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« on: October 07, 2015, 09:26:24 PM »
My Acer AME600 i5 became cost wise un-repairable so I purchased a used Dell Vostro - Win 7 Extreme Edition R1. I took the HD out of the i5 and placed it into the Dell. I would like to clone the original HD to the one that I installed. I've really had very little experience with this. Some help would be great. Firstly I'd like to format what I'll call (Disk 1) . The original is marked (Disk 0).
I've gone into Disk Management and Unallocated one partition of disk 1 ( the disk has 6 partitions)and created a New Volume (F:)in another.
The partition marked (F:) gives me the option to Format. The Unallocated has option New Simple Volume. The other 4 gives only "Help". What I'm wondering is; if I format (F:) will that leave me with only one partition or what to do??
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 04:11:38 PM »
Got this figured out(well not completely) but was able to format the second drive and did a complete copy (using Macrium Reflect) from the first. What I'm having trouble with now is finding the (mring) file. After the complete copy I disconnected the original drive and connected the copied drive. With the MR boot disk inserted it loaded and took me to a MR install page but it's looking for a "mring" file, which I cannot find.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 04:48:23 PM »
Dictation.

It is not clear what you have done so far. Let's start out with what is normally done when one buys a new computer and wishes to save his old data. Then you can respond as to whether not that describes the procedure you used.

After purchase of a new computer, the user should minimize any invasive things he does to the new computer. This helps preserve the warranty. If something should go wrong with the computer during the warranty period or free service., The user will have to swear that he didn't do anything to the computer to make it behave abnormally.

So here is the procedure suggested by Microsoft and others to put onto a new computer.
Removes the disk drive from the old computer. Use an external device such as that USB enclosure and power supply to allow fields hard drive to be accessed via USB on the new machine.

On the new machine the user could either create a new partition or simply make a new folder to be used to store data material from the old hard drive.

There is a program from Microsoft that allowed to also transfer user settings as well as making copies of user files. However, most of the settings are probably not very important except perhaps bookmarks and favorites.
The is no effective way to France for programs from one computer to another. Despite the fact that some software houses claim they have such programs, these programs have a very high failure rate and are not worth the effort it takes to make them work. And that is not just my opinion.

Others have tried and found it very irritating that she just cannot transfer programs among computer to another.
So then, what is expected of you is to use your new computer as is, and simply copy over some of the data structures that you personally created on your old machine. As for your older programs, you'll have to install them a new from the original install disks. Some software companies will allow you to install the programs on a new computer with the understanding that you're not going to use the programs anymore on the old computer.

Otherwise, you would be required to buy new pressures of your old programs for use on your new computer.
But if you're trying to somehow transfer the entire disk from the old computer to the new computer, you can expect to have a lot of problems.

So then, with the above thoughts in mind, what sort of transfer of information did you intend? Did you intend to replace the operating system in the new computer with your old operating system?
No i recall I was successful for me only one time out of the many attempts that I tried it. And that was with older versions of Windows. Newer versions of Windows have their own rules about how to transfer programs and data from one to another.
As I understand it, you still cannot transfer copyrighted programs from one computer to another unless you have an explicit statement in the license that says you can do that. Check the EULA.

One company that I know of has a procedure where you must first install the program on Iraq online. This removes the registration from their user database. After that you install the program again on your new machine and use the same serial number to register your program. It will let you do that because you're previous registration of that same number has been deleted from their database. But if it had not been deleted, it will not let you do a fresh new install on a machine that is not the same as the original machine.

How many software companies follow that procedure I do not know. But Microsoft is one of the companies that does have a rather hard-nosed attitude about transferring programs from one computer to another.

N ow I hope this is been of some help to you. I do not know how to make it more concise and still get the point across. It is not easy to transfer an operating system and programs from one computer to another. Unless you have the original disks and you are sure the software companies involved will permit you to do just that.

Hope you get it gt it going right. :)

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 04:56:06 PM »
Where did you save the Macrium image to ? ?
It won't aLLOW you to save it to the drive/partition you are imaging so thats out...
It's likely on your external HDD...
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 11:20:04 PM »
Thanks Geek. I appreciate the info.that you provided and I'm sure that there will be a time when I need it. But,actually it's an older system that I'm working on and what I was trying to do here was to clone the original hard drive with (Win7) in this PC, to a secondary hard drive because I don't have a Win7 installation disk. Just wanted some security.


