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Would you use the ComputerHope Live Social Chat if it existed?

Yes, definately.
20 (60.6%)
Maybe (or neutral).
10 (30.3%)
Absolutely not.
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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2008, 04:32:05 PM »
Isn't it common sense NOT to accept files from someone you don't know?
Edit: I've been using IRC since i was thirteen years old.
I've been in some very busy channels.
I haven't heard of a single person I know getting any kind of virus from it.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2008, 04:39:41 PM »
User intervention maybe, but they mightn't know it's going on....

Look at what some viruses can do:
http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?uid=ecb1f877-d43c-4ee9-8c57-e8baacf1fafa
http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?uid=ad2fcf72-2bf3-480b-afc0-9bfe1d9c9711
http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?uid=57ba898d-e16c-49e6-8d89-476a2db8d863
http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?uid=c65ee866-5b26-4a10-b5e2-d1469c96e565
The point still remains: In order to get infected over IRC, you have to purposely accept a file from a person over IRC via DCC  (which, you can disable in your client if you want. I dont think any of the web interfaces are capable of sending IRC DCC, which is primarily what CH would be using if we went IRC)
If you dont know the person you are talking to, or dont know them very well, its the same as downloading a file they send you in an email or over messenger. Do you think it could be something bad, do you think they might do something like that? Then dont accept it.


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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2008, 04:41:11 PM »
Exactly. The point I'm trying to make is, IRC is no more inheriently dangerous than MSN messenger or AIM.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2008, 04:44:17 PM »
Personally...I think the thread has gone a little "off topic"...since the OP's original post was directed at whether anyone would use it or not.

I know he also wanted reasons, but I feel hacking or malware shouldn't be a reason.  Heck...do you know how many times your PC is attacked from the moment you turn it on?

Me...I'd use it...though it may be infrequent.  I also feel it would be a great addition to Computer Hope...hopefully keeping the "crap"  off the forum boards and out of sight...where it should be.

I've seen way too many threads go way off topic...and feel if a person needs to have a personal conversation with a buddy they met at CH...there are other ways to chat other than deface the forums with nonsense.

So whatever you guys decide to do...I'm behind you 100%.


Keep us posted, Zylstra!

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2008, 05:02:04 PM »
I've been using IRC for 3 years now, and I've never once run into anything like that.
But have you been using it on a popular site like Computer Hope that has thousands of members?

Isn't it common sense NOT to accept files from someone you don't know?
Take a look at the Off Topic forum and some of newer and/or technically unsavvy members...  I don't know about you, but I severely doubt the common sense of many of these people, especially when it comes to computers.



I'm not trying to feed into the argument or anything, but security issues are a valid concern, especially on a popular site like this.  Many people are familiar with us and we do make enemies now and then.  I'm certainly not saying that any of these things will happen, but they certainly could, and IRC does make it a bit easier.  It shouldn't stop the development of a chatroom (if it's decided that there should be one), but I think proper precautions need to be taken.
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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2008, 05:11:14 PM »
I think we will take the development of this idea in steps.
This topic is in fact for developing interest, "Would people use it if it were made?"

Chris, most of the people who might not understand the concept of accepting files over IRC will be using the web client, and not their own client. The web clients do not accept DCC file transfer, as well as many other features possible/available over IRC. Advanced features would be available to advanced users who understand how to install/work an advanced IRC client.

ComputerHope has in the past had an IRC network for support, and we never had problems with it. The chances of someone sending a virus over IRC are about the same as someone uploading one to ComputerHope in a ZIP file and saying its a log of some sort. (We once had a scare like that...  but the good point is that its only happened once.)

I think its fine that users ask questions about security, but, I can personally say:
I have been using IRC for a very long time, as well as JohnK, and millions of other people. IRC is very secure. In order to get a virus via IRC, you need to purposely download a file. In order to have your identify stolen, you have to purposely give out information. I think it will be important that we include an information alert when a user joins remind them to never download files from people who they do not trust, and to avoid giving out your personal information (including over personal chats) over the public internet, and also to REPORT users who do this.

But, for now, lets just get down to: Would you use it?
And security concerns can be discussed later when we come up with how this whole thing is going to work.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2008, 03:10:03 AM »
Isn't it common sense NOT to accept files from someone you don't know?
Edit: I've been using IRC since i was thirteen years old.
I've been in some very busy channels.
I haven't heard of a single person I know getting any kind of virus from it.

Sorry... We have a misunderstanding.

I don't mean getting the virus over IRC.... Did you look at the virus reports? They create bots on an IRC channel, which in turn try to dismantle the moderator bots.... Who knows what they could do after that is done?

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2008, 07:11:12 AM »
I dont think there will be many people in it I mean come on

Theres only about 20-30 of us that are active and keep in touch socially between each other.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2008, 07:11:44 AM »
That's enough. I know I will use it when I'm bored.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2008, 08:02:16 AM »
Isn't it common sense NOT to accept files from someone you don't know?
Edit: I've been using IRC since i was thirteen years old.
I've been in some very busy channels.
I haven't heard of a single person I know getting any kind of virus from it.



Sorry... We have a misunderstanding.

I don't mean getting the virus over IRC.... Did you look at the virus reports? They create bots on an IRC channel, which in turn try to dismantle the moderator bots.... Who knows what they could do after that is done?
You're missing my point. I've been using it for three years. I've been in channels with literally thousands of people. So many users that they had to overflow to a backup channel. I've never, in my entire life, seen anything like that. It exists, but what are the odds of it happening? I'll answer my own question. Slim to none. I know people who have been using IRC for over ten years. Have they seen anything like that either? No.
And IRC networks are run by people. If there's a problem, you find an IRCop, and you get them to deal with it.
I've been running a small personal network for over a year and a half. Trust me. I know my stuff.

Also, to quote zylstra,
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ComputerHope has in the past had an IRC network for support, and we never had problems with it. The chances of someone sending a virus over IRC are about the same as someone uploading one to ComputerHope in a ZIP file and saying its a log of some sort. (We once had a scare like that...  but the good point is that its only happened once.)
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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2008, 08:09:32 AM »
Agreed^

Lets just get something set up and in the mean time relax.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2008, 08:34:26 AM »
Yeah, ComputerHope Chat Beta.

If it doesn't work, we can take it down.

To quote my Geography teacher:
If someone doesn't make a move, change will never happen.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »
Yeah, ComputerHope Chat Beta.

If it doesn't work, we can take it down.

To quote my Geography teacher:
If someone doesn't make a move, change will never happen.


Dont you mean alpha?

lulz anyways. Freewebs has something like a chatroom I was browsing through google today.

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2008, 04:21:17 PM »
Okay, JohnK.....

Well don't say I didn't warn you.... Just incase anything happens...

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Re: A CH Social Chatroom
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2008, 04:47:19 PM »
Okay, JohnK.....

Well don't say I didn't warn you.... Just incase anything happens...
What about IRC is so scary for you?
Seriously?
Have you even really ever used it or are you just petrified of the unknown? :P
I'm going to repeat this one more time. I've been using it for THREE years. And i have NEVER seen or even heard of anything like that. So go ahead, be blindly afraid of something, don't listen to what I have to say.