, any .rpm can be installed on a RedHat or similar system, etc.
We can debate this some more, but I sense your mind is already made up. Now if you were PAYING for Windows vs. using Linux for free (and legal) you may have a different outlook also.
Cheers.
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it is not superior in any other way.
Isn't it something like 80% of all web servers are running some sort of *nix? I don't know the exact number but it's pretty close to that isn't it? If some one knows just go ahead and correct me.
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sorry guys you miss read the last part
(Windows)
is not superior in any other way.
Mostly windows is better purley on interface
"That money is made from people who BUY their software by the way. " I know its great ain't it.
"Linux is not a company, and as such there is no central development and R&D budget. Each distribution has their own way of doing business, but it is not and never will be on the scope of a Microsoft. "
Ive used ubunto recently, its all right but its still a hostel to make sure you have everything you need to run the programs you want.
Sure it has "aptget" that will automatically download all the library's that you need but you first need to set up aptget to work.
Gnome and KDE are the interfaces Ive tyred to use, and relay there not that bad , but on mandrake and on Knoppix the just seemed to be flooded with superfluous aps or multiple programs that did the same things.
its really the same Reason i don't like fire fox, there are just to many options for the little things and not enough options for the big things
Linux as an OS would be fine , if the distros Ive tryed didn't come with some much crap as standard.
I dont dislike linux it just dosent have a role in my home computing wants. i have no home computing needs.
If i were to run a dedicated server i would use linux
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Some do come with an overabundance of apps, but it is hard to predict what each individual user might want. It is easy to pick and choos eduring the install or delete them later.
As Windows does not come standard with much (unless you really like notepad) you can spend a lot of cash getting the functionality of a base Linux system.
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but there is an open source comuity for windows as well, most programs can be found for free (many of which are also in linux) like open office
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but there is an open source comuity for windows as well, most programs can be found for free (many of which are also in linux) like open office
What I find is most people will go to this stage. Downloading free software for Windows.
Given Linux most people would ask questions like What happened to this computer? and Where's Microsoft...? It would be a pain in the rear end for any large business to retrain their staff to use the terminals.
From what I've seen, my employer has moved on to linux for the POS computers. It works as you are using an interface you've been trained to use and follows a similar design to the old system. You are not having to find a word processor, spreadsheet, etc. It runs only one program that is automatically loaded on boot. So it is possible sometimes...
As for Vista, it's actually becoming a major selling point on computers (the free upgrade). I've tried it out and although it's resource heavy it does the job. Microsoft have put the effort in here (especially to the look and feel).
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But Linux is so much more than a terminal for text mode only.
Vista will succeed, of course, because of bundling and marketing. Good or bad will be left up to the public to decide, but it is good for the hardware business in particular and the economy in general. ;)
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Sorry, I haven't had enough time to read the whole topic....
I disagree.
Yes, its more than obvious that you would need more RAM and CPU power.
We do not know if Microsoft is deciding to stretch their requirements so that you can be sure that you can have plenty of background programs running.
I am a user of Windows operating systems. I do know that Windows XP requires 128 MB RAM, but I have seen it run on less and still work quite well.
It depends on what you are installing on your system.
Expect it to run if you fill it up with junk.
I must disagree about going with Linux as a complete alternative.
Though many manufacturers of hardware and software are slowly but surely increasing Linux support, there are more program and more options with Windows than Linux.
Give me a version of Linux that offers everything that Windows offers including support of executable files, and I will really consider switching.
But until then, I think I will stick to Microsoft Windows, specifically for easy document processing and file support.
Just don't go to Macs
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I am a user of Windows operating systems. I do know that Windows XP requires 128 MB RAM, but I have seen it run on less and still work quite well.
I have seen it run on 128 RAM and it is SLOW and thrashes the disk. Definitely it does NOT run quite well. It runs, but that's about it.
I must disagree about going with Linux as a complete alternative.
Though many manufacturers of hardware and software are slowly but surely increasing Linux support, there are more program and more options with Windows than Linux.
Give me a version of Linux that offers everything that Windows offers[highlight] including support of executable files[/highlight], and I will really consider switching.
That is a Windows specific thing, so don't EVER expect to see that in a non-Windows distribution.
The only thing that Linux is not up to snuff on is gaming (and of course these are written for the Windows platform. No Wonder.) If you want insist on running Windows programs you are really stuck to a Windows OS.
For anything else, Linux has 99% of what you need, plus many advantages.
