Computer Hope
Other => Other => Topic started by: squall_01 on September 15, 2008, 10:36:13 AM
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Is there any way to put the Linux OS on to a floppy an load it? Preferably knoppix, doesn't have to be just like easy to understand an use. I want to put it on a gateway 2000, 486 pent
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Does the computer have a CD Drive? Can the CD drive boot?
Do you need JUST Linux, or a desktop too? You will never fit a good Desktop distribution on a floppy... but the base Kernel and Command Line Interface will run off a floppy.
You can get a disk/disc bootup utility that works like a bootloader on a floppy so you can boot off a CD, even if your BIOS dont support CD ROM Booting.
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Yes,no
Linux,I want a bootable installment floppy.
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Yes,no
Linux,I want a bootable installment floppy.
Your going to have to type out your full response... I dont understand what you mean.
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Does the computer have a CD Drive? Can the CD drive boot? Yes,No
Do you need JUST Linux, or a desktop too? You will never fit a good Desktop distribution on a floppy... but the base Kernel and Command Line Interface will run off a floppy. Linux, I want an installment floppy
You can get a disk/disc bootup utility that works like a bootloader on a floppy so you can boot off a CD, even if your BIOS dont support CD ROM Booting.
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So instead of posting a response to Zylstra's question you've quoted him instead ? ?
You totally puzzle me at times i must admit...
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"Coyote Linux "
Suggested by Dead_Reckon...
Che-che-che-check it out:
http://www.coyotelinux.com/
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He wanted to know what my answers where so I just put it in his quote. Patio its not the people who think in the box that affect the world. Its the people outside of it to begin with. ;)
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"Coyote Linux "
Suggested by Dead_Reckon...
Che-che-che-check it out:
http://www.coyotelinux.com/
Zylstra, I thought you meant router linux. The smallest usable linux i know of is DSL (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/), its 50MB, so you'd need a CD. Coyote is just for a router, next time ask me the intention of OS.
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The drive size is 540 so if its not all that good I can go a little bigger. ;)
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the install of DSL is only 50MB, it'll install on near anything... Wait, is the drive 540MB...? If it is, how old IS this computer in question?
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He wanted to know what my answers where so I just put it in his quote. Patio its not the people who think in the box that affect the world. Its the people outside of it to begin with. ;)
So thinking outside the box means i have to re-read a quote to find out what you're replies are to a question ? ?
Then why would you put your replies inside a box ? ?
Do you want me to think inside a box or outside the box ? ? ? ? ?
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Uh, did patio go off the deep end?
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it on a gateway 2000, 486 pent, I think the drive had 1995 on it.
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486 pent
What is a "486 pent"?
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He wanted to know what my answers where so I just put it in his quote. Patio its not the people who think in the box that affect the world. Its the people outside of it to begin with. ;)
Sometimes people who think outside the box are crazy, like you, squall.
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Not sure I was thinking its a pentium because intel made them an used to seeing them, but it says intel 486. socket 3, e=mc2 is that not so?????
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It's an 80486, sometimes shortened to "486". pentiums came later. This computer is going to run like a stone dog.
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I know, so you think linux mite be too much for it? It did have like windows 3 or something old like that. I took it only cause its collectable an still works.
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Yeah, I think its a shelf novelty Squall, its beyond its life span.
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I got two of them ;) Any buyers????
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I'll take one off your hands if you pay shipping...
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it on a gateway 2000, 486 pent, I think the drive had 1995 on it.
That doesnt tell us much...
What kind of processor is it exactly? And how fast is it?
How much RAM does it have?
540MB sounds about right for a basic home computer during the 95' era...
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it on a gateway 2000, 486 pent, I think the drive had 1995 on it.
That doesnt tell us much...
What kind of processor is it exactly? And how fast is it?
How much RAM does it have?
540MB sounds about right for a basic home computer during the 95' era...
If it's a 486 it's going to be 100 MHz or under, and it is unlikely to have more than 4 or 8 MB of RAM.
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Yeah, it was a sectary finical PC or something similar of that. I'm joking, I don't even know where you are patio.
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I dont think there are any (not even XFce) desktop Linux distributions that support a computer like your... the processor wouldent be much of a problem, but the low RAM would be a huge problem.
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*censored* Small Linux, which has been suggested already, runs on a 486 with 8Mb
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html
Here's a pic of a 486 with 16 MB running DSL. 16 Mb is better, but it will run in 8. A DX processor (the kind with an FPU) is better for any kind of multimedia including looking at jpegs. An SX33 (without FPU) rendered the bbc.co.uk front page in around 15 seconds.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/badoit/nick_paul_dsl_trimmed.jpg)
We don't know what speed the CPU is on squall's machine,nor whether it is a DX or SX, nor the amount of RAM.