Thanks patio. Here's what I did.
I saved the image to a hard drive that I installed next to the original. I formatted the second drive (which was larger than the first)and did a disk copy from the original which they claim will copy everything . After it was copied I went to Disk Management and both drives were identical. I disconnected the original hard drive and booted up the PC. It appeared that they were looking for a boot disk so I installed the one that they had me burn. The PC started up fine and took me to a (MR) Macrium Reflect setup page with a bunch of options. That's where they asked for a mring file?

UPDATE: Well patio correct me if I'm wrong but I think now what I did was more like disk backup (or who knows) than cloning? After looking further into MR I realized after viewing a video on You Tube that the Free MR that I downloaded wasn't working properly. I downloaded MR again and now I can actually clone (I think). The previous download was missing a Wizard which is required for cloning in MR.  overthehill







             

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 01:45:58 PM »
Thks, Geek and patio. Got the drive cloned all is working fine. Just don't like the RED X's on those drives. The drives work fine but just wouldn't mind removing those X'S (which I have asked about in another post). overthehill


             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 04:43:06 PM »
I hate to break it to you but "Windows 7 Extreme Edition R1" is a pirated copy, this was never an official release.  Does the machine have a product key for Windows 7 on the case?  If it does then use this to reinstall a fresh copy, if it does not then I would be contacting the seller and demanding a refund as well as reporting the matter to Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/piracy/reporting/default.aspx

You also cannot clone a copy of Windows and expect it to run properly on a different machine, it may work but you'll run into issues.  You are much better off running a new install of Windows and then simply copy over the files that you want.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 05:44:36 PM »
I wasn't attempting to clone to a different machine. I wanted to clone to a second drive within the same machine. overthehill


             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 07:26:55 PM »
You want to put the content of the Vostro's disk onto the disk from your old machine?  Given that the Vostro's disk has a pirated copy of Windows that would be a bad idea. You should do a clean install onto the new disk using a genuine copy of Windows.

Even ignoring the fact that it is illegal, the version you are using has clearly been modified by some script kiddie into their own "Extreme Edition".  There is no telling what malware/security flaws they have introduced.  I'd be going back to the seller and asking why they sold you a machine with illegal software.

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 07:47:33 PM »
For general reference:
Windows lets you alter a folder link to another drive. So what seems to be a folder on the C: drive could really be on the D: drive. This can make backup easier if you only want to backup user files. It also makes for a short path to your stuff.
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Redirect a folder to a new location.
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You can change the location of the folders in your personal folder (such as My Documents and My Pictures) by redirecting them. For example, if you have a large number of files in your My Documents folder, you might want to store the files on a different hard drive or on a network to free up space on your primary hard drive.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 08:44:52 PM »
OK guys. Firstly what makes you think that I have a pirated copy? Apparently from what I've read not all Win 7 Extreme R.1 copies are pirated.

Secondly, I did not buy this from a dealer. I bought the system at a garage sale and I certainly did not check the version. Even if I had I would not have had any concerns. Professional,Ultra,Extreme etc.would have meant nothing to me. Never had win 7 before. I never thought about an illegal copy. Do you for a moment think that I would have mentioned Extreme if I had thought that there was any chance of illegalities?  Also,I found info. that stated that licenses were sold for Extreme R.1. That's what I'll go with. I'm not afraid of viruses etc. .If I encounter problems, I have it loaded on another drive. If that fails I'll load Vista.

Thirdly. Do you now expect me to destroy what's working perfectly because it may be pirated.? Don't think so. If I was wealthy I would have purchased a new system after my i5 gave out. This situation is certainly not what I intended or expected. I never would have bought this thing if I thought that there was the slightest chance of something illegal. That's not my style. overthehill






             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2015, 09:06:52 PM »
The only editions of Windows 7 ever sold by Microsoft are Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise.  Extreme is not a genuine copy and never has been despite what some dodgy websites claim.  Notice how there is no mention of it in any official Microsoft documentation.

