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Hardware => Hardware => Topic started by: WillyW on November 25, 2009, 01:23:02 PM

Title: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 25, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
Considering an external USB enclosure.
Looking around www.newegg.com

This will be for use with plain old IDE hard drive(s).     Desktop - 3.5 inch.

They start at $15.

Anything in particular that you can say,  as to how to go about choosing one?

For example - is there a brand name or model that you'd recommend?
or... recommend to avoid?

Thanks
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: truenorth on November 25, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=3&oq=external++hard+drive+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZHZ_enCA241CA241&q=external+hard+drive+enclosure
truenorth
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 25, 2009, 04:59:06 PM
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=3&oq=external++hard+drive+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZHZ_enCA241CA241&q=external+hard+drive+enclosure
truenorth

?  ??
That's a link to a google search.   
Is it an error?



Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: Computer_Commando on November 25, 2009, 05:54:34 PM
It must have AC adapter.
Aluminum case might be good, it's going to get hot in there.
I'm not a big fan of the external 3.5's, too much power, too much heat.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 25, 2009, 06:10:33 PM
It must have AC adapter.

In other words,  don't get one that pulls its power through the USB port?

I thought about that, and had come to that conclusion.
Thanks for commenting, and confirming.

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Aluminum case might be good, it's going to get hot in there.

Meaning that the case acts as a heat sink? ....  ok.

Never had one of these -    are some cases NOT aluminum?     perhaps plastic??

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I'm not a big fan of the external 3.5's, too much power, too much heat.

I've noticed some descriptions mentioning a fan.
Would it be recommended to get one with a fan?


Thanks
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: Computer_Commando on November 25, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
You've got it right on all counts.  Fan's gonna be noisy.
Does it really need to be IDE?  Just trying to find a home for an old hard drive?
If no and no, then consider 2.5in WD Passport or Seagate FreeAgent.  320GB are $70.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 06:40:59 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193022 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193022)

I recently grabbed a pair of these...but i didn't pay that much.
Rugged...tales both IDE or SATA HDD's and i've had no issues with heat dissipation.

This co. has a pretty extensive line of enclosures.

patio.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: soybean on November 26, 2009, 08:25:14 AM
This co. has a pretty extensive line of enclosures.
I'm not familiar with that brand but, for only $19.99 plus shipping, this one looks interesting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193067

Buyer reviews of it are fairly positive.

You might also want to look for one with newegg.com's free shipping offer in effect.  They seem to be offering free shipping on more items than usual, perhaps to stimulate holiday season sales.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 08:29:51 AM
Yep...same co. soybean.
The only difference with mine is the feet is the entire width/length of the enclosure.

Heres all the ones newegg stocks... (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001405%2040000092&Manufactory=1405&SubCategory=92&SpeTabStoreType=1)
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 08:36:03 AM
You've got it right on all counts.  Fan's gonna be noisy.
Does it really need to be IDE?  Just trying to find a home for an old hard drive?

Compatibility with mb,  should I ever want/need to take drive out of enclosure and install in computer.  MB does not do sata.

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If no and no, then consider 2.5in WD Passport or Seagate FreeAgent.  320GB are $70.

Thanks
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 08:41:32 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193022 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193022)

I recently grabbed a pair of these...

Thanks for the link, and recommendation by model and brand name.

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but i didn't pay that much.
You had to say that, didn't ya?     :) 
heh

Ok... got any other vendors that you can recommend?


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Rugged...tales both IDE or SATA HDD's and i've had no issues with heat dissipation.

This co. has a pretty extensive line of enclosures.

Thanks for your comments on them.


Question:
In the Specs/Features of that drive, on newegg's page,  it says:
"...hard drives up to 750GB..."

Why would an enclosure have any affect on the max drive storage?   
I don't get the statement.....


Thanks
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 08:43:50 AM
I'm not familiar with that brand but, for only $19.99 plus shipping,

Now we're moving in the right direction!
:)

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this one looks interesting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817193067

Buyer reviews of it are fairly positive.

You might also want to look for one with newegg.com's free shipping offer in effect.  They seem to be offering free shipping on more items than usual, perhaps to stimulate holiday season sales.

Thanks.

Now as I read along here,I'm feeling like I have, at least, a little bit of direction. 

Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 08:47:57 AM
Yep...same co. soybean.
The only difference with mine is the feet is the entire width/length of the enclosure.

The $19.99 model does not mention that it does both IDE and SATA, whereas yours did mention it.
Perhaps that is main price difference?

