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    Workgroup and Domain Setup
    « on: December 08, 2015, 05:24:56 AM »
    We have a Server in place, for my small business and the Server is another room while the other clients is in a different one.

     Room A, has internet connection access while Room B, has the Server.  I have a cable that runs from Room A CentryLink PK5001Z to Cisco RV042 too a D-Link DSH-16 in Room B that runs a cable too the Servers Router Linksys BEFSR41, too the Server. 

    The Server's Router has DHCP disabled well as the Wireless Router connected too that.

    Now the cable from the D-Link DSH-16 that runs too the Server's Router is connected into the uplink port or should it be port 1?

    Server, DHCP - Router - Wireless Router

    Clients, Internet Modem (wired/Wireless) - Wireless Router

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    Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 06:32:09 AM »
    This network needs some serious work - You appear to have 3 different devices capable of acting as routers, you should only have one router on the network.  You are also using a hub, it's 2015, get a switch.

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      Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
      « Reply #2 on: December 08, 2015, 07:01:42 AM »
      I only see two that act as a Router.  I know that it does need some work too :(  I can put a switch there but, thought that the hub was a switch :(

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        « Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 06:02:35 AM »
        I put the switch in place and connected both of the routers too it and then ran a cable too the hub.

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        Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
        « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 07:34:29 AM »
        You still have two routers on the network, why? And now a switch as appeared from nowhere yet you are still using the hub...

        What are you actually trying to do?

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          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
          « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 06:24:46 PM »
          I was told too put the switch there.  I just want too be able too forward the Internet connection from one room too the other

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          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
          « Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 07:04:55 PM »
          Then you should have your modem connected to one Router, no other routers at all.  Then you should connect switches and cables as required to this router to run cables to the devices.  Most likely you would want one switch per room and a single cable linking the two.

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            Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
            « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2015, 10:39:41 AM »
            That is how I have it configured.  I just don't know how too get the Internet forwarded too the other Room

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            Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
            « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2015, 04:34:14 PM »
            Well, if you have connected it exactly as I described the internet connection will already be available in the other room.

            Is this not working?

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              « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 06:59:55 PM »
              Nope

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              Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
              « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2015, 02:27:45 AM »
              That really isn't helpful... How exactly is everything connected?  Give makes and models of all the hardware.

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                « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 03:29:46 AM »
                That really isn't helpful... How exactly is everything connected?  Give makes and models of all the hardware.

                Room A, has internet connection access while Room B, has the Server.  I have a cable that runs from Room A CentryLink PK5001Z to Cisco RV042 too a D-Link DSH-16 in Room B that runs a cable too the Servers Router Linksys BEFSR41, too the Server.

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                Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                « Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 04:26:57 AM »
                This is getting ridiculous now, how many times have I said that you should not have two routers on the network at the same time.  The server should not have it's own router, it should just be connected to a switch.  The CenturyLink device should be set to act as a modem only, that should then connect to the RV042 which should connect to the DSH-16 (Please replace this with a switch, it's 2015, using a hub is ridiculous).  There should be no router for the server, get rid of the BEFSR41, this is only going to cause confusion.

                Please, go and teach yourself how networks work, you are doing this for your job, you should understand what you are doing and not be relying on us to help you do your job.

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                  Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                  « Reply #13 on: December 28, 2015, 03:22:37 PM »
                  I took the Servers Router Linksys BEFSR41 off the network but, when I try and change it too a differnt one on the Server says it is not on the same subnet

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                  Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                  « Reply #14 on: December 28, 2015, 03:31:17 PM »
                  Why are you changing the router for a different one?  How many times do I have to say, only have one router!  If you have taken the router out, then yes, the rest of the network is probably a different subnet, change the network settings on the server to match this!

                  It appears as though you are making no attempts to learn or teach yourself how networking works and instead are just bodging things and then asking us to hold your hand through fixing it.  This is your job, you should know how to do it, please, go and read up on networking and systems administration and figure out how to do your job properly.

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                    Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                    « Reply #15 on: December 28, 2015, 04:27:44 PM »
                    I was told too do that and you just said too :/

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                    Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                    « Reply #16 on: December 28, 2015, 06:10:11 PM »
                    I agree with Camerongray.
                    If all, or most of the users are peers, they should each have a cable going to just one router. Cable is not expensive.
                    You can buy a top line 8 port wireless router for under $200. No hub or switch needed. There router can do data up to 300 mbs and handle even more users by adding a switch.
                    The low end routers  sold for home use should not be used in a commercial environment.

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                    Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                    « Reply #17 on: December 28, 2015, 06:32:12 PM »
                    you just said too :/
                    He said to get rid of the second router. He didn't say anything about then replacing it with another router. The entire point was to not have two routers.
                    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                    Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                    « Reply #18 on: December 28, 2015, 09:26:59 PM »
                    It should not be this hard.  Connect the modem to ONE Router, Router to the switch and everything else (including the server) directly to the switch.  Then reconfigure any IP addresses on devices appropriately.

