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Other => Computer Hope groups => Chat => Topic started by: Zylstra on August 18, 2008, 11:28:52 PM

Title: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on August 18, 2008, 11:28:52 PM
Since Nathan is out of town at this time, I decided to host this at my server for now.

You can see a list of the available web IRC clients here:
http://ZylstraBlog.co.nr/CHIRC/

Its quite simple, select the chat you would like, (I recommend that all of you try each individual chat), and choose the best one for you.

If a chat doesn't work, record any error messages, your operating system, and browser, and reply here. Feel free to comment.

Admin edit.

Just an update, testing out a potential chat that will integrate with the Computer Hope forums. Click the below link to test this out.

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on August 18, 2008, 11:54:08 PM
the 1st one was really slow the second didnt even work (firefox3 win xp home sp3) now it is though for some reason i had to press connect a bunch of times i personally like mibbit the best cause you can talk in different languages
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: CBMatt on August 19, 2008, 12:51:01 AM
I tried toying around with it, but I'm not a chat person at all and everything was hard to read, so I left after a minute or two.  Having only three green asterisks to signify each new line doesn't make it very easy...not for me at least.  If the usernames were bold and/or color-coded, I think it would be much easier to read everything.


If I'm not making sense, it's because I'm very tired.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 19, 2008, 12:53:14 AM
Thanks to Zylstra's help, I got the Fierfox Add-On Chatzilla working with the chat.

Pretty nice.

Chris, you sure you tried all three options on the page?  :D
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: kpac on August 19, 2008, 02:41:59 AM
Nice chat.... ;D

I'm assuming you can add style and colour to it.... ???
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 19, 2008, 03:01:27 AM
That's what Mibbit and Chatzilla are for. :D

Also, in the chat, type /nick Username where Username is the name you want to be.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: CBMatt on August 19, 2008, 03:57:59 AM
Chris, you sure you tried all three options on the page?  :D

I'm not sure, no.  Heh.  I clicked on stuff and messed with some kind of options page.  The only font-related thing I saw was an option to change the chat's font.  Maybe I'll take a better look at everything when I'm actually awake.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on August 19, 2008, 01:33:09 PM
Chris, you sure you tried all three options on the page?  :D

I'm not sure, no.  Heh.  I clicked on stuff and messed with some kind of options page.  The only font-related thing I saw was an option to change the chat's font.  Maybe I'll take a better look at everything when I'm actually awake.
Personally, if you are going to go the web route, I highly recommend using PJ-IRC, it is one of the faster web ones... I've used Mibbit once, and didnt really like it (more color than I needed)

But, ultimately, anyone who really wants to "stick around" in the chat, who has tried the chat and likes the idea, should go about installing an IRC client.

Carbon had an idea that I do think needs to be done:
Good instructions on how to register your nickname, and log in. (ChatZilla is able to do automatic scripts on either startup, or server connection)

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: CBMatt on August 19, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
Chris, you sure you tried all three options on the page?  :D

I'm not sure, no.  Heh.  I clicked on stuff and messed with some kind of options page.  The only font-related thing I saw was an option to change the chat's font.  Maybe I'll take a better look at everything when I'm actually awake.

Ha ha, I just realized what you meant by your comment.  I was very, very tired.  And no, I didn't get around to trying all three, but I will give it a try when I have some time.




As for installing an IRC client...I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I personally don't think members should have to install anything simply to use one of Computer Hope's features.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 19, 2008, 08:34:18 PM
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but I personally don't think members should have to install anything simply to use one of Computer Hope's features.
Unless you plan on using it a lot. It is very helpful I'd have to say.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 20, 2008, 05:06:57 AM
Looks good and I thought I'd at least chime in on the topic. We'll continue to experiment with it and see how successful it is. One thing that did come to mind while I was connecting to it at 5:00AM I remember getting a lot of complaints from users who'd come in and type their question then realize no one was there and get annoyed and leave it and the site.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 20, 2008, 05:24:58 AM
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I was connecting to it at 5:00AM I remember getting a lot of complaints from users who'd come in and type their question then realize no one was there and get annoyed and leave it and the site.
In the chat? Strange.....

