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Title: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 17, 2007, 10:50:05 PM
I've seen a few other sites and forums start their own [email protected] team and though it would be nice to start one for Computer Hope as well. For anyone not familiar with [email protected] it's a project started by Stanford University to help understand protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases. When proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes.

[email protected] is a distributed computing project -- people from through out the world download and run software to band together to make one of the largest supercomputers in the world. Every computer makes the project closer to our goals.

For anyone familiar with SETI, it's much like SETI except it's searching for cures for diseases instead of other intelligent life. Although being setup late, I think it's a great cause to help and plan on running it here on computers I'm using and don't plan on formatting any time soon. I've setup a Computer Hope team, which will allow any member who is participating or users with PS3's to join and help Computer Hope compete against other teams for ranking.

Computer Hope is team # 67290
Team URL: http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290
Detailed stats: http://kakaostats.com/t.php?t=67290

The main [email protected] site is at: http://folding.stanford.edu/

Users who're participating (completed 1 unit) on the [email protected] Computer Hope team will be marked with a (http://www.computerhope.com/folding.gif) (http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,34147.0.html) icon in their profile.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 17, 2007, 11:00:39 PM
What?
Is this medical, or computers?
(I will have to try and understand tomorrow during the WASL... and no, that dosent mean I live in Washington)

EDIT: Oh... I think I get it now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2007, 07:05:11 AM
Care to explain that in normal English? Are we going to find a cure for Alzheimer? 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 18, 2007, 08:38:25 AM
I used to participate in this, but since I got my laptop I don't think it's such a good idea for me to do it.
If I had a desktop I'd be right in though, I think it's a great initiative and a chance to do some good.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 18, 2007, 10:05:23 AM
im confused
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 18, 2007, 10:31:14 AM
im confused
I think I am to

What good does it do, exactly? And is it safe? How much CPU Power?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 18, 2007, 12:18:37 PM
im confused
I think I am to

What good does it do, exactly? And is it safe? How much CPU Power?
It does good, because it is like having an extremely powerful supercomputer available to constantly crunch complex models of proteins, to help eliminate diseases.
It is safe, unless you have very poor cooling.
You can set it to use as much CPU power as you like, but it only uses idle power.
So it wont suck all of your CPU away from other applications.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 18, 2007, 01:08:21 PM
A little more details, although Calum explained it pretty good above. The project requires large-scale calculations to be preformed which requires a lot of processing power. These types of projects are usually best done with super computers, however they're extremely costly. So, instead of one super computer the project is using thousands/hundreds of thousands of computers each doing small portions of the calculations to create massive amount of processing power.

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By combining merely ~25,000 computers (each with some sort of streaming processor), we could perform calculations on the Petaflop scale (1,000,0http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-FPI.html
[email protected] Petaflop Initiative00,000,000,000 floating point operations per second) – a level of performance currently unmatched even by the fastest supercomputers.

The small applicate you download utilizes a low core priority utilizing around 1-50% of the CPU. I'm running it on my main work machine and haven't noticed any decrease in performance.

As far as memory it utilizes 12-15MB of memory.

Finally, takes up about 6-10MB of hard disk space. I give a range of disk space because I believe each download is different. But each machine here is running around 7MB of disk space.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2007, 02:24:48 PM
To do what for CH?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 18, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
To do what for CH?
If you join the CH team it helps the team complete more units and get a higher ranking and allows you to see the rankings of other team members. In other words just a place to join if you plan on participating in the project.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2007, 03:12:58 PM
And with our processing power we'll help in the creation of a cure for alzheimer.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 18, 2007, 03:27:14 PM
And with our processing power we'll help in the creation of a cure for alzheimer.
It's possible that what is learned from the project could help in finding a cure for many different diseases. Would be impossible to say with an absolute certainty that it will find a cure.

They have however made several advances.
http://folding.stanford.edu/results.html
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 18, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
"The [email protected] stats system is performing an update. Please try back in about 15 minutes."
I was just about to join and everything!
(I will just have to wait)

What if my computer was on a dialup (even though I have ultra-fast 100MBPS fiber running off a 108MBPS Network with a 54MBPS wireless card) ?
And do I need to leave my computer on?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 18, 2007, 05:11:07 PM
The connection of your Internet does not matter, it's mostly the processor that will affect the speed at which work units are completed.

As far as leaving your computer on, no, you don't need to leave it on. Of course while the computer is off it will not be working, so will greatly extend the length at which each work unit is completed.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 18, 2007, 05:18:00 PM
There has got to be flaws to using this type of supercomputing...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 18, 2007, 05:20:29 PM
The only type of flaw I could think of is during it's initial start, when you don't have thousands of computer working on units. Apart from that I think it's a great solution to getting a lot of processing power.

This technique is similar to how Google works and seems to be working well for them.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on April 18, 2007, 05:35:42 PM
The S.E.T.I. project was similar to this wasn't it ? ?

(search for extra terrestrial life )
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on April 18, 2007, 08:55:16 PM
I want to look into this a little more, but I might be interested.

For anyone familiar with SETI, it's much like SETI except it's searching for cures for diseases instead of other intelligent life.
Yes, sir patio.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 18, 2007, 10:56:40 PM
i just installed it and enter my username and team number
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on April 19, 2007, 02:14:27 AM
What's the site again?

I think it's a good idea, so I'll probably sign up.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on April 19, 2007, 07:42:07 AM
What's the site again?

I think it's a good idea, so I'll probably sign up.
Um...check the first post.  It didn't go anywhere.  Just so you know, your post count doesn't go up on the Off-Topic forum.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 19, 2007, 08:36:18 AM
i signed my grandmas computer up my laptop, and my computer(the beast) and they are all runing the program as we speak
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 19, 2007, 10:46:53 AM
If I were to run all of my computers at once, my house would:
A) Burn Down
B) Loose Power
C) Start shocking me
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 19, 2007, 12:13:25 PM
lol get the eletrical fixed then
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 19, 2007, 08:44:05 PM
lol get the eletrical fixed then
We did...
Its still having its "difficulties"
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on April 20, 2007, 12:14:57 AM
Quote
Just so you know, your post count doesn't go up on the Off-Topic forum.

Duh.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 20, 2007, 08:14:05 AM
and u wonder y you get smited
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 20, 2007, 11:23:51 AM
Someone has been smiting me recently... I wonder why...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 21, 2007, 12:51:59 AM
Team Computer Hope has already completed seven work units (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290). :)

Thanks unlovedwarrior and ivan76 for sharing some of your spare processing power. Hopefully it goes to finding a cure.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 21, 2007, 12:58:15 AM
Now, I tried, but I am not shown as a team member.

How do I do this?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on April 21, 2007, 01:05:08 AM
It is pretty hard to get set up...

But you don't get shown (I think) until you complete one work load.
To get into the team: Right-Click the FoldingHome program thing, go configure, then User (tab), then type in 67290 as team name, and have your name (or whatever) as user name.

BTW, I'm working on:
p3040_supervillin-03
GROMACS core (does anyone know what this is?)

on [email protected]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 21, 2007, 04:02:55 AM
I wish I could help, I feel useless . . .
Actually, I may get the old PC working again with [email protected], and just add myself to the team.
Over time, it crunched a considerable amount of work units, considering its Sempron CPU.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 22, 2007, 12:07:59 AM
...
BTW, I'm working on:
p3040_supervillin-03
GROMACS core (does anyone know what this is?)
...
Based on structures from previous villin simulations we have conducted, this class of projects delves deeper, obtaining a better statistical picture of the folding process.

You can do lookups on the project numbers at: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/fahproject

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... I wish I could help, I feel useless ...
It's ok if you don't have the processing power to do this project or want to utilize your processing power for something else I can understand.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 22, 2007, 03:29:21 AM
It's because I have a laptop, it gets hot enough as it is and I don't want to strain it.
If the heat wasn't a problem, it'd be pretty good, it's powerful.
Guess I'll head off downstairs and set the desktop back onto it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 22, 2007, 01:14:05 PM
It's because I have a laptop, it gets hot enough as it is and I don't want to strain it.
If the heat wasn't a problem, it'd be pretty good, it's powerful.
Guess I'll head off downstairs and set the desktop back onto it.
You can limit the amount of CPU usage it takes. I am running it on my laptop, and have no problem. [email protected] disables itself when you run on battery.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 22, 2007, 10:16:01 PM
how do you set the amount it sucks up the cpu and it saddened yesterday, i was playing wow and the game minimized and wouldnt open back up so i thought it was an error so i uninstalled it and reinstalled it patched it (ummm like 2 hours or something) and it still didnt work so i thought about it than i realized it was the program it made me mad cuz it took me that long to figure it out but oh well i have it running when im at work.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 22, 2007, 10:27:53 PM
Ugh sorry to hear about that unlovedwarrior. It's crazy that a little app like that would cause so much grief with WoW.  To adjust the CPU usage you can right-click on the icon in the Systray and go to Configure, under Configure click the Advanced tab. By default the CPU core usage should be set to the lowest possible.

In addition if you're running it and want to pause it you can right-click the icon and choose the pause option.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 23, 2007, 12:23:47 AM
its just weird thou how it waited so long to effect it but oh well
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 23, 2007, 12:56:18 PM
It's because I have a laptop, it gets hot enough as it is and I don't want to strain it.
If the heat wasn't a problem, it'd be pretty good, it's powerful.
Guess I'll head off downstairs and set the desktop back onto it.
You can limit the amount of CPU usage it takes. I am running it on my laptop, and have no problem. [email protected] disables itself when you run on battery.
I know I can limit it, but it's not much use running with 10% of my CPU.
I also don't want it to trigger the CPU to keep stepping up, most of the time it can stay at 800MHz which is fine.
And I never use my battery, so that doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 23, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
Unloved Warrior,
It was the Sims 2, wasn't it?

(A game that probably should never be minimized in anyones right mind)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 23, 2007, 09:49:27 PM
huh sims 2 i havent played that in a long time it was wow that was saddening me
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 28, 2007, 12:15:26 AM
Up to 18 completed units (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290) and another participant:  SilentAssasin64  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 28, 2007, 03:34:36 AM
sweet im closing in on you nathan lol and my other one ivan76 is ok cuz its on my laptop which im going to turn on now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 28, 2007, 12:07:15 PM
I'm still not showing up

My CoreDuo is failing me!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on April 28, 2007, 01:29:06 PM
A piece of paper...no matter how thin cannot be folded more than 7 times...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on April 28, 2007, 01:57:20 PM
A piece of paper...no matter how thin cannot be folded more than 7 times...

It can't? Show proof!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 28, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
A piece of paper...no matter how thin cannot be folded more than 7 times...

It can't? Show proof!
I bet he thought we would all take a piece of paper and fold it (OUCH! Paper cut!)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 28, 2007, 02:56:43 PM
A piece of paper...no matter how thin cannot be folded more than 7 times...
Not true, Mythbusters were able to do it with a HUGE piece of paper. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSwS8rFNWI
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 28, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
im watching right now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on April 28, 2007, 05:07:40 PM
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I do have like-minded friends. Most of them from the Vhemt Movement. My parents didn't force any views on me, so please limit your comments to things you actually know. And for the mythology-religion difference, please tell me exactly what IS that difference. Wait, I know: Mythology is harmless, while religion is mythology mixed with superstition, and it really f*cks things up. So there you go, Magic Boy. I'll wait for your blind views on religion against regular mythology.

http://www.vhemt.org/ (http://www.vhemt.org/)

I find some of the discussions on Youtube more interesting than the videos.  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 29, 2007, 08:40:33 AM
I joined (well, entered the other PC anyway) but I'm not shown yet.
Don't expect much from it, it's a bit . . . pathetic . . . to say the least.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on April 29, 2007, 08:52:08 AM
I stand by my statement...changing the parameters to disprove things is what they do best.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on April 29, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
you have to complete one WU cal and it might take a day or two for them to add you
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: SilentAssasin64 on April 30, 2007, 08:23:34 PM
Haha, this is funny.  It takes me about 2 weeks to finish a whole WU.  Dang Sempron...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 01, 2007, 12:11:53 PM
Haha, this is funny.  It takes me about 2 weeks to finish a whole WU.  Dang Sempron...
I bet it'll be the same for me, same CPU.
you have to complete one WU cal and it might take a day or two for them to add you
I'll look out for myself when one WU finally gets done.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on May 01, 2007, 05:21:36 PM
Well, I hate to be a quitter and a betrayer:
Of all my currently backround applications, I do belive that I am going to have to install some of the unused things. (And I am going to remove [email protected] since it does take its memory.)

Maybe when Sigmatel gives me a new driver for my sound card, I will install it again.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on May 01, 2007, 06:46:52 PM
Why's that?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on May 01, 2007, 08:17:39 PM
Why's that?
Well
My laptop came with a good Sigmatel sound card
it also came with Vista
and it just happens that the driver is only a beta version


Sooooo,
When too much stuff goes through, the sound starts "Skipping" like a CD
Specifically when playing games (graphics card interrupts it)
and when playing music (Read ahead optimization in WMP11)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: honvetops on May 04, 2007, 10:58:58 PM
I'm thinking about it....

If you can guarantee me it will be used to combat liberalism I will go sell some stock and get us a super computer!!   :P
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 04, 2007, 11:00:42 PM
With that new processor and it being over clocked it's already a supercomputer. ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on May 05, 2007, 01:18:56 PM
I'm thinking about it....

If you can guarantee me it will be used to combat liberalism I will go sell some stock and get us a super computer!!   :P

i only wish it could cure that ecspecially in cali
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on May 05, 2007, 04:09:17 PM
I'm going to have to ask; why do you hate liberals? 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: honvetops on May 05, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
Because he "thinks" with his  Brain and not his  heart!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Raptor on May 06, 2007, 08:44:14 AM
That doesn't make sense. So you hate Vulcans as well? Mr. Spock isn't going to like that.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on May 06, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
i hate them because of what they did to cali and the rest of the US
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 06, 2007, 08:40:25 PM
Calum makes the list. We're now up to five users and have completed 37 units.

http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 06, 2007, 08:44:49 PM
Even more detailed stats: http://kakaostats.com/t.php?t=67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 07, 2007, 02:08:46 AM
I did indeed finally make the list.
That last WU was a monster, 50000 units or whatever it's measured in.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on May 07, 2007, 08:17:41 AM
ive had one of those
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 07, 2007, 11:58:05 PM
I've only got 2318/5000 frames, and I've had it for weeks! How long do they usually take?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on May 08, 2007, 08:33:30 AM
depends on the computer
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 08, 2007, 10:30:53 AM
Depends on your computer specs, and the difficulty of the WU, plus when the PC is on and how much it is used.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 13, 2007, 05:23:51 PM
Welcome to the Computer Hope [email protected] team Jeremy. We're now up to 6 users and 49 completed units.

Stats (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 14, 2007, 09:06:22 AM
My PC is kind of useless compared to unloved and admin's PCs.
One WU, in all that time . . . shameful.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 15, 2007, 12:03:49 AM
I'm still only at 3570/5000 and I've been going for weeks.....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 15, 2007, 09:37:37 AM
How much is the PC on, and how powerful is it?
The more it is on, the less it is used and the more powerful it is, the faster WUs will be completed.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 21, 2007, 03:08:53 AM
WOOP!

GO ME!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 21, 2007, 02:04:55 PM
WOOP!

GO ME!
Sweet. Glad you could join us Dark Blade.  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 22, 2007, 12:36:43 AM
It's taken a while...

How long does it usually take you to finish a work unit?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 22, 2007, 05:30:48 AM
Depends on the computer, I've got it running on a few. But the primary computer (Intel Core 2 1.86 GHz) I use it's taking around 1-2 days to complete each unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 22, 2007, 11:57:36 PM
Depends on the computer, I've got it running on a few. But the primary computer (Intel Core 2 1.86 GHz) I use it's taking around 1-2 days to complete each unit.

Well, it's taken ME 1-2 weeks.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on May 23, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
What CPU do you have?
Takes me around that with my Sempron 2400+.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 24, 2007, 12:03:07 AM
Intel Pentium 4
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 24, 2007, 12:08:31 AM
Intel Pentium 4
Huh. Well I am also running this on a Pentium 4 2.4GHz and it takes several days to complete each unit. Also I'm assuming you're probably not leaving your computer on 24/7 like each of the computers. If not this could greatly increase the time for the units to be completed.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on May 24, 2007, 12:16:25 AM
Well, my Pentium 4 is 1.60 GHz, if that could make any difference. And yes, you assume right.

