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Beth_Ellen_Nagle

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Dual Boot: XP and W98
« on: October 24, 2005, 11:02:17 AM »
My system currently runs XP-Pro and W98.  I ran this setup before but wanted to install on a better hard drive.  This time around I am having a couple distinct problems I did not have last time.   :-/

For one I could not install my sound card drivers (Audigy2) as it said I did not have enough memory to run the program.  I have my W98 installed on a 10G partition with 7+G's currently available.

The second issue is that during installations when it calls for the W98 disk the installation fails to get the drivers.   apparently it is trying to read it from Drive D: whereas my CD-ROM is Drive E: I did manage to extract some files (SFC.EXE) for some problems but it sure makes installations a pain.  It never gives me the option of redirecting it to Drive E.   ???


Should I just re-install W98 and would that mess up my dual boot setup? I read somewhere that I would have to run fixmbr (or something like that) to make sure it permits me to boot XP at the beginning but not sure I understand how to do that.  I wonder if a clean re-install would be best.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Beth Ellen


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Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 11:04:44 AM »
I guess I should give my specs.  
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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 11:10:18 AM »
    98 should be installed first and make sure everything is working properly before installing XP.
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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2005, 11:16:54 AM »
    Thanks, yes, W98 is installed first and it would be wise to set the W98 first eh?  I don't recall doing that last time.  I think I installed both and set up both gradually.  ;D  Was it a miracle it worked?

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    Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2005, 12:11:52 PM »
    Hello Beth,

    How big was the old drive and how big is the new one?

    How have you partitioned the new drive?

    Beth_Ellen_Nagle

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 12:52:18 PM »
    My last boot setup was on a ATA100 60G and I currently have my setup on a Maxtor ATA133 40G partition by Partition Magic 8 to 30G for XP-Pro and 10G for W98.  I also have a secondary HD Seagate ATA100 200G for storage (programs/graphics/media and such).

    As far as I can remember I went through the same process and had no problems.  

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2005, 01:09:07 PM »
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    I currently have my setup on a Maxtor 40GB partition by Partition Magic 8 to 30GB for XP-Pro and 10G for W98.

    I also have a secondary HD Seagate 200GB for storage (programs/graphics/media and such).

    As far as I can remember I went through the same process and had no problems.


    So I guess that you have installed '98 on the 10 GB drive C: and XP Pro on the 30GB Logical (?) drive D: on the 40 GB drive and have the 200 GB drive as drive E:

    Was the old 60 GB drive a Western Digital?

    Beth_Ellen_Nagle

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2005, 01:17:37 PM »
    yes, W98 is installed at the beginning on 10G and XP on 30G.  My second drive is partition in half giving it partitions G and F and the CD drive is E.

    My last setup had perhaps even more letters when I had the 60G and a storage HD.   ;)

    My last drive was a Maxtor.

    You know..this should all work...it really should.   :-/

    Beth_Ellen_Nagle

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2005, 01:33:31 PM »
    I think reinstalling W98 wouldn't be a problem according to my research but I am just not sure about the difficulty of getting files of W98 when it is assuming the drive is D and not E.   That is what I have ta figger out!  :P

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    Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2005, 01:42:24 PM »
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    Yes, W98 is installed at the beginning on 10GB and XP on 30GB.  My second drive is partitioned in half giving it partitions and F: G: and the CD drive is E:.

    My last setup had perhaps even more letters when I had the 60GB and a storage HD.

    My last drive was a Maxtor.

    You know..this should all work...it really should.


    Should work all right...

    So C: is formatted to FAT32 for '98 and D: , F: & G: are formatted to NTFS. (?) Or is '98 trying to read all the FAT?

    I would go into Disk Mangement and change the CD-ROM drive letter to H: then change drive F: to letter E: and drive G: to F: and end by changing the CD-ROM drive to G: the way I have it.

    (G: is actually one of these new-fangled Lightscribe DVD burners and I also have a CD-RW on H: plus four virtual DVD drives which I don't know how to use as yet. ???)  

    Beth Ellen Nagle

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2005, 02:33:59 PM »
    I did make XP-PRO NTFS and on my second drive I have half NTFS and half FAT32 because the FAT32 will share media between between both OS.  I am installing heavey duty programs on the first half of my secondary drive.  Is this a problem?

    I believe I just deepened my problem.  I tried mapping my drives using Partion Magic 8 and now I can't get into XP.  I get to the login and loads my settings and then logs me off.  Heh...this is getting fun.  I am sure there is a solution.  :D

    If I resolve this, how do I get into Disk Management?  I wish I read your post before I ventured into mapping.  ;D

    Thanks for your time

    Beth_Ellen_Nagle

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2005, 03:08:37 PM »
    Your setup sounds complicated!  ;)

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    « Last Edit: October 24, 2005, 03:28:49 PM by merlin_2 »

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    Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2005, 05:08:37 AM »
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    I did make XP-PRO NTFS, and on my second drive I have half NTFS and half FAT32 because the FAT32 will share media between between both OS.  I am installing heavy duty programs on the first half of my secondary drive.  Is this a problem?