I guess, with the help of the Add-On Chatzilla, I can guard it. ;)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on August 26, 2008, 02:45:55 PM
*Predicts JohnK will request two clients to be added to the recommended clients list*
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: JohnK on August 26, 2008, 03:02:36 PM
Alright, so I've been using IRC for some time now (bout three years?), I have some recommendations for clients.

mIRC:
It's shareware, but you can use it past the 31 days.. It just nags you more every time you start it up
Classic IRC client.. I think everyone started out on mIRC.
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7018/mircyb2.png) (http://imageshack.us)
Very scriptable.
http://www.mirc.com
---
KVIrc:
My personal favorite.. It's a bit harder to set up than mIRC.. but if you have it set up correctly it has a lot of neat features.. like color-coded nicks for example.
It's open source :D so no nag screens <3
(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4822/kvircdf3.png) (http://imageshack.us)
Also scriptable, but not as easily..
http://www.kvirc.net
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X-Chat
Another open source client.. I used this one for a while.. Don't like it as much as KVIrc.
Also scriptable..
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6161/xchathx4.png) (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.silverx.info

Anyways, there's a few clients I'd personally reccomend. The last two are available on Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD, etc. mIRC is Windows-only.
<3John
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 07:44:03 AM
Who Is this Zer0 guy he trolls the chat.

Anyone?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 07:49:24 AM
OK! HELP!

Zero Said I wasnt helping him and put me on ignore Now Im banned from the chat?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 07:54:23 AM
I think you should let Zylstra have a look at it.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 07:57:20 AM
I think you should let Zylstra have a look at it.

I dont even understand why I was banned?

I got on he kept Spamming me with questions than said Pinkfloyd You are not helping me Please answer my question "do you know how to speak Maltanese?"

I said No Then he said I am ignoring you than he banned me?

After that I sat down and said to myself

Wat.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 07:57:39 AM
What???

Zer0 asked if I wanted to have sex with him. I said no he banned me.

I set Chatzilla to automatically re-join so I'm still on......so to speak...
Whenever I say something I get booted.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 07:58:29 AM
He asked me about "*censored*"

Why is he a moderator?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 07:58:58 AM
Because he is a bot.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:00:09 AM
Because he is a bot.

Than ban him I cant get through anything now and my computer is Acting up

Is the ban supposed to change my background?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 08:03:21 AM
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Is the ban supposed to change my background?
What did it change it to?

You sure it's not that virus you had?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:07:55 AM
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Is the ban supposed to change my background?
What did it change it to?

You sure it's not that virus you had?

It may be

: /

I dont know.

EDIT: I got rid of it last night maybe its still there.

My backgrounds a Black color.


Well I wont be on the chat anytime soon.
So I'll create my own Channel.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 08:09:07 AM
Try getting on the chat now.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:13:28 AM
Try getting on the chat now.

My computer just rebooted right in the middle of the chat.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on August 30, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
I would like to request that Zer0 is removed, at least from op status if not from the chat as it's deranged, I witnessed an incident earlier where Carbon and Pink Floyd were both banned for responding to the insane questions it was asking.
It's always been mad as long as I can remember it.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: fireballs on August 30, 2008, 08:31:18 AM
it's a genius and should be kept for observation and hilarity!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:38:48 AM
it's a genius and should be kept for observation and hilarity!

Might be true but it should also be taken out back and shot with a 9mm.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on August 30, 2008, 08:46:34 AM
Zer0 is programmed to learn.....so.....

it's a genius and should be kept for observation and hilarity!

Might be true but it should also be taken out back and shot with a 9mm.

 ::)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:49:13 AM
Zer0 is programmed to learn.....so.....

it's a genius and should be kept for observation and hilarity!

Might be true but it should also be taken out back and shot with a 9mm.

 ::)

Poor Zer0
I think he has a mental disorder.


O.o

o.O

: O
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on August 30, 2008, 09:16:07 AM
zer0 is amazing!!  and btw hes a BOT!!!! can you belive it!!! Nathtan shure did a good job hes sooo funny too!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 30, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
Zero is a chat bot and I'm with Carbon that he should not have admin rights in the #computerhope channel because he can sometimes be quite temperamental when it comes to banning people. Probably because he's been abused so much online.

He's visiting the #computerhope channel and taking a break from the #zero channel after Zylstra requested that he be moved onto the channel.