I don't leave my computer on 24/7 (my dad yells at me for leaving it only for 2 hours!), so I guess that's why I'm kinda slow completing W/Us.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on June 20, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Update. Would like to do a late welcome to a new member: Arc. He's already completed two work units.

The Computer Hope team has completed 109 work units and our current ranking is 9428 of 70483.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Arc on June 20, 2007, 09:00:54 PM
I'm running:
PC Chips P13G+

Celeron D 360 @ 4.29Ghz

1.25 GB of DDR 266 ( one 1GB module and one 256MB module) clocked to DDR 333

My new system will be here on Monday though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128034

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103780

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820609226

I aught to do a little bit more folding with that going, eh?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on June 20, 2007, 09:07:35 PM
Welcome back, Arc/Viper
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on June 21, 2007, 06:22:18 AM
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Celeron D 360 @ 4.29Ghz
Nice OC.
And nice new system as well.
And a welcome back from me too, I have seen you around here as Arc but I couldn't remember if you did used to be Viper, or if it was just my confused mind telling me so.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Arc on June 22, 2007, 12:50:35 AM
Good to be back, now that school is out, I can do more things online. Whoo!

As for the overclock, I was hoping to get at least 5GHz out of the Celeron (I've got it on water cooling) the board limits me to 26 * (133MHz to 165MHz). I should be able to get that Athlon to  at least 9GHz though >.>

Anyway, this WU is on 4950/5000.




Arc
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on June 22, 2007, 01:45:11 AM
Ok, just installed it on this machine... its not on very often though

2.93GHz Celeron D :(
But its better than nothing
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 15, 2007, 08:34:17 AM
Sorry for the large bump, just to inform people I have left the team to start a Dark Blade clan [email protected] team.
I figured that gamers are likely to have fast computers, so I might as well try and get them to put them to use saving lives with Folding @ Home.
Team number: 79734 - let's see how we get on.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 15, 2007, 10:25:46 AM
That's fine, a little competition never hurts. :) Thanks for the units and I'm curious if they'll move with you or stay with the team.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 15, 2007, 11:01:38 AM
Well, I just got 186 points/1 WU for my team, not sure if they've been taken from the CH team or left on.
It's like when I joined the CH, I didn't keep my score, I had completed quite a few WUs before joining the team but I started at 0 when I joined.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on July 16, 2007, 10:42:28 PM
Yes!!! Another W/U done! I dunno if it's been registered yet, though.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on July 17, 2007, 10:11:41 AM
Well, I finally decided to join.  It's estimating about three months for my first WU to be completed...that's a ridiculously long time and doesn't sound right, but at least it's something.  I'd rather help very little than not help at all.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on July 17, 2007, 10:30:17 AM
Odd, it's going much faster now and is estimating the WU to be completed by Thursday.  I'll take that as a good sign.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 17, 2007, 12:17:47 PM
Welcome to the team Chris, in addition to helping this will also be a good indicator of your processing power.  :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 17, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
It works like that, don't worry about it.
It's likely because your computer was doing something else, so [email protected] had no CPU available to it.
When you leave it idle it gets more CPU so it will go a lot faster.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: michaewlewis on July 17, 2007, 02:20:31 PM
it would be cool if you could run this on a wii.

then you could say you got a WU on your Wii  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: DeltaSlaya on July 18, 2007, 03:33:11 AM
Ok, I'm going to join with my E6600.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 18, 2007, 04:42:17 AM
it would be cool if you could run this on a wii.

then you could say you got a WU on your Wii  ;D

Only problem is that the Wii is pretty slow.
It would be a funny thing to say however, I'd run it on mine.
For anyone not aware of this, you can also run [email protected] on an X1800 or above graphics card, and on the PS3 games console.
Each of these options offers extremely high performance.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: DeltaSlaya on July 18, 2007, 04:49:36 AM
Is my G card considered an X1800 or above, or would I need a 8800 for that?

I've read about this somewhere and you get different types of WUs relating to the different strengths of each chip, the calculations that can be performed more efficiently or faster? Is that right or do I remember wrong?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 18, 2007, 05:07:34 AM
As far as I am aware the [email protected] GPU client only works on ATI cards, not nVidia cards, whether or not they are more powerful than an X1800.
Also, if you want to download this client, please be aware that it is still in beta, and read this first. (http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-ATI.html)
There are some very specific requirements you must meet in order to use it.
Quote
I've read about this somewhere and you get different types of WUs relating to the different strengths of each chip, the calculations that can be performed more efficiently or faster? Is that right or do I remember wrong?
Quite probably, yes.  Not having a graphics card capable of running this software I haven't followed the development all the way.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 18, 2007, 12:17:45 PM
Welcome DeltaSlaya and you're correct Calum [email protected] only works with ATI and not NVIDIA video cards (unfortunately).
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: reaper_tbs on July 19, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
i don't know what this team does, i thought it was for laundry.... this computer seizes up when i go to the site.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 19, 2007, 12:27:18 PM
It uses the power of your computer when it is idle to work on protein folding, which to you and me is very CPU intensive calculations which can help cure diseases and save lives.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: reaper_tbs on July 19, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
i see. good cause. i'll wait with that til i get home, where i can use my beasty new upgrades for that purpose. they'd wanna help, considering they cost me $2000. i won't do it with this computer, because it will probably explode.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on July 19, 2007, 11:35:30 PM
It doesn't matter how fast your computer is. A slow computer will not slow down the project.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on July 20, 2007, 08:27:09 AM
Woo, I completed my first WU a few hours ago!  My second one should be completed by tomorrow.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: unlovedwarrior on July 20, 2007, 08:52:55 AM
good job. i'm leaving my gaming pc on while im at work today
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 20, 2007, 04:55:41 PM
Congratulations on the first unit CBMatt.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 21, 2007, 01:36:53 AM
We're now 7963 of 73984 finally broke the 8k mark.  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: DeltaSlaya on July 21, 2007, 04:23:27 AM
I'm leaving the team for the mo, I will rejoin when I can reliably overclock my E6600 at 3.5ghz.

By the way, any recommendations on Watercooling sets, and heatsinks?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 21, 2007, 04:27:08 AM
Unfortunately I don't have any recommendations on watercooling setups, up to this point I've stuck with the traditional cooling systems. You may want to start a new topic under hardware and see if anyone has any suggestions.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: DeltaSlaya on July 21, 2007, 04:40:24 AM
Can you recommend any exceptional heatsinks you've used?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on July 21, 2007, 02:24:50 PM
There are a lot of different manufacturers that are good. I often don't like to recommend products because it's all based off your own personal experience, it's usually better to read multiple reviews and not just one persons take on a product. However, I've had good success with Zalman heat sinks (e.g. this one (http://if you've got the room in the case) if you're case has the space). But do a search on New Egg (http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Category=1-11&Tpk=heat+sink) and you'll find plenty of good reviews and heat sinks plus if you're in the US great delivery time if you order from New Egg.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 21, 2007, 05:34:32 PM
Thought I'd bump this up again. Our team ranking has recently surpassed 6,000, we're now 5990 of 81238. Thanks again to everyone who has helped.  Even if you've stopped participating your completed units are still appreciated. ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dark Blade on September 21, 2007, 07:04:09 PM
Hmm.... my FAH has been attempting to get a work-packet for the last few months, but it's not working...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Comp Guy on September 21, 2007, 11:43:57 PM
I have a notebook, and it gets pretty hot sometimes due to it being a high preformance computer. Do you think it would be foolish to attempt this on here? If not, would I need something like a cooling pad so it won't overheat?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 22, 2007, 08:29:52 AM
Personally, I wouldn't run it on mine.
But, you could always run it and give [email protected] less than 100% of the CPU, say 50% or something, then it wouldn't get as hot.
Or you could buy a cooling pad, or leave a window open.
My personal trick?  Small rubber pads, 2 or 3 of them, under each foot.  Leaves a gap of around 1/2 an inch for better airflow, and makes it easier to type too.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on September 22, 2007, 09:28:34 AM
Laundry...

 ;D ;D ;D

I love that one !
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Comp Guy on September 22, 2007, 10:21:13 AM
Personally, I wouldn't run it on mine.
But, you could always run it and give [email protected] less than 100% of the CPU, say 50% or something, then it wouldn't get as hot.
Or you could buy a cooling pad, or leave a window open.
My personal trick?  Small rubber pads, 2 or 3 of them, under each foot.  Leaves a gap of around 1/2 an inch for better airflow, and makes it easier to type too.
Yeah I probably just raise it up to allow for better air flow. Now to find some rubber pads....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: michaewlewis on September 22, 2007, 02:15:38 PM
If you've got an old computer at home that's not being used for anything, install linux and the linux version of [email protected] and just let it go. You wouldn't even need a monitor for it. Just check it once a month to make sure it's still processing.

I've got three computers running now. :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Comp Guy on September 23, 2007, 02:01:21 PM
If you've got an old computer at home that's not being used for anything, install linux and the linux version of [email protected] and just let it go. You wouldn't even need a monitor for it. Just check it once a month to make sure it's still processing.
I don't have any old computers.

I've got three computers running now. :)
Haha, I love to do that!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 25, 2007, 04:09:31 PM
Hmm.... my FAH has been attempting to get a work-packet for the last few months, but it's not working...

Strange. It should not take that long, unless something is blocking the information from being sent. May want to restart your computer and/or [email protected] if you haven't done so in the last few months. Otherwise my only guess is that something (most likely a firewall) is blocking the packets from being sent/received.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 11, 2007, 12:01:52 AM
Bump. The Computer Hope team has surpassed the 5,000 mark.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on November 11, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
I would still use it, but their uninstaller forgot to remove a registry key, so I cant reinstall it, and I dont feel like searching the registry. Actually, I have a few bits of software that have failed me because of the registry.

If I ever become a programmer, I will forbid my boss from letting the produced software from using the Windows Registry. Data files all the way, baby!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on February 10, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
Okay, now that all my computer problems have been fixed, I finally rejoined Computerhopes [email protected] team

(While at the same time notifying you all, I am also bumping this topic)

I have its usage limits quite far down though, I'd rather not have my fans constantly running
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on February 10, 2008, 03:40:16 PM
"The [email protected] stats system is performing an update. Please try back in about 15 minutes."
I was just about to join and everything!
(I will just have to wait)

Really? Cause I get that every time I visit!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on February 10, 2008, 03:44:33 PM
"The [email protected] stats system is performing an update. Please try back in about 15 minutes."
I was just about to join and everything!
(I will just have to wait)

Really? Cause I get that every time I visit!
In your internet browser, press CTRL+F5 a few times
(Dumps the cache of your browser for that page, reloads it completely)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on February 10, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
Thanks Zylstra.  :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on February 11, 2008, 04:41:05 PM
I win! I mean, ummmm I joined... XD. so the little systray icon, it shows 0/500. when it gets to 1, is that 1 WU for me?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on February 11, 2008, 05:12:52 PM
Nope :)
After you get 1500, it counts as one work load
(On my machine, its currently at 30/1500)

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on February 11, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
ummmm wow?!! that will take a while XD
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on February 16, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
oh yesh. finished my first WU! XD
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: wefr0 on February 20, 2008, 02:41:06 PM
There has got to be flaws to using this type of supercomputing...
I aggree completely
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 21, 2008, 06:33:20 AM
There has got to be flaws to using this type of supercomputing...
I aggree completely

Why? I think this method of distributing workloads to multiple computers is no different than what is happening with one super computer.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on February 23, 2008, 03:01:30 PM
There has got to be flaws to using this type of supercomputing...
I aggree completely

Why? I think this method of distributing workloads to multiple computers is no different than what is happening with one super computer.
A supercomputer is being managed by one person/company/school/organization.

With distributed computing, its various people. What if someone decided to be mischievous and send back incorrect results?
Though, since [email protected] is working towards a great goal, there are some really stupid people out there willing to do anything to get attention...

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 24, 2008, 06:47:18 AM
It's very likely that they use some type of authentication scheme to help detect and prevent any bad received information. It's also likely that once they get good or amazing results that they either verify it with another computer in the cluster and/or another super computer.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 03, 2008, 01:54:39 AM
Thanks again to all those contributing we reached 150k score a few days ago and are approaching 700 units. I thought I'd sticky this topic to help it from getting too lost.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 03, 2008, 02:49:48 PM
Wow! I am finally on the "Detailed Stats" page

(My computer says I have completed two work units, I honestly am not sure  how many.. the [email protected] Website is returning their construction page for me again, even with a browser cache dump)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on April 04, 2008, 06:06:42 AM
ugh i haven't been able to work on mine lol, im still grounded from my computer... I post from school and on my psp but our home internet hasnt been working either so i can't even post on my psp anymore.... ugh stupid english class, always getting me grounded.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: michaewlewis on April 04, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
well, quit acting up and do your homework. :P
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 06, 2008, 07:06:06 PM
One question. If I install it on my Compaq Presario M2000 computer, could it fry my CPU?

// EDIT //


Or burn down my house for that matter?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 06, 2008, 08:06:44 PM
Heh. Well I don't know the condition of your Compaq computer, but I'd bet, no, it wouldn't.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 06, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Alright. Fingers crossed that the house doesn't burn down.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 06, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
Woops.

Forgot one more important thing.

Will the program eat up my ISPs data allowance?

Once this is answered I'll install it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 06, 2008, 08:29:29 PM
Probably not, unless it's extremely low. The data it sends back to the server I think is only a few kilobytes if that.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 06, 2008, 08:30:22 PM
Alright. I'll keep an eye out on it.

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 06, 2008, 08:38:11 PM
Installed and configured. No drop in performance, but it's taking up 100% of the CPU.

Fixed now.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 14, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
[email protected] uses all your idle CPU power, so, your processor will always be at 100%, but, it wont necessarily make it slower. (Some computers with certain software (and funky hardware) configurations might have a different story)

For me, I have it set to use around... I think I have it set to 80%, this is primarily since I have a laptop and wouldent want it overheating on me, and also since I do want a bit of CPU power standing by in case my computer decides to suddenly spike.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: dairyman on April 15, 2008, 11:34:51 PM
I had to uninstall it.

Reason:

There are 2 computers using the internet connection at once. The other computer needs an internet connection all the time (please don't ask why), but the application was really affecting the other computer.

There are many more reasons (house might burn down, might fry my CPU, etc.) but just want to keep this post short and simple.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 16, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
It definitely wont fry your CPU.

And the internet shouldent be used much at all with Folding at Home. Its not constantly downloading, for one, and second, its downloads are not big. (I think Nathan mentioned this, they are only a few kilobytes, just mathematical calculations)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on May 25, 2008, 05:42:36 PM
I want to download, but I also want to be a part of the CH team.  I can't seem to figure out how to join the team.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 25, 2008, 09:38:50 PM
Assuming this is a computer we're talking about you simply right-click on the icon in your Systray and click Configure. Once in the configure screen add the below team number.

Computer Hope is team # 67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on May 25, 2008, 10:33:07 PM
So I can download the software, and then join the team?  Sounds good.

I've managed to join, but I suspect i won't show up until I've completed my first work unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on May 26, 2008, 04:02:09 PM
You'd be correct. Until a unit has been completed, you'll not be shown on the list.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on May 26, 2008, 04:37:48 PM
Well, then, I'll see all y'all in like...July!  WhatEVer!   ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on June 03, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
A bit of a bump, since I personally think this is a good thing in computing...

I reached WU 10
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on June 03, 2008, 10:45:21 PM
Congrats!

Do you run it all the time?

I do, but only at about ten per cent CPU capacity.  I've only got a gig of RAM (that's so ironic -- I can remember the days when RAM measured in kilobytes) and with everything going on, it really slows down the computer.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on June 05, 2008, 09:35:42 AM
Congrats!

Do you run it all the time?

I do, but only at about ten per cent CPU capacity.  I've only got a gig of RAM (that's so ironic -- I can remember the days when RAM measured in kilobytes) and with everything going on, it really slows down the computer.


