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« on: October 12, 2010, 03:33:11 PM »
How much do we need to bow down to these sites that make us justify our websites?

http://www.mywot.com/

http://ratemysite.com/

I have recently had to swallow a bitter pill when my website was deemed 'ethical issues'.

All this happened because my privacy policy was deemed harsh...  in the fact I would 'reserve the right' to charge £10 in the event that somebody would request there details, which is well within my rights to do under UK law and the site is a UK domain. I would like to highlight the fact that it is 'reserve the right'
http://www.spaceandscience.co.uk/index.php/privacypolicymainmenuextras.html

I find these sites helpful but very frustrating when it comes to some 10yr old pushing a key to decide the fate of a website.

http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/7970-rate-my-site      if you would like to look at the thread.

It to me makes no sense. I feel these sites can be damaging to people who have no malicious intent.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 04:20:22 PM »
hi mulreay , that wot one is bad i would get out of there right now

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 04:23:52 PM »
Basically, what it boils down to is that Mulreay's Privacy Policy adheres to the U.K Data protection Act of 1998; apparently, the people on WOT are completely unaware of the scope of said act, and exactly how much work it could entail to get the information if somebody requests it; that is why there is a charge. It's not something simple like "oh, we store three cookies, here they are" It's pretty much an official document that has to be snail-mailed to them (I believe) and that incurs costs in both time as well as money, and they are all essentially saying he should offer it for free, because "he went to the trouble to collect said data". The thing is, even if he didn't collect any data, according to said law he's still have to try to find it and collect it into an official document to mail to anybody that requests the information through said act. Even then, he's not saying "I'll charge you"; he's saying he could charge for it, if it incurs any cost. and it's not storing anything sensitive; pretty much just usernames, passwords, and other stuff the user purposely provided to the site. Even so, collecting all the relevant data in the event that somebody requests it entails a lot of work, and suggesting he do that for free just because they don't feel that he should charge for his efforts in that regard is ridiculous, and shows a clear misunderstanding of said law.

Additionally, several posters remark "that would be illegal in Germany" or in whatever country they are. Of course, that's all wonderful, but it's entirely irrelevant; his site isn't in Germany, and therefore it adheres to the laws of the U.K, not Germany, or any other country.

However, because of the concerns around having a privacy policy, I made sure that mine had one. whew, thank goodness I've covered my bases.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 04:40:32 PM »
i'm glad mine is only a blog and not a web site

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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 05:11:39 PM »
i'm glad mine is only a blog and not a web site
what? why?
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 05:16:13 PM »
BC I could not have EVER put it better than that.

As you know this has annoyed me no end...

Harry thanks for the advice, I'm two steps from walking but it means a lot to me that my site be treated with respect.

BC though knocked the nail on the head there.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 05:23:20 PM »
i'm glad mine is only a blog and not a web site

Sure looks like a web site to me.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 05:32:00 PM »
My issue is with the power these 'people' have to destroy a sites reputation on a single click of the mouse.

Harry has a blog and that can be construed as a website but I feel it's a blog.

But in my opinion 'end' all web evaluator 10yr olds.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2010, 05:47:00 PM »
Apparently I'm spamming people as well....

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poor private policy = see http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/797 ...0
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issues found at IPVOID = http://www.ipvoid.com/scan/188.65. ...

one would think he has it in for me.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2010, 06:17:11 PM »
Harry has a blog and that can be construed as a website but I feel it's a blog.

A blog is a website.

EDIT:

also, re "IPVOID", my site comes up the same, by the same "scanner" thing.

in fact, Microsoft.com's IP is "detected" as well, in addition to computerhope.com's IP. Although I wonder what the flip they are "detecting". It's dreadfully vague.

EDIT2: just tried checking mywot.com's IP as well. they are also "detected"... again, absolutely no idea what that means, but that guy is basing a number of arguments on mulreay's site being "detected" (or something) on there, and apparently half the web is "detected".
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 11:46:04 PM »
Sure looks like a web site to me.

I should have added it looks like a good and useful web site also.

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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 06:28:31 AM »
It would seem I had to apologise as the more I made my point the more they 'rated' my site down.