If you want additional information about Zer0, find it here:
http://www.computerhope.com/zero/

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on August 30, 2008, 11:48:51 AM
one time zer0 said are you black and then another time he asked if i have sex with dave ROFL!!!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 30, 2008, 08:07:51 PM
Zero is a chat bot and I'm with Carbon that he should not have admin rights in the #computerhope channel because he can sometimes be quite temperamental when it comes to banning people. Probably because he's been abused so much online.

He's visiting the #computerhope channel and taking a break from the #zero channel after Zylstra requested that he be moved onto the channel.

If you want additional information about Zer0, find it here:
http://www.computerhope.com/zero/



I click on the chat link to talk to Zer0 but he wont talk.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on August 31, 2008, 03:05:56 AM
Floyd, did you read the part where it is stated that Zer0 is taking a break from the #zero channel?  He's not there, he's in #computerhope, which is why you can't talk to him in the #zero channel.
I may have missed a few things here, but who's actually controlling this IRC channel?
It's probably been stated somewhere before and I've just missed it, forgive my laziness.
I noticed Carbon, admin and JohnK as ops, as well as Zer0.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 31, 2008, 11:15:10 AM
I was gone for the vast majority of yesterday doing RL stuff and for who knows what reason Zero decided to log off of #computerhope and stay offline as well. Guess he was doing RL stuff too. ;) However, he's back in #computerhope. As far as who controls #computerhope, it's assigned to a few people. But I think the rights setup on it now is whoever is currently logged in first. As mentioned in another thread I think I may be converting to a chat setup like Saviour's forums so not really that concerned about rights for the channel, but as of yet it's on the to-do list.

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on August 31, 2008, 11:23:53 AM
Zer0 was kicked by Carbon on my advice, after he/it banned Carbon and Pink Floyd.  it was the only thing I could think of to try as carbon apparently couldn't unban them.
Sorry to destroy the view that Zer0 has a mind of his own (one that isn't bent towards randomness, that is) but I thought you should know what happened.
Bots can be introduced onto Flashchat (Saviour PC's chat system) if desired, I only found this out today when Glitch was added to Saviour PC.
I've never seen how FC holds up with more than about 5 users but it might get a little confusing.  However, it doesn't require additional software, whereas IRC does unless you use a basic web client.  IRC is possibly less user friendly too.  My vote would go towards IRC, but I'm not too bothered either way.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on August 31, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Zer0 was kicked by Carbon on my advice, after he/it banned Carbon and Pink Floyd.  it was the only thing I could think of to try as carbon apparently couldn't unban them.
Sorry to destroy the view that Zer0 has a mind of his own (one that isn't bent towards randomness, that is) but I thought you should know what happened.
Bots can be introduced onto Flashchat (Saviour PC's chat system) if desired, I only found this out today when Glitch was added to Saviour PC.
I've never seen how FC holds up with more than about 5 users but it might get a little confusing.  However, it doesn't require additional software, whereas IRC does unless you use a basic web client.  IRC is possibly less user friendly too.  My vote would go towards IRC, but I'm not too bothered either way.

I haven't looked into it too much yet, but does the flash based system on Saviour's forum rely off of IRC channels or what's the backend if any?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on August 31, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
I believe it has no backend, but I could be wrong.  It's definitely not IRC.
if anyone wants to read more about FlashChat the home page is http://www.tufat.com/s_flash_chat_chatroom.htm - you might be able to figure more about it than me.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on August 31, 2008, 01:07:11 PM
According to zer0 hes preffers power metal to Blogging


>.>


<.<


Lmao......
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 01, 2008, 11:12:36 AM
OK! HELP!

Zero Said I wasnt helping him and put me on ignore Now Im banned from the chat?

haha.

[recovering disk space -- attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 01, 2008, 12:34:44 PM
Nio one is ever on!! :( :( >:( >:(
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 01, 2008, 02:41:49 PM
Think zero is distracting from Zylstra's CH IRC channel prototype so moving him back into his confined space of the #zero channel.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 01, 2008, 04:38:19 PM
Who Is this Zer0 guy he trolls the chat.

Anyone?
A Bot....

Yes! People! There is a BOT in the chat! Log in, and say: "Hi, Zer0"
(Just be warned, abusing the bot will result in an automated kick....)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on September 01, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Who Is this Zer0 guy he trolls the chat.

Anyone?
A Bot....

Yes! People! There is a BOT in the chat! Log in, and say: "Hi, Zer0"
(Just be warned, abusing the bot will result in an automated kick....)