Most people don't like the learning curve.
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With an easy to use OS like Kubuntu, there isnt much of a learning curve. The file structure is different and the way you click is a bit different. So long as you have XFCE4 or KDE you will have no problem using it. The main problem is installing programs. You either need to be a Linux expert or you need to use a package manager. I've unsuccessfully installed programs in root mode by copying to the \bin\ directory.
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Just don't go to Macs
Macs are a whole different story (I appologise now for going slightly off topic).
They do have a learning curve (not as big as some distributions of linux in my opinion) but Macs have their uses, mainly in the audio and graphics fields.
If you're never going to do those things then you've got a point.
The main problem is installing programs. You either need to be a Linux expert or you need to use a package manager. I've unsuccessfully installed programs in root mode by copying to the \bin\ directory.
A very good point. I spent quite a while trying to figue out how to install stuff on a linux system. Quite often you have to use the command line unless your distribution supports a rpm type system. Which would you rather have a list of commands to install something or simply double click on the icon?
Back to Vista... On the beta runs I did with it, if you use less than the required hardware it will run slowly. Even after turning off the high performance graphics and sidebar stuff.
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I currently work in a business where there are a bunch of, shall I say "Computer Dummies." They know it, I know it, everyone knows this. The problem with these people is that they make up 80% or better of the workforce that deals with computer on a daily basis. The one thing I have learned not only from my dad, but these persistent people is that efficiency is key. Without efficiency, productivity would drop and sales would go down causing everyone to lose money. Some do enjoy the luxuries of messing around on a computer and being able to do "neat" things, but when it comes right down to it, if you don't have a software program that's going to work the exact same as their old one but run quicker, they aren't going to like you coming into their room. If I come into an office unannounced (meaning they didn't alright have a question for me that might be wrong with their computer), I can literally feel the room turn cold. Not that they don't like me or anything, but simply because they know that I have something to say computer-related and they just don't have time for it. They don't want to learn something new, they want to stick with the same programs but just make them faster.
For example: I just went into an office yesterday and the guy was pretty much "oh *censored*, now what." I smile and showed him some Memory sticks and he looked even more alarmed! I assured him that I was going to make is computer run about 4x faster than it currently is and suddenly he's like "Well get your *censored* over here!" and he was happy!!
My point is, it is a business fact that once a standard is set, there is really no going back unless something else happens. For example: a better keyboard (i can't remember much about it, all I know is it was truly better), was created in like the 1950s, about 60 or more years later than our current QWERTY keyboard. Does anyone even know of it now? It was designed to help people in the long run but businesses were already using typewriters and could not sacrifice the learning time that it took, so the idea was quickly dissolved. I'm sure you can look it up on google and find something about it.
So unless we can find a way to convince the typical business person that it's very simple to learn Linux and get help on it, then there is no way you'll pull them away from a Windows machine. Likewise, even if you could get them to believe that (and I don't know because I haven't used openoffice much) Openoffice was exactly the same but free and you could get your current office files transferred, good luck... Because they're going to say "Well, my letters are in Microsoft Word. How am I supposed to move them from microsoft word to this other *censored* thing you're trying to get me to use. Ya know what, I'll stick with what I know" and that will be that.
By all means, PLEASE tell me how I could at least switch people over to openoffice. Why? Because, now would be the perfect time for this company I work for as we are not only upgrading office versions soon, but buying more licenses.. ouch.. more money.
Anyway, that's my two cents... sorry for the intrusion but I think I like this community and plan on sticking around for a bit!
--Mike
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To switch people to OpenOffice, tell them to head over to the site and check it out.
Or tell them to come to me, I'll tell 'em.
And the other keyboard layout . . . dvorak, I think.
It's supposed to be better than QWERTY, but I've never used it.
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To switch people to OpenOffice, tell them to head over to the site and check it out.
Or tell them to come to me, I'll tell 'em.
And the other keyboard layout . . . dvorak, I think.
It's supposed to be better than QWERTY, but I've never used it.
And they cost *censored* of a lot more than other keyboards! Seriously, I spent a whole lesson at school looking into dovrak keyboards.
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Now would be a pain learning how to type on dvorak since I've spent all of my time on the QWERTY...
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg
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Apparently- it's hard to learn but much easier and faster than QWERTY when you learn it.