                    The network should contain one modem, one router and as many switches as required.  If you don't have this, you are doing something wrong!

                    Please, explain the purpose of the "server's router" in your network in case I am totally misunderstanding something.
                    « Last Edit: December 28, 2015, 09:39:46 PM by camerongray »

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                      « Reply #19 on: December 29, 2015, 09:38:49 AM »
                      that is what I have.  The server's router routes the packets and data basically, acting as ports too connect things

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                      Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                      « Reply #20 on: December 29, 2015, 09:42:41 AM »
                      That is not what a router is for, you need a switch, get rid of the server's router, put a switch in its place.
                      « Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 10:29:23 AM by camerongray »

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                      Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                      « Reply #21 on: December 29, 2015, 10:14:52 AM »
                      Would it be insider trading to ask where he works?
                      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                      Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                      « Reply #22 on: December 29, 2015, 10:49:43 AM »
                      To try and explain this clearer, there are distinct differences between a router and a switch.

                      A switch is effectively there to connect multiple devices on the same network together, think of it like a multi-way extension lead (although in practice it does a lot more than just joining the wires).

                      A router on the other hand is designed for forwarding traffic between two separate networks, such as between your local network and the internet.  You should only have routers at the boundaries of different networks, not in the middle of them as you have here.  Similarly, you should not be using a "wireless router" if you already have a router on the network, you should be using an "access point" which does the same thing but does not have any routing functionality.

                      It also appears as though your CenturyLink PK5001Z is a wireless and wired router so you should only need this and none of the other routers on the network.

                      Am I correct in thinking this is how your systems are layed out - You have an internet connection coming in from CenturyLink and then two rooms, one with some PCs (Room A) and the other with the server (Room B).  You then want wireless connectivity in both rooms?

                      This is how I suggest you set everything up using the CenturyLink PK5001Z acting as the router and the wireless access point for room A, 2 switches (one in each room) and a wireless access point in room B.


                      Notice how there is only one router on the entire network and that it is positioned between the internet and your local network.

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                        « Reply #23 on: January 03, 2016, 05:27:04 AM »
                        I left the server's router off, I think cause, it issued DHCP as well as being able too configure the server too do it is why, I left it there. :/   

                        These are not all on the same network though, I have a domain and a workgroup.  The Wireless Routers do act as AP's since I can be some where else an can find those with in the limit of the area. 

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                        Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                        « Reply #24 on: January 03, 2016, 11:50:47 AM »
                        For what it's worth.
                        Anytime you put more than one router  into a wired network, you have to resolve the
                        question of whom does the DHCP.  In some cases it may never work the way you want.

                        A common practice is to have just one router do the DHCP job. But there is a catch. The router might be in a different room some distance away. Even a locked room. Any the last person turned everything off. So the router does not give out DHCP because is off. You  can't win!

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                          « Reply #25 on: January 03, 2016, 01:54:09 PM »
                          The Server and CenturyLink :/ 

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                          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                          « Reply #26 on: January 03, 2016, 03:20:33 PM »
                          I'm totally at a loss as to what you are trying to do now

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                            « Reply #27 on: January 03, 2016, 04:08:16 PM »
                             you have to resolve the
                            question of whom does the DHCP

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                            Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                            « Reply #28 on: January 03, 2016, 04:20:46 PM »
                            You're going to have to explain much clearer what you are trying to do with the network, what the server does, what the clients are doing what you are doing about the domain.etc.  We need to know everything about how the network is set up and what you are trying to do. I can't advise further until I know exactly what is going on.

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                              « Reply #29 on: January 03, 2016, 05:26:47 PM »
                              mainly, maintain a certain set of files that are kind of personal.  The Server's role is too issue and back up certain files spefic too the network. 

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                              Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                              « Reply #30 on: January 03, 2016, 06:11:12 PM »
                              That is really not enough information, we need to know exactly how everything is set up and configured with respect to the domain/workgroup as well as the all the software running on the server, what devices are accessing the server and from where.etc, this will require more than a one sentence answer.

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                                « Reply #31 on: January 04, 2016, 04:26:14 PM »
                                To try and explain this clearer, there are distinct differences between a router and a switch.

                                A switch is effectively there to connect multiple devices on the same network together, think of it like a multi-way extension lead (although in practice it does a lot more than just joining the wires).

                                A router on the other hand is designed for forwarding traffic between two separate networks, such as between your local network and the internet.  You should only have routers at the boundaries of different networks, not in the middle of them as you have here.  Similarly, you should not be using a "wireless router" if you already have a router on the network, you should be using an "access point" which does the same thing but does not have any routing functionality.

                                It also appears as though your CenturyLink PK5001Z is a wireless and wired router so you should only need this and none of the other routers on the network.

                                Am I correct in thinking this is how your systems are layed out - You have an internet connection coming in from CenturyLink and then two rooms, one with some PCs (Room A) and the other with the server (Room B).  You then want wireless connectivity in both rooms?