Check the machine and see if it has a COA (sticker with product key) for any other version of Windows, it quite possibly does and this could be used to load a fully safe and genuine copy of Windows.  It'll be stuck somewhere on the outside of the case.

I'm not accusing you of knowingly buying a machine with a pirated OS, far from it, I'm just making you aware of the fact that your PC is running an OS that you really shouldn't be using.  This is the risk with buying a machine from a garage sale.  Microsoft also have a thing where if you report the piracy (I linked this site previously) they may send you a "get genuine" kit as a sort of "thank you" which would give you a fully licenced copy of Windows, worth a try if the machine doesn't have a COA.  Worst case you can pick up a genuine copy of Windows 10 for around $100.

Thirdly. Do you now expect me to destroy what's working perfectly because it may be pirated.?
It is pirated, no doubt about it.

In the end its up to you but I certainly wouldn't be using an OS that could be capturing my bank details or allowing attackers remote access behind my back! I can tell from the screenshot that it does not look like Windows 7 normally does meaning that someone has definitely fiddled with critical system files to change the style.

What is the service tag of this machine?  This will be on a sticker on the PC itself.  We can then look this up to see what version of Windows the machine has a licence for and can go from there.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2015, 09:11:54 PM »
Microsoft will purge pirate listings for search results.
You can test  Download Windows 7 Extreme Edition R1 suing Bing and find some 23,300,000 results.
My guess is that some of them have to be legit.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2015, 11:42:40 PM »
Camerongray and Geek.

Believe it or not.

I went to the link that Camerongray provided. There you can find out if the version of Windows that you are running is genuine or not. Please see attached.
Notice how they even offered me a complimentary subscription to Microsoft Security Essentials.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2015, 02:42:16 AM »
Notice how they even offered me a complimentary subscription to Microsoft Security Essentials.
It sounds like you have a fake Windows edition (the unofficial Windows 7 Extreme Edition) that has been doctored to fool the Microsoft activation servers into thinking that your edition is validly licensed. These are often found on machines bought from unscrupulous resellers (i.e. scammers) on eBay or elsewhere offering machines at a temptingly low price. You will probably find in a short while that it no longer works, and instead of free offers you start getting warning messages and then if you don't buy a valid license, a forced shutdown every 2 hours.


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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2015, 06:25:25 AM »
As Salmon Trout says, it has been hacked to fool the Microsoft Activation servers, as pretty much all pirated copies are.  If it wasn't hacked in this way it would refuse to work properly again.  I've seen countless machines running pirated OSs, almost all of these have appeared as "genuine" to Microsoft's tools - In fact, I've seen Windows complaining about not being genuine most often on machines where it is in fact genuine and Microsoft's tools have claimed it to be not genuine in error.

This should not be this hard to understand, Microsoft have never released a version of Windows called "Extreme Edition R1" - If Microsoft never released it, it's not genuine, end of story.

It's simple, if you cannot find an edition for Windows for sale on a reputable retailer, it is not available for retail sale from Microsoft therefore it is not going to be genuine.

Care to explain why "Extreme Edition R1" does not appear in Microsoft's official version comparison chart? http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/business/windows-version-comparison-chart.aspx

I am trying to help you here.  Again, does the machine have a COA sticker anywhere on it for a copy of Windows?  What is the Dell Service Tag for this machine?

Microsoft will purge pirate listings for search results.
You can test  Download Windows 7 Extreme Edition R1 suing Bing and find some 23,300,000 results.
My guess is that some of them have to be legit.
1) No they won't, that is a stupidly big task
2) Lots of search results does not mean that it's legal, go and find a genuine copy of it for sale in a reputable store...

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2015, 09:00:04 AM »
Thanks again guys.

Camerongrays statement.
"I am trying to help you here.  Again, does the machine have a COA sticker anywhere on it for a copy of Windows?  What is the Dell Service Tag for this machine?"

All that is on the case is a tag for Win XP PC and also a tag that says Intel Core 2 Duo. All I really have is a Windows Product Number.

