We are not running out of IP numbers. -Right?

[michaewlewis]

Adding new ip addresses isn't the only benefit of moving everyone to IPv6. There is a very important security feature that is built-in to the protocol: IPSec. I have been considering moving the network I manage over to IPv6 just for that alone. Basically, IPSec adds encryption and authentication to every packet between two hosts or networks. What does this mean? You can be guaranteed that the who you're talking to is who you think you're talking to. Hackers will have a lot tougher time redirecting websites or spoofing anything.

heh... you made me imagine a cave to cave salesman trying to sell the wheel...

Why would you need a wheel, when a rope is just as effective? I've been using rope for years and it is still worth what it was. I see no benefit for using this new tech. It's just some conspiracy by someone trying to make money.

[mroilfield]

Why would you need a wheel, when a rope is just as effective? I've been using rope for years and it is still worth what it was. I see no benefit for using this new tech. It's just some conspiracy by someone trying to make money.

Are you crazy? Any body who is any body has a wheel!! Rope is so yesterday!!! I think I will just go ahead and shun you for not wanting a wheel. Now get out of my cave before I club you, you peasant!!!!!

 

[CBMatt]

2. Hawaii 5-0 was cancelled over 20 years ago. Sure you can pretend the new one is the same show but it's not, that's why any and all "remakes" of old shows fail.

Do American versions of British shows count?  The success of The Office has greatly surpassed that of the original British version (although I admittedly still prefer the original).  The same can be said for Three's Company, Sanford And Son, All In The Family, Life On Mars, and several others.

Also, V seems to be doing pretty well for itself and I seem to recall the Battlestar Galactica remake being quite popular for a time (and it has already had a spin-off).  Although I think it is an atrocity, the new 90210 is already doing far better than I expected.  V and 90210 are bound to end eventually, but anything that makes it to a second season is typically doing something right.

And I know this one is pushing it a bit, but revivals of The Outer Limits and Doctor Who weren't exactly flops.



I agree with your sentiments regarding remakes, but there are always some exceptions.

[patio]

Exactly what economic forces stand to profit from this ? ?

This still went unanswered...

As far as remakes i'll leave that alone for off Topic.

[BC_Programmer]

Do American versions of British shows count?

for the most part, no. I was thinking more along the lines of remakes, as in, the original that they are remaking was cancelled years before. most american duplicates of British shows are made while the british one is still being aired. Additionally, as far as many people are concerned, the "remake" is an "original" in that in many cases the foreign version never aired in North America.

The success of The Office has greatly surpassed that of the original British version (although I admittedly still prefer the original).

I haven't seen the british version. I thought the other one was pretty stupid TBH.

The same can be said for Three's Company, Sanford And Son, All In The Family, Life On Mars, and several others.

I didn't even know they remade any of those.

but anything that makes it to a second season is typically doing something right.

On the other hand, survivor and the various "copies" of it have been around for more then a single season. That's about the time I lost all faith in the television viewing public.

As far as remakes i'll leave that alone for off Topic.

You mean a remake of  this topic? 

[Geek-9pm]

Good morning again. Going to talk about Apple, Microsoft and IPv6 as it applies to the current situation.
As to the economic benefits and forces regarding the new Internet protocol IPv6.
The principal economic factor pushing IPv6 appears to be the desire to give mobile devices a persistent IP address. The concept of a persistent IP address would require a much larger address space. The current Internet protocol does not require that every device that could be connected to the system have its own unique IP address. In the present structure IP addresses can be either unique or can be shared. A large block, or blocks, of IP addresses are held in reserve. Apparently they are not used. Or if they are used for the use is not known by the rest of us. These large blocks are what prevents us from making full use of the existing 4 billion object address space. In any case, having unique IP addresses for everything that might ever be connected to the Internet certainly does exhaust the existing scheme of things. However, it is theoretically possible to serve as countless billions of objects using only a 4 billion object address space. But that is a hypothetical academic consideration and is not were talking about here.
Both Apple and Microsoft are major economic players in the current trend to adopt new technologies. The key word here is mortal. I'll say it again. Mobile. This is what Gross tried in the new technology at the present time. Having a unique IP address for every cell phone, Eye-Pie, Bluetooth or whatever the objects-with-reasons that people carry with them, will certainly exhaust the existing address space.
Why is a persistent IP address needed? Is needed for mobile devices. The device it stays mostly in one region or area does not have to have unique IP address. With today's transportation systems, specifically in our airlines, a mobile device can be on the other side of the world in the mud in a matter of hours. If the device has an unique IP address then it will remain functional while it is traveling across several time zones or geographical regions.
Yes, I was making references to the iPhone or its competition which is based on android. I don't mean the operating system itself, but rather mobile devices other than the ones produced by Apple Corp.
now that were considering the idea of persistent IP address, or actually become more apparent what is really going on here and why you keep telling us for running out of address space. It's not the address space we need for ordinary type of communication to always done. It has to do with providing a unique IP address for every Mobile drive device that anybody not pass or might purchase in the future. Also, in the new technology GPS will be a built-in feature of every mobile device. With persistence IP and GPS at any instant in time you will know where every mobile device is on this planet and you will be able to make it instantly with that device. This means you could be watching a streaming video on your iPhone while traveling across the Atlantic at 35,000 feet at the same time participating in a videoconference with corporate headquarters over in Hong Kong. And I suppose somebody will think I'm making a joke to know, that is exactly the sort of thing that is being planned for our future.
Do forgive me for not doublechecking  spelink lists or going over the grammar. This is give me a headache and I have been reading through dozens and dozens of documents, some several years old, and all this the stuff they talk about is causing me to lose sleep.
Oh yes, Security. Right. Now security is required. Everybody has to wear cloths.

