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    « on: January 31, 2009, 05:25:10 PM »
    I have a PC but I am doing a lot of looking around the net about Macs and why you should get it over PC.

    They say you Get no no no Vireuses.
    But now that they have Intel CPUs in them and you can run Windows on them am I right that that is all over with??

    They say you can Customize it a lot in settings but can you Cumstomize it in settings more then a PC???

    And am I right that you can never ad more RAM or Hard Drives??

    I wanted to here from anyone who owns a Mac and here what they have to tell me??

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    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 05:28:35 PM »
    Macs can get viruses and they also are not as sucure as everyone things.  If you get a virus on a mac your screwed.  With mac you can only have one dock and with windows you can get a program that lets you have multiple ones.  There are more programs for custimizing windows than mac too.  You can add ram and hdds to macs.  IMO get windows

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      « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 05:35:36 PM »
      As far as viruses go, macs have actually been recieving them lately.  Source:http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16296
      If you actually read the article it says that the trojan was obtained through illicit downloads and I'm by no means implying that you are pirating.  I'm simply trying to prove that trojans may become more popular on macs in the future.

      I found a little information about upgrading the RAM on a mac here:http://www.macworld.com/article/49263/2006/02/speedram.html
      I'm not sure about upgrading hdd's (well I know it's possible) but you can always use an external drive for most files.

      There was an article quite a while ago, not sure where I found it, but macs were actually voted the better platform for running windows; ironic right?  My personal view on macs is that they're nice looking, have pretty good software, but are a little over priced.  Given the choice I would use a pc over a mac of the same price because I'm likely to get more bang for my buck.  Compatibility on a mac is wonderful but it all depends on wether or not the extra bump in price is worth it.

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        « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 07:22:58 AM »
        Hello everyone

        I have been using MACS for well over 10yrs. This is the same story dating since the beginning fo computer time. While yes MAC r more expensive they do offer a lot more then any wind's pc. first as for customer service the r rates in the top 2 ( uaually  #1). U deal with only one company, not the run around as with a wins machine ( this is a hardware vs a software), we do do not support this contact other vendor. Also when u get your MAC it brings every software to edit  home movies and burn them into DVDs not to mention iPhoto, iWeb, Garage along with all the other freebies.. Some of the FREE office suite will put MS office into the ground. Yes there r virus like any other OS, but remember this is a UNIX System. It only affect the user the login, not the enter System. 

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        « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 11:08:17 AM »
        Liniux is a much better UNIX then mac.  I would like to see a free office suite better than microsoft office too.   And all those free programs are pretty usless anyways

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        « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 11:36:00 AM »
        Liniux is a much better UNIX then mac.  I would like to see a free office suite better than microsoft office too.   

        OpenOffice.  ::)
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        « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 11:43:11 AM »
        Our school has open office and its the worst this ever

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        « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 11:59:23 AM »
        Our school has open office and its the worst this ever

        ^^^^^
        OPINION

        You've also stated that your schools computers aren't very quick to begin with, so your already performing a imbalanced comparison.
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        Re: Mac or PC help
        « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 12:10:06 PM »
        Still not good no matter what computer its run on.  Its very stupid too and it messes up like number ordering and stuff and it will only let you do it a certain way with no way to turn it off

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        « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 01:32:06 PM »
        Not like MS Word is much better...


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        « Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 01:33:41 PM »
        EXACTLY.


        I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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        « Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 01:40:37 PM »
        I still think its a little better then open office though.  There accually is a way to fix it in MS office after enough messing around but not in open office!

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          « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2009, 01:41:00 PM »
          Word 2007.....crap

          why couldn't MS just stick with the design that was of Word 03 and 97?!?!
          If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

          Thats why Bill Gates created the Windows NT Family.

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          « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2009, 01:41:59 PM »
          Word 2007.....crap

          why couldn't MS just stick with the design that was of Word 03 and 97?!?!


          There is a very good reason for moving to the ribbon.