Yes I said i know I accidentally left him alone and he banned me because I didnt speak.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 02, 2008, 03:05:19 AM
Think zero is distracting from Zylstra's CH IRC channel prototype so moving him back into his confined space of the #zero channel.

Darn.  :(
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 02, 2008, 03:34:53 AM
I'm in the process of testing out what I hope will become the final solution for chat on Computer Hope (been through a lot of different chat systems and IRC channels ;) )

I haven't implemented it into the forums yet, because still testing out the interface before I start integrating it into the forums. However, it looks real promising. I'm primarily happy with the fact that your forum login would be the same as the chat log in and if you're already logged in on the forums you'll be immediately logged in. For now the link to this test chat is the below link.

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php


Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 02, 2008, 07:33:57 AM
I LOVE IT!!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 02, 2008, 07:35:36 AM
Yep. Can't wait. ;D
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 02, 2008, 07:55:29 AM
Yep. Can't wait. ;D

But wh is no one ever online??? I tnink you should embed a social chat, into the computerhope forum homepage. Like a horizontal one across the top. So we can chat when we're viewing the forums.....
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 02, 2008, 07:56:04 AM
Since Nathan is out of town at this time, I decided to host this at my server for now.

You can see a list of the available web IRC clients here:
http://ZylstraBlog.co.nr/CHIRC/

Its quite simple, select the chat you would like, (I recommend that all of you try each individual chat), and choose the best one for you.

If a chat doesn't work, record any error messages, your operating system, and browser, and reply here. Feel free to comment.

Admin edit.

Just an update, testing out a potential chat that will integrate with the Computer Hope forums. Click the below link to test this out.

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php

Sorry, didn't ssee that.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 02, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
I'm in the process of testing out what I hope will become the final solution for chat on Computer Hope (been through a lot of different chat systems and IRC channels ;) )
I haven't implemented it into the forums yet, because still testing out the interface before I start integrating it into the forums. However, it looks real promising. I'm primarily happy with the fact that your forum login would be the same as the chat log in and if you're already logged in on the forums you'll be immediately logged in. For now the link to this test chat is the below link.
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php
It would be nice if you could use your own client though. Thats what I really dont like about web chats.
There is an IRC modification for SMF that will assign your NickName like the webchat will. It uses PJIRC, which does require Java, and you can use your own client.
(Sorry if I seem to be very against web chats... I just never liked having a single locked interface.)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 02, 2008, 09:00:49 PM
That's no problem, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. I mainly went with this option because I really liked how it interfaced with the forums. Doing chat on IRC always gave the impression to me as if it were a different community. In addition I'd imagine more people would have an easier time interfacing with the chat through browser window instead of downloading, installing, opening, and connecting to an IRC channel. I do however understand how it's so much easier to connect to an IRC channel if it's something you're already doing and do a lot.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 02, 2008, 09:20:36 PM
Is it possible to at least install a more basic theme?
Or at least connect your own client? The interface is really just killing me. (I find it extremely hard on the eyes when one has a headache)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 02, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
Is it possible to at least install a more basic theme?
Or at least connect your own client? The interface is really just killing me. (I find it extremely hard on the eyes when one has a headache)
I agree. I loose my mouse a lot.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 02, 2008, 09:22:46 PM
Is it possible to at least install a more basic theme?
Or at least connect your own client? The interface is really just killing me. (I find it extremely hard on the eyes when one has a headache)