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Is that Uncle Bob on the left there ? ?
;D
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Is that Uncle Bob on the left there ? ?
;D
That's my grandson.
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;D ;D
;)
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A 540 Mb mid 1990s hard drive, if it spins up at all (if the lube hasn't all dried up) is not going to have much life expectancy. I would have thought.
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You have to start thinking outside the box........
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I was thinking about putting a bigger drive in it like 10 gb western.
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I was thinking about putting a bigger drive in it like 10 gb western.
You'll never fill it. The BIOS may not recognise all of it anyway. There was a 4096 cylinder/2.11 GB size barrier that became a problem around 1996. However, it may have a bit more life in it than the original one, which must be nearly old enough to vote!
How are you planning to get an OS onto it?
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Thats good maybe I'll use that 2 gb maxtor I have in place. Floppies how else?
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Floppies how else?
I think we ruled that out..
Any good descent OS with desktop interface is going to require at least 50MB... and I doubt you want to go through 50 floppies...
How about taking the drive out of the computer, and putting it in a newer one and setting it up on that newer computer, and then taking the drive back out, and putting it into the old computer...
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I thought about that but arent most like xp an sense hardware changes.
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I thought about that but arent most like xp an sense hardware changes.
Many older Linux distros arent fussy about hardware. Especially the little ones. They require an x86 cpu and a vga display and a small amount of RAM. Pre- 95 Windows is the same. I moved a WFWG 3.11 installation from a 486 Compaq to a P120 homebuild and it worked first time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux#Floppy_disk_distributions
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Linux is nice about running in a cramped environment like what a 486 would give it, but, a system that old isn't likely to have much use even if you got it working. You'd need an NIC or WIC for one if you want internet. That's if it has at least one PCI slot, if it only has ISA, your screwed.
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Come on, Dead_Reckon, surely you must realise this is one of Squall's "thought experiments". :)
Anyway, I would think that an MS-DOS 6.22 and/or a Windows for Workgroups floppy set is a better bet. Of course there isn't any way at all of getting that, eh folks?
You'd need an NIC or WIC for one if you want internet.
That isn't exactly true. You could use a 56K modem hung off the serial port and get a dial up account.
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You can legally download DOS 6.22 as far as I am concerned...
http://bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
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If someone says dial up again, I'm going to beat them to death with a phone book. So many awful memories of dial up on our first family PC so long ago... Anyway, you should ask Zylstra about his 4MHz IBM
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Anyway, you should ask Zylstra about his 4MHz IBM
The beige beat of doom from 1986!
4MHz computer, 2MB of RAM, and a dead 80MB HDD.
Runs hard core Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, and DOS 5.0.
(Of course, the drive is dead... so, it doesnt really run any of that anymore...)
VINTAGE!
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You can legally download DOS 6.22 as far as I am concerned...
http://bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
That one disk is just a boot disk with a few disk tools on it. It isn't the MS-DOS 6.22 full OS install, which is 3 floppies, 4 if you count the supplemental disk.
People who posted links to so-called "abandonware" sites on CH have been told to remove them... Has that policy changed? As far as I know MS has not made MS-DOS freeware. I know about the 6.22 upgrade \available for free download, but that requires an existing 6.22 installation.
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You can legally download DOS 6.22 as far as I am concerned...
http://bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
That one disk is just a boot disk with a few disk tools on it. It isn't the MS-DOS 6.22 full OS install, which is 3 floppies, 4 if you count the supplemental disk.
People who posted links to so-called "abandonware" sites on CH have been told to remove them... Has that policy changed? As far as I know MS has not made MS-DOS freeware. I know about the 6.22 upgrade \available for free download, but that requires an existing 6.22 installation.
Hmm... your right... thats not the full version.
Abandonwear... thats a bit of a gray line, and as far as I can tell, has never been determined.
But! Microsoft has released DOS 6.22 for free:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=96cc3197-b7e5-4b31-badb-ddaac771295f&displaylang=en
You could use a file splitting program that is compatible with DOS to get this on three disks...
If the Original Poster wants the Setup file in three diskettes, Lets NOT Tell the original poster to search for the following on Google:
DOS 6.22 Full Version download
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A 540 Mb mid 1990s hard drive, if it spins up at all (if the lube hasn't all dried up) is not going to have much life expectancy. I would have thought.
I still have two 50MB drives, and they work fine. I had an older giant looking Western Digital from around '87, but I decided to rip it open to see it's insides. Then I ran it through a USB enclosure with the cover open. Good times.
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But! Microsoft has released DOS 6.22 for free:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=96cc3197-b7e5-4b31-badb-ddaac771295f&displaylang=en
It hasn't, as I already pointed out.