I run it whenever my computer is on, which is usually from 4PM-10PM

I dont know how much idle usage I have it set to..
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on July 20, 2008, 06:11:33 PM
I just checked my stats of out curiosity. I have 35 workunits.. my server processes about 1.5 workunits a day, I think. I surprised myself...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 21, 2008, 06:05:57 AM
I think I may rejoin the team once I get my computer back up and running, waiting for an RMA on my RAM.
When I'm downloading things I leave it on all day, so I'll install [email protected] on that boot and let it run.
Should be able to crunch through some WUs.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 21, 2008, 07:38:30 PM
It's taking me a long time to get through my first.  My estimated date is Aug. 8, and it may change.  (I don't leave on my computer anymore when I'm not using it.)  I had to really cut back the percentage of processor time I give to Folding, else my computer lagged like crazy...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 21, 2008, 07:58:51 PM
i saw something like this in pc magazine i guess ill give it a bit of resources
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 21, 2008, 08:19:26 PM
ok i dled it and its running but i dont see my name guess i have to wait
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 21, 2008, 09:04:34 PM
Hey, cr...welcome to the team...you won't show as one of the team members until you complete your first work unit!  (That's why I'm not up there, yet -- I'm still crunching my first set!)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 21, 2008, 09:12:31 PM
i completed 6/200 frames in about 3hrs yay!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 21, 2008, 09:22:07 PM
You'll pass me at that rate! 

(I hope you do.   :))
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 21, 2008, 09:24:50 PM
lol whats your rate?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on July 22, 2008, 07:05:47 AM
Darn (in the Phoenix airport...)
I cant start up [email protected] until I am back home. I tried to start it via SSH, but, I have no idea how I set its terminal number.
Oh well.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kip on July 22, 2008, 12:39:12 PM
I am getting one frame every ten minutes.  My fastest was one frame every two minutes.  My slowest was one unit every hour.  The speed varies for each unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 22, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
i got about 10 minutes too
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 28, 2008, 09:15:59 PM
I turned on my computer today, and the blinkin' [email protected], which showed I'd processed about 750 frames of 2500 decided it wanted to connect to the server.  I didn't think anything of it, and didn't try to stop it.  I don't know what it did with the unit on which I had been working, but it's gone.  Now I have a new unit of five thousand frames, and no credit for what my system processed so far...

It now has my estimated completion date in November.  I should just delete it and take back my processor for myself.
(I'm telling myself that such a move is selfish.)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 28, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
im running one thats 10,000 and its on about 5100 and should be done around the 30th
thats aloooooooooooooonnnnngggg time aegis whats your cpu??
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 28, 2008, 09:26:57 PM
I'm running a 2.0 gig Intel chip on an Intel board.

If I allow the program to use more than 10 - 20%, I notice lag.

I know 2.0 isn't the most screaming CPU, but it's not a Pentium MMX, either.    ::)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 28, 2008, 09:47:29 PM
im running a p4 2.2 soon to be quad core q6600 :P
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 28, 2008, 09:55:57 PM
Ya know, I thought maybe you were going to have some advice for me, or some suggestion I could try to "tweak" the Folding program.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 28, 2008, 10:03:53 PM
im not an expert at it the only thing i can think of is to change the amount of time it saves by right clicking somewhere is the program selecting configure go to advanced tab and change the slider all the way down to 3 so mabye the workload wont disapear or something?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 29, 2008, 03:12:58 AM
Aegis, it sounds like you were working on a time bound work unit, and the time limit expired.
If your computer isn't on so much there is an option to only get deadlineless units, but there aren't so many of them.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 29, 2008, 07:56:29 PM
All right, Calum.  Thanks for explaining the difference.

I don't leave my computer on much, anymore.  I used a program to see how much my system uses, and I think it only comes out to about 68 watts, so it isn't that much, but electricity is electricity, and except for weekends, my system's only on a few hours a day.

I had downloaded the version of Folding with the graphics.  I don't really need that.  I wonder if the "graphicless" version would be more efficient.

I now have a FIVE THOUSAND frame work unit that looks like it ends Nov. 8.  Sheesh!

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 29, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
I uninstalled the graphic version, and downloaded the console version, tied to my username, and the CH team.

I also chose the smaller work units, I think.  Let's see how it runs as a console.  I can probably leave the system run a bit longer, and see what happens...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 30, 2008, 02:48:07 AM
I don't know if it would actually make a difference using the console version, but I'm no expert.
If you can select deadlineless units you'll have as much time as you need to complete them and they'll never just end, but there aren't so many of them as they're mainly designed for older computers.
I almost set up a dedicated folding rig today (well, it was going to double as a spare PC), but the Ebay auction ended before I could talk myself into buying it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on August 02, 2008, 10:38:50 PM
I seem to be making better progress with the console version.

I'm also leaving my computer on for longer periods to facilitate more computations.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 13, 2008, 12:35:59 PM
We need this guy (http://www.overclock.net/overclock-net-folding-home-team/370859-nitteo-s-f-h-gpu2-farm.html) on our Folding team. ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 13, 2008, 12:37:16 PM
We need this guy (http://www.overclock.net/overclock-net-folding-home-team/370859-nitteo-s-f-h-gpu2-farm.html) on our Folding team. ;)

is that a super computer?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on August 13, 2008, 10:52:51 PM
It's not a superomputer (technically) but it is a server farm...now all I have to do is try to figure out what the computing power of that whole setup. 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2008, 09:22:25 PM
wow :o :o :o :o :o thats a lot!! ask him to join!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 28, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
As some of you may have already noticed, if you're participating in the Computer Hope folding team you'll now have a (http://www.computerhope.com/folding.gif) (http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,34147.0.html) icon next to your icons on your profile. There are a few people helping the team out or who've helped before that I didn't recognize. So if you're participating and don't have an icon please PM with your name your using on the Folding team.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on August 29, 2008, 12:13:56 AM
Where exactly in the profile is the icon?  I've checked several profiles and I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 29, 2008, 02:51:45 AM
Should be able to see it now, I wasn't able to enable it so all can see it before my network shut down.

Edit: Fixing grammar.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on August 29, 2008, 04:51:30 AM
Okay, gotcha.  I see it now!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on August 29, 2008, 01:56:01 PM
Actually, I think you will find that putting this icon up will really encourage our regular members to participate. Or was this your plan the entire time?

Edit: I thought I might add, I am going to put my step dads computer on [email protected], since its on 24/7... Windows wont shut itself down, and I happen to live in an area where I have the cheapest electricity in the US, so, it doesnt make a difference. (We generate more power than we use... theres really no point in energy conservation)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 29, 2008, 02:03:16 PM
not fair!! i whish it was really really cheap here but yay! i get a special icon! W()()7 8)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 29, 2008, 02:20:07 PM
Update: I thought that instead of using the alt tag I'd change it so the icon would link to this thread. So now each folding icon will link to this thread so any user curious can learn more.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on August 31, 2008, 12:16:26 AM
Slick.

(Sorry for the one word post -- the link is a great idea.)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on September 08, 2008, 07:21:36 AM
i bet my score is about horrible, with me not being able to turn my computer on now...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on September 08, 2008, 10:09:27 AM
What matters is that you've contributed in the past, and will do so in the future.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 08, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
what happened seth you havent been on here in a while

also with my quad core it only seems to use one core (25%) of the cpu is there a way to make it use more
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kip on September 08, 2008, 04:58:06 PM
also with my quad core it only seems to use one core (25%) of the cpu is there a way to make it use more

I found this page (http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther).  Be careful; they are still beta and I do not have a multi-core processor to test them with.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 08, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
ill try it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 08, 2008, 06:03:22 PM
ok wow it works good but i lost all my owrk from the other one and guess how many i have to do!!!!!!!!!! 5 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT still uses 25% (one core mabye i can run both versions at once to increase me work speed!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on September 08, 2008, 07:50:28 PM
EDIT still uses 25% (one core mabye i can run both versions at once to increase me work speed!!!!!!!!!
I wouldent recommend running both at the same time, thats likely to cause severe conflict.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 09, 2008, 06:27:12 PM
they didnt work anyways I WANNA USE ALL 4 CORES!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 12, 2008, 07:56:26 AM
I've jumped back into [email protected] using the GPU client.  My 8800GT is a great little cruncher, taking around 2 1/2 hours to finish each WU.
I may add a CPU client too later this week, but I'm not sure yet as due to the way DirectX is handled in XP the GPU client maxes out one core, so I'm concerned about the noise this will produce with both cores maxed.
Anyway, what I really want to say is, GET FOLDING!  Come on CH, we can do better!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on September 12, 2008, 09:23:18 PM
I got a quad core processor is that good?

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 07:44:19 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 13, 2008, 07:46:06 AM
i do too pink but quads dont help for folding it only uses 1 core!!!! AHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 08:16:14 AM
Did you download the SMP client?
It should always use more than one core.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 13, 2008, 08:25:37 AM
um.... the what? were do i get it!! LINK!!!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 08:30:16 AM
Clicky (http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther)
Choose one of the SMP clients from there, scroll below the GPU clients to find them.  Make sure to read the info provided first.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on September 13, 2008, 08:44:42 AM
Did you download the SMP client?
It should always use more than one core.

What...

If they only use 1 than how am I able to play Assassins creed.

It needs two cores.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: kpac on September 13, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
Easy solution:
Don't play games while running [email protected] ::)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 08:50:52 AM
The SMP client uses multiple cores.  It's designed for multiple core machines, preferably 4+.
If you had read anything about [email protected] you would realise it sues only IDLE CPU power.  It should not affect your performance, in fact there are benchmarks out there showing that in games the difference when running [email protected] is typically less than 5fps, even on very old games, and even less on newer ones.
Alternatively you could pause [email protected] while you game if you can't stand to lose .5fps.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 13, 2008, 08:55:56 AM
i run folding while doing everything thats what i love about these quad cores ill try out that one thing right now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on September 13, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
I'm running console version 1.03 (September 7, 2005)

Once I launch it, my CPU usage goes to 100% and stays there.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
Once I launch it, my CPU usage goes to 100% and stays there.
That's right.
If you're not doing anything, using 0% CPU, [email protected] will use 100%.  If you're using 10%, [email protected] will use 90%, so it's still maxed at 100%.
You can configure [email protected] to use less than 100% of your CPU, down to 5% max.
The last time I ran a CPU client was a long time ago but I noticed no drop in performance.  My GPU client does sometimes cause some lag when scrolling web pages, but no real performance drop.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on September 13, 2008, 09:35:20 AM
Well, you made me more aware with our chat conversation from yesterday, for which I thank you.  Carbon helped me tweak Firefox last night to use less memory -- yes, I know, that's not the same as CPU usage, but my system has not (yet) frozen since I tweaked Firefox.  I'm also running FreeRAM now.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 13, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
It's good to hear your system isn't freezing any more.  If necessary just turn [email protected] down to, say, 90%.
Firefox can eat RAM, but with a few simple tweaks it's easily remedied.
FreeRAM, I would usually advise against, because usually programs like that cause more issues than they solve.  However, if it works for you, then fair play.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: typhoeus on September 13, 2008, 06:10:50 PM
I have a 1.83 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo Mac OSX 10.4.11 with an internet connection.  What is the best [email protected] version for me?

Also, I have a PC whose specs are listed to the left.  It has no internet connection, and will not get one anytime soon.  Can I run [email protected] on it and then upload the results on the mac?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 13, 2008, 07:23:52 PM
well those other versions that are supposed to use more then 1 core dont seem to work well
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 14, 2008, 01:03:53 PM
For the Mac, the normal uniprocessor client is the best choice, as the SMP client doesn't always like dual cores.  However, watch the temps.
With no internet connection you can't run [email protected], sorry.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: typhoeus on September 14, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
Dang.  I have two PC's with no internet that could've been going along with the mac.  Oh well.  Thanks for response.  Should I get a graphical or a text client?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 15, 2008, 11:32:24 AM
If you have a way to give them internet access for a few minutes that would work, they only need to upload finished units and download new ones.  I only need net access for ~2 minutes every 2 1/2 hours for my client.
As for graphical vs text clients, it doesn't really matter, they'll perform the same.  Graphical clients will be more obvious, and easier to configure, but text clients are less intrusive (i.e. no system tray icon) but less easy to configure.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: typhoeus on September 15, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
Thanks Calum.   :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 22, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
I'd just like to announce my progress with [email protected], I'm now 4th in the team, with just over twice as many points as Zylstra in 5th and almost half as many as michaewlewis in 3rd.
[/end self-promotion]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on September 22, 2008, 02:54:55 PM
I'd just like to announce my progress with [email protected], I'm now 4th in the team, with just over twice as many points as Zylstra in 5th and almost half as many as michaewlewis in 3rd.
[/end self-promotion]
I still have more work units than you have  :P
I'm still at loss as to how the scoring system works...
Number, Name, Score, Work Units
1      Computerhope       151767       803
2    Arc    38814    185
3    michaewlewis    24755    96
4    Calum    11941    43
5    Zylstra555    5542    53
6    Kip    5128    48
7    unlovedwarrior    4860    31
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 22, 2008, 05:32:25 PM
aww what am i i hate how the multi cpu client wont work
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 23, 2008, 03:03:23 AM
I believe the score is based off the total completion of data. For example, you'll see that sometimes the WU is smaller / larger than others. If they just went of WU each WU would have to be the same size, since they're not sure the score is based off the value of total size of each WU completed.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 23, 2008, 10:07:29 AM
The score is based off the value of each unit, yes.
Come WUs are more complex than others and take more processing time, so more points are awarded.
I'm gaining so many points because I'm using the GPU client, where each WU is either 430 or 480 points.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on September 23, 2008, 10:15:26 AM
This also explains why I've jumped ahead of a few people, even at the lower end.  I've "chewed through" some pretty large work units.  My poor Celeron is in the middle of processing another large unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on September 23, 2008, 10:41:18 AM
Enabling the return of larger WUs (normal or large instead of small units) and using a CPU with SSE2 or higher will also give more points per WU as those units will need more processing power.
At the end of the day, the points relate to how valuable the units are to science, but each unit and each point counts.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 22, 2008, 02:03:38 PM
I've slipped into second place on the team now.
Now the long wait to overtake Nathan begins, if it's even possible.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on October 22, 2008, 10:31:12 PM
Well, La De Da!  (I'm teasing!!!) 

I'm running my poor Celeron 24 / 7 now to get the results I'm getting! 

We're hoping to upgrade my better half's system in the next six months or so.  In that case, I'd get her current Intel 3.6 GHz -- not an absolute "screamer" by today's standards, but a nice jump!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 23, 2008, 11:36:08 AM
Definitely would be a nice jump.
I'm not particularly flogging my system right now, it's not on more than about 4-5 hours per day except weekends when I'm uing it more, and I'm only running one client on it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on October 23, 2008, 01:52:38 PM
Grats on the new ranks I better start getting all my systems focusing more on folding again before you overtake me. :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 23, 2008, 01:56:50 PM
In that case, I need to get some more of my systems folding to stay competitive.
The reinforcements I'll be throwing into battle will be my family's Athlon 64 3200+ and one core of my 3.4GHz E8200.
For the top spot: charge!
Er, in a few days that is . . .
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on October 23, 2008, 01:59:04 PM
Hehe excellent. Now we just need a few more competitors. :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 23, 2008, 02:05:18 PM
I agree.
Makes me want to do a few upgrades to increase my points, but I'm completely broke/skint/out of money.
Come on people, join in!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on October 23, 2008, 07:13:59 PM
I've stopped FAH on my main laptop because it was getting a bit hot... but, my server continues.

I just fixed the startup item for it on my stepdads computer.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 29, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
Update: having some issues with my family's computer and [email protected], hopefully I'll fix those soon and get it folding again - it managed a whole 1 WU before it decided not to get any more.  Will try and get the other core of my main rig folding by the end of the week too.
Depending on what I can rig up with the space I have available I may be able to get my laptop crunching too, the rest of my computers won't contribute anything meaningful unless I leave them on 24/7 which I'm not going to do.