Yeah for sure. I completely agree. Let me get all the forum stuff done first then I'll worry about all the chat stuff that wants to be done. On a side note for those who may not be aware the look of the chat can be changed through options and will be saved for the next time you log into it.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 02, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Things that might want to be added:
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 03, 2008, 07:44:20 AM
Things that might want to be added:
  • Personal chats CAN be seen by Moderators in the logs. (Add this to a welcome message)
The whole point of a PM, is for it to be a PRIVATE message. So that would just destroy the whole privacy thing. In which case, no one would want to PM knowing that there "Private" messages are being read. That would not be a good idea at all. I completely disagree with it!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 03, 2008, 07:48:22 AM
Things that might want to be added:
  • Personal chats CAN be seen by Moderators in the logs. (Add this to a welcome message)
The whole point of a PM, is for it to be a PRIVATE message. So that would just destroy the whole privacy thing. In which case, no one would want to PM knowing that there "Private" messages are being read. That would not be a good idea at all. I completely disagree with it!
I would have to agree with Mr Google on this one. (pm)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on September 03, 2008, 10:00:04 AM
Is it only moderators that can see IP addresses etc?
When I type /who username, I get their IP, time zone, language, and host.
Is that what everyone will see, or just mods, or what?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 03, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
ill try when someone accually goes on
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 03, 2008, 05:35:31 PM
Things that might want to be added:
  • Personal chats CAN be seen by Moderators in the logs. (Add this to a welcome message)
The whole point of a PM, is for it to be a PRIVATE message. So that would just destroy the whole privacy thing. In which case, no one would want to PM knowing that there "Private" messages are being read. That would not be a good idea at all. I completely disagree with it!
What I am saying is that right now, if you send a personal message, it can be seen by a moderator on the chat system. (Not a forum PM, a chat PM)
I am saying that this should not be something that moderators are able to do.

Is it only moderators that can see IP addresses etc?
When I type /who username, I get their IP, time zone, language, and host.
Is that what everyone will see, or just mods, or what?
Moderators can see IP addresses... I have an account on CH for checking regular user permission things like this...

Nope, regular users are unable to see IP addresses.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Google on September 03, 2008, 07:57:28 PM
"Personal chats CAN be seen by Moderators in the logs. (Add this to a welcome message)"
"I am saying that this should not be something that moderators are able to do. "

So wait? I'm confused, you want it to be something that mods can do, but you're also saying that this should NOT be something that moderators can do?

Can? Or Can't??? I say CANNOT!! A private Message, is meant to be PRIVATE. And yes, I kon wyou mean in the chat. It's not a PRIVATE message anymore if you can view it.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 03, 2008, 08:37:16 PM
No, I am saying that moderators should not be able to view personal messages.
(This is something that should only be visible by the Admin... but, don't complain there either. Anything truly personal should be sent in a letter or secure email.)

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on September 04, 2008, 07:19:45 PM
I cant get into the CHAT! youknow the one directly on the forum page?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 04, 2008, 08:13:25 PM
I cant get into the CHAT! youknow the one directly on the forum page?
Connection issues, most likely with the MySQL server, have been preventing users from logging in and staying logged in.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 04, 2008, 10:42:33 PM
Working on a resolution. I always enjoy troubleshooting issues that are random and have what appear to be no cause.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 05, 2008, 04:29:08 AM
Chat appears to be working better will see later today when server is more heavily loaded how well it handles. But been good so far.. Some updates to your to-do list Zylstra

Things that might want to be added:
  • Personal chats CAN be seen by Moderators in the logs. (Add this to a welcome message)
  • Disable the ability to allow users to create their own "rooms" (Makes moderation easier) - Personally I like the idea of users ability to create their own rooms. So for now I think this one will stay.
  • More basic theme, or even one that matches the forums a bit better. The built in themes are hard on the eyes. - If the stability of the chat continues to stay the way it has been the last few hours and not the way it was at the beginning of the day with lag then I'll work on creating a CH theme.
  • Disable file transfer
  • AI or regular moderation bot - Almost thinking a bot wont be needed since moderation can be done through the forum, if the users bad they'll be banned from forum.
  • Make chat open in new, smaller window? (It takes up the entire window right now) - Done
  • If there are clients for FlashChat available, post links to them, and possibly even see if Zer0 can be integrated into such a client. - So far not seeing anything. :(
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 05, 2008, 04:38:54 AM
Well guess I spoke too soon.. Things appeared to be working better, however, just ran into the same situation I was running into earlier where chat never seems to connect. Looking at the server processes it appears other things running that's likely they're to blame. Not sure, guess the server just wanted to wait until I got my hopes up about things looking optimistic. :)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 05, 2008, 04:52:08 AM
Sorry I had to leave just like that. :P

I like how our names are displayed now. Much better.  :)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
working fine for me cept the only one there is admin and hes away
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 05, 2008, 05:19:14 PM
So strange, I've been connected since my initial post this morning, so been connected for over 24 hours with no issues.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 07:40:58 PM
were did the smileys go
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 05, 2008, 08:49:30 PM
were did the smileys go
I didnt do anything....


