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Schroedinger's Cat
« on: February 21, 2008, 07:04:03 PM »
Hi anyone I am SO! lets talk Quantum physics.

you may wanna read this before anything http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/ardlouis/dissipative/Schrcat.html

So....  we have this chart


Which explains a bit so far.

and this

A cat is placed in a box, together with a radioactive atom. If the atom decays, and the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle, the hammer hits a flask of prussic acid (HCN), killing the cat. The paradox lies in the clever coupling of quantum and classical domains. Before the observer opens the box, the cat's fate is tied to the wave function of the atom, which is itself in a superposition of decayed and undecayed states. Thus, said Schroedinger, the cat must itself be in a superposition of dead and alive states before the observer opens the box, ``observes'' the cat, and ``collapses'' it's wave function.

So I just started reading. so basically if the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle A hammer hits poison and kills the cat?  Ill keep reading...

So basically the cats live is stunned at life and death? and it takes energy from the human eye to fully kill the cat? Or is it opening the box that kills it?

Discuss.

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Re: Schroedinger's Cat
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 05:27:32 AM »
Do you study quantum physics?
I only have secondary school physics from a useless teacher (~high school?  Not sure) but I do know a little of this subject from fact-based science fiction and other materials.
As I understand it . . .
If the atom decays, which could theoretically happen at any time, the Geiger counter will detect it.  This then activates a hammer, which releases the prussic acid, killing the cat.
Someone outside the box will not know what has happened, therefore it is unknown whether the atom has decayed, and therefore whether the cat is alive or dead.
This principle is based on the theory that something must be observed in order to happen, so it is neither the energy from the human eye (none) nor opening the box that kills the cat or shows it to be alive, it is the fact of being observed.
When there are multiple states something could be in, and it has not yet been observed, that is a superposition - it is in both states at once, until observed.
The theory then goes further, to say that everything not observed is in a superposition of all possible states, unless or until there exists some entity that can observe the entire universe at once, as well as any parallel universes or dimensions that may exist that could have an impact on this universe.  Only then would everything be fixed into one state.

Anyway, that's how I understand it, I could be wrong and hopefully someone here has a better understanding than me.

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Re: Schroedinger's Cat
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 07:26:50 AM »
thats how I understanded it.

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Re: Schroedinger's Cat
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 12:18:54 PM »
Tha cat always escapes from the box way before the radioactive atom decays...thus the box now has an opening and after the atom decays and the hammer hits the vial releasing the prussic acid.
Therefore the first Human who comes along and curiosity gets the best of him he is killed from examining the box....

This is how i understand it.

P.S. This theory is what i used to disprove the old notion that "Curiosity killed the Cat" back in 1977.

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    Re: Schroedinger's Cat
    « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 10:24:43 PM »
    this is how i understand it. (see below)

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      Re: Schroedinger's Cat
      « Reply #5 on: June 26, 2010, 08:31:12 AM »
      WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT

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      Re: Schroedinger's Cat
      « Reply #6 on: June 26, 2010, 12:05:17 PM »
      The premise, conclusion, and dichotomy of Schroedinger's Cat is that the cat is both alive and dead at the same time. It's an age old paradox without a definitive solution. And why is this here in the first place (by a non-member)?
      « Last Edit: June 26, 2010, 12:19:43 PM by Allan »

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      Re: Schroedinger's Cat
      « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2010, 12:07:32 PM »
      If i recall correctly he left right after my analysis...
      " Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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      Re: Schroedinger's Cat
      « Reply #8 on: June 26, 2010, 12:18:47 PM »
      A good article on the subject..

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

      There are several books on the subject available on Amazon, like "Searching for Schroedinger's Cat" which I read several years ago and recommend if any one really wants to find out more about this subject.