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Re: Ram problems with vista.
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2009, 10:30:05 PM »
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Vista's a massive memory hog.
Nonsense!

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Re: Ram problems with vista.
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2009, 10:33:33 PM »
...its constantly using about 650-730 mb of ram.
I think that's normal for Vista. :-\

Vista's a massive memory hog.  I've heard of it using up to a Gig of RAM, just sitting there without any program running!

yeah, it's much better to keep as much physical memory free as possible. Most data access should occur through slow hard disk reads rather then be precached into low priority deletable pages of physical RAM for quick access. What's the point of buying, say 2 or 4 gigs of RAM if the computer isn't even gonna use it intelligently?
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    Re: Ram problems with vista.
    « Reply #17 on: January 21, 2009, 10:38:04 PM »
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    Vista's a massive memory hog.
    Nonsense!
    Compared to XP, Vista needs to spend a year at the Biggest Looser ranch.  ;)

    What's the point of buying, say 2 or 4 gigs of RAM if the computer isn't even gonna use it intelligently?
    Exactly.
      

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    Re: Ram problems with vista.
    « Reply #18 on: January 21, 2009, 10:43:05 PM »
    What's the point of buying, say 2 or 4 gigs of RAM if the computer isn't even gonna use it intelligently?
    Exactly.

    Yes. Exactly.

    Vista uses it far more intelligently then XP ever did. XP essentially tried to keep as much RAM free as possible. THIS IS A BAD THING. that memory that was so expensive sits unused half the time, using up electricity unnecessarily. Vista uses SuperFetch, which caches often used data (programs, files, anything, really). Although my the strictest definition, this RAM isn't "used" at all, since the moment another application requests memory and there is none available, SmartFetch purges less-often used entries from the cache. So even though it says that the RAM is used... it won't be the moment an application requires that "used" RAM, so it isn't used except by the tightest definition.
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    Re: Ram problems with vista.
    « Reply #19 on: January 22, 2009, 09:18:25 AM »
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    For how long have you been using Vista?
    Did you at least read anything about RAM handling by Vista? Like this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000688.html

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      Re: Ram problems with vista.
      « Reply #20 on: January 22, 2009, 01:21:50 PM »
      I'm going off its performance, and how much ram its useing. It couldn't have been using 700mb since i got it, because it could run WoW before and that uses 512 mb. I'm gonna run the program broni suggested, and get back to you guys.

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        Re: Ram problems with vista.
        « Reply #21 on: January 22, 2009, 01:31:12 PM »
        OK so broni, you wanted me to post the logfile, right?


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        Re: Ram problems with vista.
        « Reply #22 on: January 22, 2009, 02:20:48 PM »
        Yes, please.

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          Re: Ram problems with vista.
          « Reply #23 on: January 22, 2009, 02:24:41 PM »
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            Re: Ram problems with vista.
            « Reply #24 on: January 22, 2009, 04:58:35 PM »
            ok
            1st 95% you can add ram you just have to look at book or look up your system see how much ram you hold.

            2nd task manager will show you under the tab process which is running like crazy. Most the time its idle but that shouldnt affect you :)

            3rd  after you find the program thats running alot you can end task it but make sure its just a program trying to run not any windows components etc. Always check folder its in.

            also i see you have toolbars running there really not necessary an can be shut off in the browser view area. Not sure if you use them but no need for those runnin. Hope some of this may help you!

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            Re: Ram problems with vista.
            « Reply #25 on: January 22, 2009, 05:10:26 PM »
            After seeing the HJT log, I'd say the slowness is probably caused by a combination of a few factors:
            1. Low RAM (Vista likes 2GB); I don't know, what processor you have, but Vista likes dual core
            2. Norton = hog
            3. Number of unnecessary startups.

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              Re: Ram problems with vista.
              « Reply #26 on: January 22, 2009, 06:47:39 PM »
              I'm gonna delete nortan, and i'm gonna use dr. web thats a better one right?

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              Re: Ram problems with vista.
              « Reply #27 on: January 22, 2009, 06:51:37 PM »
              No. Dr. Web doesn't give you real time protection.
              Your free choices are:

              - Avast! free antivirus: http://filehippo.com/download_avast_antivirus/
              - Avira free antivirus: http://www.free-av.com/en/download/index.html

              - free PC Tools Firewall Plus: http://www.pctools.com/firewall/

              - free Comodo Internet Security (firewall + AV): http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/

              If you decide to install Avast, or Avira, make sure, Windows firewall is turned on, or use PC Tools Firewall Plus.
              If you decide to install Comodo, make sure, Windows firewall is turned off.

              IMPORTANT! Make sure, you use only ONE antivirus, and ONE firewall.

              To uninstall Norton, use Norton Removal Tool: http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

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                Re: Ram problems with vista.
                « Reply #28 on: January 22, 2009, 06:58:13 PM »
                OK thank you so much! hopfully after all this my computer will run normally again. The other guy recomended adding more ram but with a laptop thats not really a good option right?

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                Re: Ram problems with vista.
                « Reply #29 on: January 22, 2009, 07:00:01 PM »
                Why not? What brand, and model is it?