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    I need help choosing my pc
    « on: November 27, 2016, 06:58:02 AM »
    I was wondering if this computer is fast enough to play on 1080p and 100+ fps as I know nothing about computers and wanted a fast gaming one for Christmas
    Cyberpower Gaming Armada GT AMD A10 Processor, 8Gb RAM, 2Tb Hard Drive, PC Gaming Desktop Base Unit With Onboard Radeon R7 6GCN Graphics

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    Re: I need help choosing my pc
    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2016, 09:12:28 AM »
    Different games handle hardware differently, what game are you planning on playing at 1080p and 100+FPS?

    Additionally I have serious doubts that the integrated APU's Radeon R7 GPU would do much better than 30-40 FPS at 1080p. (But this is a guess based on my experience with other APUs). I have yet to see an APU that is powerful for gaming, all other APU's I have experienced while they can run games they wont run them the same as if you have a added mid to high end video card. The systems with the added mid to high end video cards will pretty much always be better.
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      Re: I need help choosing my pc
      « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 09:25:15 AM »
      It would be mainly for csgo and what about this?

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      Re: I need help choosing my pc
      « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 11:11:55 AM »
      It would be useful help if you could give a rough idea of budget - Both of those machines seem quite overpriced for what they are.  Looking up those machines Google is bringing up results from littlewoods.com, personally I'd stick to getting something from a company that specialises in custom made gaming PCs, that way you can get something tailored to your needs and from a company that actually understands what they are selling and can offer support on it.

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        Re: I need help choosing my pc
        « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 12:39:01 PM »
        Could u link me a gaming one for around 500 pounds u think would be good and amazing at its price?? Thanks in advance

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        Re: I need help choosing my pc
        « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 03:42:57 AM »
        £500 really isn't much for a gaming PC, you could get something like this that is very similar to the first machine that you posted but it won't be great - It'll run games but you'll probably have to turn down the detail settings/resolutions: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-value-gaming-pc-g15a-amd-a10-7870k-8gb-corsair-ddr3-radeon-r7-apu-1tb-hdd-win-10

        Given the Zoostorm you linked looks to be around £700 I'd be inclined to suggest spending a bit more on something like this: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-gaming-pc-g21i-intel-core-i3-6100-8gb-corsair-ddr4-2gb-evga-gtx-1050-1tb-sshd-win-10 or this (which has a better CPU) https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-gaming-pc-g26i-intel-core-i5-6400-8gb-corsair-ddr4-4gb-evga-gtx-1050-ti-240gb-ssd-1tb-hdd-win-1.  Both of those have proper GPUs so should run pretty much all games fine.

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          Re: I need help choosing my pc
          « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 04:11:02 PM »

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          Re: I need help choosing my pc
          « Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 04:39:47 PM »
          Predicting FPS is like predicting the weather...too many variables.
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            Re: I need help choosing my pc
            « Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 05:41:54 PM »
            Roughly tho how much God would u feel I could get on 1080p on csgo,h1z1 and minecraft

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            Re: I need help choosing my pc
            « Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 03:15:02 AM »
            It would probably run okay but the video card is a pretty old model (came out almost 3 years ago) - I also wouldn't personally touch "FreshTech" with a bargepole - That particular model doesn't look too bad but I've seen them pushing complete junk as being "gaming PCs" on eBay and seen several people caught out by these, this alone means I wouldn't trust them.  That FreshTech one also doesn't include a copy of Windows so that would add an extra £100 to the cost which makes it pretty average in terms of value.

            I would strongly recommend getting one of the Scan ones with a GeForce 1050 (or better) that I recommended - You also may want to take a look at places like Overclockers UK or PCSpecialist - At least then it's coming from a company that has a long history of building computers and actually knows what they are doing.

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              Re: I need help choosing my pc
              « Reply #10 on: December 11, 2016, 05:54:43 AM »
              Introducing the Core i5 Skylake PC using the latest Intel CPU technology. 
              This machine runs on DDR4 2400MHZ RAM and has 8GB of memory with a 1TB hard drive which will give you a starting point to enable you to tailor the machine to your specific gaming needs.
              This machine is WiFi enabled using a USB dongle.   
              Why not add some extra’s to ensure you can play the games you enjoy.
               
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              CPU : Intel i5 6500 Skylake 3.6GHZ
              PSU : 500w
              PSU Connections : 1 x 2pin ATX, 3 x 4pin Molex, 1 x FDD, 2 x SATA
              HDD : 1TB SATA
              RAM :  8GB DDR4 2400MHZ
              Optical Drive : DVD/RW
              Motherboard : ASUS 1151 H110M-K M-ATX
              Motherboard Connections : PS/2 Mouse & Keyboard, USB 2.0 x 4, USB 3.0 x 2, VGA, DVI, LAN, Audio Jacks x 3, PCI-E 3.0 x16 x 1, PCI-E 2.0 x1 x 2
              Case : Zalman R1 
              Case Dimensions : Width : 203mm, Length : 464mm, Height : 445mm
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              Would those specs run csgo kn 100+ fps?