Just goes to show, we live in a virtual dictatorship rather than a democracy. 
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2010, 07:14:22 AM »
script type="text/javascript">document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src=%27http://s10.histats.com/js15.js%27 type=%27text/javascript%27%3E%3C/script%3E"));
a href="http://www.histats.com" target="_blank" title="stats online" >
try {Histats.start(1,1172321,4,1016,85,17,"00011111");
Histats.track_hits();} catch(err){};
/script>
noscript>/noscript>

This causes s10.histats.com

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Scanning site with: BrowserDefender CLEAN
Scanning site with: DNS-BH CLEAN
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I think you can now see that it places your website at risk. And you want their statistics continue to receive from them, at the expense of your website. The problem is not on their server, but their own website s10.histats.com

The e-mail function on your website that you are also a problem as spam. You could work better with captcha security code.
Anyway, what we write will make no difference to you Seen from previous threads, there is no answer came back normal way.

Here you do with it, I quit seen that I've spent too much time to you


Can somebody explain this to me......
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2010, 07:29:23 AM »
I'm two steps from walking but it means a lot to me that my site be treated with respect.
Hotlinking from other sites, regularly neglecting to include links to original source material, flinging personal insults against people and their nationality, acting like a defiant child (rather than having a rational discussion) when criticized...I have a hard time seeing why you or your site should deserve any respect.  Your space feed/aggregator site has some interesting articles when not posting arbitrary lists of numbers and it's great that you want to share it with others, but if you want respect, you have to give it as well.  The site shouldn't have been targeted for the data fee and I realize that working around a language barrier can be frustrating, but it's no excuse to act out in such an embarrassing and childish manner.  These folks already don't have an understanding of your local law; biting their heads off is only going to make it harder for them to understand what you are saying.  They don't seem to comprehend you anymore than you comprehend them, which is a good sign that you need to take it easy and try to articulate your point or seek out someone with whom you can communicate more effectively.  Heck, if you have to, send BC after them.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2010, 07:32:19 AM »
Hotlinking from other sites, regularly neglecting to include links to original source material, flinging personal insults against people and their nationality, acting like a defiant child (rather than having a rational discussion) when criticized...I have a hard time seeing why you or your site should deserve any respect.  Your space feed/aggregator site has some interesting articles when not posting arbitrary lists of numbers and it's great that you want to share it with others, but if you want respect, you have to give it as well.  The site shouldn't have been targeted for the data fee and I realize that working around a language barrier can be frustrating, but it's no excuse to act out in such an embarrassing and childish manner.  These folks already don't have an understanding of your local law; biting their heads off is only going to make it harder for them to understand what you are saying.

I have apologised already for my comments. But can somebody speak English to me rather than jargon.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2010, 11:33:20 AM »
I have apologised already for my comments. But can somebody speak English to me rather than jargon.

Was that directed at CBMatt?

That last post that I presume you posted from the other site makes sense to me. Of course it's not perfect english, but it's understandable. There doesn't appear to be much jargon. Basically- the site is detected by the scanner because it refers to the histats host, because apparently there is a concern about their website. I thought you were using google analytics anyway.

CBMatt is right about the "acting out" bit. You seemed fine until that one guy rated your site red, and soon afterwards you started flinging the personal insults. That's why I said you should walk away- so you could cool down and respond with something sensible.You never actually fully explained why you had that clause, you just kept saying "because I can according to the law"; that's not really good enough, though. As I mentioned earlier, it generally entails the use of snail mail and "official" type documentation, not simply e-mailing a few things. That incurs costs; but for some reason you decided to insult their intelligence rather then provide that reasonable argument; also, I might be entirely wrong about that. best to research exactly what said law being invoked would entail.

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I'm pretty sure he resolved this with NASA as well as another foundations website; now his articles have the appropriate links, he literally has a contract with them, I think.

Of course, he seems to skim over such truths rather then actually try to articulate them to the people whose english is probably a second or third language, preferring instead to waste time with insults. I think the problem is he's taking the red rating personally. I find it rather ironic given that he asked them to rate the site as well as saying "all constructive criticism welcome".