So now I should go to Microsoft and attempt to convince them that I have a pirated copy that they say is legal? ::)  Perhaps you would have known this but Microsoft even setup an icon on my desktop (Widows Activation Technologies) for me to check the activation periodically.

If,and I say if, this is a pirated copy, perhaps it's a better version that Microsoft could ever build. From what you are saying, the pirates are smarter than Microsoft.

Salmon Trout said:
You will probably find in a short while that it no longer works, and instead of free offers you start getting warning messages and then if you don't buy a valid license, a forced shutdown every 2 hours.

I think that I will wait for this to happen. Until I'm totally convinced that what I have is illegal, I'm not going to argue with Microsoft.

BTW This system runs ever bit a good as my i5 system did. And with this system I was able to load my legal copy of Office 2000. overthehill


             

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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2015, 09:17:47 AM »
Ccamerongray, you make some good points. Still, I respectfully disagree.
Overhell says he bought the product believing it was legal. I have no resewn to think that he would knowingly but a prate product. But I can believe that a big company will do anything to promotes its own interests. I think MS puts mud in  the water to cause confusion and intimidate end-users.

My position has been that Microsoft has been long misleading us all with their strange set of rules that benefit them and snot the end-user. IMO, Microsoft has tolerated piracy to gain more market share for  a proprietary product. After you have been using the bogus  version, they then tell you they just found out it was operated and you have to pay for it. How do we know that MS was not promoting piracy to assertive its software?

The technology to stop pirate circulation existed back in 1995 when MS released Windows 95. Yet MS pretended it was hard to catch the pirates or to stop them from making bogus copies. Many companies did have tools that stopped the pirates cold.  But MS looked away as it such technology did not exist.

An yes, somebody complains to Google to remove some of the listings. Also, eBay has placed some warnings about pirate software. Of course, eBay, like other huge companies, wants to protect themselves and maintain a market position.

If you are a legal owner of a MS product and you wish to sell it, you will find resistance. I have had my listings pulled off of eBay because MS, or somebody who represents them, complained. Common law is that you can sell anything that you buy it is is a tangible article. It is also common  that  you can not counterfeit something and sell it. something.

Or to put it another way, I shed no teases for Microsoft.

Overhll, if you are still there, go ahead and use the Microsoft product. If it is not legit it is the responsibility of MS to interrogative the issue. They have resources far beyond what we individual users have.   :)

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2015, 09:21:35 AM »
I'd give it an 80% chance that MS would rectify it and issue a new liscense for legit Win7...

They don't want this stuff out there either...and they aren't the ogres people make them out to be...

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2015, 11:56:05 AM »
Thks.patio

How am I going to take that chance(80%) when they tell me that what I have is legit. Like I mentioned earlier, am I supposed to fight with them? How would I go about convincing them that my copy may be illegal?. I went to their site. I asked the question. I got a positive response. Now whether or not it was actually Microsoft that gave me that response, who knows and how can I prove it?. Ask Microsoft? After all, I did go to the Microsoft site. I didn't go anywhere else looking for the answer that I wanted.
If "Blackbeard" is hacking the Microsoft sites maybe we have bigger problems?

At this point it would be much easier for me to go out and buy a (for sure) legal Win 7 version. But,right now I'm not prepared to do that. overthehill


             

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2015, 01:21:05 PM »
It's also a bad sign that this machine has a Core 2 Duo sticker on it - If it does indeed have an i7 then it is not a Dell Vostro and is instead some random PC someone has cobbled together into a Dell case.  This is why you should really do research into these things before you buy them.

1) It is not a genuine copy,no ifs no buts, it's not
2) It is not better than anything Microsoft could have made - Microsoft employ the best software engineers they can, that "Extreme Edition" was likely made by some kid who watched a few YouTube videos on how to modify a copy of Windows.
3) In the end, you are still running an illegal copy of Windows, I doubt you're going to get support from us for it...

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2015, 03:47:47 PM »
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You will probably find in a short while that it no longer works, and instead of free offers you start getting warning messages and then if you don't buy a valid license, a forced shutdown every 2 hours.

I think that I will wait for this to happen. Until I'm totally convinced that what I have is illegal, I'm not going to argue with Microsoft.

