as do many other #GlitchPC members, I just can't see how lostcoast sees it acceptable to treat people this way for them purely residing in another channel that lostcoast has a problem with.
Again, I don't, And I don't know why you would want to continue to help in an environment that had been openly hostile towards you anyway. I've never seen Mulreay go to CH for any reason but to complain, and he certainly HAS gone there to troll. There is no other reason that he goes there so IMO LostCoast's response was quite justified. As an observer There is NO DOUBT in my mind from that first line that he would be there to cause trouble. In fact, he quite explicitly starts to troll, asking for a response by calling people racist. No doubt if he reads this post (Mulreay) will be cross with me. Being a friend is not about ignoring character flaws but pointing them out. If you go into a IRC channel expecting to cause trouble and you get it, don't come crying about unfairness. If you ask me Mulreay was, from the start, asking for a Channel ban, and the fact that we got it is something we can pretty much lay on his trolling, even if he didn't make the ban himself it's still a case of "What did you expect?". Arguably it probably would have been better to just ban Mulreay from CH given that I cannot recall him actually visiting that channel without some agenda to Troll, but given we have become some sort of CH banee refugee camp I can understand why a channel-based ban would be in place.
Speaking of that "refugee" camp. So far we've had a bunch of "refugees" come in and complain about CH. Sometimes they have good cause to be upset. Usually they did something stupid. But without exception they remain FIXATED on the channel. Even after they become unbanned they continue to post excerpts and then challenge them in GPC... More than once I've seem PCDoc Post some excerpt from CH and then proceed to argue it in GPC. Grow some balls and make your arguments in CH or not at all. Sometimes it doesn't even really affect the advice. Somebody will post a pastebin where somebody referred to a 775 socket as a 755 socket and somehow that's evidence that they don't know what they are talking about even though the rest of the advice was perfectly sound. Yes, good work. You found out that the numbering structures used for a lot of hardware is stupid and makes no sense and is thus hard to keep track of, congratulations.
Honestly even if they provide good advice I can see why PCDoc and Immental were banned, because when you are helping many many people over time you don't have time for stupid arguments, and both of them from what I understand was willing to come up with one for the silliest reasons, or correct the most irrelevant mistakes. The fact that I would LOVE a good reason to ban them sometimes is enough for me to at least see why they were banned from CH, especially since CH is far busier and there is less time to deal with people repeatedly correcting others on trivial matters.
I'm more annoyed at theses "refugees" we get who apparently are still obsessed with CH after being banned. It's always "OMG LostCoast did this" or "db said this" etc etc. Amusing to a point, but I found it one-sided (this was why I visited some time ago, and had the awesome privilege of learning about the fictitious "Windows Workspace" from the exalted db) and then 'refugees' get surprised when they are banned, as if it came out of nowhere. ALL of #GlitchPC's channel logs are available online with a google search, so they shouldn't be surprised when they discover that people in CH have the ability to google search and find them, and they might not take kindly to the metaphors used to describe them. In fact I was a bit hurt when db didn't list me among those he didn't like.
Another annoyance is when we have people like PCDoc. Apparently he has decided that since I'm not friends with LostCoast and since he's not friends with LostCoast, we are somehow best friends. No, we aren't. Stop acting surprised when I give you a second orifice for saying something stupid or expecting me to 'back you up" on something. I'm not your friend and even if I was I'm not about to suspend reality and claim falsehoods because you are. When it comes to providing information to others the only thing that being a friend might get you is a more diplomatic delivery.... But I digress.
You want me to tell you what I'm sick of? having these people banned from CH come to GlitchPC. PCDoc is a massive pain in the *censored* and I cannot stand him because he's annoying and talks out of his *censored* about how "unfair" the computerhope channel is, and goes on about "justice" and other crap that I don't care about it. Dude you were banned. Move on.
While this does seem harsh, that dude (who is an OP and representative of glitchpc) came to ch for no other reason than to troll LC. Also, of the ppl in GlitchPC, most of them that I saw (aside from you) I've witnessed trolling the heck out of CH peeps before for no reason but to troll. So I understand where LC is coming from.
That was likely, our "refugees" who have apparently decided that being banned is somehow this massive injustice that needs to be corrected conspiring amongst themselves. And Mulreay (A good friend of mine) who will as shown in Cam's log quite clearly join CH for the EXPLICIT purpose of trolling.
The truth is that at least a few of the HOPs/OPs/etc have been trolls more than once before, and as they rep that channel, they earned a channel ban. It makes sense. I do understand that it suck for you (and a few others) to be caught in the crossfire.