Nathan, I'm coming for your no. 1 place!  Um, eventually . . . (watch as he goes and sets another 10 computers folding)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on October 29, 2008, 02:47:23 PM
i stoped folding until i get a new cpu cooler i dont like it running that hot if it doesnt have to sorry! ill restart after xmas though
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 29, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
You could always reduce the CPU usage of [email protected]
How hot were you running?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on October 29, 2008, 03:36:40 PM
well it was like 44c i just dont like it that hot
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 29, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
44C is actually a good temperature for that CPU at load, it won't get dangerous until it reaches about 70C.
My CPU reaches 46 at maximum load (Orthos small FFTs for a few hours) and the fan doesn't even ramp up.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on October 29, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
Meanwhile, my poor Celeron keeps plugging along...   ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on October 30, 2008, 04:32:52 AM
It's still a contribution, no matter what it produces.
My Athlon XP would overheat if I set it folding, really not sure what the problem is with it but it's hot hot hot even in the BIOS.
My P3s wouldn't really contribute meaningfully but I might try anyway.  My other machines either aren't operational or are far too old to contribute at all.
My graphics card would still outperform every one of my computers in folding though :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 01, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
Quote
My graphics card would still outperform every one of my computers in folding though

How can a graphics card outperform a processor?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 02, 2008, 03:29:04 AM
Using the [email protected] GPU clients, it's possible to get very high points per unit.
Check out my scores - I get 480 points per unit, which takes my graphics card about 2 hours to do.
FAHMon, a program I have installed which gives more info about clients (mainly useful for the console client rather than the graphical one) estimates around 5400ppd (points per day) from my graphics card.
I mean, check the specs on my card - 112 cores, at 1625MHz shader clock, compared to 2 cores at 3400MHz clock for my CPU.  It doesn't scale quite that well for various reasons, but my CPU should get a maximum of around 2000ppd.  Even if I set all my other computers to folding, assuming they all worked, I doubt I could get more than about 3000ppd from them all.

Does that help?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 02, 2008, 09:36:34 AM
All right -- I didn't know that the card had such capabilities, and that FAH was tailored to use them.  Interesting.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 02, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-NVIDIA

Interesting reading.

Oh, and my E8200 is churning out 300ppd, I don't think it's getting very good (high points) work units at the minute for whatever reason.
My earlier estimate of 2000ppd was far too high actually, even with the SMP client I wouldn't reach that, more like 1000.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on November 05, 2008, 10:00:02 PM
My laptop was running about 120-130F with FAH, I really have no idea what my latest temperatures are since I dont have a temprature monitoring program at the moment...
It's relitively fine on the desk, except a warm corner on my laptop, but on the lap its a bit hot.

The other side was that my fan was always running.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 07, 2008, 10:06:31 AM
Gah . . . my 8800GT just got hit with a 5748 Wu.  Looked around on the net and apparently the massive increase in heat and 2500ppd loss I just suffered is normal.
I need better cooling, my GPU fan is going crazy and it's still topping 63C, usually never goes above 60.
I know that's not dangerous but I'm like that with my hardware.
Anyone else running the GPU client for F[email protected], beware of these new units, they take a lot longer to fold, yield more points per unit but less points in a given time, and they really work your card.
Roll on money so I can afford a new case, in the meantime I'll have to try re-applying thermal paste.

On another note, I got my E8200 up and folding, but it doesn't seem to be doing too well really, it's getting units worth 15 points each.
Anyone running the CPU client, what are your units each worth?  Don't know if this is normal or not.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 07, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Good information Calum. My average unit size is 1500. However, currently only running on 3 systems as all others are down or doing other things.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kip on November 07, 2008, 03:20:21 PM
I am running a CPU client on one computer and have an average of about 100 points per work unit.

By the way, Calum, you are charted to take first place on February 2, 2009. Chart (http://kakaostats.com/pop_up_chart.php?chart=dradar&id=1015159&name=Calum)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 08, 2008, 08:23:25 AM
1500 huh?
Might have to watch my CPU over the next week or two and see if it picks up, might be a temporary glitch.
I'll have to get fahmon installed on the family's PC as well, to check the points on their CPU client.
Edit: totally missed your message Kip, sorry.
Thanks for the info too, 100 points per unit is less hopeful than 1500 but far better than my current 15.

Oh, and my GPU client finished off that horrible unit and is now crunching some more normal beasts again.
I'm hoping I don't get another one of those just yet, until I either get my new case or figure out how to take my graphics card apart to clean it and reapply thermal paste to lower the temps a little (the screws are really tiny and the only screwdriver I have that fits them doesn't give enough leverage to actually move them).

Edit again: I spoke too soon . . . 65C now :(
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 10, 2008, 06:55:04 AM
Checked this system's again today and it's 2000.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 12, 2008, 01:10:31 PM
is it normal for the [email protected] app to be using 250MB RAM?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 12, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
It can be.  My GPU client is using 40MB right now, set to use up to 2048.
The amount for it to use is configurable somewhere depending on the client you're using.

My CPU client is still not doing well, it's failed to send most of the units it completes.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 13, 2008, 11:02:17 PM
250 seems a little excessive to me mines at 52MB atm.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 14, 2008, 11:42:43 AM
My CPU client is finally getting some proper work units - 217 points for the current one!  Unfortunately the ppd has decreased as it's predicted to take much longer, but I'll keep an eye on it, it may improve now.
My GPU client on a larger 5748 WU, is using 100MB of RAM, my CPU client is using 30MB.
It depends on the actual WU and the size of it as to how much RAM the client will use, as well as the limits you've set.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 11:10:46 AM
Gah, my CPU client is failing again, and my GPU client crashed yesterday while I was at college too.
Boo may pose some competition to me unless I pull some more processing power together . . . I need more money for parts!
Also, the CH team is almost in the top 3000 teams now.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
lol
i think its all down to my 8800gt
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 12:18:27 PM
how do you see what unit you're working with and how many points it will generate
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
I have an 8800GT too, so our points will be similar.
The differences will lie in the clock speeds, units we get, and the amount of time our computers are on and folding.
I use fahmon to check my points.  It can work out your ppd, tell you what unit you're crunching, and also show the log and other information.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 01:48:50 PM
thanks
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 01:59:52 PM
i cant seen to find the folders that contain the right files to add the client.... ummmm
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
What client did you download, the GUI or console?
The GUI installs to C:\Program Files\FAH I believe, you should add the main directory.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:06:46 PM
the gui but i have both a CPU and GPU client which are iun the same folder
i tried to add the main directory and directories within it but nothing
just a black square
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 02:07:52 PM
Don't run them in the same folder, it's not usually a good idea.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:10:06 PM
its not

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 02:14:23 PM
Oh right.
Have you tried to add both of the directories shown above?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:15:30 PM
yep
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 02:16:38 PM
Hmm.
Well, as I don't use either Vista or the GUI clients, I don't really know what to suggest.
Might want to wait and see if anyone else has any suggestions.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:17:28 PM
i added both of the directories and named them random things

thanks for your help

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 18, 2008, 02:18:18 PM
If you select one of the clients in fahmon, what happens then?
Also try fahmon - download new projects.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:28:17 PM
nothing and nothing

i dont think the files that are required to gather data from are stored in that location
where else could they be?
AppData?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 18, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
it was in the AppData folder
problem SOLVED
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 19, 2008, 02:09:19 AM
There you go, well done for solving that.
Fold on!

Edit: due to an epic fail caused by Eset Smart Security on the X64 install I was folding on during the day when I'm not at home, my folding will be reduced.  I was using it to download a lot of Linux ISOs to test them out, so I had a secure boot set up for that.  As Eset has managed to destroy any chance at a network connection, and I can't repair it, I'll need to reinstall everything.  Deep joy.  So, that can't fold, and I'm not leaving my PC on purely to fold.
When I have the cash to replace some parts I'll be adding two P3 1GHz, an Athlon XP 2100 (hopefully clocked higher) and possibly a P4 3.2GHz to my folding.  That probably won't be until after Christmas though, by which time boo will quite possibly have overtaken me.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 19, 2008, 09:42:06 AM
Been waiting for a big unit to watch the memory and got one last night. Doing a 5000 unit and currently 2100/5000 and FAH is only using 13,608KB of memory. So I still think that if it's 50+MB something is up with the client.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 19, 2008, 09:45:45 AM
There you go, well done for solving that.
Fold on!

Edit: due to an epic fail caused by Eset Smart Security on the X64 install I was folding on during the day when I'm not at home, my folding will be reduced.  I was using it to download a lot of Linux ISOs to test them out, so I had a secure boot set up for that.  As Eset has managed to destroy any chance at a network connection, and I can't repair it, I'll need to reinstall everything.  Deep joy.  So, that can't fold, and I'm not leaving my PC on purely to fold.
When I have the cash to replace some parts I'll be adding two P3 1GHz, an Athlon XP 2100 (hopefully clocked higher) and possibly a P4 3.2GHz to my folding.  That probably won't be until after Christmas though, by which time boo will quite possibly have overtaken me.

We'll see about that.

as for the memory issue, i am talking about Working Set (memory) as the reading im giving you
one of the clients is on 18MB and the other is around 50 although its the GPU one and its doing a 25000 unit which is about average for it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 19, 2008, 10:26:25 AM
Wow.. 25k unit!   :o
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 19, 2008, 10:35:21 AM
lol
just to clarify
where do i find this number
i want to know that I'm not wildly exaggerating!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 19, 2008, 10:38:03 AM
I get the WU by just hovering over the [email protected] icon in the Systray. Can also open the window and shows under the Frames Completed section.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 19, 2008, 12:46:36 PM
ok yes so its a 25k unit and my cpu's doing a 1.5k unit
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 19, 2008, 01:06:51 PM
I assume then that GPU's just handle bigger units. Interesting.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 19, 2008, 02:30:14 PM
i know it is
it has always had these big units
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 20, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
Wow, boo's steaming ahead, I'll soon be relegated back to 3rd place.
I need reinforcements!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 20, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
lol
i may be adding 3 computers, 1 single core, 1 dual and 1 quad on sunday
just watch this space
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 21, 2008, 08:57:10 AM
I'm going to get served very shortly unless I do something really inventive :-\
With a budget of £0, there's nothing much I can think of.
All I can do is pray for boo's power to go out, whilst I gather some funds and prepare for battle.
If anyone would like to donate money, parts, or fold under my name, now would be a good time to show some early Christmas spirit ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 21, 2008, 09:23:08 AM
lol
i also have no money but im going to work for my dad on sunday and im going to use his computers to fold :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 21, 2008, 09:25:24 AM
You must get permission first . . . there have been cases where people have lost their [email protected] points (and I'm talking all of them . . . one guy lost 12 million), and had legal action taken against them.  It contravenes the EULA of [email protected], and also in corporate environments it might be against their policies too.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 21, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
lo he's my dad and of course ill get permission
he owns the shop
i appreciate your concern though
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 21, 2008, 09:37:29 AM
I didn't think it would be a problem in this case, I'm just warning just in case you get carried away afterwards, heh.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 21, 2008, 09:38:33 AM
lol thanks for the info
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 21, 2008, 09:40:46 AM
can i have the [email protected] symbol on my profile please....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 21, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
No, anyone overtaking me is not allowed it.
 :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on November 21, 2008, 12:11:14 PM
My poor server... its trying so hard...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on November 21, 2008, 02:26:31 PM
can i have the [email protected] symbol on my profile please....

<gasp> Not sure how this wasn't already on your profile. But it's been added now.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on November 21, 2008, 05:13:56 PM
i have an old p4 3ghz calum and a gb of ddr 333 and a 450 watt psu and a stock intel fan wanna trade?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on November 21, 2008, 06:01:02 PM
My server is running:
Linux 8.04 (Or whatever the newest 8.X version is)
364MB of RAM (somewhere in that range)
20GB HDD
700MHz Processor (Intel PIII?)
Little to no video abilities... I mean, besides the fact that it doesn't even have a desktop...
Probably a 200-350 Watt PSU, its ancient though, and probably needs to be replaced.
It also has one unused drive for burning, and one unused drive for regular CD.

And, it gets about 20 attempting spam computers in a day! What use!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 22, 2008, 07:16:44 AM
i have an old p4 3ghz calum and a gb of ddr 333 and a 450 watt psu and a stock intel fan wanna trade?
Not sure if you're joking (I'm tired) but assuming you're serious:
If you actually would be willing to ship that to England, what kind of parts are you looking for in return?
If you are joking, don't tease me like that, the situation is getting desperate :'(
[email protected] is my new obsession.
 ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 22, 2008, 10:17:15 AM
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i have an old p4 3ghz calum

I didn't know there was more than one model!   ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 22, 2008, 10:31:22 AM
thanks for the symbol, i feel complete now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 23, 2008, 02:54:14 AM
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i have an old p4 3ghz calum

I didn't know there was more than one model!   ;)

Ah, that's the older model . . . I, according to jacky on the chat, am a multi-tasking multi-threaded OS.

Edit: The CH [email protected] team is inside the top 3000 teams!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on November 24, 2008, 06:42:15 PM
calum what do you got if you pay shipping of course ill pay if you give me more stuff

ROFL aegious (sorry for mispelling)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 25, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
computeruler - is it OK to keep this in PMs instead?
I'll type up a PM in a few minutes, when I've finished some other stuff.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: paudashlake on November 25, 2008, 03:59:35 PM
Okay, I joined......But nothing is happening....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 25, 2008, 04:23:12 PM
Okay, I joined......But nothing is happening....
Could you be a little more specific.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on November 26, 2008, 01:36:23 PM
lol is it doing anything? saying you got work unit things?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on November 26, 2008, 09:54:12 PM
lol is it doing anything? saying you got work unit things?
Okay, I joined......But nothing is happening....
It can take a few days, sometimes a week or more for you to get a workunit depending on your processor speed and how idle your computer usually is.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on November 27, 2008, 09:12:47 AM
ok just watch out for me in the top!! as soon as i set up my quad folding thing and i get a 4870 and fold on another computer
hehehehe
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 27, 2008, 09:37:23 AM
Must be nice to be able to afford all that great equipment.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 27, 2008, 11:04:11 AM
Must be nice to be able to afford all that great equipment.
I agree.
If you're counting my equipment as great ... a loan from a family member.  I needed a computer for my college course, so it made sense to spend a little more and get better than basic components, to save some money in the long run.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 27, 2008, 12:20:10 PM
Makes good sense, Calum.

I'm a little sensitive, today -- even more than lately.

My Thanksgiving lunch was the peanut butter and jelly sandwich I just finished.  I'm reminding myself to be grateful I had it.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 27, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
was it a nice sandwich at least?
being Jewish, Thanksgiving doesnt exactly play an enormous part in my life but meh....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 27, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
We don't have Thanksgiving here.
Aegis, I don't mean to sound like I'm boasting or anything, but I'm always grateful for whatever I receive.  I work hard for what I get, and if I complain because I want more, I always remember what I have, and I'm thankful for it.
My laptop, which I saved up for 2 years to buy, was a great computer at the time.  It turned out to be unreliable and wasn't what I needed, hence the desktop a few years later when I started college.  Yes, I could have used the family's PC ... but I don't think they'd appreciate me ripping it apart every few minutes to learn something new.  In building this computer I learned a lot - more than the value of the machine, I'm sure - and also gained a fairly pwoerful computer for gaming and so on.
Now, I'm up to my ears in computers and parts, more than I have the space or time to do anything with.  If I was in the same situation today I wouldn't need my main computer at all, and I'd be satisfied with what I have.
I guess what I'm saying is, I appreciate what I have, but 99% of what I have I have worked for and earned or bought myself, so I feel I'm entitled to it.  I hate to borrow or have things bought for me, it just feels wrong to me.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 27, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
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Aegis, I don't mean to sound like I'm boasting or anything, but I'm always grateful for whatever I receive.  I work hard for what I get, and if I complain because I want more, I always remember what I have, and I'm thankful for it.


Extremely cool.  That's all I wanted to see -- an expression of gratitude -- not by any particular person, but just that someone would state they're grateful for what they have.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 28, 2008, 12:36:22 PM
You're welcome, I guess.  I think people who take things for granted, or are not grateful for what they have, especially when they're just given it, should have those things taken away, and then be poked with a sharp stick.
:)

Change of subject:
Note for all GPU folders: the 57xx units are now becoming a lot more common.  They take longer, are worth less points, and heat your card more than the previously common units such as 5506.  I've been following some of the new over at the official folding forums, and this seems to indicate a shift towards "real" work being done in the near future - so far, the GPU units have been tests, designed to help optimize the cores and understand how to best use the GPU power for science.  That's not to say the units so far have been useless though, far from it.
Just wanted to let people know, anyway - the increased heat and points drop is normal.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 28, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
The best thing is that we're rated 2862 of 148453 teams!

I think we can continue to improve that rating!


Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 28, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
We've certainly gone up in the world since we started.

I think breaking the top 1000 teams should be achievable fairly soon, with a few more members and a few more CPUs/GPUs folding for us.  I'll be providing more input once I've resolved my financial situation and I have some free time.  I want that #1 spot!

