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    I need to upgrade from Windows XP
    « on: July 09, 2015, 08:46:30 PM »
    Hello,
    I am one of those people that still have Win XP & I know that in order to do some applications and programs that I am going to have to upgrade to the newest browser.  I am using IE 8 & I can't upgrade to IE 10 until I get rid of XP & get something more updated.  When I purchased this latest pc, XP was already installed in it.  Prior to that, the only time I installed something was from Win 98 to Win ME. 
    According to Microsoft, it looks like Win 8 or 8.1 might be good choices.  I used the Windows 8 Upgrade *censored*'t to see what it would pull up in regard to my computer.  It said: 1) Install an app to play dvds. 2)Secure Boot isn't compatible with my pc. (don't know what Secure Boot is!) 3)  your screen resolution is not compatible with snap 4) Microsoft Word 2000 is not compatible with Win 8.
    5) Nero Burning Rom is not compatible with Win 8. 6)Microsoft.NET Framework 1.1 will need to be reinstalled (I'm not sure what that is) 7) PowerDVD 6 go to website for help. 8) Realtek HD Audio Sound Effect Manager, go to website for help. 9) Update IE 8. 10) Windows Messenger 5.1, go to website for help ( never used that thing anyhow) 11
    ) HP Laserjet P1505, no comment
    Can any of you comment on Window 8 or 8.1 & tell me your thoughts, pros/cons?  Does Win 8 or 8.1 look like good choices?  I guess Win 8.1 might be better than Win 8.  I'm just guessing.  If any of you have installed this software, how difficult is it.  I pulled up the instructions from MS on how to do this so that I would get some idea of what I would be up against.  If any of you have any advice or input, I'd be interested in hearing from you.  Thank You in advance.   :-\
    CyberPower (custom built)
    Hard drive  250G
    RAM 1,024.00
    WinXP home
    2.66 hertz
    pentium 4

    IE explorer8
    Avail memory 449.27 mb
    total virtual memory 2 gb
    total physical memory 1,024 mb

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    Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 09:16:01 PM »
    IMHO,  You don't have to.
    I use both Windows XP and Windows 8.1 and my objective is ti meet my own needs first and not those of Microsoft.
    So far I have only one third-party application that requires Windows 8.1 and does not run on Windows XP.  Otherwise, everything else I have works fine on XP.
    My old Dell Optiplex can not run  64 bit Windows 8.1 and I have to use the 32 bit version. Not a problem, nothing  I use needs A lot of memory anyway.

    My point is this. You do not have to change if you don't really need it. Lots of freeware programs work very well on Windows XP.


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    Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2015, 08:00:50 AM »
    Unfortunately that machine is far too old to be worth upgrading.  At the very minimum it would need more RAM and even then the CPU is going to be too slow for it to run well.  Not to mention that the cost of a Windows 8 upgrade is going to fall well above how much the machine is actually worth.

    At this point I'd be looking to replace the machine with something new (if you can afford it) or possibly a used machine with Windows 7 or 8.  You could easily get a much more powerful used Windows 7 machine for not less than it would cost to upgrade the OS on your current machine.  Also bear in mind that a Windows 7 machine should still get that free upgrade to Windows 10 from Microsoft when it comes out.

    For example - A professionally refurbished machine running Windows 7 can be easily found for under $100 (stick to the professional companies so you don't end up buying one with a pirated OS).  To upgrade your current machine to Windows 8 would also cost $100 just for the software however the new machine would be much more powerful and run the OS much better than your current one ever could.

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    Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2015, 10:44:10 AM »
    camerongray,
    Point well made.  :)
    Yes, very good used machines with windows 7 for just a little more than  the cost of a new Windows 8 license. And free upgrade to Windows 10 very soon.


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    Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2015, 11:36:10 AM »
    Other option is installing Linux OS to that Pentium 4 for free, however you would be cutting ties with 99% of the Windows based applications and while Wine works ok in some situations to run software for Windows under Linux, it fails in other areas.

    I have a Pentium 4 2.4Ghz with 1GB RAM running Linux Mint 17.1 KDE and it runs it fine on a 40GB IDE HDD. Paired with an ok video card such as a GeForce 6200 AGP 8x with 256MB VRam, I am able to play videos on youtube with no problems, and the OS is very secure. For microsoft office needs I use Libra Office which is free and it can open and edit and save files in microsoft formats for others with MS Office to be able to open etc.

    If you didnt want to spend any money but wanted to have both Windows XP and Linux so that you could run XP for older applications or newer applications that support XP and Pentium 4 CPU, you could also always go with the Dual Boot Installation path. To do this though its best to perform a clean install of Windows XP and leave a portion of the Hard Drive such as 20GB Free when making the initial partition for XP. Then install XP first, and then install Linux OS of choice such as Mint 17.1 second and chose the dual boot installation option. This will install a boot manager so that at boot you would have a choice of Windows XP or Linux OS The Linux install would create partitions in the 20GB space. You could continue to then use this older computer securely when on the Linux OS, and for legacy support with software and games on XP for mostly offline use.

    Just as others stated here a refurb system that is more powerful than what you have can be acquired very inexpensively. I just wanted to through this info out there about Linux in case you dont want to spend any money but still want to use this system instead.