Some points:

A:) it doesn't matter how long you worked on a site. Nobody cares. Fix the issues, or don't fix the issues, your choice. What are you expecting them to do, go "oh, you work hard, here, I'll change the rating despite the fact that the issues are still there and you haven't provided any explanation for their presence". No, that's crazy. You've been referring to your use of "ratemysite" in terms of an "advertising" thing; but that's not what it is. It's for rating your site; basically, the same way any number of visitors to your site would. The fact is, unlike those otherwise uncontactable visitors who might rate your site red (yellow would probably be more appropriate, but oh well) for the same issues, you can actually respond to them and fix said issues. For example, rather then repeating "it's the LAW why don't you get that OMFG!" type crap, you could link them to something that explains said law; when I said it probably entails official documentation, I assumed you might actually either already know wether that's the case (and it needs to be snail-mailed) or wether there are other provisions. Additionally, you could provide a link to said act, because much of it deals with the privacy of the information gathered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Act_1998

Wikipedia is hardly a perfect source but that outlines a lot of their concerns with what they think might be done with said data, I suppose.

Also, this:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/7

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(1)Subject to the following provisions of this section and to [F1sections 8, 9 and 9A], an individual is entitled—

(a)to be informed by any data controller whether personal data of which that individual is the data subject are being processed by or on behalf of that data controller,

(b)if that is the case, to be given by the data controller a description of—

(i)the personal data of which that individual is the data subject,

(ii)the purposes for which they are being or are to be processed, and

(iii)the recipients or classes of recipients to whom they are or may be disclosed,

(c)to have communicated to him in an intelligible form—

(i)the information constituting any personal data of which that individual is the data subject, and

(ii)any information available to the data controller as to the source of those data, and

(d)where the processing by automatic means of personal data of which that individual is the data subject for the purpose of evaluating matters relating to him such as, for example, his performance at work, his creditworthiness, his reliability or his conduct, has constituted or is likely to constitute the sole basis for any decision significantly affecting him, to be informed by the data controller of the logic involved in that decision-taking.

(2)A data controller is not obliged to supply any information under subsection (1) unless he has received—

(a)a request in writing, and

(b)except in prescribed cases, such fee (not exceeding the prescribed maximum) as he may require.

Doesn't seem to restrict your communication of the information to a official document; it could easily be done through E-mail. Basically, the 10-pound charge is now rather superfluous, because it's not going to cost you 10 pounds to aggregate the information (there shouldn't be much, just what's in their forum profile, I would imagine) and toss it into an E-Mail. It might be a pain in the *censored*, but at the same time, it's highly unlikely that anybody will ever request it; *censored*, how many people do you think even read your privacy policy? Not a huge number, probably. Only reason the people on WOT are paying close attention to it, is, well, because you asked them too. Seems rather childish (as CBMatt put it) to respond with insults. The only thing on there that didn't make a whole lot of sense was the "stealing bandwidth that U.S taxpayers pay for". You're not taking content from NASA; in fact, it's just the first paragraph is copied on your site, followed by a link to the full article on NASA's site, as per the terms of use with NASA. Mulreay, if you are using images directly from NASA, you should download them and upload them to your site, and use them that way instead. I think that's what "hot-linking" means, I've always considered it leeching but meh.

For histats, I think there is some issue with the histats site and their use of data; remember that you are giving them all your statistics on visitors, including OS, browser, etc. and if there is a privacy issue with them, then you sending them all that data means that there is a privacy issue with your site, as well. Since you are already using Google analytics, you could probably disable that; I think it's in the cpanel somewhere.

basically, you asked them to tell you about privacy issues and WOT related problems with your site, and then they find some, and you respond with "well, I have worked on it for 5 hrs a day!" that's hardly a response!

This response is somewhat the opposite of my previous reply; this is because I looked up said law and there is no restriction to mailing "official" documents to people; therefore they can be e-mailed and therefore the cost incurred is practically nil, especially since it's unlikely anybody will request it. Do you have the right to charge that much under the law? Yes. Will it cost that much to get and send the information? No. That's what they take issue with, it seems.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2010, 12:56:07 PM »
what? why?

because i dont need to have a privacy policy


Sure looks like a web site to me.
I should have added it looks like a good and useful web site also.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2010, 01:00:57 PM »
quote by mulreay:-  Harry has a blog and that can be construed as a website but I feel it's a blog.