    I believe I just deepened my problem.  I tried mapping my drives using Partion Magic 8 and now I can't get into XP.

    I get to the login and loads my settings and then logs me off.  Heh...this is getting fun.  I am sure there is a solution.  :D

    If I resolve this, how do I get into Disk Management?  I wish I read your post before I ventured into mapping.

    Thanks for your time


    Well, this is how I see it...

    I guess that you used fdisk out of habit. When you are using XP it would be better to carefully predetermine the partition size requirements and format using - only - the XP CD.

    (My preference is to never dual-boot different operating systems on the same computer, btw, especially when it is possible to upgrade and old '98 computer's motherboard, drive and monitor.)

    When the drive has been prepared using the XP CD, you can format the primary C: drive to FAT32 ready for '98 and then stop the XP install and install '98 on C: to get the computer running.

    Back to the XP install, but this time installing on D: and formatting to NTFS. (Pity that the XP CD doesn't allow for a '98 install before going ahead and installing XP.)

    With drives over 32 GB XP won't allow you to format to FAT32 so I would consider this suggestion.

    200 GB gives 186.26 GB of binary space which is 190734 MB

    Three 32 GB FAT32 partitions is 98304 MB which leaves 98304 MB or 90.26 GB

    That would give you a 90.26 GB partition which can be formatted to NTFS and three 32 GB partitions where you can choose FAT32 or NTFS and change if you need to.

    There are a number of commands which can be run from the Recovery Console, - fixboot - is one - fixmbr - if you need to and - bootcfg /rebuild - , etc. It is always a good idea to install the Recovery Console on the hard-drive.

    Partition Magic. Hmmm. I use TeraByte Unlimited's BootIT NG which has a Partition Resizer, is very fast, and I think better than PM, which tries to do too much, in my opinion, and I have to admit, limited experience, never having used it myself.

    I don't convert volumes unless I really have to, preferring to delete and re-format.

    After using PM it might be best if I leave you to make the decisions, as I have read too many horror stories of PM going wrong.

    E.G. I only resize with BootIT NG where there is a single primary and then only after uninstalling any anti-virus program so as to ensure that nothing is running during re-sizing. BootIT NG's resizer runs of a bootdisk rather than from the Windows UI.

    I do use TeraByte Unlimited's Image for Windows, whichruns from the desktop, but the restore is also done from a bootdisk (on the C: (boot) drive) using Image for DOS.

    With the boot manager that's four programs for US$60, I seem to remember.

    Beth Ellen

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #14 on: October 25, 2005, 05:29:59 AM »
    Thank you for all the pointers.  I am going to get a fresh start on this.  

    I wanted to mention that the reason I need W98 is because I have a graphics tablet that won't work on XP. I can't buy a new one right now.  It has all worked before and I hope I can get it running again.  Once I can upgrade the graphics tablet I am soooo DONE with W98.  ::)


    Thanks again,
    Beth

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    Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 10:54:07 AM »
    What is the name of the Graphics Tablet? Maybe there is a substitute...

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2005, 12:00:43 PM »
    Sorry, I didn't see this question.

    It is a Media Forte e-pen *serial* tablet and I can't get it to work in XP. They have drivers for their usb tablets and one for XP.  At one point I thought if I could convert to USB I could find a way around the problem but it didn't work.  I even tried a W2000 driver. lol.  Should a converstion to USB have worked?  I don't know and perhaps I didn't do it right.

    This tablet is not fancy but it writes very smoothly and I had a larger Aiptek tablet but it wasn't near as smooth.

    Well, in case anyone is interested in an update:  ;)  What I discovered was our W98 disk is damaged, I guess enough to not read properly.  I made a copy at 10x speed and a test intall and when I installed the driver my my network card it grabbed the needed files of the W98 disk without a hitch.  Good news!  It was a bad disk!  I will test it more especially as I had terrible problems getting the sound card installed.

    I am going to take my time with this setup but I think the most crucial problem is solved.  

    But if anyone has any ideas on how to get this graphics tablet to work...I won't have to deal with W98 at all.  ::)

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    Re: Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2005, 12:25:05 PM »
    ps...I didn't know XP doesn't format large drives to FAT32.  I thought I had done that before!

    Format Queen   :)

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    Dual Boot: XP and W98
    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2005, 02:39:12 PM »
    I find that gentle washing of the CD in luke warm water with two drops of mild soap solution and a soft sponge often works wonders on CDs which produce read errors. Copying to good quality CDRs is only sensible to safeguard the original, and it seems that data on CDs is prone to fading over time anyway.

    XP won't format drives larger than 32 GB, at least not within Windows, but it will mount FAT32 drives larger than 32 GB if formatted by another operating system and can read & write to them.

    Can't help on the Tablet, sorry.

    I haven't tried it but it may be possible to format drives larger than 32 GB using the format command from the Recovery Console.