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    Why should I use Linux?
    « on: March 31, 2006, 11:57:48 AM »
    OK, guys, I'm thinking about partitioning my hard drive and installing Linux as a second Operating System. I currently have Windows XP on a hard drive with more than enough room for both OS's (how does about 90 GB for each sound?), and I know I have to have it on a seperate partition. So! Here's the thing: I don't have a functioning partition program, and it's $70 where I live to get Partition Magic. Before I go out and spend that kind of money, I want to be absolutely sure that what I'm getting is going to be necessary for my computer. I'm asking for unbiased facts, here:

    • How is Linux better than Windows?
    • How is it worse? (I know no software is perfect)
    • Anything I should know about both Operating Systems

    I'm trying to decide whether Linux is right for me or not. Help me out, here. :)
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    Re: Why should I use Linux?
    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 02:51:03 PM »
    Oh my goodness, where to start...

    One of the greatest beauties of Linux is that you can build a stripped-down version, and for certain dedicated tasks, it will completely whup the *censored* of any Windows flavour you mention, for speed, security and stability.  The other significant pull is the huge variety of software, including high-grade server spec stuff that is available for free.  I installed a system for a friend the other day, based on Ubuntu, and when I was done, it had something like 12,000 different software packages installed.  All completely free.

    (Incidentally, if you decide to go for Ubuntu, I recommend choosing the KDE version, Kubuntu.  You will prefer KDE to Gnome, I'm almost certain.)

    Disadvantages of Linux:

    A lot of stuff is done on the command line.  Configuration can often involve editing plain text files.  There's an awful lot to learn, and you will miss the Windows GUI-for-everything way.

    Support for drivers is often more limited in Linux than in Windows.

    The various components that make up a typical Linux desktop are not integrated in quite the same way as Windows.  With Windows, you have only one windowing system.  With Linux you have many different possible systems.  Different programs may be made for different systems, resulting in things not coming together completely seamlessly.  For example, the clipboard facility is in many ways not up to the Windows standard.

    Microsoft Office (etc) cannot be expected to run on Linux.  Hence there is a lot to learn in terms of new software.  For everything.

    The Open Source model means that rogue hackers can read crucial system code in an effort to find vulnerabilities to exploit.

    Advantages:

    Speed.  You can configure Linux for speed, much more easily than Windows.  If you have an old laptop you want to use, which is not up to running XP, put Linux on it.  Sorted.

    Security.  There are VERY few Linux viruses out there in the wild.  Not for the want of trying, on the part of virus writers.  Linux generally has a more secure permissions system which makes it hard for viruses to propagate.

    Flexibility.  You can use the same base Ubuntu system as a power desktop, a gaming platform, an office workhorse, a file & print server and/or a web/database server.  There are usually no licensing restrictions, so you can throw as many users at the system as the system can handle.

    Cost.  You can download hundreds of different Linux distributions for free.  You can download hundreds of thousands of GOOD Linux applications for free.

    Variety.  Your choice is not simply XP, Windows 2003 Server or Windows 2003 Small Business Server.  See any Linux distribution website, and you will understand what I mean.

    The Open Source model.  A benefit in itself; there are hundreds of thousands of people around the globe, working endlessly on Linux.  Security holes are patched almost immediately, and typically turned around to end users in a fraction of the time it takes Microsoft.  Also, "open source" means that everyone can view the code, and it is harder for bugs and undesireable design "features" to go unnoticed and undocumented.

    I'll leave it there for now.  Fairly sure GX1_Man will have PLENTY to add.
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    Re: Why should I use Linux?
    « Reply #2 on: March 31, 2006, 02:52:20 PM »
    PS  I usually leave my Linux systems up and running for six months at a time; they can be upgraded WHILE IN USE.
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      Re: Why should I use Linux?
      « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2006, 02:57:50 PM »
      I guess that all makes a great deal of sense. If Office doesn't work in Linux, though, I'll still have a partition with XP on it, so no loss. My big question is gaming. I have a lot of games, and none of them are built for Linux. Do they run on Linux? I remember trying to install a Linux game on XP once and it didn't work. How is it the other way around?
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      Re: Why should I use Linux?
      « Reply #4 on: March 31, 2006, 03:05:47 PM »
      You need to think really: run Linux programs on Linux.  Run Windows programs on Windows.  Yes, there are compatibility layers, and emulators and stuff that can be used to help Windows programs run on Linux - with some amazing successes, but the result will generally be unsatisfactory.  The operating systems are completely different.  Windows programs don't run on Macs either.