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              Re: I need help choosing my pc
              « Reply #11 on: December 11, 2016, 11:47:16 AM »
              Do you have a link?  I don't see any graphics card listed in which case it's basically useless as a gaming machine.  The only reference I can find to such a machine is this http://pc4you.uk/core-i5-6500-skylake-pc-with-ddr4.html which doesn't look like a particularly reputable company given they miss out information on critical parts such as what make/model of power supply they were using (when companies do this it generally means "the cheapest we can find").  None of the PCs they sell look that good so definitely a company I would avoid.

              I still stand by my original comment of getting something from a well regarded company such as PCSpecialist, Overclockers UK, Scan.etc

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                Re: I need help choosing my pc
                « Reply #12 on: December 11, 2016, 12:01:53 PM »
                Could u find me a pc as cheap as possible that could run csgo on around 100-159 fps :(

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                « Reply #13 on: December 12, 2016, 03:10:11 AM »
                I linked 3 different PCs in my post on the 28th November.  I'm not able to predict frame rates, you'll need to look up different video cards and see what frame rate each handles then get one that does what you need.  Frame rates like that with decent graphics settings at a reasonable resolution are going to require a reasonably powerful graphics card.  "As cheap as possible" and "100-159fps" do not really go together well. IMO, if you focus on building a PC "as cheap as possible", you're going to have a bad time.

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                Re: I need help choosing my pc
                « Reply #14 on: December 12, 2016, 10:31:08 AM »
                If your trying to cut corners in price tag, Used might be a way to go, however I would not buy private sale. Most private sales of used computers there are reasons why someone is selling it ( performance issues either in it lagging or it has glitches or someone cooked it and is looking to unload it before it dies for good. ) I use to buy and sell used computers and some of the best deals there were reasons why a $700 computer I picked up for $200 such as a cooked video card that only shows its stressed and damaged when heavy gaming when it heats up and then blocks and lines start showing up and getting worse. Or it would lock up randomly and it was a main board failure. I was lucky that this was with desktop computers and so I could easily swap out flawed components and get it back up and running healthy to sell it and make $100 or so. But if these were laptops, I would have needed to replace specific to model main boards that are pricey and greater risk of a gamble in not turning a profit to cover my time invested into them to get them ready for resale after thorough testing to make sure that I am flipping a quality flaw free product. With computers so cheap these days I stepped out of the flipping computers for profit, but my experience from doing that for almost 20 years taught me and sharing that info with you so you know the risks.

                 I would go with a known business that takes care of their customers and buy a refurbished computer if you want to get the best performance for your budget.

                Myself in the past when squeezing my tight budget, I have gone with motherboards that can take a really good CPU, but cut corners in getting a CPU that is cheaper that meets the minimum requirements of the game. I then take the money saved in buying the cheapest CPU that will get me by and invest that into getting the best video card that I can for my money and stay within budget and later when i have more money buy the better CPU when its needed. BUT you have to make sure that the CPU is not going to be a bottleneck for your video card. Additionally the chipset of the motherboard also makes the difference. I made a mistake for example with cutting corners with a AMD FX-8350 4.0Ghz with 4.2Ghz Turbo build in which I went with a $55 motherboard. Found out later that while the motherboard will run the FX-8350, the chipset doesnt support the Turbo mode and so I cant get my FX-8350 to run at 4.2Ghz, it maxes out at 4.0Ghz. Fortunately the CPU at 4Ghz is plenty to run all my games, but not able to get it to 4.2Ghz due to the chipset restriction kinda stinks. If I spent more money and was more careful buying parts I could have gone with a better motherboard that supports the Turbo mode of the CPU. I thought the Turbo mode was on die with the CPU but the chipset is where that feature is supported or not.

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                I'm not able to predict frame rates, you'll need to look up different video cards and see what frame rate each handles then get one that does what you need.  Frame rates like that with decent graphics settings at a reasonable resolution are going to require a reasonably powerful graphics card.  "As cheap as possible" and "100-159fps" do not really go together well.

                I myself have had to do research to see what others are getting for frame rates when frame rates mattered. You have to see what they are running for hardware specs and then try to find parts that match up to that to use people who are already running the game and their hardware specs with screen resolution and frame rates you want. Then try to make a system that is a clone to their specs and hopefully they are not exaggerating with their frame rates in relation to game you want to play and same resolution. So if you can find someone who has a system that is running at the performance that you desire of which they listed their hardware specs and the hardware specs are not exaggerated and the components that are same or similar work within your budget, you will then likely end up with a system in the end that does what you need.

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                IMO, if you focus on building a PC "as cheap as possible", you're going to have a bad time.

                Its not saying it cant be done, but you will have to do research to find someone else who is playing this game at the frame rate you want. Most people out there are likely running the games you want to play with far greater performing parts than your budget will allow. You will need to have to find someone who shared information that is factual on bare minimum build that works within your budget. Then to get the parts you need and get the most for your money you will probably find yourself buying used/refurb parts to try to get these parts at a discount over new retail.