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We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« on: December 19, 2008, 05:22:40 PM »
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - The group representing the U.S. recording industry said Friday it has abandoned its policy of suing people for sharing songs protected by copyright and will work with Internet service providers to cut abusers' access if they ignore repeated warnings.

The move ends a controversial program that saw the Recording Industry Association of America sue about 35,000 people since 2003 for swapping songs online. Because of high legal costs for defenders, virtually all of those hit with lawsuits settled, on average for around $3,500. The association's legal costs, in the meantime, exceeded the settlement money it brought in.

The association said Friday that it stopped sending out new lawsuits and warnings in August, and then agreed with several leading U.S. Internet service providers, without naming which ones, to notify alleged illegal file-sharers and cut off service if they failed to stop.

It credited the lawsuit campaign with raising awareness of piracy and keeping the number of illegal file-sharers in check while the legal market for digital music took off. With two weeks left in the year, legitimate sales of digital music tracks soared for the first time past the 1 billion mark, up 28 percent over all of last year, according to Nielsen Soundscan.

"We're at a point where there's a sense of comfort that we can replace one form of deterrent with another form of deterrent," said RIAA Chairman and Chief Executive Mitch Bainwol. "Filing lawsuits as a strategy to deal with a big problem was not our first choice five years ago."

The new notification program is also more efficient, he said, having sent out more notices in the few months since it started than in the five years of the lawsuit campaign.

"It's much easier to send notices than it is to file lawsuits," Bainwol said.

The decision to scrap the legal attack was first reported in The Wall Street Journal.

The group says it will still continue to litigate outstanding cases, most of which are in the pre-lawsuit warning stage, but some of which are before the courts.

The decision to press on with existing cases drew the ire of Harvard Law professor Charles Nesson, who is defending a Boston University graduate student targeted in one of the music industry's lawsuits.

"If it's a bad idea, it's a bad idea," said Nesson. He is challenging the constitutionality of the suits, which, based on the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999, can impose damages of $150,000 per infringement, far in excess of the actual damage caused.

Nesson's client, Joel Tenenbaum, faces the possibility of more than $1 million in damages for allegedly downloading seven songs illegally, which Nesson called "cruel and unusual punishment." The case is set to go to trial in district court in Massachusetts on Jan. 22.

Brian Toder, a lawyer with Chestnut & Cambronne in Minneapolis, who defended single mother Jammie Thomas in a copyright suit filed by the RIAA, said he is also set to retry the case March 9 after a judge threw out a $222,000 decision against her.

"I think it's a good thing that they've ended this campaign of going after people," Toder said.

"But they need to change how people spend money on records," he said. "People like to share music. The Internet makes it so easy. They have to do something to change this business model of theirs."


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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 05:30:57 PM »
I just saw that .... awesome  ;D

Why not just have a small non obtrusive advert that displays an ad that user is interested in seeing while downloading a music, then the guys get their royalties which is what I think copyright problems usually come by.

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 06:02:35 PM »
I'd like to point out, that we can now see very clearly...they don't give a crap about copyright issues. It's all about greed:
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The association's legal costs, in the meantime, exceeded the settlement money it brought in.
We obviously knew this before, but it's nice to see this in open view :)

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 07:06:43 PM »
the whole charade was just the RIAA turning the courts into their personal playground.

Their are more important cases out there. you know, ACTUAL crime, like murders,rape, assault, etc.

Sure, it's a crime to download content illegally; but so is shoplifting, and you don't see any shoplifters sued for a million dollars for stealing a CD with 7 songs. the entire lawset that governs the protection of intellectual data is completely out of proportion to the point where it is somehow more valuable then physical property. Basically, the "idea" for an invention is  more valuable then any physical entity based upon that idea; that makes sense; somebody could steal that idea and make a bucketload. Applying the same principle to digital media is some kind of appropriate simile.
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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 03:52:49 AM »
I don't see this as a victory at all.  Thanks to this case, the RIAA has more power now that they're teaming up with ISP's...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/155820/.html?tk=rss_main
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008, 08:40:20 PM »
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The group says it will work directly with Internet service providers to go after people it believes are illegally sharing files. RIAA will notify an ISP, which will then warn the user and ultimately suspend or discontinue his access if a change is not observed.
I think, it's a huge difference between being sued, and having some service disconnected.
We even don't know how far ISP will go. Money (losing a customer) is talking to them, too.
Actually, my friend received an email from Comcast about copyright violation. It ended up in a waste basket.
What's next? He doesn't know, and we don't know, either.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 12:09:41 AM »
Likely nothing, I've known many people to get such a letter from both comcast and Verizon, neither saw any thing thereafter. I think its just a bunch of hot air, the RIAA can just launch there organization into the sun for all I care, there a joke.