          People said the same thing when moving from keyboard shortcuts to toolbars.
          I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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            « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 01:44:12 PM »
            you cant find all the features for Word....you have to scroll through a list to add them to the Custom bar at the very top. and who cares about looks....fuctionallity is what people need.

            having those toolbars are much better than having to remember the key combination to access some of the features on Word 07
            If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

            Thats why Bill Gates created the Windows NT Family.

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            « Reply #15 on: February 22, 2009, 01:46:54 PM »
            I care about looks....

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              « Reply #17 on: February 22, 2009, 01:51:27 PM »
              having those toolbars are much better than having to remember the key combination to access some of the features on Word 07

              That's half my point.

              You know what people said then? "Why couldn't they just do it the way they've always done it?"

              technically Excel has had  a "ribbon" since it's earliest versions...



              Here, this changed my perspective on the ribbon interface.
              http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/

              I'm still pissed though because there isn't a vbaccelerator Ribbon control  >:( lol
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                « Reply #18 on: February 22, 2009, 01:56:53 PM »
                yea, i get the point of the article, but it just still seems to be a pain in the neck to find the feature you want to use in Word 07.
                If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

                Thats why Bill Gates created the Windows NT Family.

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                « Reply #19 on: February 22, 2009, 02:01:19 PM »
                agreed- but basically they wanted to make it easier for beginners to learn to use it. "Experts" can usually pidgeon-toe a piecemeal way of using it.


                this is what they did from VB6 to .NET so at least they ae consistent.
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                  « Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 06:24:07 PM »
                  i dont think the transition from VB6 to .NET had as much flak as like the 03 to 07 Word deal.

                  but heck..i dont even know any of the key combinations for word processing(besides Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V for copy and paste)
                  If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

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                    « Reply #21 on: February 22, 2009, 07:58:40 PM »
                    i dont think the transition from VB6 to .NET had as much flak as like the 03 to 07 Word deal.

                    but heck..i dont even know any of the key combinations for word processing(besides Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V for copy and paste)

                    Same

                    Id stick with a PC/Windows.

                    Computerruler is Right its easy to upgrade and has way more places to Customize.
                    And about the dealing with tons of companys for software Just come here!

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                      « Reply #22 on: February 23, 2009, 05:56:29 AM »
                      it just seems that Apple doesnt have many programs that they made that are "Useful"
                      Iphoto, IMovie, Garage, etc. are fine dont get me wrong, but i mean...there isnt a disk defrag, no admin software...etc.
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                      « Reply #23 on: February 23, 2009, 09:46:43 AM »
                      i dont think the transition from VB6 to .NET had as much flak as like the 03 to 07 Word deal.

                      Basically you've just revealed that you haven't done a lot of VB6 programming...

                      Yes it did. .NET made it easier for beginners to do things. meanwhile, experts where expected to throw out all their code and start fresh. between my 128 generic Class modules and 116 code modules, not to mention 40 or so VB6 projects, I don't really feel like "starting fresh" with a product from a vendor who pulled the plug on their most successful development product, simply so they could bastardize it, throw it in .NET and claim it is the same thing. Especially since with one fell swoop any COM development became "legacy".

                      There was no reason except to push .NET that Microsoft couldn't have created a VBA and COM based development language- this is fairly certain, since- for example - Word 2007 still has VBA automation. And to add to this- FoxPro is still compatible with older databases, and based on COM.


                      Additionally- there are few things I've seen aside syntactic sugar that .NET has that I cannot duplicate with VB6 and a little research.



                      As for key combinations- I've got far too many of VB6's memorized.

                      Any guess why I use Control+Shift+F2 a lot?  ;D

                      I use home and end and ctrl+Arrows a lot in various locations- such as this post.