AppleInsider | Apple's secret "Back to My Mac" push behind IPv6 Aug 19, 2008 ...
Apple enabled IPv6 by default in Mac OS X 10.3 Panther in 2003, and it is now
enabled by default in Windows Vista, too. ...

Apple's IPv6 fix favours IPv4 - Going backwards | TechEye
 Nov 12, 2010 ... While the rest of the world waits for the internet to move to IPv6,
Apple appears to have made a leap backwards with its latest Snow Leopard ...
http://www.techeye.net/hardware/apples-ipv6-fix-favours-ipv4

[reddevilggg]

Good morning again. Going to talk about Apple, Microsoft and IPv6 as it applies to the current situation.

I think thats the problem. Most of what you've talked about is just opinion.

Debate is alot easier when you use fact.

[Geek-9pm]

Debate is alot easier when you use fact.

I disagree. Can you prove your assertion?

Fact: Most Internet connections presently require more than the four byte IP4 thing. A fully qualified URL is required unless the object has an uniqure IP address. But it is not lawful to advertise your IP as the way to find your site. You must use a domain name.
Want examples?

I have given that fact in the above debate and people keep saying with we running out out  of IP address. Without explaining when they mean. Who is running out? How is it running out? Why is it running out? Where is it running out? Who has the facts? How many are needed? How many are there? What happens when 'we' run out? Facts please.

Recently somebody 'found' a huge chink of unused IP address and turned them over to the authorities. Somehow that fact did not stop the head in the mud median for repeating the slogan. "We are running out... We are running out."  Facts don't help at all.

[BC_Programmer]

I disagree. Can you prove your assertion?

Fact: Most Internet connections presently require more than the four byte IP4 thing.

What?

A fully qualified URL is required unless the object has an uniqure IP address.

Wrong- a fully qualified URL simply maps to an IP address.

But it is not lawful to advertise your IP as the way to find your site.

It's perfectly legal to do so- it's no less legal then using a Domain name. It's probably a bad idea to be hosting on a home machine to begin with anyways.

I have given that fact in the above debate and people keep saying with we running out out  of IP address.

It's not a fact. It's not even opinion. You just made it up right now, and you've never mentioned it in this thread that I can see.

Recently somebody 'found' a huge chink of unused IP address and turned them over to the authorities. Somehow that fact did not stop the head in the mud median for repeating the slogan. "We are running out... We are running out."  Facts don't help at all.

Racial slurs, tssk tssk. you don't "find" huge chunks of IP addresses. They aren't exactly something you find in treasure chests or anything. Neither has anybody "turned over" any, nor would  they have turned them over to the "authorities". (what authorities? How to do turn them over?)

[mroilfield]

Why is a persistent IP address needed? Is needed for mobile devices. The device it stays mostly in one region or area does not have to have unique IP address. With today's transportation systems, specifically in our airlines, a mobile device can be on the other side of the world in the mud in a matter of hours. If the device has an unique IP address then it will remain functional while it is traveling across several time zones or geographical regions.

You must not fly very often.  Wifi is starting to be available on flights so there goes the need for every device to have their own IP while traveling to remain functional.

Plus I drive across several different time zones on a frequent basis in the U.S. and have no problem with my iPhone not being functional so I don't see what a time zone has to do with any thing.

Also, in the new technology GPS will be a built-in feature of every mobile device. With persistence IP and GPS at any instant in time you will know where every mobile device is on this planet and you will be able to make it instantly with that device.

What does GPS have to do with IP addresses? You do know how GPS works right?

This means you could be watching a streaming video on your iPhone while traveling across the Atlantic at 35,000 feet at the same time participating in a videoconference with corporate headquarters over in Hong Kong.

See my comment above about wifi being offfered on flights. If your phone has the ability to watch a video and do a video conference at the same time then you can already do this.

[BC_Programmer]

If your phone has the ability to watch a video and do a video conference at the same time then you can already do this.

Actually, that very functionality was being demonstrated in the mid-80's on an episode of computer chronicles I saw. I distinctly recall some sort of screen that was mounted in some airliners that was shown to allow business people (this was in first class no doubt) to perform conference calls with several people simultaneously while in the air. Warranted it was a tad jerky but the concept is hardly something of fiction or whimsy, nor did it even involve IP addresses, so I'm not even able to figure out how it's even remotely related.

[Salmon Trout]

a huge chink of unused IP address

I'm not even going to go there

[mroilfield]

Warranted it was a tad jerky but the concept is hardly something of fiction or whimsy, nor did it even involve IP addresses, so I'm not even able to figure out how it's even remotely related.

There are a lot of this in Geek's post that have nothing to do with IP addresses.

[reddevilggg]

I disagree. Can you prove your assertion?

It seems like EVERYBODY is proving these....assertions.......i am mearly stating what i see. You make a post..........4 or 5 people prove you wrong......then you just carry on. Seems a bit weird to me. I've made a few mistakes on this forum, but soon as i'm 'enlightened' to my mistake i will research then apologise. As you can see by the replies by BC_P,  mroilfield and Salmon Trout, they all seem to disagree with quite a few of your points. Yet you seem to march on forward reguardless.

I suggest a big slice of humble pie.

[BC_Programmer]

Yet you seem to march on forward reguardless.

Clearly, this is not a forum thread, but rather it's Geek-9pm's blog, and we are mere commenters on that blog.