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2008, 12:33:39 AM »
heh, they are all just idle threats.

the provincial government has been trying to charge me for my supposedly "free" healthcare at 52$ a month- not bad, really, but it's the principle of the thing. It's basically a mandatory health insurance, just like in the U.S, but we don't get to "shop around" so to speak, it has to be through the "medical services plan" of british Columbia.

Besides, they owe me 800$ from my last tax return. Or they would have if I sent it in.

heh, and then they send a letter about a year ago, basically saying they were going to take it out my bank account. Unfortunately for them, however, I don't use google chrome, which might be one reason I haven't seen a penny missing. Ha.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2008, 09:07:10 AM »
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I don't use google chrome, which might be one reason I haven't seen a penny missing
Very good tip to avoid IRS collection ;D

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 01:29:54 PM »
Just buy a safe man, simplest bank in the world, house can sizzle to ashes and it'll still be sitting there. Burried probably, but that just prevents some *censored* firefighter from trying to loot it ;D

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 04:13:49 PM »
Nothing was won...and i agree with Chris on this...
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 10:33:51 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

I think you missed the point.

The situation is now much worse. think about it. If the RIAA is in league with ISPs, and we depend on the ISPs for internet access, the RIAA essentially can control where and when we browse.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 11:23:30 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

That argument doesn't really work anymore. Amazon, iTunes, and all sorts of other sites/services allow you to purchase single songs.  People haven't been forced to buy whole CD's for a long time.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 01:43:28 PM »
    I believe this is but another "shoe" to drop. Yes the ISP has a conflict of interest  (RIAA/customer). However the test of that conflict will occur if/when the RIAA decides to take an ISP to court for not monitoring/controlling it's clients habits of use. truenorth

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    « Reply #15 on: January 01, 2009, 06:31:05 PM »
    Which means as Chris stated NOTHING here has been won...
    As a matter of fact expect it to get worse....
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    « Reply #16 on: January 01, 2009, 09:35:36 PM »
    so you more suing for downloading things illeglay! now how bout the anti piracy movie thingy

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      « Reply #17 on: January 01, 2009, 10:11:50 PM »
      I doubt the ISPs will do anything.

      Probably 20% of internet users have at some time, illegally downloaded something.

      With around 50 million net users in America, thats TEN million users lost. Multiplied by around $30 a month, this is a total loss of $300 Million a month. or $3.6 Billion a year.

      Not to mention it would cripple online sales. Too much to be lost. I think we're safe.

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      « Reply #18 on: January 01, 2009, 10:17:55 PM »
      I totally agree.
      Scare tactics, that's all.
      If RIAA couldn't do it by itself, why would they believe, ISPs will do better in that matter?
      If facing a court didn't scare people off, why would disconnecting internet service do better?

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      « Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 10:10:40 AM »
      just remember the lyrics to "don't download this song".


      Cause you start out stealing songs,
      then your robbing liquor stores,
      and selling crack,
      and running over schoolkids with your car!


      see people, software/music piracy is a gateway crime.

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      Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
      « Reply #20 on: January 02, 2009, 10:42:29 AM »
      Luckily, Al is using Chrome, so I checked his computer, and guess what??
      ...found a lot of bootleg Metallica songs....LOL

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      « Reply #21 on: January 02, 2009, 10:53:27 AM »
      i LOVE that song by weird al! so dont download this song! the record stores where you  belong!