Every so often Microsoft includes code in a Windows update which sniffs out fake activations and nukes them. Next boot... "Your copy of Windows is not genuine".

You should be convinced. Windows 7 Extreme... Typical story...

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I've got a Lenovo Thinkpad recently acquired from Ebay. The Seller has installed some crap called ' Windows 7 Extreme Edition R1'.
When I run slmgr /dlv it tells me its kosher Windows R(7), OEM_SLP channel - but
the OS properties and splash screen tell me its Windows Extreme Edition R1. ( 32 bit of course)
Windows Genuine Advantage software does not see this as a fake; so I'm guessing the boot sector\MBR is seriously modified at install. MSE doesn't detect anything either.
Has anyone got any more info on this fakery before I send PayPal after the seller with baseball bat ?

Anyhow, don't take our word for it. If you are so sure that what you have is genuine and legal, you can prove it like this:

1. Audit the installed product Key with Belarc Advisor,

2. Clean reinstall an official copy of OS using an ISO from here:

http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-7-iso-official-32-bit-and-64-bit-direct-download-links/

3. Try to activate it with the key which Belarc found.

If it won't activate then it is a bootleg version. You'll need to buy another key

The big worry to me would not be the legal license status, although of course that is important. More serious is the fact that a fake Windows install could (would!) have any number of trojans, back doors, malware infected files, etc, and crippled antivirus apps. Still, it appears you know best. Welcome to a botnet, most likely.





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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2015, 05:30:53 PM »
For what it is worth.
Yes, there  has been a lot pf pirated Windows 7 copies sold by third parties.
However, many legal owners of Windows 7 were told they had a fake copy
Reported last year., but still pops up. Source is InfoWorld.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2859267/operating-systems/windows-7-hit-by-rash-of-bogus-not-genuine-reports-validation-code-0x8004fe21.html
Windows 7 hit by rash of bogus 'not genuine' reports, validation code 0x8004FE21

BTW: I am legal, after a number of attempts. :-\

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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2015, 11:17:30 PM »
OK Folks, here's the latest. I upgraded Win 7 Extreme to Win 10 Pro. Am I legal ? overthehill


             

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2015, 05:28:51 AM »
No, you still do not have a licence for Windows 7 which is a prerequisite for getting the free upgrade to Windows 10.

You need to either try and get get a refund for the machine (what I would do) or purchase a new copy of Windows from a repuatable retailer such as Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416892&cm_re=windows_10-_-32-416-892-_-Product

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2015, 08:31:31 AM »
"No, you still do not have a licence for Windows 7 which is a prerequisite for getting the free upgrade to Windows 10."

It is not and was not a prerequisite for the upgrade. Microsoft disagrees. Was this the work of a hacker too?? Win 7 no longer exists. Why in the world would I want a license for something I don't have? Would you license your old vehicle after trading it in for a new one. I for one certainly would not. Win 10 Pro is now my OS and it appears to be working just fine. Win 7?. Never heard of it. overthehill


             

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2015, 08:48:48 AM »
Talk in person to an Activation receptionist and they will get you fixed up...

Just explain the circumstances...and what you have been told here...
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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2015, 10:33:36 AM »
Thanks patio.
I took your advice and called Microsoft Canada . I explained the situation fully. I explained that I had purchased a PC (at a garage sale) that had Win 7 Extreme Edition R.1 as the OS. I only found out from a computer group "of which i'm a member" that possibly,probably, for sure, this was a pirated copy. (Microsoft could not or would not confirm the legitimacy of "Extreme ") I also explained that I upgraded to Win 10 Pro from Win 7 Extreme. I was told if Win 10 downloaded without errors and if it is working properly, "you're good to go". If Win 7 is gone, use your Win 10 and have a good day.