                      That's not to say what is Visual Basic .NET is a bad language- it definitely adds a lot of stuff we asked for, such as implementation inheritance. But if using these features means dumping all my own code, I think I'll pass.
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                        « Reply #24 on: February 23, 2009, 12:49:02 PM »
                        nah..i've made many programs in VB6.
                        but yea the kinda made .NET seem "smoothed and padded" but heck...im still a learner of it.
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                        « Reply #25 on: February 23, 2009, 01:13:19 PM »
                        nah..i've made many programs in VB6.

                        Obviously not as many as I have if you think VB6 to .NET is less then the Office 2003 2007 change.

                        really- you cannot compare them. Office is a user-targeted... Office program suite. Visual Studio is aimed at developers.

                        It's harder to learn a programming language, and it's even harder to become proficient enough at it to have tidbits of code like this:


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                        Public Function ShowShellContextMenu(hwndOwner As Long, _
                                                                                        isfParent As olelib.IShellFolder, _
                                                                                        cPidls As Long, _
                                                                                        pidlRel As Long, _
                                                                                        pt As PointAPI) As Boolean
                          Dim IID_IContextMenu As olelib.UUID
                          Dim IID_IContextMenu2 As olelib.UUID
                         
                          Dim icm As IContextMenu
                          Dim hr As Long   ' HRESULT
                          Dim hMenu As Long
                          Dim idCmd As Long, temppunk As olelib.IUnknown
                          Dim cmi As CMINVOKECOMMANDINFO
                          Dim icmPtr As Long
                          ' Fill the IContextMenu interface ID, {000214E4-000-000-C000-000000046}
                          'old code used IShellFolder library, but didn't work properly.
                          'Edanmo's lib doesn't include a few things, and uses long pointers instead of objects.
                          'but we can work around that.
                          Call DEFINE_OLEGUID(IID_IContextMenu, &H214E4, 0, 0)
                           
                           
                          ' Get a refernce to the item's IContextMenu interface
                          icmPtr = isfParent.GetUIObjectOf(hwndOwner, cPidls, pidlRel, IID_IContextMenu, 0)
                          'copy icmPtr into the object for use.
                          CopyMemory icm, icmPtr, 4
                          'gawd I can't believe I'm actually successful with a lot of this.
                          If SUCCEEDED(hr) Then
                           
                            ' Fill the IContextMenu2 interface ID, {000214F4-000-000-C000-000000046}
                            ' and get the folder's IContextMenu2. Is needed so the "Send To" and "Open
                            ' With" submenus get filled from the HandleMenuMsg call in FrmWndProc.
                           
                            Call DEFINE_OLEGUID(IID_IContextMenu2, &H214F4, 0, 0)
                            'can't use query interface on icm- use temporary Iunknown.
                            Set temppunk = icm
                            Dim Ictxmenu2ptr As Long
                            Call temppunk.QueryInterface(IID_IContextMenu2, Ictxmenu2ptr)
                            If Ictxmenu2ptr <> 0 Then
                                CopyMemory ICtxMenu2, Ictxmenu2ptr, 4
                            End If
                           
                            ' Create a new popup menu...
                            hMenu = CreatePopupMenu()
                            If hMenu Then

                              ' Add the item's shell commands to the popup menu.
                              If (ICtxMenu2 Is Nothing) = False Then
                                Call ICtxMenu2.QueryContextMenu(hMenu, 0, 1, &H7FFF, CMF_EXPLORE)
                              Else
                                'if no IContextMenu2 (probably Win95, or NT4.)
                                Call icm.QueryContextMenu(hMenu, 0, 1, &H7FFF, CMF_EXPLORE)
                              End If
                              If SUCCEEDED(hr) Then
                                Dim MenuClasser As CContextSubClasser
                                ' Show the item's context menu-
                                'BUT FIRST-
                                'create the CContextSubClasser class, and initialize it. It should handle events so that such things as the Send To Menu are populated correctly.
                                If Not ICtxMenu2 Is Nothing Then
                                    Set MenuClasser = New CContextSubClasser
                                    Debug.Print "Initializing MenuClasser...."
                                    MenuClasser.Init hwndOwner, ICtxMenu2
                                End If
                                idCmd = TrackPopupMenu(hMenu, _
                                                                            TPM_LEFTBUTTON Or TPM_RIGHTBUTTON Or _
                                                                            TPM_LEFTALIGN Or TPM_TOPALIGN Or _
                                                                            TPM_HORIZONTAL Or TPM_RETURNCMD, _
                                                                            pt.x, pt.y, 0, hwndOwner, 0)
                                                                           
