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Microsoft => Microsoft Windows => Windows 3.x/9x/ME => Topic started by: sumosean on August 10, 2008, 09:43:04 AM
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I am currently trying to up date my old windows 98 machine, so that it can just run wireless internet in my living room. i am tryin to install windows XP on it but it doesnt have enoiugh ram. i ve tried to upgrade the ram from a 32MB card to 125 and 250MB cards, however the computer will not boot unless it has the original 32MB card installed, and will only get as far as the windows load screen before the screen gets all messed up, with ramdom colours and patterns. also when one of the new cards is installed and i get to CMOS, it says the ram on the system has actually gone down!! ive tried everything, please help!!!
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Please provide more info: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,33586.0.html.
If you just need to connect to a wireless router and your computer has USB ports, something like this may work and you can stay with Win 98 - you may need 98SE.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124126
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computer stats:-
CyrixInstead
6x86MX(tm)
28MB Ram
Windows 98 - 4.10.1998
i have connected the wireless drive, but cannot install it properly becasue the Cd drive doesnt work (another problem)
when the computer is started with the new ram and get to the windows load screen, it screws up the graphics, and will restart in a rew mins.
thanks for your help
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The information available for your system is insufficient for me to be of any help. However, I think that the best option for you would be to re-install Win98 (actually to upgrade to 98SE) and replace the CD drive. Then you can install the drivers for a wireless adapter.
Best of luck!
FYI, requirements for Win XP: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314865.
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what other information do you need? even if i reinstall windows, will that mean i can install the ram?
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i am tryin to install windows XP
I wouldn't even try. It's very old machine.
As for RAM upgrading, we'd need to know what motherboard you have.
Try...
Download, and install Everest: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html)
Open it, click Computer, then Summary.
In upper menu, go Report>Quick Report-Summary
Save it in text file, and paste it in your next post.
Don't include anything under line Debug - PCI
Due to the age of your computer, Everest may not detect the motherboard, but give it a shot.
In any case, since you're running Win 98 First Edition, you'll need to do something about it, as drmsucks said.
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--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------
Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer COMPUTER 1 (K DUFFY)
Generator Duffy Family
Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998 (Win98 Retail)
Date 2008-08-05
Time 03:55
--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows 98
OS Service Pack -
DirectX 4.07.00.0700 (DirectX 7.0)
Computer Name COMPUTER 1 (K DUFFY)
User Name Duffy Family
Motherboard:
CPU Type Cyrix 6x86MX/MII, 233 MHz PR300
Motherboard Name PCChips M571
Motherboard Chipset SiS 5597
System Memory 27 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type AMI (07/15/95)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM4)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)
Display:
Video Adapter SiS 5597/5598 (1 MB)
Monitor MBW-SERIAL [NoDB] (17091)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter C-Media CMI8330 Audio Adapter
Storage:
IDE Controller Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IDE Controller Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IDE Controller SiS 5513 Dual PCI IDE Controller
IDE Controller USB Mass Storage Device
Floppy Drive GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
Disk Drive Audio Player
Disk Drive GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE47
Optical Drive (CD-Rom Drive)
Optical Drive ATAPI CDROM
SMART Hard Disks Status Unknown
Partitions:
C: (FAT32) 2008 MB (133 MB free)
Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
Mouse Logitech Serial Mouse
Mouse PS/2 Compatible Mouse Port
Network:
Network Adapter PPP Adapter.
Modem Conexant HCF 56K Speakerphone PCI Modem
Peripherals:
Printer Acrobat PDFWriter
Printer SHARP JX-9200
USB1 Controller OPTi 82C861 FireLink USB Open Host Controller
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device
Problems & Suggestions:
Problem Disk free space is only 7% on drive C:.
--------[ Overclock ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Properties:
CPU Type Cyrix 6x86MX/MII PR300
CPUID Revision 00000600h
CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 233.80 MHz
CPU Cache:
L1 Cache 64 KB
L2 Cache 0
Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 51-0831-001437-00101111-071595-M571$00766M571_RELEASE 08/31/1998 S
Motherboard Name PCChips M571
Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset SiS 5597
Memory Timings 3-4-4-? (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
BIOS Properties:
System BIOS Date 07/15/95
Video BIOS Date Unknown
--------[ Power Management ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Power Management Properties:
Current Power Source AC Line
Battery Status No Battery
Full Battery Lifetime Unknown
Remaining Battery Lifetime Unknown
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Bookmark this page: http://www.m571.com/m571/
There is all info about your motherboard.
It looks like it supports up to 384MB of RAM, but you need to make sure, you install correct type. Read the manual at the above page.
With 384MB installed, you can nicely upgrade to Windows 2000, very good OS.
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Great resource in that link, Broni!
@sumosean: Please note in the Everest report that your processor speed is 233 Mhz; also note from the MS link that I provided that the MINIMUM recommended cpu speed is 233 Mhz and that 300 Mhz is recommended; further, XP min for hard drive space is 1500 MB and your hard drive is 2000 MB. If you go with XP, I'm afraid that you will have a very poor experience.
Win2000 is a much better fit, as Broni said: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304297.
Best of luck.
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Thank you :)
I may be little bit nasty, but at any time someone quotes M$ requirements, I go mad.
IT'S A LIE! THEY LIE!
I have Win 2K computer with 450MHz processor, and 384MB of RAM, and it JUST runs fine. I can't even imagine putting XP on it. It won't work.
I apologize for my outburst :)
BTW, 233MHz reminds me, when I bought brand new 98 computer with 233MHz processor, and the top speed on the market at that time was 300MHz, so I felt good.
That darn thing cost me around $2,500....they probably added 20% to the price, because it was all black, and back then they were not black computer on the market.
...but I wanted black one...LOL
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I may be little bit nasty, but at any time someone quotes M$ requirements, I go mad.
IT'S A LIE! THEY LIE!
LOL...I thought that you would like that :)
You were absolutely right to buy a black computer - they were cool! And, everything else equal, you just knew they were faster!
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But it was Toshiba....the worst tech support, or rather lack of it, I've ever seen...
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With 98 you didn't need tech support - you just needed to re-install every Saturday!
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LOL...
Actually, I liked 98. I kept that computer for a long time.
I reinstalled, mmmmm, maybe three times....
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LOL...
Actually, I liked 98. I kept that computer for a long time.
I reinstalled, mmmmm, maybe three times....
I loved it and was a late XP user - right before SP2 came out, I think.
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Same here, but I had another one with Win 2K. In fact, I still have it in running condition.
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I saw that you still have 2k running - I skipped that too!
Let's see: DOS (I can't remember version when I started, but it was early - had Word 1.0 and two 5-1/4 floppy drives!) - once I got the hang of things, I dumped MS DOS and went with DR DOS, much better; win 3.0; win3.1 (I hated both Windows and stayed with DOS for a long time - had a "task switcher" that would allow me to "multitask" in DOS); Win 95; Win98, then SE; XP; Vista.
I think that 98SE was my favorite of all time.
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I think that 98SE was my favorite of all time.
Same here, but I have to say, Vista is not bad.
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I agree but I use XP 90% of the time. As soon as I went to 2 GB of RAM, my intense dislike of Vista vanished! XP is still faster on anything that I do, though.
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Win 2K Rules....