      Some programs however have been compiled and built to run on different systems.  So OpenOffice is available on Macs, Windows and Linux (and more), and looks very similar on all platforms.
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        Re: Why should I use Linux?
        « Reply #5 on: March 31, 2006, 03:27:09 PM »
        /me smacks self on forehead

        OK, you got me. As soon as I get my drive partitioned I'll get Linux. :)
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          Re: Why should I use Linux?
          « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2006, 05:08:46 PM »
          OK, I have a freshly partitioned drive, ready to go! I think... I used PartitionMagic 8.0 to set aside a 90 GB drive out of my 200 GB drive. All I need is to install Linux on it, right?
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            Re: Why should I use Linux?
            « Reply #7 on: March 31, 2006, 07:11:47 PM »
            I've begun the long download of Kubuntu. I have no idea how this will work, but I will install it on D: which is my blank (almost; PM put RECYCLER on there) 90 GB partition. The download is 640.5 MB - longest download I've seen ever. d/ling at appx. 125 KB/s... I'm writing this because I'm bored out of my skull...

            OK, you say it'll whip any flavo(u)r of Windows. What about XP SP2? How is it compared to that OS? As far as I've seen, it's pretty stable, but I know the security of XP SP2 alone... stinks. And speed, well, no comment. My PC is so different from the other computers I've used with ME and 9x that there is no coparison, let alone OS speed difference. But how does Linux do vs. SP2?
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            Re: Why should I use Linux?
            « Reply #8 on: March 31, 2006, 07:16:01 PM »
            I think Rob covered most everything. The thing you may want to do first Dilbert is to make a few Linux Live CD's to see what they actually look like and how they function BEFORE even installing. They don't write anything to the hard drive. In fact you don't even need a hard drive in the machine to use it! Just remember it is running from the CD so it will be slower than when installed.

            Why don't you post some system specs for some even better advice. All of the "cutting edge" stuff favors Windows, due to the monopoly.

            Some people get put off that Linux takes longer to boot up. But if your machine stays up for months, that's not really much of an issue.

            There is SO much variety in linux distributions, you are sure to find one that appeals to you. Xandros (not free but less than Microsoft O/S)even allows you to resize an existing Windows partition to make room to install AND it evens includes a program called Crossover Office that will run Microsoft Office and others without Windows even being on the machine! Most distributions come with OpenOffice so you can create compatible files anyway.

            So post away with your specs!

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              Re: Why should I use Linux?
              « Reply #9 on: March 31, 2006, 07:22:08 PM »
              All right!

              CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ~2.2GHz
              Hard Drive: 200 GB (Partitioned) 99.9 GB | 90 GB
              CD-ROM: CD-DVD R/RW
              Floppy: None
              OS: Windows XP SP2 on C: | D: is empty
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              Re: Why should I use Linux?
              « Reply #10 on: March 31, 2006, 08:44:15 PM »
              Graphics card?

              Sound card?

              Printer?

              Are you on dialup of broadband?

              If you want the most Windows Like Linux, try Linspire Live CD, since you are  noob in this area. It is available as a torrent download.

              Kubuntu is good and they have a good forum as well. Just don't expect Windows. It's Linux. Load it, expore it and enjoy.




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                Help me install Kubuntu
                « Reply #11 on: March 31, 2006, 09:06:11 PM »
                Oh, sorry.

                nVidia GeForce 6600
                Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit 7.1 surround
                No printer
                DSL WiFi connection

                OK. I've extracted the Setup. I'm going in! (Insert dramatic music here)

                /me sets topic: Kubuntu installation

                [edit]Uh... no .exe files... how do I do this? Guys, I have no idea what to do from here. There's a bunch of files, but none of them are EXE files. How do I install Linux on my empty D: drive?[/edit]
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                Re: Why should I use Linux?
                « Reply #12 on: April 01, 2006, 06:09:20 AM »
                You download the  ISO file, then use Nero or some similarr program to burn the ISO to a CD (not just copying the file). Then you reboot with that CD in the drive. Off you go.
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                  Re: Why should I use Linux?
                  « Reply #13 on: April 01, 2006, 08:54:55 AM »
                  I've downloaded ISO Recorder but whenever I run the file it does nothing. I'm still looking for another one. :)