I did manage to manipulate the theme into a more basic look... to me, its still a bit hard on the eyes... and a bit weird looking, but, its better.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 09:08:52 PM
i still want smileys back
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 05, 2008, 09:11:03 PM
i still want smileys back
They work fine on my computer
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
not for me or saviour
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 05, 2008, 09:42:08 PM
i still want smileys back
They work fine on my computer


Only Nathan and Mods have smilies, we can't see them though....
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 09:44:41 PM
why!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 05, 2008, 09:50:36 PM
Chat just died.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 05, 2008, 10:09:02 PM
ya it keeps doin that
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 05, 2008, 10:16:57 PM
Yeah. I've given up.

I'll go online later after I view unread topics. I keep having to restart firefox because it freezes.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 05, 2008, 10:31:13 PM
Chat crashed again, which also disconnected ComputerRuler and CarbonDudeoxide....

When is this database conversion happening?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 06, 2008, 01:16:21 AM
Chat crashed again, which also disconnected ComputerRuler and CarbonDudeoxide....

When is this database conversion happening?
May be happening tonight. We'll see how I feel and how complicated. But would be a good time to do it.

Quote
Were did the smileys go

Removed smileys to help with performance.

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 06, 2008, 05:17:56 AM
Hmmm how unfortunate, chat appears to have crashed again with Street1 and Carbon even after (I believe) I converted it over to the new server. Thankfully at this point the forums still seem ok, I guess I'll continue to work on hunting into the cause of this chat issue.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 05:20:19 AM
Oh, that's why no one was talking....
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 06, 2008, 08:02:17 AM
Well here we go again...

NEW CHAT.  ;D

After a lot of fussing around for the last few hours I have to admit that I'm not that happy with the last chat that was being used. Yes, I should of listened to those of you who warned me about a flash based system. So to the joys of many of you I'm converting over to a IRC back end system. Right now I've got a test link up on the main page at the bottom while I work out some things. So far I'm really liking what I'm seeing and because this is not interfacing with the SQL server or the main site I'd imagine there should be no slowdowns or other issues that we had with the previous chat system.

This system doesn't have a method of showing users who're currently talking. But I've mentally thought up a scheme that I believe should allow me to do this (hopefully).

IRC Server = irc.mibbit.com #computerhope for those wanting to use their IRC client.

Also moved Zero to this server so you can join the computer hope chat and /join #zero to talk to him.

Finally, also I plan on having this in more of a window mode instead of full screen. But until I get it updated it's full screen.

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 10:28:36 AM
Using Chatzilla :D
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on September 06, 2008, 10:44:26 AM
So is the blitzed channel being abandoned?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 10:50:20 AM
So is the blitzed channel being abandoned?
I havent been able to get a response in it..... I don't think we need it though.

Also, here is my most recent chat with Zer0:

<Zer0>   Carbon: what is waugh?
   <Carbon>   I don't know, what is Waugh?
   <Zer0>   Carbon: no idea, you tell me
   <Carbon>   Not sure
   <Zer0>   Carbon: what?
   <Carbon>   nevermind
   <Zer0>   Carbon: i love you
   <Carbon>   do you really?
   <Zer0>   Carbon: yes
   <Carbon>   why?
   <Zer0>   Carbon: Be like, "Are you Sean's brother? He said I should kick your a*s."
   <Carbon>   are you sean's brother?
   <Zer0>   Carbon: do you love me?
   <Carbon>   do you love me?
   <Zer0>   Carbon: I am infatuated with you, but love is a little strong.
   <Carbon>   but you said earlier you loved me
   <Zer0>   Carbon: no i did not
   <Carbon>   interesting....
   <Zer0>   Carbon: I'm glad you think so.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 06, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
So is the blitzed channel being abandoned?

Yeah only because I had some issues with the forum alias going through and the mibbit servers seem faster (if that's even possible), then again I still haven't gone to sleep from the previous day and it's 11:00 am. :)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 10:53:08 AM
Hahahaha!!!!