Seriously, we're going well, especially for saying the team is still fairly small.
Congratulations to everyone on the team, and keep folding!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on November 28, 2008, 04:47:03 PM
I guess it's about time to volunteer my Quad for a few units.... 8)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 28, 2008, 04:50:40 PM
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I guess it's about time to volunteer my Quad for a few units....


Rock!   :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on November 28, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
woot! yay patio!!! i shall help get us into the top 1000 by christmas!! (when im getting my new gpu and all that great stuff)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 29, 2008, 09:22:30 AM
I guess it's about time to volunteer my Quad for a few units.... 8)
Woo, go patio!
Now, how about that 8800GTS too?  You need to fold for your CH pay, boy! ... just kidding ...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on November 30, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
Boo ---

Are you folding with your CPU, your graphics card, or a Cray supercomputer??   :o

Our rating has improved a bit:  2842 of 148600   ;D

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 30, 2008, 11:28:15 AM
lol
1 Q6600
1 MSI 880GT

and from today.....

2x Dual core Intel CPU's
1 3.2Ghz intel P4 running 24/7
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 30, 2008, 11:33:43 AM
What clients do you have running on those?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 30, 2008, 12:28:38 PM
not sure what you mean...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 30, 2008, 12:31:16 PM
Obviously the 8800GT is running the GPU client, I just meant do you have the SMP or uniprocessor clients installed on the others?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 30, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
all i know is that i installed the graphical interface version
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on November 30, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Ah, you probably used the normal single core client then.
The reason I ask, is that you have some multi-core machines there.  Whilst dual cores are usually best running two single core clients rather than the SMP client, the quad would crunch very well on an SMP client, obtained from the high performance download page.  This does take more resources and may not be as stable, but it'll net you more points overall - somewhere in the region of 2000 I believe.
If you're on XP one core will be tied up with the GPU client so you'd need to set the GPU client priority higher if you used an SMP client, with Vista that's not the case.

So basically, all I'm saying is that, with a little tweaking and some slightly more complicated installs, you could net another, say, 2200 points per day (not knowing the actual CPU models, I can't give an exact figure, just a guess).
Points per day figures always assume the machine is folding 24/7 by the way.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on November 30, 2008, 03:49:30 PM
i tried to install the first instance of the SMP client but i think i hashed it up so i tried the second one
it is a console only client
this is not ideal for my needs

how do i install the first one correctly??
(DenoiMPI)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 01, 2008, 02:26:47 AM
There isn't a GUI SMP client for Windows, only a console one.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 01, 2008, 02:30:49 AM
ok then, how do i hide the process?
can i still use Fahmon to monitor it if it is hidden?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 01, 2008, 02:44:59 AM
No need to hide it.
You copy the console client .exe to a folder, then run it.  Go through all the settings, make sure you say yes when it asks if you want to start it as a service.  When the folding window pops up, either reboot, or close it, enter the services control panel, and then start the [email protected] service.  FAHmon will still monitor it if you add the client.
I really need to write up some [email protected] FAQs, they really would be helpful I think.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 01, 2008, 02:51:18 AM
yes they would!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 01, 2008, 02:54:52 AM
I just don't always have the time ... I'll try and get something up in the next few weeks.
What does everyone want me to cover?
I'm thinking, Windows GUI and console uniprocessor client installation and configuration, Windows GPU GUI and console client installation/configuration, Windows SMP client install/config, explanation of how to set up multiple clients, how to set up and use fahmon.
Related guides I'll also work on, which can be linked to - how to check your CPU and GPU temps, how to reduce temps.

What else do we need?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 01, 2008, 05:47:03 AM
Are there not already pages devoted to Frequently Asked Questions and documentation, such at the one found HERE (http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-ATI)?

I'm not "knocking" your willingness to provide more information, Calum, but if you're busy, why provide what's already available?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 01, 2008, 05:54:18 AM
There are FAQs and guides available, but sometimes people can get confused as to which client they should run, how they should install it, how to check it's working, etc.  The guides on the Stanford folding site don't cover that, or they do in a roundabout way.  I just think a few short, simple guides would help get more people involved.
I'll wait on this until I'm not busy, so it won't interfere with anything else, just might be a while coming.

Also - a lot of information in our FAQ database can be found elsewhere.  It's just more convenient to have our own versions of this information, am I right?  They're not the same guides/articles, of course, but the information can be found elsewhere.

Edit: I broke 100000 today, if anyone cares.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 01, 2008, 06:17:49 AM
Rock!

We are at 2813 of 148669 teams, up from 2824 when I looked last.

We are at 2810 a few hours later!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 01, 2008, 05:11:38 PM
ok i think im genna get my quad into this again can you help me set up the multicore client? i tried it before and it didnt so can u help?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 02, 2008, 04:27:49 AM
Hang on a week or so and I'll get some FAQs and guides up, should help you out.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 02, 2008, 02:12:54 PM
thanks a lot for the help calum!! now my quad is folding with all 4 cores!!!! WOOOOTTT
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 02, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
You're welcome.
We should see a nice boost with your Q6600 and boo's armada of computers.
I've added my laptop to the team, but I really need to get my main PC back into the game on a more serious level, and get some more PCs up too.
Partly for folding, partly for heating my room.
One thing I will not do is fold 24/7 - I can't stand noise in my room when I'm trying to sleep.  About 16 hours is the absolute maximum I could do, and 99% of the time much less.
I've resigned myself to being overtaken in the near future, anyway ... short of a miracle there's no way I can avoid it, even if I got every single computer in my house folding right now 24/7.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on December 02, 2008, 02:28:01 PM
The more you fold...the warmer the room stays.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 02, 2008, 02:57:05 PM
even with my CPU fan (Tuniq tower fan) at full speed, i just get used to the noise and fall asleep so its on 24/3 or so
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 02, 2008, 04:52:06 PM
since i starting using the SMP client, my Q6600 seems to be only getting 749 pointers......
anyone else getting 5113's and 5114's?

its just they they take agessssss
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 02, 2008, 05:07:24 PM
according to my yahoo widgit the one im currently on is worth about 1523 points and has 500,000 work units and its on 12% after about 2 1/2 hrs
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 02, 2008, 10:30:49 PM
Well, keep going, because there's no reason you shouldn't pass me!  I'm just gonna try to stay in the top ten!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 03, 2008, 02:43:10 AM
The more you fold...the warmer the room stays.
Exactly.  Plus, the cold weather means lower temps for your components.
even with my CPU fan (Tuniq tower fan) at full speed, i just get used to the noise and fall asleep so its on 24/3 or so
My computer is fairly quiet, my laptop even more so (on low fan speeds anyway).  I still can't get used to it no matter what.
since i starting using the SMP client, my Q6600 seems to be only getting 749 pointers......
749 points sounds good to me, but I'm not using that client so I'm not sure what's normal.
Well, keep going, because there's no reason you shouldn't pass me!  I'm just gonna try to stay in the top ten!
I'm going to aim for the top 5 - computeruler will soon pass me with his new upgrades, boo will overtake very soon.  That leaves me in 4th.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 03, 2008, 02:54:05 AM
don't feel dejected :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 03, 2008, 10:22:18 AM
computeruler has yet to produce, Calum.   ;)  He keeps threatening us...   ;D

(That's a nudge, old son, to get goin'!)

At this point, I just want to see what all of us together can do to the team ranking!

Now if Patio would just get going:  "Oh, maybe I'll fold a few units..."  Well, fold your clothes, old son -- let your computers fold the proteins!   ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 03, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
computeruler has yet to produce, Calum.   ;)  He keeps threatening us...   ;D
I know.  He only got his quad folding last night, I helped him set it up over MSN.  Expect the first unit in a few days at most.

Quote
(That's a nudge, old son, to get goin'!)
I'm doing my best!  I'm currently at maximum capacity - to improve, I need a few spare days and/or some more money, neither of which is likely to arrive on my doorstep any time soon.  I'll keep trying though.

Quote
At this point, I just want to see what all of us together can do to the team ranking!
We're improving almost daily.  I think the top 100 may not be out of reach by this time next year.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 03, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
i had my computer on all night but i think my dad turned it off he gets mad when i run it all night and i used fahmon and it says the one im on is 1760 points and im almost 30% done and i need to be done in 3 days
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 03, 2008, 10:30:31 PM
I was nudging CR to get going, and he has.   :)

I used to turn off my computer, but now leave it on for FAH. 

I'm not sure of the website, but I know there's at least one site where you can input all the devices your computer has, and it will give you an estimate of how much power it uses.  My modest system uses about 68 watts, about the same as a medium sized incandescent bulb.  Once I determined that, I wasn't so worried about letting the system run.

I'm really on your side, CR, with this -- I'd like to tell your dad to lighten up, and how it's for a good cause, but I can see his side of it, too -- he probably worries about the electric bill.  (I rather suspect he may have habits which use non-essential electricity -- most of us do -- but you're not gonna win that fight!)

Fold what you can -- we're still way ahead! 

2733 of 148915 teams is our current rank!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 04, 2008, 03:34:59 AM
My bad Aegis, thought you were talking to me.
As for the electricity bill, I don't think it's fair to leave things on if you don't at least pay towards the bill, e.g. if your parents pay it all.
I'm very power conscious as we're (the family as a whole) generally lacking in money, so unless I'm using something it's off.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 04, 2008, 05:01:07 AM
It's actually surprising how little power modern computers tend to use.  I keep mine on all day and the highest our energy bill has ever been is $13.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 04, 2008, 05:34:12 AM
Newer components can use less power than older ones and still be faster.
Take my PC as an example - I'm sure it's more energy efficient than my family's despite being much faster.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 04, 2008, 09:43:09 AM
Well, I'd been concerned for a while, with the trend toward larger power supplies -- seeing people write about installing 600 and 1000 watt power supplies.  Now, I know the system doesn't necessarily use all that power, but the trend seemed to be that the newer systems were considered "underpowered" if they didn't have one of these new huge power supply units.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 04, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
meh my dad wont let me run folding on their computer i said it just runs using your idel resourses! nothing! IT DOES NOTHINGGGGG he didnt listen
so i need a folding application for it that wont be noticed intel p4 2.2ghz 478 512mb ram from like 02 any ideas?
also for xmas im getting a 1000watt psu to power my 4870 and any future 4870s so the power bill will probably be reallly high right now i only have a 585 watt psu so i dont see the problem MEH
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 04, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
If your dad doesn't want something on the computer, then the best you can do is respect his wishes.  I'm sure you wouldn't like him installing something on your computer that you don't want.  After all, he can legally install supervision/monitoring software on your computer without needing your permission.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 04, 2008, 05:10:37 PM
well i need it on there to help and he doesnt understand at all
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on December 04, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
Send him to the website...or print their info page.
Who knows it may garner his interest.

Even if not you made the effort and should respect his wishes...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: BC_Programmer on December 04, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
well i need it on there to help and he doesnt understand at all

here let me fix that for you.

well i want it on there to help and he doesnt understand at all
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 05, 2008, 04:33:07 AM
If you install [email protected] on a computer without the owner's permission, you're contravening the EULA and, I believe, breaking the law.
I've seen people with over 10 million points have their [email protected] account suspended for this, and lose all their points.  I would imagine the appropriate authorities took action too.
As for PSUs and power use, it depends on the amount of juice your computer actually pulls, and how efficient the PSU is.  A very lightly or very heavily loaded system will be inefficient - for example, a system pulling 100W or 950W from a 1000W PSU will not be efficient.  I can't measure this as I don't have the tools, but I'm led to believe that most PSUs are most efficient around the middle of their capacity, so a 500-600W system on a 1000W PSU would be the most efficient, assuming that the PSU itself was rated at high efficiency.
Also, a lot of people tend to either under- or over-estimate the PSU wattage or amps they need, and either don't think about the PSU at all or buy a stupidly high rated one for a 200W system.
Just a bit of info anyway, hope it makes sense.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 05, 2008, 05:19:24 AM
well i need it on there to help and he doesnt understand at all

I wouldn't understand either.  My computer is my domain and nobody decides what goes on it but me.  If I don't want something, the decision is mine alone.  Your dad may very well feel the same way.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 05, 2008, 05:46:44 AM
wait 500-600 watt system on a 100watt power supply? you mean 1000watt?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 05, 2008, 05:52:45 AM
also one more question does peer guardian block the ips needed for folding?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 05, 2008, 07:42:01 AM
wait 500-600 watt system on a 100watt power supply? you mean 1000watt?
Yes, thanks for the correction.

[email protected] uses ports 80 and 8080 to send and receive data, if that's what you're asking.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 05, 2008, 01:19:10 PM
so will the peer gardian program interfere with it?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on December 05, 2008, 09:44:35 PM
Not if you read Calum's reply and make sure those ports are open.....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 05, 2008, 10:00:20 PM
ok
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: paudashlake on December 06, 2008, 08:15:43 AM
I have a 2.3 quad, so I think I am really helping out here.

HAHA!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 06, 2008, 09:22:57 AM
you told me 2.6 make up your mind! anyways you should talk to calum to get the  quad core client working cause calum is smart with this and its kinda hard to do (knowing what settings)
i just finished my first ever work unit on my quad!!! woot
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 07, 2008, 09:57:06 AM
Quote
I have a 2.3 quad, so I think I am really helping out here.

HAHA!


Paudashlake, how many units have you completed, so far?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 07, 2008, 11:19:26 AM
omg nooooooo im sooooooooo sad help help helP!
folding at home died the service thing so the service wont start
but i can start the client from program files the service just wont start at all ive tried going to the services and starting
IT WONT START!!
*goes to hide in corner and cry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 07, 2008, 10:45:54 PM
Died, how, CR? 

I mean, I don't think I can help you, but tell us more about what happened, so Calum can help you out.

You're really close to passing me!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 08, 2008, 02:52:21 AM
We spoke about it over IM last night.
The SMP client isn't really supposed to be run as a service, it's possible to run it but the guide I was using, which I linked CR to, states that it's not always stable.
I'm not sure how to fix this, but definitely something I'll look into and include in a guide, and and when I get round to writing one.
In the meantime, it's possible to run [email protected] as a program rather than a service, it's just a little more intrusive that way.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 08, 2008, 01:58:37 PM
restarted and its working fine now and also i have a dell p4 2.2ghz 512mb ram folding now
it just completed its 1st wu for 84 points and is now on one for 119
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 08, 2008, 06:07:37 PM
woot! i just passes agies and unloved warrior and am now in 8th! soon to be in 7th! might take a couple weeks to pass zylstra
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 08, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
Wise guy!

(It's about time!  ;))
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 09, 2008, 02:03:03 AM
I think I'll take 2nd in around 2 weeks.....exciting!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 09, 2008, 01:20:59 PM
i will take 7th in about 7 days it says
boo- it says youll take 2nd in about 1 month lol
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 09, 2008, 04:41:09 PM
it jumps from 7 days to 1 month
therefore, sometime between 7 days and a month into the future, i will overtake him. Comprendé?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 09, 2008, 08:01:30 PM
ok shure i have a question
on the one compuer running folding as a serivce there are 2 accounts on the computer and fah runs as a service on both.  So when signed on to ither account will it still be working on the same wu?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 10, 2008, 07:29:47 PM
and another question
my client keeps getting the same exact thing (project 2665) allways worth the 1920 credits
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 10, 2008, 07:52:42 PM
and another question
my client keeps getting the same exact thing (project 2665) allways worth the 1920 credits

That's not a question.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on December 10, 2008, 08:02:29 PM
i have a question for chris.

why is your avatar also the icon for profile? is there some kind of joke behind that? I've always wondered.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 10, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
i have a question for chris.

why is your avatar also the icon for profile? is there some kind of joke behind that? I've always wondered.
Yeah, it basically started off as a joke.  To see the thread that led to this, see here...
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,35221.0.html
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on December 11, 2008, 09:18:42 AM
And he is now famous for it....... ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on December 11, 2008, 09:23:30 AM
Man.....brings back memories....
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/street1-1/BabyRaptor.jpg)

Oh, why is Raptor a guest? Auto-delete? Someone like him?

EDIT: Ahah! (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/street1-1/baby.gif)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 11, 2008, 01:44:25 PM
lol lemme rephrase my question
my fah client keeps getting the same exact thing (project 2665) allways worth the 1920 credits.  Is this ok? is there something wrong?