The only one I can think of was Mulreay, at least lately. I know neither I and much of the CH folks get on well and neither does Jacky with them but that is why I haven't really joined the channel much. The last time I did was interesting and at least gave me a good insight into the "other side" of the stupid nonsense our idiot refugees like PCDoc are constantly posting. Definitely lies somewhere in the middle. I also made an effort during my visit Where I did indeed argue with some helpers about certain things to also help people asking for help while I was active. While I was really only there to "observe" I don't like the idea of simply idling while people are asking for help So I helped a few people as well. Others take the rather disagreeable approach of remaining silent until they can catch out some minor error by another helper, then attempt to derail everything by turning the discussion from how to fix a certain guests issue to some pointless specifics that aren't necessarily relevant to the problem. I think it's fair to say that with both folks like Mulreay who get heated (even though he had no personal involvement in CH for a very long time) as well as the set of doofuses who use GlitchPC as some stupid refugee camp for their 'unjust banning' (GET OVER IT IT'S IRC!) the impression left cannot be a positive one. I've said some unfavourable things but I try to avoid such things being brought up in the CH channel itself when I do appear. One time back in teh day where I did appear apparently at a rather unlikely time since apparently some of the other folks were trying to give a brow-beating, it was believed quite reasonably I was brought on as "back-up". Which wasn't the case and was merely an unfortunate coincidence. It is things EXACTLY like the chat log cam has shown that are why I avoid visiting CH, but for the opposite reason one might expect. it is because of the outright misconduct and trolling of some people in our channel that has made it pretty much impossible for me to join without raising entirely reasonable questions about my presence. "incidents" are shared and instantly there are other nicks joining to "back up" the other member, it's ridiculous and given that I can completely see why a channel ban was put into place.
Even if people get banned from CH for reasons that GlitchPC people don't understand, I haven't seen 1 of the CH reps go there and troll like a childish brat. Sorry for the name calling (I know it's low of me), but that's exactly what Mulreay was doing.
I agree completely. The only example I can find that is even close is from last year:
[16:09] * lostcoast ([email protected]) has joined #glitchpc
[16:09] <lostcoast> hi can I join the lusers club too?
[16:10] <lostcoast> u guys are pathetic but in a good way :P
I'm not counting when Guitar_man joined because he's been sorta disowned by #CH as well. I don't know how often "refugees" have returned to CH with a chip on their shoulder and done something similar to that above, but I know that the quoted part of the log was right after some similar trolling by Mulreay in the #ComputerHope channel.
I have no doubt that there is a pattern where the large majority of troublemakers are people who are also in the #GPC channel. This is probably because it's somehow become this stupid refugee channel for people that are banned from CH to build their rage and shift blame and then run back into CH when they are gracious enough to lift the ban as if they have been injusticed and start causing trouble. Now, to be fair, sometimes a "troublemaker" is making trouble but is entirely right; perhaps they corrected some detail, causing an ensuing argument.
But I don't think who is right about a detail is as important as whether the people getting helped actually receive help. Which arguee's aren't exactly focussing on anymore when they argue.
this post is probably going to be the exact opposite of what people like camerongray expected me to post when I said I was replying, but it's true. When I visited a few t imes I had some disagreements but I stuck around to help out some people when most other folks were unavailable. I did this to gain a bit of perspective because it's easy to just join a channel and start calling people racists*, but it's different when you actually go through some of the work they would do frequently by actually contributing. Camerongray does this also to be fair, since he helps (or rather ,helped, I suppose) frequently.
Fundamentally, GPC was originally started by ol' Steve (eg. GlitchPC). He faced some troubles and the registration on the channel was going out so we decided to have Jacky renew it. Long story short Steve was less than kind about that and we decided to distance ourselves from his website and efforts, and the fact that he banned every single one of us from his forum made that a bit easier.
Anyway after that it wasn't and isn't really a Computer Help Channel anymore As far as I'm concerned. It's just a Channel with a bunch of folks in it. The issue is that for some reason somebody has been inviting people that get banned on ComputerHope to chill there and all they can talk about is how bad CH is. Then they post topics here and go on about how they are being unfairly treated and ask people like me in the channel to post and I rip them apart and they act surprised, as if I was the one who said they should come to #GPC and start randomly badmouthing people in some other channel that they still insist on going to. (The thread PCDoc started was my favourite in this regard)
Speaking of that (the supposed racism), How many people can legitimately say that when they phone support and get a person with a thick Indian Accent they are completely open-minded and don't instantly sigh inwardly? Very few, I would imagine. I could probably look back through our own channel logs and find something far worse. (To be fair though I can understand people like PCDoc far better than I can understand a bloody thing that Guitar_man ever says... it's like decoding a cipher of word salad with him sometimes)