The link you gave leads to MS-DOS 6.2 Step-Up. It is for 6.0 Users Only. (MS-DOS Step-Up differs from Upgrade in that it is limited to earlier 6x versions only and contains file updates not complete copies of application files other than IO.SYS & MSDOS.SYS)
I wrote this in my previous post but you ignored it:
I know about the 6.22 upgrade available for free download, but that requires an existing 6.22 installation.
I got the version numbers wrong, and I didn't then appreciate the difference beteen step-up and upgrade, but the essence is true. The only thing Microsoft has "released" is a 6.2 (not 6.22) step-up for legal 6.0 owners.
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yeah, its experimental stuff, that also gives me an idea but I think I ruled the drive to be dead.
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Great...so now what do we do ? ?
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we wait till I put the other one together an what else was recommened.
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When I said it was a "thought experiment" I meant I didn't think anything would actually happen.
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It works an everything just needed an os
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It works an everything just needed an os
For want of an 'os(s) the kingdom was lost
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??? Any how I'm going to put dos 6 on the one ect....
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???
For want of a nail the horsehoe was lost,
For want of a shoe the horse ('oss") was lost,
For want of a horse the battle was lost,
For want of a battle the war was lost,
For want of a war the kingdom was lost.
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well its not working I have to get a new copy of the linux os zip an I dont think that dos will fit on the floppy.
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DOS normally comes on several floppies. They are labelled sequentially, from 1 to the number of floppies in the set. In addition, the installation procedure requires that these floppies be used in order, using the first one to start a "SETUP" program, and waiting until the program requests the next disk. At this time, the disk present in the drive will be removed, and replaced with the next disk in the set. A key will be pressed to indicate to the setup program that the disk has been inserted, at which point it will continue copying files until the next disk.
In short: you can make a basic DOS boot disk with one floppy, but it's necessary to use several to install the whole OS on a computer. Ideally, of course, using the installation program. (for DOS versions 4 and higher)
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Oh yeah, well I dont no how to do that... ??? ::)
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But! Microsoft has released DOS 6.22 for free:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=96cc3197-b7e5-4b31-badb-ddaac771295f&displaylang=en
It hasn't, as I already pointed out.
The link you gave leads to MS-DOS 6.2 Step-Up. It is for 6.0 Users Only. (MS-DOS Step-Up differs from Upgrade in that it is limited to earlier 6x versions only and contains file updates not complete copies of application files other than IO.SYS & MSDOS.SYS)
Ah, okay. I see now
I wrote this in my previous post but you ignored it:
I know about the 6.22 upgrade available for free download, but that requires an existing 6.22 installation.
Didnt ignore it, I just didnt understand fully what you meant. I get what you said now
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That dont tell me how....
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That dont tell me how....
No.
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43.
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????? Its just saing the differnce between the two or whichever.
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Keep on rockin' squally boy
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??? ??? Is he on something?????
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It's you that seems to be "on something", O Squallish One
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??? ??? ??? ::) okay ..... the link to cyoto linux download dont work the program not the link.
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??? ??? ??? ::) okay ..... the link to cyoto linux download dont work the program not the link.
The link ... not the link? What are you on? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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43.
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He's been listening to too many Sarah Palin speeches.
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what is 43. I'm against her why would I? I dont care that much about politates. I'm a thrid party person myself. I mean that I could get the linux program but when I ran it, it wouldnt work at all or all the files coppie thats it.
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I'm against her
Ol' Squall ain't so bad.
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she conterdicts herself. I could get it on the machine just where to get it to put it on floppies an stuff, a nother site with cyoto linux.
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If I told you what the 43 meant you would get very angry. I'm afraid you will need to discover it's meaning over time.
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I now what your meaning know. Its seems like that I'll have too find info about this tommorow then.
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I thought we determined:
You cant install Linux via Floppy...
And the computer wouldent get that great of performance anyways... and the drive will most likely die out soon.
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I thought that we found an os copy that would fit?
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http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html
Follow the link, open the category menu, and select minimalist, and Go.
There's a few distros that say they fit on floppies. (you'll have to weed through the unmaintained ones)
Seriously.... Did no one look at linux.org!? ::)
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Seriously.... Did no one look at linux.org!? ::)
Seriously ... what did you expect?
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I never heard of it. So what where you expecting?
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I never heard of it. So what where you expecting?
Linux.org is where you go to find out about Linux.
You didn't tell us anything about why you could not get Coyote to work, so I think this thread is running out of steam.
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I now that, I like some of the ones on here. Right off that I will try. :D Any place for DOS?
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I now that, I like some of the ones on here. Right off that I will try. :D Any place for DOS?
http://www.google.com
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figured someone would start saing that. Have to get them again not sure why that the files didnt download right.