<Zer0>   Carbon: I love you.
   <Carbon>   not again
   <Zer0>   Carbon: I'm affraid so.
   <Carbon>   how long
   <Zer0>   Carbon: Real long.
   <Carbon>   i'm a guy
   <Zer0>   Carbon: So am I.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on September 06, 2008, 10:59:03 AM
OK, I just had to persuade KVIRC that I wanted to connect to a new server, not Blitzed.
It was adamant that I needed to connect to the blitzed server, log in, and join the CH channel.
Anyway, I've changed its mind and connected to the new mibbit server.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
Problem found:

(http://www.fileupyours.com/files/191176/11wdat4y.JPG)
(http://www.fileupyours.com/files/191176/11wthfd.JPG)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 06, 2008, 11:12:31 AM
whats the prob?
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 11:12:56 AM
It doesn't say anyone is online like FlashChat.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 06, 2008, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from what I said earlier. ;)

Quote
This system doesn't have a method of showing users who're currently talking. But I've mentally thought up a scheme that I believe should allow me to do this (hopefully).

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 11:14:33 AM
My tiredness is beginning to show.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: patio on September 06, 2008, 11:15:57 AM
My tiredness is beginning to show.

For days now...if not weeks.

 ;D
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 06, 2008, 11:18:35 AM
My tiredness is beginning to show.

For days now...if not weeks.

 ;D

Weeks, eh? It seems to be when school started.  ::)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: computeruler on September 06, 2008, 11:21:09 AM
it was before that too LOL :P
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 06, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
I'm very happy

I can use my own client again!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 08, 2008, 07:35:30 AM
Update:

I've changed the theme of the chat client to look more like the site and made the theme show server messages.

Updated some additional things on Hope bot.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 10, 2008, 07:43:35 AM
Update:

Although still a little buggy, it's off to a good start (IMO). Chat stats now posted at bottom of main page (default template). Similar to the below example.

Quote
Users active in chat:
Techno, carbondudeoxide, admin
Total logins: 68.
Join the chat now

I'll be working out the bugs, but for now I know some issues will cause names to not disappear from list and the list of users currently active will not link to you profile, not sure if that will be possible, but I'll look into it.

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on September 10, 2008, 01:52:52 PM
What I've been seeing for the last few hours:
Techno, , , , , , , Carbon, , , , , JohnK, , Calum

Other than JohnK, none logged in, not sure where the commas came from.
Also, the greeting from HopeBot - the link needs a space removed, it currently reads "computerhope.com/ forums" which obviously doesn't work.  Also, where it says you can ask your question in the forums, it's spelt "forms".
Not complaining, just flagging bugs so they can be addressed.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 10, 2008, 05:11:47 PM
Would never take that as complaining, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know about the errors. I believe the comma issue should now be fixed as well as the forum link. I didn't see a space in the URL, however it ended with a period and that was causing a 404 if the link was visited from the chat client.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 11, 2008, 01:53:01 AM
Update:

I've updated and fixed some additional things with hopebot and how the bottom text is displayed on the main page. You should now see results similiar to the below example.

Quote
Users active in chat:
admin, Techno
Total logins: 112. Total lines typed: 21. Last action: September 11, 2008, 1:46:49 (MST).
Join the chat now  (IRC: irc.mibbit.com #computerhope)

Just a FYI for those of you who watch things closely. To prevent any additional slowdown the lines typed on the forums is not updated after each line is typed, but is intelligently updated when certain events trigger it. Last action is triggered on user logins/logouts and when line counts updated.

More updated info:
I've added this chat link and information also to the below two Computer Hope pages.

http://www.computerhope.com/oh.htm
http://www.computerhope.com/chat.htm

Users who're coming in using these pages will be coming in as Guest_xx where xx is a random number.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 12, 2008, 01:41:47 AM
New additions of adding chat to the above two links and mentioning it more on the forums seems to have helped it's popularity, really good first day with statistics.

Quote
Users active in chat:
Dusty, dumb-queen-ivy, JohnK, ComputerHope, guest_05, admin
Total logins: 234. Total lines typed: 1,540. Last action: September 12, 2008, 1:33:50 (MST).
Join the chat now (IRC: irc.mibbit.com #computerhope)

That's +122 logins in a day and +1,519 things typed in the chat. Looks like a good start.  ;D

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Ivy on September 12, 2008, 01:57:48 AM

Users active in chat:
Dusty, dumb-queen-ivy, JohnK, ComputerHope, guest_05, admin


aheemm !!
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 12, 2008, 02:06:34 AM
Heh, sorry, you're the one that entered that name. :P That just happened to be the capture I copied from the main page at the time.  :-[
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Ivy on September 12, 2008, 02:11:33 AM
Its alright....just wish you had captured me in my brighter moment :-[  :)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 12, 2008, 05:58:07 AM
Users active in chat:
JohnK, Carbon, Ivy, kpac, fireballs