    Others who have a certain level of dedication to older hardware have also upgraded to Vista from XP instead of buying 7 or 8/8.1. I was able to get a unopened oem Vista Disc with COA for $35 off ebay, and your system would be covered until 4/11/2017 for security patches etc from Microsoft. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

    Lastly while putting any money into this system is by many a waste, I have been known myself to buy cheap upgrades for systems like this on ebay in which you could get a better CPU for it for less than $20. If your motherboard supported the HT Pentium 4, you might be able to stuff one of those in there for less than $20 and get better performance. However the performance gain is by far not anything like a new computer, and a $100 refurb with Windows 7 and a Core 2 Duo CPU for example would be way more powerful than a Pentium 4 HT CPU. I have bought these HT CPU's though to max out old systems cheaply, while the HT CPU might have cost someone a mint back in the day, they are in low demand and the price tag of $9.99 for my last one with free shipping for a Pentium 4 HT 3.00Ghz socket 478 for desktop not mobile CPU reflects that. The HT (Prescott) CPU has like 125 million transistors and a virtual core that acts like a dual-core to Windows even though not a true dual-core, but better than a similar aged single core. Your 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 (Northwood) has 55 million transistors and only a single core without HT. Performance wise with Windows XP the 3.0Ghz HT will handle multimedia better and load applications faster than the 2.66Ghz as for the HT CPU has SSE3 instruction support while the 2.66Ghz is without SSE3 and only has up to SSE2 instruction support as well. If deciding to go this route for a cheap upgrade just make sure the CPU is not a mobile CPU and is a desktop version is socket 478 and be sure to get socket 478 or socket 775. I am thinking your system is probably socket 478 with the 2.66Ghz.

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      Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
      « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2015, 10:04:53 PM »
      Thanks to all 4 of you that responded!  I'm probably going to get rid of XP and replace it with Win 8.1.  I purchased this used laptop with intentions of trying out Linux later on.  If I go ahead and replace what I have with MS Win 8.1, it will probably be the last MS browser I will purchase if the Linux works out well with the laptop.  I wished I had the money to go ahead and purchase a new machine;however, it would be cheaper to  go ahead as I outlined above.  I can upgrade the pc a little more by having more memory installed later on. The guy that occasionally takes care of my pc can probably advise me as to what I can upgrade.  Thanks for your thoughts on this matter.

      Lisa :( :(

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      Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
      « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 11:20:56 AM »
      What spec is this laptop?  Or is that what you listed in your initial post?

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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2015, 09:47:52 PM »
        My  laptop is a Dell Latitude d610.  It probably has a lot of miles on it. When I bought it Win XP pro was on it.  My thought was to try out Linux on this laptop & later on see if I like it.

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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 10:25:08 PM »
        Just one more thing...
        The US Navy is still using Windows XP
        Read this:
        Beyond the Grave: Windows XP
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        Microsoft canned support for Windows XP and Office and Exchange 2003 in April 2014 - unless you are the U.S. Navy, which is paying $9.1m a year until 2017 to obtain security patches for these obsoleted products
        Blow the man down!  ;D

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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #9 on: July 16, 2015, 01:40:06 AM »
        The key thing there being that the US navy still pays for security updates to XP, not something the average consumer still using it will get...

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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #10 on: July 16, 2015, 05:09:20 PM »
        I don't feel that the updates for XP are that important. I haven't seen any increased infections of XP since the support has stopped. I run XP on my dual-boot computer and never get infected, knocks on wood. In fact, infections have fallen off over the last two years. I can only attribute that to the fact that users are becoming more knowledgeable, the security companies have become much better at designing their programs or maybe users are just not coming to the help forums to have their computers cleaned. I prefer to think it is a combination of the first two reasons.
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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #11 on: July 16, 2015, 05:21:37 PM »
        I have had Zero...on my XP rig that runs 24 / 7...
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        Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
        « Reply #12 on: July 16, 2015, 05:22:31 PM »
        So if MS hustled the military outta some cabbage ...well then  God Bless capatilism...
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          Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
          « Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 09:55:13 AM »
          Just a note to point out that with any computer which can boot from USB first (see BIOS setup), you can install Linux on a flash/thumb/pen drive and run a Linux system from that - i.e. no need to involve your HD + your system is portable and you can take it around with you to run on other PCs (unlike XP)
          This is ideal for trying out Linux. 
          For a less flexible version, you can also install and run Linux from a CD/DVD though any files you need to create including temporary ones need to be saved to the HD

          (Please correct if anything in this post is erroneous)

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          Re: I need to upgrade from Windows XP
          « Reply #14 on: July 18, 2015, 10:09:12 PM »
          Here is a list of Linux versions that can boot from a USB flash drive.
          Live Linux CD repository list
          Knoppix was among the first.
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          In the following Knoppix 6.0 (Micro Knoppix) Linux USB installation tutorial, we show you how to Install Knoppix 6.0 Adriane on a USB flash drive using the built in "Flash-Knoppix" installer on the Live CD. Knoppix 6.0 Adriane (Audio Desktop Reference Implementation And Networking Environment) v1.1 was released 01/28/2009 by Klaus Knopper and has been completely rebuilt from scratch to be based on the Debian Lenny Kernel.
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