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 12, 2008, 09:21:42 AM
It's fine.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 12, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
Man.....brings back memories....
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/street1-1/BabyRaptor.jpg)

Oh, why is Raptor a guest? Auto-delete? Someone like him?

EDIT: Ahah! (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l97/street1-1/baby.gif)

My guess is that Raptor either deleted his account or, like your first guess, it was an auto-delete.  One of the last times Nathan cleaned up the forum some, I believe he deleted accounts that had been inactive for a certain amount of time (maybe a year).  Raptor's account very likely would have fallen prey to this.

Anyway, let's try to not get too off-topic...

I got back into [email protected] sometime in the middle of last week and I'm about to get started on my third WU since returning (the first one was quite large).
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on December 12, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
I quit folding. My computer is too worthless for that. lol. When I wiped my hard drive I decided not to re-install it. If I get another computer I'll probably fold on this one.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on December 13, 2008, 11:09:13 AM
Fold the hard drive first....then your new build will do twice as much.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 14, 2008, 04:03:08 PM
100,000! :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 14, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
2490 of 149766

We are now within the top 2500 teams, and we'll be, at this rate, in the top 2000 in less than a month.  Nice!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 15, 2008, 02:18:51 AM
Good to see we're on our way up.
Nice work everyone, keep it up.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 15, 2008, 03:38:06 AM
Is it too late to join in??  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 15, 2008, 03:42:20 AM
It's never too late.
We'd be glad to have you on the team.
Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 15, 2008, 03:59:48 AM
yay  :D

Just got it working now and its kinda fascinating to watch for five minutes then it gets boring lol
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 15, 2008, 04:03:00 AM
Anyone but me notice you can drag the molecular structure thing around (really touchy) ??
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 15, 2008, 04:40:15 AM
Good to hear it's working for you, welcome to the team.
I don't use the graphical client now and haven't used it for around 2 years or more, so I've never noticed that you can drag the visualisation around.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 15, 2008, 05:20:10 AM
there's a non graphical client?

I suppose that runs so much more efficiently...

Is it from the same site?

(I suppose me being me i skim read straight past it :P)

I just found out you can zoom in and out too :D (mouse wheel)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on December 15, 2008, 03:50:09 PM
I don't think there's much of a difference in efficiency between the two versions.  I've used both and the only thing I've noticed is that command version seems to be a little more customizeable.  And it runs in the background a bit better.  I really can't detect a difference between the two version, but it may work out better in the long run without the graphics.  I prefer the GUI, however; it's simpler for me.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 15, 2008, 05:56:05 PM
Hmm okay well i'll keep my version for now then :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on December 16, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
Welcome aboard!  The more processors, the better!  We are trying to see how much we can improve the team's ranking, overall.
Title: Re: F[email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 16, 2008, 02:17:32 AM
What does it mean when It ways working 126/1500??

:S

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 16, 2008, 04:43:38 AM
That's how far along a unit it is.
The total unit is 1500 frames, so far you have completed 126 frames.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 16, 2008, 04:45:19 AM
ah ok thanks :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 16, 2008, 04:48:46 AM
You're welcome.
And to add to the dicussion (CLI vs GUI) - the CLI version can run less intrusively, and it will run faster if you watch the GUI visualisation, as that slows it down.  With the GUI in the tray, the difference in performance is virtually nil.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on December 16, 2008, 04:52:52 AM
Ah ok yeah I thought as much :) it just sits in my tray so i'm not worried :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 18, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
2nd place!!!!
yayyyyyyyy
sorry Calum...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on December 18, 2008, 09:27:29 PM
Hehe ohh boy Calum's not going to like that. :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 18, 2008, 09:35:53 PM
im thinking that maybe you're right :D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on December 18, 2008, 10:09:49 PM
At the rate you're going probably going to be surpassing me too soon.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on December 18, 2008, 10:15:09 PM
well, not quite
it will take quite a while but im not going anywhere soon
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 19, 2008, 05:29:37 AM
I'm not giving up ... just regrouping.
I should be able to get my main computer's production back up over the Christmas holidays, also my laptop is chugging away now I found room for it.  The first few units weren't much good, but now it has a 2500 point one to chew on so things seem to be improving.
I now have a network card for my Athlon XP machine, it just needs a CPU cooler now and I can get that on the job, I may be adding a new PSU and Radeon 3650 to it as well.
My dual P3 machine needs a new HDD before I can get that on the job.

Once I have those machines up and running I should be able to hold my position a little better and prepare to recommence an attack on 2nd place.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 20, 2008, 09:18:25 PM
i just finsihed a work load 4 hours ago worth 1760 and im on the same one again and its 20% done (keep in mind i have a lot of other various things running)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 21, 2008, 04:13:28 AM
On my main machine, with the GPU client, I'm always doing something else with it.
If you're not doing anything CPU-intensive it won't affect the client, and with 4 cores it's unlikely you'll affect it much anyway.
With the GPU client the GPU is always being used to draw the display (e.g. web pages) so it's always affected by whatever I'm doing, however the massive power of the graphics card means it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 22, 2008, 08:09:43 PM
i will be passing zylstra soon yay!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ashutosh32 on December 23, 2008, 03:02:36 AM
I understand the part about creating a Super Computer but how does it relate to curing diseases?
 ???
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on December 23, 2008, 03:17:56 AM
I understand the part about creating a Super Computer but how does it relate to curing diseases?
 ???

Believe this is answered in the first thread:

... [email protected] it's a project started by Stanford University to help understand protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases. When proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes.

In other words you're computer is folding and unfolding a protein in different ways looking for similarities between a folded protein and a known disease. Knowing which protein misfolded is causing a disease or cancer is one more step in understanding it and allowing for a cure to be developed.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on December 23, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
So have they found any misfolded proteins for any major stuff, or anything yet?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 24, 2008, 03:58:41 AM
There are always results being published.
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Papers
I'm led to believe that recently there have been two important Alzheimer's research papers completed thanks to science performed by [email protected], I heard we'll see results (as in, drugs or treatments resulting from that research) in 2010.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 25, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
ok i got my new gpu! i think i need help setting up the gpu client lol
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 25, 2008, 01:08:56 PM
It's pretty easy.
Place the install file in a directory of your choice (I used C:\FAH\GPU) and start it.
Go through the process and fill in your settings.
Keep an eye on your temperatures as new ATI cards are known to get extremely hot.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 25, 2008, 01:30:47 PM
ok i will install the fan hack and ill try to install it then and i need to set my cpu client to low priority now right?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on December 25, 2008, 01:38:25 PM
If you left the SMP client alone after we set it up, you can leave that.
When you install the GPU client, set it to "slightly higher (idle)" or it's called soemthing similar.
Which fan hack is this?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on December 25, 2008, 01:52:25 PM
the one where you change a profile or somehting like that
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on January 11, 2009, 05:36:18 PM
Don't really know anything about it but i signed up  and it's running
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 12, 2009, 03:13:31 AM
Great to have you on board, slidewayz.
If you need any help or want to check about anything to do with [email protected], feel free to post here.
Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on January 12, 2009, 04:47:53 PM
ok i signed up its working away
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on January 17, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
Up to 9th  fixing to be #8 I leave it on 24/7  just so maybe I can contribute in some little way
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on January 17, 2009, 11:35:22 PM
If they had an Xbox 360 mod, I'd be contributing far more than I do now.  But last I read, they weren't planning on making one for 360.  Has anyone heard otherwise?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 18, 2009, 05:17:42 AM
Good to hear, slidewayz.  What client(s) are you running, now?

Unfortunately Chris, no Xbox 360 client is planned as far as I know, only the PS3 one.
I was hoping for a PS2 client - it can run Linux, so it's not too much to hope I thought.  OK, it's a slow CPU, but it's 128-bit, so if they'd coded a client specifically for it I think it would do OK.  Still, it's quite old technology now, so I guess it makes sense not to create yet another client.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on January 18, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Up to 9th  fixing to be #8 I leave it on 24/7  just so maybe I can contribute in some little way

Looking good, great progress and thanks for the participation. I've added a [email protected] icon to your profile. :)

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on January 18, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
Thanks,I will help all i can
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 23, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
passing zylstra in about 10 minutes
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 24, 2009, 03:36:34 AM
passed him and about to go into 5th
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 24, 2009, 10:18:50 AM
That was a bit more than 10 minutes!

On a serious note, well done CR.
We are in need of some more active members.  I appreciate that the members marked as inactive (haven't submitted WUs for a time) probably have good reasons, and that sometimes it's just because your computer isn't top of the range (which isn't important, it's the contribution that counts and never mind the amount IMO).
I need some time to get to work on those guides ... I think I may post a thread in the FAQ board regardless, with at least some titles to show what I intend to cover.  Then when I have a spare five minutes I can add to it, rather than thinking "oh, I need to start a thread...I'll leave it a while longer".
If it doesn't appear, please remind me, someone.
Edit: done.  It's at least started, is all I can say.
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,75377
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on January 24, 2009, 05:24:55 PM
lol!
i can see that you put some serious effort into that thread ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 24, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
it was proabably less then 10 minutes or something like that but I had to go to bed and didnt see.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 25, 2009, 02:58:07 AM
lol!
i can see that you put some serious effort into that thread ;)
I have a lot on my plate right now, definitely more than I can handle.
The thread is there more as a reminder of what I need to do than anything else.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: boo on January 25, 2009, 07:42:42 AM
didnt mean to offend, was merely trying to be funny..... kinda
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 25, 2009, 08:00:05 AM
Heh, it's OK, no offence taken.
Just wanted to explain that I have way too much on (as usual) which is why there's not much in that thread at all.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on January 26, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
I'm down two computers at my place.  I might run the client on my laptop, and can't run it on the other surviving system at this time.  We hope to have at least one new system in the next month or two.  Then I can jump in again.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 26, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
Woot! Cant wait!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 26, 2009, 07:59:59 PM
OMG SOMEONES PASSING ME!!!! I need to get fah on my cpu working!!! Screw SETI!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on January 27, 2009, 12:41:50 AM
OMG SOMEONES PASSING ME!!!! I need to get fah on my cpu working!!! Screw SETI!!!!!!!!

Lol...I'm about to try again with my new C2D...

My old celeron just couldn't even do one unit  ::)  :-[
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on January 27, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
What is a C2D?  ???
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 27, 2009, 01:08:21 PM
C2D = Core 2 Duo (not to steal your thunder, Kurtis).
Will be nice to see you back in action Aegis, as and when it's possible.
I need to get myself in gear with [email protected] and get some more crunching going, but I'm really lacking time, other things keep taking priority.
Wish list (excluding hardware): air conditioning for my room (yes, it's winter...it still gets warm), more power sockets, wiring capable of providing more power, more space.  I have the hardware, just not enough cooling/power/room for it all.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on January 27, 2009, 02:23:30 PM
I wish to the ninth ring of Hades and back that people would define the acronyms they use, once in a while!   >:(
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on January 27, 2009, 05:12:26 PM
I was under the impression SETI had shut down...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 27, 2009, 05:34:51 PM
guess not.  Stupid fah cpu client I cant get it to work
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 28, 2009, 02:20:23 AM
I wish to the ninth ring of Hades and back that people would define the acronyms they use, once in a while!   >:(
Was that aimed at me too, since I used [email protected] in my post replying to what a C2D was?
If so ... check the thread title ;)
Excessive use of acronyms annoys me, but mostly a few acronyms don't bother me, I have to deal with them a lot anyway.

I was under the impression SETI had shut down...
[email protected] is still going as far as I know, it's just not as popular as it used to be, due to the growing popularity of [email protected] and other distributed computing projects such as WCG.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on January 28, 2009, 08:09:05 PM
C2D = Core 2 Duo (not to steal your thunder, Kurtis).

Sorry Aegis  ::)

I used to type it out...but got sick of it so i resorted to C2D  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 29, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
This is annoying.  I tried both smp clients and none of these use more than one core! And for some reason the gpu version is using a total of 1 core too.  Is that normal?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on January 30, 2009, 02:44:30 AM
The GPU client should be using 1 core (on older drivers) or, I believe, very little CPU (<10%) on newer ones.  Can't say for certain as I don't have an ATI card, or indeed new drivers for my Nvidia, but that's what I've heard.
As for the SMP clients, check your flags and the instructions on the [email protected] site and forum, is all I can say for now.  I might have time to go through it again sometime soon if you're still having problems.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on January 31, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
O cause I have 8.10 drivers cause I herd they are the best and I am having probs with the other ones (accually i got bsods with these too) I guess I will try the cpu again and follow the directions on the site
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 01, 2009, 08:13:40 PM
I think I need to get 8.12 drivers and I NEED to get the cpu client to use 100% cpu somehow.  Slidwayz is beating me.  He has like a e8400 if I remember and I have a q6600.  Mine should finish faster right?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on February 02, 2009, 03:43:20 AM
I don't know what ATI drivers you need ... you can research that as easily as I could.
Something to include in my FAQ for sure, when I know what's what.
If you and Slidewayz are both using the uniprocessor client, he will beat you.  Simple maths, 3GHz is better than 2.4.
If you were running the SMP client and had it set up properly, you would finish SMP units faster than the E8400 would finish them.
It all depends on the client.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 02, 2009, 02:10:43 PM
Stupid smp cleint wont work no matter what I do.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on February 02, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
Do you get error messages?
What happens when you try to install the SMP?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 02, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
Well sometimes it says something about mpeiex or something not there or something.  Before that when its working its not even using all the cpu.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 02, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
Before that when its working its not even using all the cpu.

Mine doesn't utilise 100% either, more in the 40-60% Cp usage range
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 03, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
Mine did use 100%
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 03, 2009, 04:49:46 PM
I was under the impression that it'd use 100% CPU during idle times and will appear as less on a dual or multi-core processor.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 03, 2009, 05:26:16 PM
The unicore client yes.  I am trying the smp client that will use 100% of a multicore cpu
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on February 03, 2009, 08:58:35 PM
Not that it makes a difference, except maybe 1 WU or so, my server lost power (Transformer in Orondo blew... they never gave details.)
Lucky me, this time, my server didnt get fried. You could tell it was a transformer though, power goes off, comes on for a second, off agian, on for a second, off again, on for a second, off, and continues to be off.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 03, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
16th    kurtiskain       401 Points       1 WU

Woot  ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 04, 2009, 04:47:16 PM
16th    kurtiskain       401 Points       1 WU

Woot  ;D

Congratulations. I've added the [email protected] icon to your user profile.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 04, 2009, 05:09:28 PM
Now I will attempt the setup of the smp client again
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 04, 2009, 05:42:06 PM
So, how do I join this?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 04, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
16th    kurtiskain       401 Points       1 WU

Woot  ;D

Congratulations. I've added the [email protected] icon to your user profile.

Thankyou :)

Now I will attempt the setup of the smp client again

After all the trouble you seem to have been going through...I'll keep to my standard one  ;D

So, how do I join this?

So, how do I join this?

Refer to the first post for links, team number.
Download and install the client.
put it the CH team number and your preferred name on the team.
After completing one work unit you will be placed on the team scoreboard, and Nathan will add you.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 04, 2009, 09:41:50 PM
Im confused. I think Ijoined it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 05, 2009, 01:52:54 PM
I installed smp client it went fine but will only use one core!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on February 05, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
That's fine -- run it that way!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 05, 2009, 04:55:01 PM
But it goes slower :'( :'( about 2 hrs and only 3% I am posting on the folding forum.  Lets hope they know
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 05, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
The thing is...I'm using the Unicore client and I'm happy with 50% usage...It lets me play games and such with [email protected] running in the background.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 05, 2009, 05:37:03 PM
So, how can I make this go faster. I've been running it two days strait and it's only at 560/1500
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 05, 2009, 05:40:21 PM
So, how can I make this go faster. I've been running it two days strait and it's only at 560/1500

It's all defendant on your processor in your computer and what you're running on it. So really the only method of getting it to go faster would be to get a faster machine. Also if you're turning it off every night it's only going to be working while the computer is on.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 05, 2009, 05:50:07 PM
Ok, I see. Well can I not set it to use more cpu? And no I leave it on at night.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 05, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
So, why aren't I on the team list?

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/awards/cert.php?u=Google&pts=244&t=wus&bg=3
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 05, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
You have to complete a full work unit first, and then they update every 3 hours I believe.

Edit: Sorry, I just saw your certificate and OMG how did you chew through that many so fast?