Also, I noticed something that brings up another question:
Win98 is not mentioned in the description of the $19.99 model.
I'll be using Win98.
I'm wasn't even thinking that a driver might be a problem -    should I be?



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Heres all the ones newegg stocks... (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001405%2040000092&Manufactory=1405&SubCategory=92&SpeTabStoreType=1)

Tnx.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 08:56:55 AM
I bought locally...for the same price Soybean mentioned.

The description limiting drive size does not make any sense to me...
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
I bought locally...for the same price Soybean mentioned.

Just my luck.
Tnx

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The description limiting drive size does not make any sense to me...

Good.
I'm not alone.
Tnx.


.

Win98 drivers?      potential problem for me?
any commenst on it?
(I'm googling now, to see if I can find out if there is just some generic driver
to use....)



Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 09:16:16 AM
Does USB work for you now under Win98 ? ?
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 09:20:49 AM

Found these, in my bookmarks:

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php
and
http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

Apparently I'd noted them for future reference.


What do you (anybody) think of it?

Thanks
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 09:23:46 AM
My best advice at this point would be to install either of those...and borrow an external drive to test them out...
That way you know before purchase.

PS. The enclosure will make no difference at this point.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 09:25:41 AM
Does USB work for you now under Win98 ? ?

Yes.    A printer, and a scanner.

Trying to remember... if I've ever used it for anything else...


Only thing that comes to mind, is once I was trying to set up an Ipod for a friend.   As I recall, there was some driver problem.....

At the time though, I did install another PCI card, with two USB 2.0 ports on it.   

Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 09:28:46 AM
My best advice at this point would be to install either of those...and borrow an external drive to test them out...
That way you know before purchase.

True.
Will have to see if I can think of somebody.   
Might not be a possibility.

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PS. The enclosure will make no difference at this point.

?
I don't understand what you mean.

Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 09:48:41 AM
The Make/Brand of enclosure will not matter,,,either it works or it doesn't...
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 09:53:32 AM
The Make/Brand of enclosure will not matter,,,either it works or it doesn't...

The driver is not make/brand specific?      ... thought so.   
Thanks

Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 09:57:50 AM
Chances are if you are able to run a scanner...which is probably listed as a mass storage device...then an external drive should work.
But i'd still highly recommend borrowing 1 first to test.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: WillyW on November 26, 2009, 10:03:27 AM
Chances are if you are able to run a scanner...which is probably listed as a mass storage device...then an external drive should work.
But i'd still highly recommend borrowing 1 first to test.

Will think on that, and see if I can.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: Computer_Commando on November 26, 2009, 03:03:50 PM
The Make/Brand of enclosure will not matter,,,either it works or it doesn't...
Win98 may require Make/Brand specific drivers.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 26, 2009, 09:22:30 PM
Not neccessary...
It will only need to recognise a USB mass storage device...

Who's it is will be irrelevant.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: BC_Programmer on November 26, 2009, 11:02:02 PM
Not neccessary...
It will only need to recognise a USB mass storage device...

Who's it is will be irrelevant.

Windows 98 does not come with Generic USB class drivers; it was released in the early years of USB before the USB classes and their interfaces were established. However, If memory serves the Windows 98SE "unofficial service pack" contains generic Mass storage USB drivers.
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: soybean on November 27, 2009, 07:43:08 AM
If memory serves the Windows 98SE "unofficial service pack" contains generic Mass storage USB drivers.
I don't know what the Windows 98SE "unofficial service pack" is but I know Win 98SE - I guess this would be without the Windows 98SE "unofficial service pack" - does not contain generic Mass storage USB drivers.  Years ago, I bought my first flash drive, PNY brand, and had to download a driver from PNY to get Win 98SE to recognize the flash drive.  I see PNY still has the drivers at http://www3.pny.com/support/support_landing_subcat.aspx?SectionID=1083&RootSectionID=1057&TypeID=5
Title: Re: External enclosure advice needed
Post by: patio on November 27, 2009, 07:57:50 AM
Soybean,
It was a User contributed Project from the fine folks over at MSFN Forums...

More Info. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=14&ved=0CDQQFjAN&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msfn.org%2Fboard%2Fwindows-9x-member-projects-f91.html&ei=Z-gPS47KL5OIMbLr5DM&usg=AFQjCNF6D4wJuaZzpRNCC-M-vLsZVoEQKg&sig2=uCW_rquWdcyBUWbzPT8D3Q)

From what i remember there were 3 + Years of work put into the project...