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      « Reply #22 on: January 02, 2009, 10:57:38 AM »
      i LOVE that song by weird al! so dont download this song! the record stores where you  belong!

      Albuquerque is my favourite of his so far.


      Luckily, Al is using Chrome, so I checked his computer, and guess what??
      ...found a lot of bootleg Metallica songs....LOL
      OH! the Irony!
      well, like it says,


      doesn't matter if your a grandma, or a Seven year old girl, they'll treat you like the evil hardened criminal that you are
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      « Reply #23 on: January 02, 2009, 11:02:59 AM »
      ya and if you pirate music how is he soppesed to afford his golden humvees and stuff like that

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      « Reply #24 on: January 03, 2009, 06:27:25 PM »
      Despite the bad grammar used by Ruler, I agree, the people running the RIAA and music industry are rich enough. I grew up with my father, who, raised us scraping in barely a grand each month from disability since his back went out about 16 years ago. I never had money for nothin', let alone to pay for music, a service, which, throughout time up until records, was free. This is just pointless, whats next? They going to try to make us pay to breath? They already make us pay for everything else, can't so much as fart anymore without them wanting to charge you for pollution. Things have gotten out of hand, too much power has been handed to individuals like the people running the RIAA, we have the right to surf the web privately and freely as we choose to do so. This country, and seemingly the rest of the "Civilized" world is going straight into a brick wall because of policies put in place to ensure our "Safety and well being".

      Just stop and think, every paper currency has eventually become obsolete, and replaced time and time again with coin, every civilization, no matter how great, has eventually become obsolete, unable to cope with times, and it falls. The same is true for modern society, things won't last forever. Stop bickering and enjoy what little you got, take what you can and don't look back. Life won't stay this good forever, its bound to come to a screeching halt sooner or later. You want to live knowing all you did in your life was work for a dollar if or when that happens? Assuming you live through it.

      My only advise to anyone to busy to worry about material items like currency, clothing, any such item, is simply this; Take what you can, don't look back, live your life as you choose to do so. You may not be accomplishing anything in some peoples eyes, but you will at least be free, and that's all any one person can ask for, our birthright, which, is simply, freedom if your willing to fight for it. Nothing comes free, nothing comes without consequences, that's why I just enjoy being able to sit on my *censored* for the time being and do nothin'. Accept what you got, or don't, be greedy if you choose, its the freedom were all given. Freedom to do what we please, when we please. Others wish to control that freedom, I say, to *censored* with them. The only way they'll control what I do is if I'm dead.

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      « Reply #25 on: January 03, 2009, 06:53:17 PM »
      i was refering to the song by weird al.  You should listen to it.  Good song

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      « Reply #26 on: January 04, 2009, 09:59:09 AM »
      confirmation bias.
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      « Reply #27 on: January 04, 2009, 11:46:07 AM »
      the whole charade was just the RIAA turning the courts into their personal playground.

      Their are more important cases out there. you know, ACTUAL crime, like murders,rape, assault, etc.

      Copying copyrighted material is an ACTUAL crime, last time I checked anyway. It's against the law. People break that law. Doesn't that make it a crime?

      Not saying they were right, just saying it's still a crime, although perhaps a minor one.

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      Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
      « Reply #28 on: January 04, 2009, 11:53:12 AM »
      It's an actual crime, I am not denying that...

      but it almost seems like their putting far to much effort into it, as opposed to those where people are actually enduring physical and mental hardship as a result of a crime commited. I don't think the artists cry themselves asleep because their music was downloaded. (Although I have no way to confirm that).

      It would be like going after somebody whose drove a red light with the SWAT team and FBI.


      My opinion is that they should be going after the distribution points rather then the people using those distribution points. there are far fewer places to download illegal content then there are people downloading the content.
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      « Reply #29 on: January 04, 2009, 01:50:28 PM »
      I agree with BBC, attacking the ISP's because people choose to download content illegally is like, attacking the patrol cops because they can't be everywhere at once to catch every single guy who speed's or runs a red light.

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      « Reply #30 on: January 04, 2009, 05:43:34 PM »
      My opinion is that they should be going after the distribution points rather then the people using those distribution points. there are far fewer places to download illegal content then there are people downloading the content.

