Leopard.... bugs?

[socrates]

I've heard from a few people that they've had issues with leopard, and I'm planning on upgrading all macs here at our corporate office to leopard.  I'm using it on my powerbook g4 with no issues, although I did do a completely fresh install and then migrated all of my data over.

Anyone out there having any major issues?  Anyone out there that's like me and had no issues whatsoever?

I know there's been rumor of a patch Apple's going to release soon that will fix over 100 bugs, and while I hope that's true, I haven't seen issues yet.  Thoughts?

[Zylstra]

Windows had less than 100 bugs...
(Just had to say it..)

The Macintosh OS already has an update application built in, if you are concerned about the bug fix causing problems, you might consider not installing it for about a week or two, and watch the Apple forums for any further updates and concerns brought by it.

As for personal experience on the update, you might have some problems finding that here... not many Mac users

[socrates]

Windows had less than 100 bugs...
(Just had to say it..)

The Macintosh OS already has an update application built in, if you are concerned about the bug fix causing problems, you might consider not installing it for about a week or two, and watch the Apple forums for any further updates and concerns brought by it.

As for personal experience on the update, you might have some problems finding that here... not many Mac users

It's funny that you pull out the "Windows had less than 100 bugs," Zylstra, because I heard a lot more complaining about Vista than Leopard.

As for there not being many mac users here, it was worth a shot.  Just wanted to get a conversation going in this forum.

[Zylstra]

One thing that has always got me though is that most of the people that complain about Vista dont own it...

Then again, the same can be applied to Mac rant

[socrates]

That could be true, but I've used both Vista and Leopard, and I find that the issues with leopard are minor and, while the issues with Vista may not be completely forced on Microsoft, they are pretty big issues.

[socrates]

I can't even believe you said Windows has less than 100 bugs.  Take a look at this, only one of many articles about Vista's numerous flaws.

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/190301072

Short quote from the article:

"Of the 27,479 bugs (as of July 3), 5,743 remained classified as "open." The remainder had either been tagged as "closed" or "resolved.""

Furthermore, here's a few people who do use Vista and are fed up with some of the issues.

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/28/65-more-windows-vista-mistakes/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/07/05/Windows-Vista-Bug-Analysis.aspx

[socrates]

I should also mention that Apple released 10.5.2 a week or two ago, and I've enjoyed the fixes thus far.

[Zylstra]

I can't even believe you said Windows has less than 100 bugs.  Take a look at this, only one of many articles about Vista's numerous flaws.

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/190301072

Short quote from the article:

"Of the 27,479 bugs (as of July 3), 5,743 remained classified as "open." The remainder had either been tagged as "closed" or "resolved.""

I think those sites are stretching what you classify as a "bug"

Windows has this Problems and Solutions thing. It reports anything that Windows cant do, its actually quite useful. Even drivers that could not be found using Windows Update show up in that Problem Reports/Solutions program...

They are not necessarily bugs, also, program errors (caused by third party software) are also reported.

Now, I am not saying that this is what they meant by bugs, but, this is all I can see.

Furthermore, here's a few people who do use Vista and are fed up with some of the issues.

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/28/65-more-windows-vista-mistakes/

(Cant say I favor him... but, thats my personal opinion)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/07/05/Windows-Vista-Bug-Analysis.aspx

I still havent had any problems with Vista.

I should also mention that Apple released 10.5.2 a week or two ago, and I've enjoyed the fixes thus far.

Sounds good, I am glad that worked out alright for you

[socrates]

I think those sites are stretching what you classify as a "bug"

Windows has this Problems and Solutions thing. It reports anything that Windows cant do, its actually quite useful. Even drivers that could not be found using Windows Update show up in that Problem Reports/Solutions program...

They are not necessarily bugs, also, program errors (caused by third party software) are also reported.

Now, I am not saying that this is what they meant by bugs, but, this is all I can see.

Actually, what is being classified as "bugs" here is the same thing that was classified in Leopard as "bugs."  The 100 so-called bugs in leopard were of the same nature as microsoft's.  The numbers, therefore, can be compared.

Also, I have used windows for over 13 years, and I know about the "problem/solutions report program."  Apple has the same thing.  However, it's nice only in that you are able to then report the bug to them, in hopes that others will and they will see the bug worth putting resources into fixing.  It provides no short term solution, and, unless the company sees the issue worth fixing, may never be fixed long term unless by third party (firewall or security program of some type).

(Cant say I favor him... but, thats my personal opinion)

That's not the point.  I may not favor him either, but the point is that you claimed that people who complain about vista don't actually use vista.  My point is that many of them who complain do in fact use vista.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/07/05/Windows-Vista-Bug-Analysis.aspx

I still havent had any problems with Vista.

Same thing.  The argument wasn't whether or not you've had problems with vista.  I was simply stating that you're quip about vista not having 100 bugs was far from true.

[michaewlewis]

Did anyone else notice that socrates links were mostly from 2006? Vista was still in beta at that time, as I recall. http://tinyurl.com/y4zcwd

[socrates]

Actually, I just did a quick google search to produce some relevant results for you.  As you said, most of those came up as from 2006, but that doesn't mean there isn't an abundance of qualms and articles about vista today.

Let me pull some of those up for you.  Here's a few from just the past month.  They are almost all focusing on the same issue, but it's a big one for Vista. 
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352993_msftvista28.html?source=mypi
here's a fun one, not really about bugs with vista, but more about pissing off their customers.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/02/28/1746211.shtml
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/172479/microsoft-emails-reveal-vista-driver-fiasco.html
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3233


I'm going to stop there... mainly because I'm at work and don't have time to look up the large number of articles about problems with vista. 

[michaewlewis]

but your statement that vista has over 20,000 bugs is not true. The beta release of vista had over 20,000 bugs reported. The final release of vista had about 8% of the bugs that leopard had. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/18/170241 & http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758

the lawsuits over the "Vista Capable" problem isn't really a problem with the os, just a line of misinformation from microsoft. If you run vista with the right hardware, it's a fine os. With that said, Vista still has more compatible hardware than mac does.

BTW, what kind of corporate IT environment do you work in? What company?

[socrates]

Both of those articles were the ones you posted before, and I already responded to them.

The lawsuit over vista capable wasn't one I was claiming was a problem with the os.  I prefaced that link by saying "here's a fun one."

As far as the corporate environment I work it, it's 99% Windows machines.  We've got about 20 macs, and they're currently running Panther (OS 10.3)

[michaewlewis]

what company?

[socrates]

Due to restrictions, I can't talk about the company I work for without having to worry about insider trading info... regardless of how little I say.  I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I prefer not to post that on here, I hope you understand.
 

[fred333]

That is totally understandable.

[michaewlewis]

That is a totally late reply.