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I don't know about that, that's probably an opinion by lots of people, but would you take a look at where the return key is. :o :o
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you see, back to the windows vista debate where we were expressing opinions on whether or not we want to upgrade... (if we're using microsoft crap anyways)
with vista, alot of privacy is going to be taken away and all those people who use any type of pirated software are in for a pain in the A$$. pretty much, not only will it be virtually impossible to use a pirated version of windows vista, at least not for a LONG time, it's going to check the license for every single program you decide to run on it. i've heard also, mind you, i've HEARD, that you aren't going to be able to use "other people's" cd's for running programs either... lots of privacy and licensing issues that im sure a lot of people are not going to be willing to deal with. Even now, for all those hackers, crackers, and pirated software users, its a pain in the A$$ because you cant play pirated games online, you have to find key generators to use a working serial code key when you install the program, and then for a lot of newer programs you need to install cracks in order to get them to run... now imagine doing that after you install vista, when it will be 124235094508534 times harder and worse...
I have spoken my thoughts.
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I gather you use pirated software. And, you have ants in your pants; that's why you keep dancing around.
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It's a shame that companies expect people to pay for their products, eh? ::)
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I gather you use pirated software. And, you have ants in your pants; that's why you keep dancing around.
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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I gather you use pirated software. And, you have ants in your pants; that's why you keep dancing around.
More chortles.
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Vista will be even worse than XP
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/GX1_Man/image015.jpg)
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I need a whole new acronym to express my mirth . . . more than COL . . . ROTFCMAO!
Lol.
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lol... pirated software? not sayin that i do, but doesnt everyone have at least 23408309324 pirated programs that uses a computer frequently? 1/2 ppl i know have pirated versions of windows... i mean come on, bill gates already has enough money, so he expects those people who are workin low income jobs to spend their whole paycheck to make their computer work, and then have to spend half their time maintaining it and fixing the f'in BSOD's and error messages? lol... i think not. so yes, vista is goin to be a pain in the a** for most people, and im really likin that pic a couple comments above mine with the windows xp key/shoe size/mother's maiden name lol
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and yes... i do have ants in my pants.
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lol... pirated software? not sayin that i do, but doesnt everyone have at least 23408309324 pirated programs that uses a computer frequently? 1/2 ppl i know have pirated versions of windows... i mean come on, bill gates already has enough money, so he expects those people who are workin low income jobs to spend their whole paycheck to make their computer work, and then have to spend half their time maintaining it and fixing the f'in BSOD's and error messages? lol... i think not. so yes, vista is goin to be a pain in the a** for most people, and im really likin that pic a couple comments above mine with the windows xp key/shoe size/mother's maiden name lol
Nobody is going to crucify you for using pirated software. Just don't ask us to help you with it if when a pirate software doesn't work. ;)
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Lol.
By the way, just noticed your new sig.
Nice.
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It doesn't matter how much money Bill Gates has. For a start, he is a person not the company. Secondly the company has a right to expect payment for its goods and services. If you don't like them, don't use them.
BSOD's and etc? Usually this is the fault or poorly written programs and drivers and not an inherent fault of Windows itself.
Please don't make up statistics to justify your arguement.
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It doesn't matter how much money Bill Gates has. For a start, he is a person not the company. Secondly the company has a right to expect payment for its goods and services. If you don't like them, don't use them.
BSOD's and etc? Usually this is the fault or poorly written programs and drivers and not an inherent fault of Windows itself.
Please don't make up statistics to justify your arguement.
There is also the PEBKAC variable to account for some of this...and i agree with you.
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It doesn't matter how much money Bill Gates has. For a start, he is a person not the company. Secondly the company has a right to expect payment for its goods and services. If you don't like them, don't use them.
BSOD's and etc? Usually this is the fault or poorly written programs and drivers and not an inherent fault of Windows itself.
Please don't make up statistics to justify your arguement.
There is also the [highlight]PEBKAC[/highlight] variable to account for some of this...and i agree with you.
whats that??
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Sorry, I completely forgot about this post, CH Doesent send me email notifications for some reason anymore... maybe the update will fix it.
I did find a program called WINEhq that allows you to run Windows apps, I am looking into it a bit more, it sounds good. I think that there is a slight chance I might switch over on one of my computers, if I can get my wireless card to work on it
--or least, my eithernet so I can get a good server running
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From Webopedia:
PEBCAK is technical support shorthand (slang) for "Problem Exists between Chair and Keyboard". Generally this term is used by technical support personnel to describe a problem that was caused by the computer user as opposed to a technical problem with the physical computer equipment.