                  [edit]Wait. I have Nero??? Cool![/edit]

                  [edit]OK, guys, I'm having a problem. I tried to burn the .iso and NeroVision Express Version 2 told me that I couldn't write to that type of disc. Thinking it was because I was using a CD-RW, I put in a CD-R. Same error. What's up?[/edit]

                  [edit]OK, I'm trying to make a copy of the .iso using Nero to create a Nero Image file. Maybe after I do that it'll work OK.[/edit]

                  [edit]It seems to be working...[/edit]

                  [edit]OK, the disc is written! Reboot time![/edit]

                  [edit]When I get to the spot where is says type 'server' for base or hit enter for full, my keyboard locks up and does nothing. I've tried USB and the serial keyboard. What's wrong?[/edit]
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                  Re: Why should I use Linux?
                  « Reply #14 on: April 01, 2006, 10:55:03 AM »
                  You could have a bad download or a bad burn. Always use a CDR, never a CDRW and burn at a lower speed - 24x is what I use for an O/S.

                  Did you you check your download against the MD5 checksum? What site did you use?

                  Nere does two kinds of ISO. See if there is one listed below the entry for the Nero ISO  one.

                  When the install starts with the finished cD, enter is all you should have to press.

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                    Re: Why should I use Linux?
                    « Reply #15 on: April 01, 2006, 11:14:44 AM »
                    Writing the .iso at the fastest it will let me - 10x. I'll report back.
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                      Re: Why should I use Linux?
                      « Reply #16 on: April 01, 2006, 11:37:42 AM »
                      Still, my keyboard locks up at the prompt. I got it from here:

                      http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/

                      I used the download that says "for almost all computers". I do have an AMD Athlon 64 processor; should I use that instead?
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                        Re: Why should I use Linux?
                        « Reply #17 on: April 01, 2006, 12:34:07 PM »
                        I set it to Nero's inbuilt driver. But I can't find Nero Burning ROM! I can only find the Nero Express!

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                        « Reply #18 on: April 01, 2006, 12:50:23 PM »
                        Nero Express can burn ISO's as well. Same procedure, just choose ISO's rather than the Nero format.

                        A 64 bit version sounds a better fit for you, but is not mandatory.

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                          Re: Why should I use Linux?
                          « Reply #19 on: April 01, 2006, 12:51:31 PM »
                          Oh I get it. When it ejected I took the disc out. Apparently Nero wasn't done with it yet. :-X

                          [edit]OK, it's verifying the contents and it's getting a lot of read errors. Is this normal for Linux discs?[/edit]
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                            Re: Why should I use Linux?
                            « Reply #20 on: April 01, 2006, 08:50:02 PM »
                            I am very sorry that I've been gone so long. My folks sprung a nature hike on me. I'd prefer to set up Linux instead (sheesh, I forgot a jacket and got HAILED on) and when I tried to boot from CD it froze at the beginning again.

                            OK. Which of these programs should I use? I'm tired of guessing.

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                            Re: Why should I use Linux?
                            « Reply #21 on: April 01, 2006, 09:13:05 PM »
                            Nero

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                              Re: Why should I use Linux?
                              « Reply #22 on: April 01, 2006, 09:52:38 PM »
                              I've been using that. I always selected Drive Image, that last option. I'm gonna try making a Bootable Data Disc - it's the only other one that makes any sense. :)
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                              Re: Why should I use Linux?
                              « Reply #23 on: April 01, 2006, 10:14:45 PM »
                              Nope.  No no no.  You don't need to make the burn session yourself.  Just leave the file with an ISO extension, then in Nero, cancel the  wizard.  File-->Open-->Files of type :Image files (*.nrd, *.iso, *.cue).  In the dialogue box, ensure "Finalize CD" is checked.  Personally I would burn at 2x or 4x, for maximum compatibility.  It is worthwhile with OS installation CDs.