                                This is how I suggest you set everything up using the CenturyLink PK5001Z acting as the router and the wireless access point for room A, 2 switches (one in each room) and a wireless access point in room B.


                                Notice how there is only one router on the entire network and that it is positioned between the internet and your local network.

                                How this is diagramed

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                                Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                « Reply #32 on: January 04, 2016, 06:09:01 PM »
                                I used a tool called Dia http://dia-installer.de/.  Very useful for all sorts of similar diagrams.  It has all the various standard Cisco symbols built in.

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                                  « Reply #33 on: January 07, 2016, 07:07:33 AM »
                                  I gusse that I will have too remove dhcp from the server cause, no one can get online if the Server is not on.  Also, downing the remote linksys dhcp disables the other room from getting online

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                                  « Reply #34 on: January 07, 2016, 11:14:03 AM »
                                  Again, you need to explain everything about what you are doing in great detail.

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                                    « Reply #35 on: January 12, 2016, 04:11:52 AM »
                                    I replaced the router that was attached too the Server with a Switch and then going too jump connect any more machines too the hub.  I am failing too see how this will work since the Router is on a Domain meaning DCPromo was ran

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                                    « Reply #36 on: January 12, 2016, 04:13:55 AM »
                                    For the last time, unless you explain exactly what you are doing and how everything is set up and meant to work, I will not be able to help further.

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                                      « Reply #37 on: January 12, 2016, 04:34:50 AM »
                                      I replaced the router that was attached too the Server with a Switch and then going too jump connect any more machines too the hub.  I am failing too see how this will work since the Router is on a Domain meaning DCPromo was ran

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                                      « Reply #38 on: January 12, 2016, 04:59:49 AM »
                                      Now you're just repeating what you just said.  I give up.

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                                        « Reply #39 on: January 12, 2016, 05:09:41 AM »
                                        seems that you didn't read it and asked

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                                        Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                        « Reply #40 on: January 12, 2016, 05:19:38 AM »
                                        I did read it, and it didn't explain exactly how everything in the network is set up as I asked.  I cannot advise when I do not know fully how the network is meant to be set up!

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                                          « Reply #41 on: January 12, 2016, 05:45:37 AM »
                                          I also, provided that several posts ago.  However, now I am haveing trouble with the RV402

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                                          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                          « Reply #42 on: January 12, 2016, 07:42:08 AM »
                                          mainly, maintain a certain set of files that are kind of personal.  The Server's role is too issue and back up certain files spefic too the network.

                                          This is what you said and I said it wasn't enough information...

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                                          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                          « Reply #43 on: January 12, 2016, 08:11:53 AM »
                                          Camerongray - if you are not getting the information you want, please explain to bob EXACTLY what it is you need from him. Chiding him for not knowing what you want is counter productive.

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                                          Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                          « Reply #44 on: January 12, 2016, 09:42:32 AM »
                                          Sorry, I've said that I need to know exactly how the network is structured, what the server does what the clients do, how everything is laid out physically, the purpose of every device in use and what services are running on the server and what devices are meant to be connecting to it. I think I'm going to just step back and leave this thread for someone else to take care of.
                                          « Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 09:53:44 AM by camerongray »

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                                            « Reply #45 on: January 12, 2016, 10:17:34 AM »

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                                            Re: Workgroup and Domain Setup
                                            « Reply #46 on: January 12, 2016, 10:28:46 AM »
                                            AHHHHH I'm an idiot!  Sorry, that was my mistake, I read that as "How is this diagrammed" and therefore explained how I made the diagram! D'OH! :P

                                            So what is the server running?  Is this set up as a network where the client PCs are joined to the same domain as the server and use it for things like active directory and file storage?  Is there anything else special running on the server?  You should just be able to reconfigure the IP addresses and subnet on the server to match the subnet that the rest of the systems are on.  Is this not working?

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                                              « Reply #47 on: January 12, 2016, 11:33:05 AM »
                                              AHHHHH I'm an idiot!  Sorry, that was my mistake, I read that as "How is this diagrammed" and therefore explained how I made the diagram! D'OH! :P

                                              So what is the server running?  Is this set up as a network where the client PCs are joined to the same domain as the server and use it for things like active directory and file storage?  Is there anything else special running on the server?  You should just be able to reconfigure the IP addresses and subnet on the server to match the subnet that the rest of the systems are on.  Is this not working?

                                              2008 Data Center, If the network get's configured right, I should be able too set that up as planned an have them.  So I should rerun dcpromo after changeing it too the century link router settings

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                                                « Reply #48 on: January 20, 2016, 12:12:57 PM »
                                                So what I have now is sort of a star with just everything workgrouped which, is basically, something I could of done from the start.  I don't have the Link Sys BEF connected and moved the HUB since, I put a switch too the Server's and don't have enough ports.