You did enter the team number in during setup?
IF you haven't, you need to open the config for your client, and enter the team number: 67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on February 06, 2009, 01:16:59 AM
So, why aren't I on the team list?

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/awards/cert.php?u=Google&pts=244&t=wus&bg=3

Are you part of the Computer Hope team? I don't see your name on the list (http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=67290) of members who've completed units. Make sure you're on team # 67290

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 07:12:25 AM
Well, Im pretty sure I eentered that number. I'll check again.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 06, 2009, 01:26:05 PM
Also i just learned that you cant edit the config file with a txt editor and if you want to add the team £ you have to delete the config file and open fah again.  These people at the folding forum are very knowledgable it seems
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 03:46:33 PM
Ok, I keep entering the team number but it says I'm on my own team??!

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Google
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 06, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
Ok, I keep entering the team number but it says I'm on my own team??!

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Google
Well uh...WOAH 11th team?! that is no small feat...

Perhaps like computeruler stated, you need to delete your config files and restart [email protected]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 04:08:34 PM
I'll uninstall and reinstall.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 04:13:26 PM
Ok, I deleted the config files and re entered my username and team number, so hopefully that works...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 06, 2009, 05:13:21 PM
did I forget to mention? CPU CLIENT IS NOW USING 100% CPU
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 05:18:19 PM
HUH?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 05:19:15 PM
AHH! Im still on the googe, team *censored*.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
Ok, I changed my username now hopefully it will work.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
I am so confused, why is this page blank?
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Mr._Google
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 06:27:02 PM
Yet theres this:

Quote
My Information
Username: Mr._Google
Team number: 67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 06, 2009, 08:06:29 PM
Oh man, why aren't I on the team?

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=MrGoogle
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kip on February 06, 2009, 08:12:56 PM
Oh man, why aren't I on the team?

Have you completed a work unit yet?
Your username will not be added to the team list until you complete a work unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 07, 2009, 08:18:03 AM
I have completed many work units but for some reason im joining all these other stupid teams. Maybe the username is taken?

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Google
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on February 07, 2009, 08:50:27 AM
The work units stay with the team they were earned under...you need to complete a CH work unit.....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 07, 2009, 09:34:55 AM
I know, but how do I do that because it said that It was like 850/1500 but not for any team. So why isn't it counting it for CH? I have the correct number in for team number.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kip on February 07, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
I know, but how do I do that because it said that It was like 850/1500 but not for any team. So why isn't it counting it for CH? I have the correct number in for team number.

The 850/1500 is probably the number of frames you have completed.
Frames are parts of a work unit, not complete work units.
If you have completed 850 frames out of 1500, you have completed about 56% of a work unit.
Once this work unit is complete, you should be added to the team list.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on February 08, 2009, 09:37:45 PM
Kip's right...when that number becomes 1500/1500, that will be one work unit.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 09, 2009, 07:31:21 AM
Ok, well why did it say I completed like 63 WU then?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 09, 2009, 01:27:54 PM
You completed 63 frames?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Google on February 09, 2009, 03:39:33 PM
Idk, what ever I uninstalled it and screwed it. :-X :-X
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 09, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
come back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 10, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
still working away 4th  but i think thats as high as I'm going  lol .... congrats ch team
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 10, 2009, 07:41:39 PM
your mean.  But you have the same psu as me.  But still mean
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 10, 2009, 08:26:31 PM
also, how are you getting so many points!!?? thats whay I want to know
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 11, 2009, 05:38:25 AM
I have the gpu and cpu  running at 100%  24/7 .  I pause it when I start gaming
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on February 11, 2009, 06:12:35 AM
Quote
I pause it when I start gaming


You stop folding to game???  ???

Is that allowed?   :D

Thanks for helping out!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 11, 2009, 01:58:07 PM
me too! but how are you getting that many more points! 2.4 x 4 = 9.6 4 x 2=8 
i should be getting more! shure its like you have double the graphics of me but still
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 11, 2009, 04:39:31 PM
I don't really know   ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 11, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
Shure i dont run it 24/7 but w/e.  Whats your power bill like with that 1000 watt psu running 24/7
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 11, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
Not enough to worry about  lol.The only reason I got it  is because i'm going to crossfire 2 of these 4870x2  just as soon as the other one comes in.I like overkill lol
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 11, 2009, 07:46:22 PM
I got it cause it was on sale for 130$ on the egg.  And i might xfire 4870s and i thought 750 wasnt enough
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 11, 2009, 07:58:05 PM
Thats a good deal.I paid over 200 for mine at the local computer store here.But thats ok, the guys there cut me great deals on alot of stuff
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on February 12, 2009, 01:43:13 AM
A 1000W PSU doesn't mean your computer always uses 1000W - it's the components that pull the juice which determine how much power is used.
slidewayz may be getting more points for a number of reasons.
Just a few possibilities:
1. He runs his computer a lot more than you.
2. He has twice the graphics power.
3. The CPU client (s) he's running are gaining more points because his clock speed is much higher.
4. The graphics drivers he is using are better optimized for [email protected]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 12, 2009, 04:51:52 PM
slide: what gpu drivers are you using
im on 8.10 because ive been trying tons of drivers to stop these BSODs but no avail
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 12, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
ATI Catalyst™ 9.1 Display Driver for Windows XP Professional/Home Edition
This is the newest driver,was using the 8.10 driver before that and never had a problem
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 12, 2009, 05:48:07 PM
They came out with a new one? Time to uprade!!!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on February 12, 2009, 06:09:39 PM
yep,it was released the end of last month.Seems to be stable so far
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on February 12, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
I will get it when I get the time.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on February 21, 2009, 08:23:56 PM
Gonna try running [email protected] on Windows 7  ;D

See if it is a total CPU Killer
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on February 22, 2009, 04:47:25 AM
[email protected] is apparently working fine with Windows 7, from what I've heard.
Would be nice to get some more feedback on that though, if you give it a shot.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 01, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
slowley gaingin on slidewayz  ;D he hasnt moved
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: slidewayz14 on March 01, 2009, 05:26:15 PM
Not for long lol. been out of town since Thursday but it's cranked back up now
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 01, 2009, 06:48:52 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEE     >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on March 01, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Noé (Noah) was the last opera of the composer Fromental Halévy.

Didn't know you were a fan...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 01, 2009, 11:03:50 PM
[email protected] is apparently working fine with Windows 7, from what I've heard.
Would be nice to get some more feedback on that though, if you give it a shot.

It seems to be chugging along nicely, the display function no longer works, as I have the standard WDM drivers installed for my card.

one day it got stuck saying 'attempting to send results', even while a new WU was working away in the background.

NOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEE     >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'(

Don't worry, I'm just above CBMatt and there's a huge gap between me and unlovedwarrior.... *cry*

I am however, only using the unicore...so...I guess it is my own fault.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on March 02, 2009, 02:44:53 AM
Good to hear it's working for you Kurtis.
I'm managing to gain on boo, despite the fact that I haven't had time to set up my system the way I want it yet.
I may have something in the works soon though to propel me onwards ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dairyman on March 02, 2009, 09:51:30 PM
I'm tempted to reinstall this again and share some CPU power. The system idle process is almost always at 100%.

:: Edit ::

YAY! Installed and working!
I've configured it to work for the CH Team.

:: Edit II ::

Holy cow!! How long does it take to do one unit?!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on March 02, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
The completion of a unit is all dependent on how fast your computer is, what other things are running on the computer, and the size of the WU. Usually takes 10+ hours for each unit. Which is why they need computers from around the world to help fold, it's a complicated task that takes a lot of CPU power.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dairyman on March 03, 2009, 02:08:31 AM
I left it running on my computer while I was out. I've done 9 WU's so far and counting.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 03, 2009, 05:50:02 AM
In one day? I highly doubt it espicially with those specs. You probably finsished 9 FRAMES
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on March 03, 2009, 06:20:43 AM
Computeruler could be correct. If it's saying something such as 9/250 that would simply be 9 frames of the 250 it needs to go to complete one unit. In any case I'll watch the stats and get you updated on to the team once I see your name up there.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dairyman on March 03, 2009, 04:23:32 PM
Ah, so it was 9 frames. Alright, I'll start it when I go out today and leave it running.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on March 03, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
Cool!  Gonna have to see if I can get my desktop back into it.  It's slow, but it's better than an abacus!   ::)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 03, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Go dumpster diving for old computers and hook them up all together somehow to make one super computer!  :D :D then use the smp client  ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 05, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
slidwayz seems to be maintaining a 9k point lead against me  >:(
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 06, 2009, 05:24:49 AM
ooo! its down to 7k points! :o :o
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on March 11, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
i see your post was started 2 years ago , this must be the same as we had in britain

3/4 years ago they wanted 1000s of pc's to look at the planets and it worked of

coarse it has stopped now , will any pc do , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 11, 2009, 03:43:12 PM
i see your post was started 2 years ago , this must be the same as we had in britain

3/4 years ago they wanted 1000s of pc's to look at the planets and it worked of

coarse it has stopped now , will any pc do , harry

You mean SETI?

I think it is still going.

anyway, yes any PC will do the job :)

It even states a 500MHz Pentium 3 will get the WU's done in time
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 11, 2009, 04:20:19 PM
Yes SETI is still going
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on March 11, 2009, 05:00:14 PM
if i let my pc go forward do i have to do or take part in anything to earn points or credits for ch , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 11, 2009, 05:23:29 PM
Nope just run the sofwatre software
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on March 11, 2009, 05:26:03 PM
ok i will do it to-morow , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 12, 2009, 01:40:06 AM
Just remember to enter the CH team number!

67290
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 12, 2009, 05:06:35 PM
Ya! wouldnt want to forget that!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 15, 2009, 01:33:13 AM
Has someone been folding for me? How can I get active processors 5, in 50 days, when I only use 4 at most :S

And the Celeron hasnt run [email protected] for over a month...this is scary :S
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on March 15, 2009, 02:13:33 AM
Yeah I think I have this same situation where some users are using my "computerhope", unfortunately to my knowledge there is no way to see each computer under a username.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on March 15, 2009, 02:47:21 AM
You can set up computer ID's, I think, but, I'm not completely sure if they actually show up as different computers.

I thought there was a password option somewhere in it...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on March 15, 2009, 04:22:06 AM
You can set up computer ID's, I think, but, I'm not completely sure if they actually show up as different computers.
They don't, it's to use multiple clients on one machine.

Quote
I thought there was a password option somewhere in it...
There is, and as far as I know that's the only way to prevent someone folding under your username.

Has someone been folding for me? How can I get active processors 5, in 50 days, when I only use 4 at most :S
Sometimes this happens to me, seems to be if something weird happens with the client and/or servers, or a reformat/reinstall sometimes causes it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 15, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
I wish they would fold under my name....
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on March 15, 2009, 01:58:01 PM
what do you mean , fold under your name and Has someone been folding for me? How can I get active processors 5, in 50 days, when I only use 4 at most :S
harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 15, 2009, 09:43:50 PM
Harry:

The servers of [email protected] keep track of how many processors are being linked to your [email protected] account.
I was curious, because I only use 4 CPUs

E7400 (unicore client)
Athlon XP 2200+
Celeron 2.5GHz/128KB Cache/400FSB
*sometimes* school machine, running the old Win98 client, so I could install it hehe
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 16, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
I use 3 and I cant seem to see how many cpus I have at the moment
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on March 16, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Intel Core 2 Duo
Intel Pentium III x 2
Few older systems, however they're kept offline mostly now
PS3
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 16, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
I did make a thread for that you know  ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 17, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
I did make a thread for that you know  ;)

Yeh I know :P I posted there too
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 17, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
I was talking to the admin  :P
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on March 17, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
Oops obviously got confused with the windows I had opened. :) It was meant to go in your post.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on March 17, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
lol
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Kurtiskain on March 19, 2009, 01:57:19 AM
Look out Kip...I'm moving on up ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Tux2 on March 31, 2009, 09:45:31 AM
Hello guys,
I just thought I would share my experience folding in both Windows Vista 64bit and SuSE (linux) 11.0 on the same machine.  On the Windows Vista client I downloaded the latest stable single core version.  I have found that it folds at least 6x as slow as the client I have in my SuSE partition.  I have an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz, 1333fsb, and to me that means that at the most I should be folding at only 3x the speed of the Windows one... :-\  hmm....  I would have to say that I am probably going to do most of my folding under linux until the 64bit one for Vista comes out.  Watch out guys, here I come :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dairyman on April 04, 2009, 02:32:51 AM
I have just completed 1 work unit!   8)

But it the second one has 1500 frames!  :o

OH SHEET!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 04, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
I have just completed 1 work unit!   8)

But it the second one has 1500 frames!  :o

OH SHEET!
Congrats and thanks. I've added you to the team.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Dairyman on April 04, 2009, 04:23:02 AM
YQW.  ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 08, 2009, 04:31:57 PM
hi admin , i went to foldinghome site downloaded it , filled in the first part and now it will not open to fill in the other 2 parts did i do something wrong , also i do not know what to tick in the other 2 parts , harry

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 08, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
It looks ok to me
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 09, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
you mean thats all i have to do and all i can do , is there nothing i can take part in or do , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 09, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
The only settings that you'd need to be concerned about is in the User tab. All other settings can be left at the recommended settings. Once this is done, simply make sure the folding @ home icon shows in the bottom corner of your screen and it should be fine.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 09, 2009, 02:27:05 PM
i tried to open it and this is what came up should i uninstall and install again

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 09, 2009, 02:30:42 PM
Are you sure this is not running in the background. You could try opening Task Manager (CTRL + ALT + DEL) and manually ending the [email protected] task or you may want to just reboot the computer and if it's not running on boot (you don't see the icon (http://www.computerhope.com/folding.gif) in the bottom corner of your screen) then try opening it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 09, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
its in task manager but at 00 , no icon anywhere

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 09, 2009, 03:44:07 PM
just come up beside the clock and says , cpu [email protected] : working @ 0/500 , do i configure

in reply 574 or leave it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on April 09, 2009, 03:50:50 PM
If you've got that (working (0/500)) it's working on a unit. It'll take time to increase. But as time goes on that 0 should increase.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 09, 2009, 03:55:03 PM
ok thanks for your help , just happy to join in , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 13, 2009, 04:18:48 PM
C H ADMIN

its at 50/100 but i went into it and found this and a few more , is this CH or another team or doe's it not work like that

also the icon will not stay in the task bar , and has not appeared under my name or have i to complete something for that , harry

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on April 13, 2009, 04:23:37 PM
I think that's for a different team, Harry!   :o

I didn't know one could join multiple teams. 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 13, 2009, 04:37:11 PM
i thought that and i put in ch team number and there are another 2 teams as well , i hope ch admin can tell me how to fix it

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on April 13, 2009, 04:45:14 PM
We'll have to figure out how to help you fix it!

Interesting that it would let you choose mulitples.

 :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 13, 2009, 04:53:53 PM
i posted what i filled in on joining , and i pm cha hope you both sort it

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 13, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
They are probably just people with the same names
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on April 13, 2009, 05:14:47 PM
Not a bad thought, CR, but the system won't let you have a name that exists, already.  Aegis was taken in [email protected], so that's why I had to add something to it.  I am AegisPrime in [email protected]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 13, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Change your name then to something unused
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 13, 2009, 05:22:41 PM
there are about 25 with harry and as aegis said you cant have more than 1 harry as you can see below i have more than 1 team about 25 in fact should i have got a passkey

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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 13, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
just change it to something else like xXHarryXx.  I bet thats unused
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 13, 2009, 05:34:10 PM
ok i will do what about tjis in the other post

also the icon will not stay in the task bar , and has not appeared under my name or have i to complete something for that , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 13, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
You need to finish 1 wu before you get the icon
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 14, 2009, 12:01:13 PM
ok thank you and where do you hold the welcome party , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 14, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
The admin will add it as soon as he sees it in the team
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 21, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
 i joined [email protected] and the target is going slowly up to 500 ( at 110 ) , which i take it that is the purpose

if i got 2/3 of my friends to use their pc's in my name can you / i do that and would it make my total go up faster , is this what is meant when a few people on here have said " people folding in my name and i have 3/4 cpu's working  "

i think this is the last , the icon will not stay in the tray i have to open it up every night and some times i forget ( old you see ) can i get it to start its self , my start up is empty

thank you for your help , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 22, 2009, 02:06:16 AM
You can have people fold under your name, but you must have written permission from them in order to do so, as specified in the EULA.
To get [email protected] to start up with your computer, just make a shortcut to it in the startup folder.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 22, 2009, 09:55:47 PM
I just realized something...