                              GX1_Man mentioned MD5.  In the download are for the ISO files, you'll also see a file called "md5sums" or something like that.  This file contains checksums calculated against the image files.  You can use this to check for corruption during download (essential on such a large download).  You compute an MD5 checksum against the image file, and then match it against the one in the md5sums file.  If there is any difference, you have a corrupted download and will need to get the whole thing again.

                              You can use MD5Summer to calculate the checksum.  Note that I have never used that program (I always use a Linux tool to check MD5 sums) and cannot make any guarantees about it.  It LOOKS like it will do the job.
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                                Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                « Reply #24 on: April 01, 2006, 10:32:45 PM »
                                I can't figure out where to cancel the wizard. And I never get the chance to "finalize CD". I'm sorry if I'm being a pain, but can I have a step-by-step? I'm at the beginning, where it asks "What do you want to do?"

                                Again, I'm sorry. I know this should be simple but for me it's not. I'm normally computer literate, but this is Greek to me. :'(
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                                Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                « Reply #25 on: April 01, 2006, 10:46:36 PM »
                                Hmm...  I'm not sure we have the same version of Nero.  Anyway, there's a simple solution to your problem.  Use DeepBurner Free instead.  Much easier.
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                                  Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                  « Reply #26 on: April 01, 2006, 10:58:53 PM »
                                  No more Nero momma no more Nero momma no more Nero momma...

                                  /me sucks thumb

                                  I tried downloading the Nero 7 Demo to see if I could get it to work, but no luck. So I uninstalled it (It made me uninstall Nero Express. Good thing I can reinstall it later)

                                  Alright... I'm trying DeepBurner... I'll report back in a bit. No chance of a surprise hike at 10:00 PM...
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                                    Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                    « Reply #27 on: April 01, 2006, 11:09:24 PM »
                                    PC Magazines often have free linux disks with them. ;)

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                                      Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                      « Reply #28 on: April 01, 2006, 11:16:45 PM »
                                      I tried again. I booted from CD and got a screen that says KUBUNTU at the top. Underneath, it said to type server and hit ENTER for a base install; ENTER for a full install. Underneath there was a prompt that said "boot" and there was a prompt. But this prompt was not flashing. Pressing ENTER did nothing. I waited a couple, but nothing happened.

                                      I have the patience for ONE more attempt tonight. After that, I'm going to bed. I burned at 10X, the fastest it would let me. I selected "burn an ISO" when DB started. Anyone got any ideas?
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                                      Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                      « Reply #29 on: April 01, 2006, 11:41:38 PM »
                                      Suggestion at this point: try a different distro.  Eg. VectorLinux.
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                                        Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                        « Reply #30 on: April 01, 2006, 11:49:32 PM »
                                        Alright. I'm downloading, but I may need to go to bed before it's done. :)

                                        What's VectorLinux like, anyway?
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                                          Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                          « Reply #31 on: April 02, 2006, 01:46:30 AM »
                                          I just had a nice chat with the guys at the Kubuntu forums. They suggested I d/l the 64-bit Kubuntu. I am doing that as well as d/ling VectorLinux. I was going to sleep while this was downloading (It takes a while to download 1 GB) but I can't sleep with the blue light coming from my box. So I'm awake at 12:44 AM. Wait... it's DST, right? So it's 1:44. @!@#!

                                          I'm temporarily stopping the download of VectorLinux so I can try this out.

                                          /me is very tired.
                                          /me will be very short-tempered, esp. if this doesn't work...

                                          [edit]My brain is too slow. I realized I still have to write the thing. I'm finishing up my download of this other Linux, but I'm hoping for Kubuntu for no other reason than that's what was reccommended... or maybe I feel good vibes from Kubuntu, or... zzzzz
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                                          « Reply #32 on: April 02, 2006, 06:33:32 AM »
                                          Just remember, if the issue is downloading and burning - just PM me an address and I will drop some CD's in the mail.

                                          If the issue is installation, we will all be right here! ;)

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                                            Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                            « Reply #33 on: April 02, 2006, 08:03:39 AM »
                                            The AMD install didn't work. I'm going to try VectorLinux. But I accidentally downloaded some other weird thing (don't ask) so it'll take me a bit to get it.

                                            Has this happened before? The whole lock-up at boot thing? Just curious.

                                            GX1_Man, you have no idea how tempted I am to take you up on your offer. But I'd like to get this to work - that way, you don't need to pay an outrageous postage fee (Not sure what that fee is in Oklahoma, but if it's as high as Oregon or higher it's outrageous).