I spoke to Ann at 10:54 A.M. Central Time. overthehill


             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2015, 03:37:12 PM »
So, you now have Windows 10.
Simple solution is to stick with Windows 10.
But if you need Windows 7 for an experiment, you can install it on a separate partition and use it for 30 days.
To paraphrase Lincoln:
You can have Windows 7 some of the time...
You can have Windows 10 some of the time...
But not have both all of the time.
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Unless you hate another key for Windows 7. (Which I do.)  :)


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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2015, 03:51:45 PM »
The point overthehill is missing is that when you install a Windows 10 upgrade to Windows 7, the Windows 7 license, product key etc is read and used by the Windows 10 installer. You don't get a new key. If you upgrade a bootleg Windows 7 or 8 then you will have a bootleg Windows 10 and one day a Windows Update is going to pull the rug out from under your feet.

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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2015, 04:54:15 PM »
"The point overthehill is missing ". I don't feel that I'm missing anything.  Rightly or wrongly I felt that what patio was indicating to me was that whatever Microsoft would tell me (after speaking in person) would be a deciding factor. That's what I believed and still believe. I got an answer from someone that supposedly knows what they're are talking about. As long as this Win 10 is running OK I suppose that I'll just wait for that rug. But,I won't be holding my breath.

And who's to say, perhaps the Win key that I have is from a previous pirated version of Win XP.or ?. Then what? .overthehill


             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2015, 05:51:09 PM »
I don't feel that I'm missing anything.
You have been told the copy of Windows 7 you had is not genuine. I don't think anybody was necessarily suggesting a course of action, but rather it was meant to inform. You can continue to believe whatever you prefer. Just remember that since we know it is a pirated install, technically it violates forum rules to provide any assistance at all.

Some interesting information about the pirated Windows 7 "Extreme Edition"; it was created  around ~2009, and the site can be found with a google search. The fellow selling it uses a yahoo E-mail and sells his pirate software as well as Volume License keys and Activation hacks from that website. Some portions of the site was DMCA'd by Microsoft, meaning many of the links have to go to web.archive.org. I find it hard to even contrive a scenario where it is above-board.

Now, that said, the main concern, IMO, with that version was less it's legal status (outside of course forum liability), and rather that those sorts of pirated installations tend to leave lots of fun goodies such as Remote-Access Trojans, botnets, etc.

You've upgraded to Windows 10 now, which has a good chance of resolving some of those concerns with regards to malware. It is impossible to be certain, though, which is itself a concern. Most software can "survive" an upgrade- the entire upgrade process tries to preserve it, after all.

It appears that you are taking the approach of "If it let's me do it, it is totally legal". The Windows 10 Upgrade requires a legitimate copy of Windows 7, 8, or 8.1. You did not start with a legitimate copy of Windows 7. The Windows 10 upgrade was tricked by the pirated install in the same fashion as the online tool that you posted as 'evidence' that it was genuine.

You spoke to a MS representative of some description. Explained it, and they basically said it was fine. I get the feeling that when it inevitably is not fine they won't be around to clean up the mess, and the story with any representative will suddenly be different, and they will not believe you when you say "The last person I spoke to said it was fine".

Now whether you want to be concerned about the legal status is up to you. Whether you want to care that your system is probably harbouring any number of low-level remote access trojans that Windows has been modified to never reveal to software such as MBAM is your prerogative as well. If you want to continue to use a copy of Windows 10 upgraded illegitimately through the upgrade process by upgrading a demonstrably illegitimate copy of Windows 7 which may be harbouring innumerable pieces of malware, and for which the illegitimate volume license key used for the pirated Windows 7 installation may be discovered and blacklisted by Microsoft, causing your Windows 10 copy to realize it is illegitimate is, also, up to you.

If in the future you need to create a thread titled "Windows 10 claims it is non-genuine" or something similar, just remember that "I told you so" is not against forum rules.  :P
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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2015, 12:00:05 PM »
The Vostro and OSís associated with this PC are no longer in my possession.

This decision came largely because of this thread. But, the knock out punch came from much closer to home. Quote. ďIf this latest computer is causing all this concern and if you will always be worried because it may give you unnecessary problems, Get Rid Of It !!. How many computers do you need?Ē Unquote.

The PC and the downloaded Win 10 (from Win 7 Extreme) and everything associated with the Vostro are now in the hands of a PC tech. I called him and he wanted to see the PC. He was impressed with how well that system ran. I informed him of the issues associated with this system. Now he can deal with it. Because,I got my money back. And no, heís not a CH member :).

