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[Neil]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

[honvetops]

This left-blinded society / media    :-/   will not tell the public the "real" story pertaining to this story. There is a Mosque  very close to this mall and that the murderer was an immigrant Bosnian Muslim.  His name is no other than the same of that Muslim conquerer years ago in the middle east.  They are potraying this as Columbine-like but its a hate crime/ terrorist hit. Though he acted alone.   Where's Jack Bauer when you need him?  Way to go cop!!  

Police identify gunman as 18-year-old Bosnian

By Linda Thomson
Deseret Morning News
      Police Tuesday identified the gunman accused in Monday night's Trolley Square shooting as [highlight]Sulejman Talovic[/highlight], an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.
      Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said Talovic drove his car to the mall, parked in the west parking terrace and encountered two people who he shot before entering the mall.
      There, he encountered a female who also was shot right away, then went into a gift shop where there were five people, all of whom the young man shot. Moving through the mall, the gunman tried to shoot others, Burbank said. The chief said he could not say now how many shots were involved in the entire episode.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660195221,00.html

[highlight]Dr. Michael Savage[/highlight] was the only public figure to release this info last night*.

[fffreak]

There was someone on the news 3 days ago, He was 17 and he got into a fight. When he went home, his mom conforted him and everything then she gave him a gun and said, "go take care of it". Which I was surprised to hear a kids mom would give a kid a gun. And he did just that, he shot and killed his bully. His mom now faces 1st degree murder and he faces 3rd degree murder. Don't know how that happened because the kid knew what he was doing. He did this in school. Scary thought .

8-)fffreak

[Dilbert]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

You know, I find that Mario Kart makes me more violent than Grand Theft Auto (I don't own either -- friend does). After about 20 minutes of trying to handle that stupid N64 controller, I want to bash the TV with my controller.

[Blackberry]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

I did NOT say, a violent game makes EVERY people violent. Only a few ones. And those few ones are enough to take the lifes of a lot of people

[Calum]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

You know, I find that Mario Kart makes me more violent than Grand Theft Auto (I don't own either -- friend does). After about 20 minutes of trying to handle that stupid N64 controller, I want to bash the TV with my controller.

COL.
I find that my PC makes me more violent than any game, when it's playing me up.

[patio]

You are how you were raised....

Nuff said.

[Neil]

COL.
I find that my PC makes me more violent than any game, when it's playing me up.

So it's Microsoft's fault then

[chriscool9]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

I did NOT say, a violent game makes EVERY people violent. Only a few ones. And those few ones are enough to take the lifes of a lot of people

Yea, i dotn know if you guys remeber but a while ago there was that game called Manhunt that was banned. That was because a lad dies because his mate practiced a move he saw on taht game by using a claw hammer.
Pretty grusome stuff.

Chris

[Calum]

COL.
I find that my PC makes me more violent than any game, when it's playing me up.

So it's Microsoft's fault then

Sometimes.
It depends whose product is playing me up at that point.
it may be Microsoft, it may be Evesham, it may be any of the countless other manufacturers I have bought things form and whose products have, at one time or another, struck a note of annoyance from the delicate harp of my feelings.
My my, I'm positively waxing lyrical today . . . what's wrong with me?
Edit: yeah, I remember Manhunt, Chris.
It was blamed for a load of murders and injuries, when it was either the kid's or the parents' fault - it was an 18, and the kids were way less than that.
If the parents knew about all the violence, why let their underage child buy the game?  Or buy it for them?
I don't feel that there is one factor to blame for all the violence, it's a combination of things.

[patio]

You are how you were raised....

Nuff said.

I'll repeat. Blame can be conviently placed anywhere  but the fact remains...

[fffreak]

Saying that violent games makes people violent is rubbish. I play them all the time and I'm not mentally unballanced... well at least not violent. What's more likely the case is people who already have violent tendencies will seek out violent outlets such as games.

Maybe I live in some magical land, but my school never had anything like guns or knives or the like. Am I missing out?

I did NOT say, a violent game makes EVERY people violent. Only a few ones. And those few ones are enough to take the lifes of a lot of people

Yea, i dotn know if you guys remeber but a while ago there was that game called Manhunt that was banned. That was because a lad dies because his mate practiced a move he saw on taht game by using a claw hammer.
Pretty grusome stuff.

Chris

I have manhunt, got it when it first came out. It is a pretty gruesome game.

[Neil]

I agree Callum. It's 18 for a reason.

[chriscool9]

fffreak, I realised why its 3 F's!!!!
Final
Fantasy
Freak

Anyway back to the subject. The age certifications are rediculous!!
 I went into HMV the other day with my mates, tried to buy the 'Die Hard' trilogy box set, and the guy goes 'I'm sorry but your not 18, i cant let you have this'. Fair enough im not 18. But what really doesnt make ANY sence is that he then told me that if i brought in one of my parents or someone i knew who was 18 and they bought it for me i could have it. But that just defeats the whole point of a Cert rating, because im still going to watch it. All i did was go to one of my mates whos got a fake ID and let him buy it for me and the guy didnt mind at all eventhough i was stood wth him. If im honest i think theyre a complete waste of time because if i cant get one for whatever reason, all i have to do is 'aquire' a copy over the itnernet

Chris

[fffreak]

I tend to think they make no sense either, I am a regular at my local GameStop, so now they don't even ask for me to bring a parent because, everytime they did, I just brought my dad in with me. It is ridicule. In 30 more days I will be 18, so now no electronic store can say anything. YES!!

By the way, I'm surprised you just now noticed my name chriscool9.

 8-)fffreak