Clone your Laptop. How?

[Geek-9pm]

This is a recommendation.
 This is not my idea, the post here is for reference.
Hereis a brief summary from another forum.
Note the reference to e-SATA.

Clone from laptop hard drive to anther lap top hard drive in external enclosure?
Q.
... clone the drive to another nearly identical drive. Is it possible to CLONE from the internal 2.5" hard drive ... or 2) through an e-SATA connection to the other nealy identical 2.5" drive ....
A. Install the blank drive in the Hp and place the source drive in the enclosure. You also have the best chance of success if you boot from the TI Rescue CD which can be made from your software.
Any hidden or diagnostic partitions should be retained in the original sizes and my recommendation is that the cloning be performed in manual mode ...
http://forum.acronis.com/forum/6248

All new HP laptop shave  the e-SATA connector.
(But if you find one that does not, don't buy it.)

[Cesarina]

How to copy Laptop Hard Drive
http://www.ehow.com/how_4898255_clone-la ...

Backup software,system settings and files,,,
For your copy of Windows, programs,system settings and files to include a copy of the image,you can use the system.The system's image following the original programs,settings and files are stored in a separate location from.You have your entire computer's hard disk crashes or your computer's contents can be used to restore the files.

[Geek-9pm]

Clearly the above post has nothing to do with cloning anything.

Right. And XCOPY can not even create a bookable disk for you.
A true clone program has to copy even the files that are never seen by the user. Including the contents of the MBR and other system level data and code.
If you search for a program to backup everything, include the word 'Clone' in the keywords. Which would find this:
http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/
It is more than a  backup. Like Acronis, it makes a true copy of the drive. The personal version if now free.
BTW, Acronis is free for 30 days.
http://download.cnet.com/Acronis-True-Image-Home/3000-2242_4-10168093.html

[patio]

Acronis is also free with the purchase of a new Seagate HDD...
But you can get it still from the Seagate site...even without purchase...

My Free choice is Macrium Reflect.

[soybean]

Acronis is also free with the purchase of a new Seagate HDD...
But you can get it still from the Seagate site...even without purchase...

At least one of the drives must be Seagate in order for that to work, doesn't it?  I believe the same applies to the free Acronis product from Western Digital.  These versions of Acronis are intended for purchasers of new hard drives to have a tool to clone an old drive to a new one of a specific brand.

[Allan]

What possible difference would it make what brand the hd is?

[soybean]

As you know, Acronis is normally a free product.  So, obviously, the hard drive makers aren't going be giving the standard Acronis software away for free for anyone to use.  So, I believe the versions of Acronis issued by Seagate, Western Digital, etc. are designed to detect the brand of the hard drive being used and only work with that make drive.  Otherwise, what prevents anyone from grabbing a free standard of software that's not intended to be free to everyone?

[Allan]

I understood what you were saying soybean, i just can't see how the brand of drive would in any way effect how Acronis operates.  I certainly could be wrong, but I'd love for someone to explain the process to me if I am.

[Geek-9pm]

Is this and old story?   

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[Allan]

Well, I'd still like to know how...........

[soybean]

I really don't for sure how it works but I presume it's a matter of the software recognizing the brand, and perhaps model, of hard drive.  I see it in the same vein as system reporting tools such as Belarc Advisor and Everest Home Edition being able to report the brand hard drive, processor, and other components.  And, I see it in the same vein as system monitoring tools such as SpeedFan and CPUID, where the software detects certain hardware sensors. 

So, in the case of hard-drive-maker-branded versions of Acronis, hardware recognition is the basis upon which the modified version only works with a particular brand of hard drive.

[BC_Programmer]

Acronis licenses the software to the HD manufacturers. The software isn't changed for each manufacturer.

Basically, Acronis "doesn't care" that these users are getting Acronis for free, because the HD manufacturers already paid Acronis so they could include the software with the drives.

Also, the tools are usually far less capable than the commercial offerings; much like how Windows XP's disk defragmentor is really a relabelled and stripped down copy of "Executive Software Diskeeper".  They are usually a version of the software's "personal" or "home" variants.

EDIT: however, soybean is right, if you don't have one of appropriate drives installed (like a Maxtor drive when trying to run MaxBlast) the program states as such and won't run.

[Allan]

Acronis licenses the software to the HD manufacturers. The software isn't changed for each manufacturer.

Basically, Acronis "doesn't care" that these users are getting Acronis for free, because the HD manufacturers already paid Acronis so they could include the software with the drives.