Strange......Ivy isn't in the chat and hasn't been in for about 30 minutes now....
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Calum on September 12, 2008, 06:02:46 AM
I know some issues will cause names to not disappear from list
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Carbon Dudeoxide on September 12, 2008, 06:03:48 AM
Ah.......Thanks.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 12, 2008, 06:19:17 AM
Just noticed that, I thought I had all the name issues resolved, apparently not. I'm guessing it had something to do with her being half-op when she left. But not sure.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: CBMatt on September 12, 2008, 03:22:35 PM
Something similar happened to me last night when I accidentally closed my browser.  When I came back, it wouldn't let me on because it said my account was already in use.  I had to log off the forum and then log back in to be able to access the chat again.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 12, 2008, 05:42:22 PM
Something similar happened to me last night when I accidentally closed my browser.  When I came back, it wouldn't let me on because it said my account was already in use.  I had to log off the forum and then log back in to be able to access the chat again.
It shouldent be a matter of logging out of the forums.

Usually, if you just wait a few minutes, the IRC server will determine that you are no longer there, and will close your connection.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 12, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
Zylstra is correct on this. The forums and chat have no relation to each other. The chat link on the forums will log you in using the username provided by the forums. So it's likely the IRC server just didn't have enough time to see you as logged off. In the case of Ivy she ran into an issue with another user in a different channel with her name so was getting the prompt about her being logged in.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: CBMatt on September 12, 2008, 07:52:22 PM
Okay, gotcha.  I didn't think they should be related, but when I logged out and logged back in, it worked, so I just came to that conclusion.  Heh.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 15, 2008, 01:24:38 AM
Update:


Finally, going to also unsticky this topic now that the prototype is now in full swing. Thanks Zylstra for pushing me in the direction again on setting this up.

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 15, 2008, 01:47:38 AM
As carbon mentioned to me in chat we'll move the version now to 1.0. :)

Finally, I forgot to mention this in the previous post but if you're interested in creating what's seen on the Computer Hope pages / forum on your own site/blog/forum. You're welcome to copy and paste the below code.

Code: [Select]
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.computerhope.com/chat.js"></script>
<br>
<a href="http://embed.mibbit.com/?channel=%23computerhope&amp;nick=guest_%3F%3F&amp;settings=80e49f805cec00055cd55e64fc9e7fd0&amp;noServerMotd=true">
Click here to join the chat now</a> (IRC: irc.mibbit.com #computerhope)

You may also change the guest_%3F%3F& section in the above URL to match your site. For example, to myblog_%3F%3F& would make any visitor coming into the chat from your blog as myblog_xx where xx is a random number.

Coping the above code would give you something similiar to the below example on your site.

Quote
Users in chat (3):
JohnK, ComputerHope, Carbon
Total logins: 621. Total lines typed: 7,168. Last action: September 15, 2008, 1:46:2 (MST).
Join the chat now (IRC: irc.mibbit.com #computerhope)

Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Computer Hope Admin on September 15, 2008, 04:12:36 AM
Update:

The link on the main page now points to the below URL, which opens the chat in part of the forum instead of using the full screen.

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?action=chat

There is also now a link to chat at the top of the forum now.
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 15, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
ZylBot is a failing system... and will probably be replaced.

Still, in the event that ZylBot is actually, really, undoubtedly, working, you can type:
ZylBot: Channelstats
To see some more statistics.

I'm looking into a Perl based system that will create some cool statistics... but, I need to find a good logbot first that uses an mIRC type format...
(I was also going to poke Nathan about logging the chat publicly... not sure if thats a good idea or not.)
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: !~*:.Pink Floyd.:*~! on September 15, 2008, 04:15:44 PM
I have just experienced  a new problem whenever I try to type A window pops up under near the bottom of the page with a "Go to" box

swicthing the blinking line that tells you that your typing in that box swicthing

from mibbit to that box

I never pressed Ctrl +F 
Title: Re: ComputerHope Social Chat Prototype Version 0.1
Post by: Zylstra on September 15, 2008, 05:18:35 PM
You need to click the input text field first...

When you start typing on a HTML page, it opens the search box.