      The only problem with that is that they have servers hosted in other countries and the authorities often can't do anything about it.
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      « Reply #31 on: January 04, 2009, 07:27:10 PM »
      Yeah, its not like there going to try to pin, oh say, Russia, or North Korea to pirating. They can't, they can't really do anything.

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      « Reply #32 on: January 04, 2009, 07:31:07 PM »
      Yeah, its not like there going to try to pin, oh say, Russia, or North Korea to pirating. They can't, they can't really do anything.

      Which is why this isn't a win. They can however go after our ISP's and put restrictions on everyone. No matter if you are the one targeted or not.

      It will only get worse from here. The RIAA has been at their agenda for years and not gone away. They just keep pushing until they find a legal avenue that's open to them.

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      « Reply #33 on: January 04, 2009, 07:43:09 PM »
      Nothing personal, NOT to take sides, but from the objective point of view, it'll never happen.
      For one reason.
      It's a classic example of "weapon and anti-weapon" game, which has been played since we lived in caves, and never won by either side.

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      « Reply #34 on: January 04, 2009, 07:52:35 PM »
      Don't forget the RIAA has been around since 1952 with the same goal all along.

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      The RIAA's goals[1] are:

         1. to protect intellectual property rights worldwide and the First Amendment rights of artists;
         2. to perform research about the music industry;
         3. to monitor and review relevant laws, regulations and policies.

      I'm not saying they will get everything they want, and hopefully they won't,  but they will eventually find a medium that makes them happy...for now. Then they will be off on another mission. Remember, this is a group of lawyers who not only love their job but likely have a hefty bonus waiting for everything positive they do. There is a lot of incentive for them to win and it likely isn't about protecting anyones rights but more about not loosing their fight.

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      « Reply #35 on: January 04, 2009, 07:57:30 PM »
      Very well said.
      I still believe in my previous reply, though. :)

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      « Reply #36 on: January 05, 2009, 05:49:46 PM »
      There about as apt to do more than bother me than the anti-gun activists are to take away the semi-automatic Bulgarian SSR AK-47 my friend is getting me soon. As in, through a hail of 7.62x39mm FMJ, and over my dead body.

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      « Reply #37 on: January 05, 2009, 07:36:16 PM »
      what do you need a AK-47 for? shooting squirrels?


      EDIT: oh wait, that's what bazookas are for.  ;D
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      « Reply #38 on: January 05, 2009, 10:05:18 PM »
      Nah, just for shootin', get bored, goto the range. I'mma get a place in Roanoke County in a few years. When I do, appliances better not fail if they want a quick death. Oh, that friend of mine also plans to get a me a East German 9x18mm Makarov PM handgun when I turn 21 in two years.

      Oh, the AK is good here in the city for scaring off sales men, doesn't have to be loaded. Point it at 'em, they'll run, fast.

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      « Reply #39 on: January 05, 2009, 11:59:29 PM »

      Oh, the AK is good here in the city for scaring off sales men, doesn't have to be loaded. Point it at 'em, they'll run, fast.

      works for all solicitors! Jehovah's witnesses too!

      "hello, have you heard the word of our lord in your ear?"

      "No, but if you don't want a bullet going through both your ears you'll turn round and leave."


      *they leave, talk to each other*


      "well, he was a nice fellow."




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      « Reply #40 on: January 06, 2009, 11:24:40 AM »
      What about Mormons or Catholics? Tend to get a lot of them knocking on my door here, mostly the latter.

      Oh, here's a funny quote from Fallout 3:

      "Photons have mass? I didn't even know they where Catholic!"

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        Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
        « Reply #41 on: January 07, 2009, 04:45:36 PM »
        hate to drag you all back to topic but this article crossed my attention today.Thought it might be of interest.truenorth
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123109364085551895.html?mod=sphere_ts&mod=sphere_wd

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        Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
        « Reply #42 on: January 07, 2009, 04:49:09 PM »
        Nice :)

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        Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
        « Reply #43 on: January 08, 2009, 12:17:58 AM »
        Wasn't I just saying the RIAA is a bunch of hot air?