                                            You will not believe this. What should I find in my room but a copy of Nero OEM Suite! It came with my PC, apparently, but never installed it because I never knew what it was. Maybe it was a good thing my bed collapsed after all; otherwise I might never have found it.

                                            Stupid demo...
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                                            « Reply #34 on: April 02, 2006, 08:15:35 AM »
                                            Disks plus postage would be less than $4. You're worth that to me Dilbert!  ;)

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                                              Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                              « Reply #35 on: April 02, 2006, 08:18:10 AM »
                                              I'm flattered. [smiley=shocked.gif]

                                              Hey, I figured out my Nero issue! (Kind of, anyway) For some reason, I have Nero Express - but not Nero! Don't ask me how this is possible - I don't know. :-X
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                                                Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                                « Reply #36 on: April 02, 2006, 01:35:17 PM »
                                                OK, I finally got a brain in my head. I'm doing now what I would do with a hardware issue - troubleshooting. I've downloaded the full version of VectorLinux, but I won't install it. If the install begins to succeed, I obviously have a faulty download of Kubuntu. However, if I get a similar or identical problem, I'll know that I am at fault. In that case - I'd have to rely on GX1_Man's more-than-merely-kind offer.

                                                I have a hypothetical question about my hard drive and Linux/Windows. Let's say something goes terribly wrong and Windows crashes, forcing me to format that drive to access it. (Considering Windows' history, this isn't too far-fetched, though it's never happened to me) Even though Linux cannot read the files and open them, would it be possible for me to use Linux to copy the needed files/programs onto a special folder in the D: drive, format C:, and move the files back without damaging data?

                                                [edit]Alright, now I know the culprit. It's me. I can't figure out how this is, but VectorLinux locked up too. Shouldn't it at least do something a few seconds after I hit the enter key? I'm going to try one more thing: I'm going to make two Kubuntu discs, and one of them will be extracted. That's the only thing I can think of now. If neither works, GX1_Man can expect a PM.[/edit]

                                                /me has PMed GX1_Man
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                                                « Reply #37 on: April 02, 2006, 04:51:36 PM »
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                                                I have a hypothetical question about my hard drive and Linux/Windows. Let's say something goes terribly wrong and Windows crashes, forcing me to format that drive to access it. (Considering Windows' history, this isn't too far-fetched, though it's never happened to me) Even though Linux cannot read the files and open them, would it be possible for me to use Linux to copy the needed files/programs onto a special folder in the D: drive, format C:, and move the files back without damaging data?

                                                Yes, you can read NTFS files, but not write them to an NTFS drive. You could backup to a CDROM, across a network, to a thumb drive, etc. with a Live CD. I do recommend someone to back up ALL important files before attempting to load ANY new operating system, so take with a grain of salt. If you have any imaging software, use it! Otherwise, kust back up those important data files, IE favorites, address book, etc.

                                                By the way, Nero Express is a subset of Nero. That is to say, if you have Nero you have them both, but if you just have Nero Express, then that's all you have. However Nero Expres does a great job burning ISO's as well. Were you getting messages that your file had burned correctly when Nero Express reported it was done?

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                                                Re: Why should I use Linux?
                                                « Reply #38 on: April 03, 2006, 03:44:15 AM »
                                                Dilbert, from your references to Konqueror, can I take it that you have managed to install Kubuntu?

                                                If so, bring up the package manager.  (Main 'start' menu under System, I think.)  In the package manager, find the option to edit the sources.  Uncomment everything except the multiverse sources.  Then use the update button.

                                                Once that is done, find the Synaptic package manager (do a search).  You'll thank me for this.  Install it.  Once it's installed, close that package manager and open up Synaptic instead (same location in the main menu).

                                                You may then spend hours and hours and hours choosing which of the gazillion programs you want to install.  :)

                                                When you're done, get yourself to a shell prompt ('command prompt') and type:

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                                                apt-get dist-upgrade

                                                apt-get upgrade

                                                You'll then have all the security patches installed and you're done.

                                                Warning: it took me many days to fully install Kubuntu and all the extra bits and bobs for a system for a friend a couple of weeks ago.
                                                Only able to visit the forums sporadically, sorry.

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