This is a quote from Geek :"Overthehill swear on a three potato chips and I will believe you.
If you lie, the potato chips will make you choke".
  Geek, I will not choke. I promise.

I have to admit that this thread was a little stressful and I suppose that I was a little stubborn but I came to CH to learn and this is another one of those learning experiences.

So now Iím back to ďVistaĒ desktop (which Iím now using) and not concerned with piracy on this PC or my others. None of which has Win 7 or Win 10 by the way. And, the next PC that I purchase will not be at a garage sale unless itís for parts other than OSís. Like I mentioned a few times I never even gave the version of the OS a glance when I bought that thing. Now I know better.

Thanks to all. I wouldn't feel good if I didn't fit in at CH. overthehill

P.S. For what it's worth. My experience with Win 10 was very limited but I'm not going to upgrade my laptop from Win 8.1 anytime soon. Personally from my limited experience I wasn't that impressed. Perhaps it's what you are accustomed to ?.



             

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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2015, 02:01:57 PM »
That's great, you did the right thing!

Next time, if you are looking at a new PC, feel free to post on here with all details of it and we can take a look before you buy it.

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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2015, 02:19:07 PM »
Let's keep in mind he's not the bad guy in all of this...
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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2015, 02:53:57 PM »
Great, This is good news. As I mentioned my own main concern would be that I wouldn't be able to trust the system. Any legal consideration I leave to forum rules for the most part. Especially as it was not willful.

P.S. For what it's worth. My experience with Win 10 was very limited but I'm not going to upgrade my laptop from Win 8.1 anytime soon. Personally from my limited experience I wasn't that impressed. Perhaps it's what you are accustomed to ?.

Oh man you don't want to get me started. If you are running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and have no intention of upgrading to Windows 10, I'd suggest getting rid of the 'KB3035583' Update. It should be listed in "Installed Updates" and my personal suggestion would be to hide it. Me and Patio, as I recall, butted heads about this one. I said it was fine, Patio said it was disgusting. Whatever it was then, it's certainly unethical (IMO) now. Now that Windows 10 is released, this update is forcibly downloading 6GB of data onto any and all systems it is installed on. I went over my ISP Data cap in August because the 5 computers I have that run Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 All downloaded 6GB- despite me saying "No thanks" to the upgrade. A few days ago, Microsoft re-issued these updates again, causing them to show up once more on systems (such as mine) that had been configured to not show or install the updates.

I've actually come to think less charitably towards Microsoft as a result, actually. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 10 is merely a stepping stone to a new, subscription-based Windows. No need to advertise or promote it if all Windows 10 systems will accept and automatically download anything Microsoft wants.
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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2015, 04:42:29 PM »
Thanks Everyone. Like I mentioned, it's been a lesson.
And, BC, when I get back on my laptop I'll deal with  'KB3035583' .overthehill


             

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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2015, 12:37:58 PM »
In regards to (kb3035583) I wanted to hide the file like was suggested. But the only options that I can find for this file are; if I go to View Update History all I can do here is View or Copy Details. If I go to Installed Updates there I can delete the file. At this point I'm not shown any available updates for download all I'm shown is updates are ready to be installed(nothing listed). So the only option that I'm given is to restart the PC.
So my question is; how do I hide the file and if I delete it can I ever get it back if needed? Thanks. overthehill


             

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Re: Cloning Win 7
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2015, 02:23:16 AM »
You might need to have updates set to "Check for updates but let me choose when to download and install them" or "Check for and download updates, but let me choose when to install them", rather than automatic.

I have it set to one of those options on all my systems and as I recall I removes it by using the Installed Updates list and choosing "Uninstall" on the right-click menu for the update, then used Windows Update to check for updates again and found it in the list of "Important" updates and selected "Hide Update" from it's right click menu there.
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2015, 08:26:53 AM »
Thanks BC. Yea. I Googled the "hide" option and they showed actual files that could be downloaded for their demonstration. At this point I don't have that option. I'll download what I have and wait for further downloads to appear. I did set the options so that I can choose when to download.  With your info. I'm sure I'll find the solution. Thks. overthehill