Windows 10 update

[SuperDave]

My friend brought his laptop over to me because he was having problems with a Windows 10 Updater that was popping up on his computer and he couldn't get rid of it. I checked for updates on the MS site and there were none. I found the Windows 10 updater in the Programs and Features and uninstalled it. I then ran MBAM to make sure the computer was clean and gave it back to him. A few days later he called me to say it was back and he couldn't get rid of it so he just shut it down. I've been doing some research on this updates and everything I see states that it is automatic. Any idea what's happening here?

[spankBot]

Uninstall
Go to windows key + R and type in services.msc and click on windows update-it should have stop in gray-go to the start up type and select disable.
Then go to the Task Scheduler-Task Scheduler Library- and go to windows-update Orchestrator-and click on anything that says Update assistant and disable it. Then go to windows update while still in the task scheduler and disable all 4 options. As long as the task is scheduled windows will make  it so. Good Luck!!

[BC_Programmer]

A "Windows 10 Updater" that appears in Add/remove doesn't seem like it is part of Windows to me.

For Feature updates there is sometimes a prompt but that doesn't appear in Add/remove and it has the option to proceed with the update process.

[SuperDave]

I went to the MS site and received the Windows 10 updates which took about 2 hrs. and everything appears to be normal now.

[patio]

A "Windows 10 Updater" that appears in Add/remove doesn't seem like it is part of Windows to me.

I would still check this out to be sure...

[SuperDave]

I would still check this out to be sure...

I ran some scans afterward and they all came up clean. All of a sudden the computer froze and now it won't boot. I can hear it going through the motions but nothing comes up.

[spankBot]

Does BIOS or BOOT options come up?

[SuperDave]

I finally was able to boot again. I did some checking and found a Windows 10 upgrade Assistant installed. Since this is the last version of Windows I wonder if this is how MS is going to handle future updates?

[spankBot]

I despise AV software as a solution. I personally do not use Anti-Virus software and it can causes more problems than it solves for me. I encourage you to back up your data. Congrats.

[SuperDave]

I despise AV software as a solution. I personally do not use Anti-Virus software and it can causes more problems than it solves for me. I encourage you to back up your data. Congrats.

It is not a malware/virus issue. As a Malware removal specialist I would not help anyone that does not have an AV active on their computer but thanks for your input.

[patio]

+ 1

[spankBot]

OK note taken that I am excluded from your assistance. Good to know. I apologize if I implied that it was a Maleware issue. I think I posted something above regarding the task scheduler and the update assistant.So I thought by my post Maleware was contraindicated. I was just sharing my opinion. Muh bad. I will avoid your posts in the future.

[BC_Programmer]

Windows 10 Update Assistant is used for major version/feature upgrades/updates.  I don't think it deletes itself afterwards, so it can sometimes hang around.

[Mark.]

as a side note, having just updated all my Windows 10 PC's to 16299.309, I also found (only on some) that after the update I had the Update Assistant in Programs and Features and another one called something something Remediations.

blew them both away.

[SuperDave]

spankbot, It was not my intention to insult you. I simply stated that every computer that goes on-line should have an active AV.
Mark and BC. Yes the program does remain on the computer after the updates. Perhaps it can be used for future updates.

[SuperDave]

The Windows 10 updates have been installed and all is running well. The only thing that concerned me was the message that "Support for Windows 10 would end in April 2018." If this is the last version of the last OS then support should never end.

[BC_Programmer]

Windows 10 releases have a lifecycle like Previous Windows versions (or service packs). The lifecycle has a much faster cadence than previous Windows versions as well, which is why some versions of Windows 10 are losing support even before Windows 7.

April 10th 2018 is end of support for the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (1703).

[patio]

I'd say that's pretty "accelerated"...

[Salmon Trout]

The only thing that concerned me was the message that "Support for Windows 10 would end in April 2018." If this is the last version of the last OS then support should never end.

I thought 1703 had until October 9 2018. Windows 10 is designed as “Windows as a service,” which is a new model where featured updates are released a few times a year, rather than holding back features for a new release (e.g. Vista, 7, 8, 8.1) every 2-3 years as in the past.

In fact, these are the dates I know of

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Version Date of availability    End of service
1709    October 17, 2017        April 9, 2019**
1703    April 5, 2017           October 9, 2018** 
1607    August 2, 2016          April 10, 2018**
1511    November 10, 2015       October 10, 2017**
1507    July 29, 2015           May 9, 2017

** Enterprise and Education editions for versions 1511, 1607, 1703 and 1709 will receive an additional 6 months of servicing after the end of service date.

[spankBot]

"As a Malware removal specialist I would not help anyone that does not have an AV active". You stated much more than that. I do not need AV software or your help SuperDuperDave. You placed me into a category and said that I was exempt. Fine by me.

[Salmon Trout]

Spankbot, you need to shut up about this now.

[Mark.]

@spankbot,
so you run no AV protection at all !?!
not even Win7's inbuilt one?
nor MBAM, nor anti-spyware, nor adblockers?

just curious.

[BC_Programmer]

I wonder if there was a miscommunication? I understood you to mean that you wouldn't provide malware removal assistance to somebody who refused to run an AV, but I can see how it might have been understood as saying you would never help somebody anywhere on the forum if they didn't use one.

Just speaking personally I haven't used AV software of the likes of AVG, Avast, etc) for a good decade and also disable Windows Defender as well as the Windows Firewall where possible, but I use NoScript and uBlock and such in my browsers and keep track of my process/services to watch for anything amiss. as well as firing up MBAM occasionally.

I'd certainly never impugn AV software's value to the most users nor the quality of your assistance simply because I'm exempt from receiving it though.

[SuperDave]

I wonder if there was a miscommunication? I understood you to mean that you wouldn't provide malware removal assistance to somebody who refused to run an AV, but I can see how it might have been understood as saying you would never help somebody anywhere on the forum if they didn't use one.

I meant in the Malware/Viruses forum. That was one of the first things they taught us in our training. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[patio]

I believe the issue was spank recommending to others not to have an A/V ...which i would also discourage as we never know what skill level Users are at...
BC i understand you can handle things on your end because of years of experience...as well as spank can...
But again we cannot assume Users expertise therefore it cam be mis-construed as reckless advice.

Keep in mind most who land here don't even have basic file management skills to say the least.

I say we leave it at that...

[artbuc]

Patio said “Keep in mind most who land here don't even have basic file management skills to say the least.”

Ouch, the truth hurts, lol. Sometimes I know enough to be dangerous but most of the time I don’t even know that much.