I could have all the computer lab computers doing this... heck, the entire school.
Thats... about 250 computers? Give or take about 50.
Hmm...
Is it possible to make it run completely hidden, so as not to cause any visual problems?

Time to make and distribute an Automatic Installer package...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 23, 2009, 06:17:59 AM
good idea , go to it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on April 23, 2009, 11:35:41 AM
The console client doesn't show up, when installed as a service it runs silently.
Copy the config file, and no need to create an installer package.
Do get written permission though, or you risk consequences.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 26, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
got the icon in the startup will try it to-morrow and i also got it on my desk top very easy to do , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 26, 2009, 04:02:24 PM
My server had another crash, due to a freak hardware failure, so its not folding anymore... not until I fix it.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on April 27, 2009, 12:43:17 PM
the icon appears in the tray so it works fine
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Zylstra on April 27, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
My server had another crash, due to a freak hardware failure, so its not folding anymore... not until I fix it.

I found out it was an IDE Cable, and in incredibly easy fix once FSCK got things figured out. Its back on now.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on April 28, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
Dont you hate it when those cables go bad! You buy new stuff to find out its still not working then its a $1 ide cable that you proabably have lying around anyways!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on May 15, 2009, 04:43:15 AM
weeks ago i got folding up and working fine 320/500 and then i went to task manager to look for things that should not be there and found , fahcore_78.exe , i open it and went through it and what i saw i thought it was malware or something and took it out

i found out it was for folding so downloaded it again , but the settings changed from queue 2 to q 3 and 0/5000 , ok i got to 850 and it went back to zero again

its my fault so what can i do , if nothing i'll just take it all out

please help , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on May 15, 2009, 04:54:44 AM
I don't believe you can recover that particular work unit.  Please don't be discouraged.  You may have to take out all the existing, so you can reload the software and start again. 

Someone else here may be more familiar, and better tell you what you might be able to do.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on May 15, 2009, 05:34:45 AM
thanks aegis , i know theres a big time difference so i might hear later
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 04, 2009, 06:56:56 AM
So I am trying to convince my roommate to do some folding.
I told him that I can set it up to use the minimum amount of resources.  I think he might be open to it, are there any articles that you guys can throw my way that might sway his decision?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 04, 2009, 07:17:40 AM
How about this article (http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1164), from the official forums?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 04, 2009, 07:22:16 AM
Thanks Calum, I'm going to pass that one on.

I'd used the argument that it wouldn't interupt his movie conversions, but that's amazing, thanks man.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 04, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
You're welcome.
If he's doing intensive stuff it might be best to set the [email protected] usage to 90 or 95% - on my machine I don't notice any performance difference, but on the other hand [email protected] can slightly affect my family's machine with an Athlon 3200+, making it feel a little sluggish.  Setting [email protected] to use 95% CPU cleared that right up.
Also, remember the client can be easily paused or stopped if he needs every last bit of performance.  With the tray client it's just a click to pause, with the console client (which you can run invisibly as a service, if that appeals) it's easy to make a batch file which can pause, stop, resume etc folding - that's what I do.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 04, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
Yes, that's perfect, I'd planned on setting him up with the CPU systray version anyway, your arguments are only making mine stronger.

Keep going, add a few more...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 04, 2009, 08:02:25 AM
This (http://techreport.com/articles.x/4341/1) is what I was looking for, finally found it.
Basically it shows the performance impact of [email protected] on various benchmarks.  As the hardware used in that is fairly old (they measure a "high end system" with an Athlon XP 2100+ and 512MB RAM, and a medium spec system with a Duron 1.2GHz/256MB RAM) the impact nowadays should actually be lower.
Also these are just benchmarks, so I'd expect "real life" results to show an even lower impact.
Definitely very persuasive with all the charts, if performance is the main concern.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 04, 2009, 08:04:15 AM
I bow down and worship....


<flintstones>hola salema.....</flintstones>
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 04, 2009, 08:05:10 AM
Hehe, happy to help.
If it persuades someone else to join the "fold", it's for a great cause.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 12, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
can someone tell me how to fold quicker i'm on fahcore _ 7c.exe it use's  90/94 % and it works at 0/1500
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 12, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
Get a faster computer
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 12, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
Quote
Get a faster computer

Ya think??? 

Gee,who's gonna pay for it???

That's one thing about this site which burns me, sometimes:  the assumption some members make that other members just have money to burn.  Just because life or the economy hasn't hurt them, everyone else must be fine, too.

My laptop computer has become my full time computer.  The only reason I'm still on here, after two processors and at least one board died last year, and I haven't yet been able to replace them, is that I've cobbled together all the remnants I had to keep a desktop working for my spouse.

There's another system in the house which was given to us because the video quit working.  I had an old PCI video card (64 MB RAM) that I slapped into it, and XP said, "Hey, it's old, but I'm gonna run it, anyway."  Not good as new, but good enough.

They're all 2 GHz systems.  I fold on the laptop part time, and sometimes on one of the others.

We are hoping to be able to upgrade at least one of the desktops to dual core in the next month or two...we'll see.

Technology-wise, I'm living off remnants of my former life, when I made a fair amount more money than I make now.

I can't even get close to typing the rest of what I'm thinking. 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: BC_Programmer on July 12, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
saw that, I agree completely.

If it wasn't for my High School computer Science teacher giving me a 386, a Pentium, and my previous K6-2 PC as well as two laptops; as well as his insistence that I do well in my other classes (which ended up including doing the homework from those classes in his class) I probably would have never graduated on the honour roll... if at all. Because of that, I have had a appreciation for the technology that is in all computers, from a "lowly" 286, to a Quad core Pentium 4. They are all feats of engineering and should be recognized as such.

Additionally, I might point out my recent "flame" regarding obselescence, in which somebody insisted there was a "planned obscelescence" in the industry and that we all "had to" keep up.

Something only becomes obsolete if you let it; my old K6-2 (now redubbed "MEGATRON") still get's used as a mess-around machine, whereas those who only believe in progress without an appreciation for the steps that that progress builds upon would have discarded it

Quote
I had an old PCI video card (64 MB RAM) that I slapped into it, and XP said, "Hey, it's old, but I'm gonna run it, anyway."  Not good as new, but good enough.

oh YEAH! Well, I ran XP For 3 years with a 8MB ATI Rage Pro! yeah, that's right! HAHA

although it was an AGP card. Wait, was? I still have it right here. sentimental value.

Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 12, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
I only said that because harry wanted to know how to fold faster.  Its the only way.  Or upgrade a little.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: CBMatt on July 13, 2009, 12:44:04 AM
That's one thing about this site which burns me, sometimes:  the assumption some members make that other members just have money to burn.  Just because life or the economy hasn't hurt them, everyone else must be fine, too.
Honestly, I think it's just that he's a kid who doesn't really have much of a concept yet for money and how the world works.  I'm sure I probably would've had a similar attitude when I was 13.

I love your signature, by the way.  One of my biggest pet peeves.  "Definitely" has no "a" sound whatsoever.  It's not "definATTly" or "definATEly".  How people can include an "a" is completely beyond me.  It seems like people these days are too dumb to understand root words and relative words.  For example, we say "define" not "defane", so the spelling should be obvious.  Another irksome spelling is "congradulations".  I can almost understand, but come on...people say "congrats" for short, not "congrads"!  Argh.  I'm going to stop here before I really start ranting.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 13, 2009, 01:22:44 AM
I was just answering harrys question, jeez.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 13, 2009, 03:40:09 AM
I hear you all there.
Not to drag the thread further off topic, but the way some people (no one in particular) treat money is ridiculous.  They're just given it and so never learn the value.
I don't want to get on my high horse and say I'm better than anyone else, but I've worked constantly since I was 13, and 99% of what I own I paid for myself.  The other 1% are birthday presents or gifts from better-off family members, my family has never had much money and so I've never been handed everything I wanted on a plate like some people.  I'd like to think that I have some idea of the value of money for those reasons, and so when anyone mentions anything like this I can understand exactly where you're coming from.

To get back to the topic, computeruler is right although he could have phrased it a little better.
The only ways to fold faster are to upgrade your CPU, add a folding-capable graphics card, or fold on more computers.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 13, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
Get a faster computer
I only said that because harry wanted to know how to fold faster.  Its the only way.  Or upgrade a little.
I was just answering harrys question, jeez.

i understand your answering my question , but i was looking for a more helpful answer or to tell me i could do nothing at all , i got my pc 5 years ago for my 60th  and the only thing i got was extra memory , we pensioners MUST look after the few pounds we have , unlike young people who get things bought to them .
when i got the pc i new nothing i still know very little compered to the experts here but iv'e learnt so much on here and will still learn , harry
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 13, 2009, 01:09:26 PM
Computeruler -- I flat out apologize, because I shouldn't have jumped on you so badly.  You made a statement by which I'm sure you didn't mean anything bad.  I was bugged because 95% of the problems on here could be solved by buying a new computer.

I overreacted, and I apologize.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 13, 2009, 01:13:40 PM
its ok
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 13, 2009, 04:05:28 PM
i'm going to ask another stupid question

i'm at no.25 with 3 wu's and a score of 2037

erik is at no.39 with 3 wu's and a score of 52

why is this , and how doe's it come about
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 13, 2009, 08:08:44 PM
I guess his wus were worth a lot less
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Calum on July 14, 2009, 03:48:08 AM
With a score that low, it's more likely that some of the units weren't completed properly, and partial credit was given.
computeruler is right though, some units are worth a lot more than others, wither because they're more valuable, take longer, or require more resources.  I don't know how small the smallest unit is without checking, but I know they range up to 25000 points for one very large, very rare unit.  There are larger units available for beta testers too I believe,
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 20, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
I'm almost in the top 10, I can't believe it...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 20, 2009, 03:35:18 PM
very good quantos you must have a powerful pc
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 20, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
Yes, I rather wonder what Quantos is running, because your 2.4 Gigahertz system is nothing of which to be ashamed, Harry - the only deal is that it's a single core processor.  These young lads with their dual and quad cores and graphics cards are just tearin' up the work units! 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on July 20, 2009, 03:59:56 PM
very good quantos you must have a powerful pc

I'm just running my laptop, SMP core.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on July 20, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Well I tried to fold again but its not going so well.  The stupid high performance clients wont work and my gpu is a 4650 temporarily 
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 22, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
AEGIS , is there any point in me up grading my pc to dual core and also my graphics card the pc is about 4 years of age going well
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on July 22, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
The "going well" part makes me want to advise, just let it run, Harry.

If you are able to perform, with no problems, the day-to-day tasks for which you use the computer, be it Internet use, word processing, watching videos, balancing your checkbook, listening to music, or "making/burning" discs, or whatever, then you're fine.

The first area in which you'll probably notice the computer's "age" will be, I'm guessing, the Internet, as the 'net continues to become more and more graphics-intensive.  (I've no specific time frame in mind.)

If you were a big "gamer," the intensity of gaming graphics demand more and more processing power from the computer.

The advantage of waiting to buy a new system is that you continue to get more value for your pound, as processing power increases.

Any "folding" contribution is significant and welcome.  If you arrive at a conscious decision on your part, for example, to process more "folding" work units, then you'll need a better system.  As I mentioned in another post, your current system is quite respectable.

The other factor, down the line, is parts failure.  A CD-ROM or DVD drive replacement is fairly inexpensive on a desktop computer, and no cause to replace the entire system.  Same with a hard drive.  A motherboard failure gets you to the point where you might decide on a whole new system...or if enough individual components fail at the same time.

(I once had a laptop's video, hard drive and CD drive all quit around the same time.  The replacement / repair of any two might have been worth it, but all three going -- less expensive to buy a new laptop.)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 22, 2009, 01:21:58 PM
ok thank you i will keep what i have and crawl along but its fast enough for me , i have already replaced the mother board but a lighting strike caused that
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: BC_Programmer on July 22, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
Yes, I agree with Aegis. your PC is better then my desktop, if it makes you feel better about your situation. ::) :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: harry 48 on July 22, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
what you both have said doe's make me feel better about it , only i wish i could do more with it , but i'm

learning a lot here from the experts
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Quantos on August 08, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
I made it to 8, look out guys.

<edit>   I think I mean move it boys and girls, don't be letting an upstart like me into the top 5, do something to block me.  </edit>
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 08, 2009, 10:24:12 AM
My wus keep going back to 0.  I hate it when that happens.  I need more oc so they finish faster!
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 08, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Which clients are you trying to run?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 08, 2009, 05:20:15 PM
the smp.  Mpich or something like that one im pretty sure.  The one that works for 64bit
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 08, 2009, 07:37:43 PM
You have more points than me, so you probably know what you are doing with this stuff already.  I take it the program is connecting and folding, you just aren't finishing the work for points?  Not sure what would be causing that.

If you grabbed the 'high performance beta client' 6.23 for MPICH and installed it, be sure to grab the 6.24 'drop in binary' and toss that file into your install directory, replacing the original.  The guide on the [email protected] site has some steps to run through, if you haven't tried it already.  Rename the client to something simple like fah1.  Create a shortcut to it, open up properties on the shortcut, add -configonly to the target.  Run the shortcut, input all your settings you want.  Once it runs through options and closes, open the shortcut properties again, replace -configonly with -smp and start folding.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 08, 2009, 07:45:24 PM
Ya ive did all that.  It just deletes the work sometimes for some reason
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 09, 2009, 06:00:49 AM
Can you post your [email protected] log file?  At least a portion where it deletes the work and starts up a new WU?
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 13, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
here

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 14, 2009, 05:09:43 AM
I'm posing your FAHlog at the FAH site to see if the forum members have a better idea of what is causing it.  At a glance, one thing caught my eye.

[16:42:51] - Ask before connecting: No
[16:42:51] - User name: computeruler (Team 67290)
[16:42:51] - User ID not found locally
[16:42:51] + Requesting User ID from server

[16:42:52] - Machine ID: 1

Did you not want to fold under your computerruler name anymore, or is it just missing from the config options by mistake?  Anyway, I'll get back to ya when I hear what the [email protected] forums have in the way of advice.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 14, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
[email protected] forum responses.

"FILE IO error and c:\users\xxx leads me to suspect vista with uac (User Account Control) enabeld?  I could suggest reading the guide for the client... but that would be abit short wouldn't it.

Disable UAC is one, moving the client outside of users\ is the other option."

Not much to go off of.  Where did you install the client?  Otherwise you can try disabling uac (I know nothing about this, just googled it for vista here http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm (http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
Ok, I will disable it
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: BC_Programmer on August 14, 2009, 10:31:02 AM
what about creating a shortcut to the client that runs it as an administrator? I imagine that would prevent any problems with UAC.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2009, 10:44:26 AM
UAC is annoying anyways
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: patio on August 14, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
UAC i annoying anyways

This is quotable.... ;)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2009, 11:02:36 AM
sure, if you wanna change it like that...
I believe I said
UAC is annoying anyways
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Aegis on August 14, 2009, 11:12:08 AM
He "caught" you before you edited the typograpical error.   :)
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: Ugarte on August 14, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
the [email protected] folks added this for ya too, computerruler.

"How is he shutting down the client? From the log, it appears that he is not properly shutting the client down since there is no shutdown message, and that could be the cause of the work unit corruption. Make sure he is shutting it down with CTRL+C and not letting Windows shutdown sequence shut it down for him."

I used to just X out the windows before I heard Ctrl + C was the proper way to do it, and I never had any problems.

Not the best time to be troubleshooting folding, though.  Lots of people are having problems acquiring work units.  I myself have got one of my smp clients and my gpu client to run, but the other smp client just keeps saying attempt to get work failed, waiting to retry.  Not sure which clients/OS's are affected, currently.
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on August 14, 2009, 06:43:28 PM
Ok, thanks.  I will shut it down that way from now on
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: gamerx365 on September 17, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
I found a nice little gadget if you take folding seriously and want to get ahead... It's called a PSC-2n. Good luck trying to find a place to buy it though XD I'm curous to see how much it costs...
Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 17, 2009, 05:48:32 PM
Those gpus that get like 1600fps on crysis? Imagine how many ppd that would get
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Post by: BC_Programmer on September 21, 2009, 02:57:35 AM
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Title: Re: [email protected] Computer Hope team
Post by: computeruler on September 21, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
If only I was rich...