Also, the tools are usually far less capable than the commercial offerings; much like how Windows XP's disk defragmentor is really a relabelled and stripped down copy of "Executive Software Diskeeper".  They are usually a version of the software's "personal" or "home" variants.

So it works fine regardless of the drive, yes?

[BC_Programmer]

So it works fine regardless of the drive, yes?

No, just did more searching and it looks like for the most part they are specific to each brand, as Soybean noted.

[Salmon Trout]

So it works fine regardless of the drive, yes?

I got a bundled copy of the old Norton Ghost when I bought a hard drive and it has worked with drives from 3 different makers apart from the one it came with.

[Allan]

Okay, I give up.

[Geek-9pm]

I think that the Seagate programs are modified so that they will not start if a Seagate product is not found in the system. So just keep an old Seagate thing installed somewhere and use the program on the other drives. The check is made during the start up of the program.

[patio]

They aren't...
Just tested my Seagate backup CD with no Seagate HDD;s on my benchtest machine...

Worked fine.

However...carry on...

[Geek-9pm]

I stand corrected. It was another  program that did that.

[BC_Programmer]

I stand corrected. It was another  program that did that.

It is Seagate discwizard. It's documented on their site. It requires either a Seagate or a Maxtor drive installed, otherwise it errors out with "Seagate Discwizard was unable to detect a Seagate or Maxtor drive installed on this system" or something to that effect:

.

Also, from an old thread about Disc/DiskWizard:

It only works if the drives show up with a ST model number

The acronis-based product for WD drives (Acronis TrueImage WD Edition) works similarly but requires a WD model number on the drive. Neither work if you are using a RAID controller, either, since they see the model number for the RAID controller rather than the model number for the drive. They may have "fixed" this by simply removing the check altogether in more recent versions.

Well, I'd still like to know how...........

And the above should answer the question. it doesn't actually change how The product operates, (in that it could work just fine as-is with any drive) but the manufacturer-specific, free offerings have checks to try to make sure the free software is only used with drives by the manufacturer that provides the acronis bundle. (either the "WD Edition" or Seagate discwizard, or possibly other manufacturers as well).

[lapwlover]

Clone your Laptop? You mean clone the whole disks of your Laptop? If so you can refer to this article.

not only for windows 7 OS but for Vista/2000/xp

Link removed...

[Salmon Trout]

2 old threads so far revived by lapwlover spamming for Easeus Todo Backup. They must be desperate to increase their Google page ranking.

[TheShadow]

After reading through this old thread, I'm still scratching my head and wondering,,, why would anyone want to Clone a Laptop drive?  Backup to an external drive, YES, as a compressed Image File,  but clone?  Maybe someone doesn't truly understand what clone means.  Eh?

As for Acronis True Image, that comes with a Seagate drive or with the download of Seatools, from Seagate, as was plainly stated, the program has been tweaked to only work if it sees a Seagate drive in the system.  It's been like that for a long time.
When Maxtor was still making drives, the Acronis that came on the Maxblast disk with a new Maxtor drive, would only work if the program saw a Maxtor drive, somewhere in the system.  That made it pretty Undesirable for anyone working on many different brands of HD's and computers.  It wasn't TECH Friendly!

I got my first copy of Ghost 2002 backup software as a gift, on a drivers disk that came with a motherboard. 
It was not motherboard or disk drive sensitive and would work equally well on all systems.  Ghost is actually far superior to other backup software. 

 

[BC_Programmer]

After reading through this old thread, I'm still scratching my head and wondering,,, why would anyone want to Clone a Laptop drive? 

To replace it.

[kimsland]

After reading through this old thread, I'm still scratching my head and wondering,,, why would anyone want to Clone a Laptop drive?  Backup to an external drive, YES, as a compressed Image File,  but clone?

That's how I backup my drives, a compressed Clone (bootable) image.
What is your definition of 'Clone'?

[spock]

I have this device from Aluratek which clones hard drives directly. You have to physically remove the hard drive. You put the (SATA) hard drive you want to copy on one side and the master on the other side. About the only limitation is the the copied drive has to be equal to or larger than the master copy. It cannot be smaller. I have several hard drives with different o.s.'s on them. They are pre-loaded with the programs I use most.  If a hard drive crashes, or gets a virus that  necessates formatting, I just pop the "bad" hard drive in with a "good" one. In a matter of minutes, I'm up and running  again. You may obtain one from Cyberguys for about $90.00-100.00.