you are right it is a blog and says so at the bottom of every page , but as said above it's like a web site and if i can get the change's i want it will do even more , but it is hard to get the help

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2010, 02:35:22 PM »
because i dont need to have a privacy policy

Websites don't need a Privacy Policy... Mine doesn't have one.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2010, 02:38:39 PM »
I have altered my pp to suite the masses. As I have stated I apologised for my petty behaviour when responding to there narrow mindedness lets not go on about it.
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2010, 03:11:18 PM »
Websites don't need a Privacy Policy... Mine doesn't have one.

so its only forums then

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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2010, 03:15:37 PM »
Nope...
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2010, 03:33:12 PM »
ok , i give up

A privacy policy is by choice. You choose to have one. It is the legal stuff that most of us want to forget. I still to this day don't get all the jargon but I try.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2010, 03:44:05 PM »
Mulreay,  out of curiosity, did you ever actually charge anyone?

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2010, 03:46:42 PM »
Mulreay,  out of curiosity, did you ever actually charge anyone?

No and I probably never would, the idea was to stop abuse. I was well within my rights to charge and no matter how many different ways you look at it I was truthful, honest and lawful.
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Re: Rate my Site
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2010, 03:47:58 PM »
I have now changed my PP to not quote that £10 charge. This is a bitter pill to swollow but needs must.
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2010, 04:27:36 PM »
PP looks good.  Hopefully things improve again.

Those IP blacklist things can be frustrating,  if one site on the server is spamming.etc the IP gets blacklisted.  It doesn't mean that all sites with that IP spam if you have a shared IP address like your site does.

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2010, 04:30:01 PM »
camerongray:- are your , blog(ish) website and cafe down

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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2010, 04:31:49 PM »
Nope - what's happening?

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2010, 04:33:30 PM »
Nope - what's happening?

getting this when i go to them

The address is not valid

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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2010, 04:35:31 PM »
hmm - Coding Cafe is down, will fix ASAP but my blogish one should work

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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2010, 04:37:02 PM »
no , both down

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2010, 04:38:40 PM »
Well that's not good  :P

What exactly does the error say?  Is it from the browser or the webserver?

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2010, 04:39:23 PM »
The blog looked fine to me.

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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2010, 04:40:29 PM »
hmm - this is odd - I've probably busted something - that's usually the cause :)

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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2010, 05:02:18 PM »
this is the blog

  The address is not valid
   
   Most likely causes:
•There might be a typing error in the address.
•If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date.
 
   What you can try:
     Retype the address. 
 
     Go back to the previous page.
 

this is the website


Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
   
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    Diagnose Connection Problems 
 
     
 
also this

If you are seeing this page, your browser settings prevent you from automatically redirecting to a new URL.
Please click here to continue.

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2010, 05:05:05 PM »
just got in here

http://camerongray.me/

its your 2 links i'm trying

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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2010, 05:06:36 PM »
So you can get to the blog?

I'm aware Coding Cafe is down, I will fix it but I've been busy

Woops - we have gone a bit off topic - sorry Mulreay!

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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2010, 05:11:56 PM »
So you can get to the blog?

I'm aware Coding Cafe is down, I will fix it but I've been busy

Woops - we have gone a bit off topic - sorry Mulreay!

ok and yes sorry mulreay , but i think he has gone to bed  :)

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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2010, 05:14:00 PM »
No worries at all
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He marks - not that you won or lost,
But how you played the game.

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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2010, 05:36:53 AM »
So you can get to the blog?


i can get into your blog from your profile link , but not the link in your sig;

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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2010, 05:42:55 AM »
He has three slashes in the link in his signature.
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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2010, 06:47:06 AM »
i see no slashes

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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2010, 12:36:04 PM »
All the bad comments on WOT have vanished and even some of the people who posted negative ones are now posting positive ones!


 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2010, 01:36:47 PM »
All the bad comments on WOT have vanished and even some of the people who posted negative ones are now posting positive ones!


 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Yeah I made changes and calmed down, all good to those who are humble.  ;)
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »
I forgot to mention that WOT themselves got involved in the end. They backed me up after my changes so I think those reds may have been changed by the owners after personal opinions were re-evaluated.

Very nice people at WOT.  ;D
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