                                Set MenuClasser = Nothing
                                ' If a menu command is selected...
                                If idCmd Then
                                 
                                  ' Fill the struct with the selected command's information.
                                  With cmi
                                    .cbSize = Len(cmi)
                                    .hwnd = hwndOwner
                                    .lpVerb = idCmd - 1 ' MAKEINTRESOURCE(idCmd-1);
                                    .nShow = SW_SHOWNORMAL
                                  End With

                                  ' Invoke the shell's context menu command. The call itself does
                                  ' not err if the pidlRel item is invalid, but depending on the selected
                                  ' command, Explorer *may* raise an err. We don't need the return
                                  ' val, which should always be NOERROR anyway...
                                  If (ICtxMenu2 Is Nothing) = False Then
                                    Call ICtxMenu2.InvokeCommand(cmi)
                                  Else
                                    Call icm.InvokeCommand(cmi)
                                  End If
                                 
                                End If   ' idCmd
                              End If   ' hr >= NOERROR (QueryContextMenu)

                              Call DestroyMenu(hMenu)
                           
                            End If   ' hMenu
                          End If   ' hr >= NOERROR (GetUIObjectOf)

                          ' Release the folder's IContextMenu2 from the global variable.
                          Set ICtxMenu2 = Nothing
                         
                          ' Returns True if a menu command was selected
                          ' (letting us know to explicitly select the right clicked object, if needed)
                          ShowShellContextMenu = CBool(idCmd)

                        End Function

                        Alright... So it's not a "tidbit"...


                        I put forth the challenge of showing the right-click explorer menu for a file using .NET. Not sure if the framework provides it...

                        Anyway, what I'm trying to say is although it's not always easy to learn a Word processor- it's easy to learn the basics. However, with programming, the basics don't often cover what you want to do. With VB6, I hit my head against this wall quickly. Thus my now constant use of direct calls to the API to work around it's limitations.

                        Most people who use office, on the other hand, don't  hit this brick wall. They use a few basic functions of the word processor, and it's quite sufficient.

                        Basically, the Ribbon was a way to "beginner-friendlyize" the swath of commands that were in the menus and commandbars of previous versions. As an example, how often do most users open the VBA editor, or perform Mail Merge or create pivot tables?

                        my guess is not often. However having these options in the menus distracts beginners from whatever it is they are looking for.

                        Although I must admit that it is a pain for office veterans; but it's not as bad as VB2 through 6 veterans...
                        I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                          « Reply #26 on: February 23, 2009, 05:04:09 PM »
                          pretty much your comparing something that you can learn to use in a day compaired to something you have to get certified(or take a course) to learn.

                          If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

                          Thats why Bill Gates created the Windows NT Family.

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                          « Reply #27 on: February 23, 2009, 05:32:35 PM »
                          yeah, exactly- the thing is they shouldn't be changing the programming languages willy-nilly; especially not with such a vast modification to the entire core.
                          I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                            « Reply #28 on: February 23, 2009, 05:47:30 PM »
                            whoa....computeruler....your stat bar is all trippy now?
                            *censored*?
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                            « Reply #29 on: February 23, 2009, 05:58:01 PM »
                            1337 posts.

                             LEET.
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                            « Reply #30 on: February 23, 2009, 05:58:07 PM »
                            Ya i think i had 1337 posts at the time.  Thats why and now its not there.  I wish it was stuck that way for ever  >:( >:(  Look in dons

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                              « Reply #31 on: February 24, 2009, 06:10:01 AM »
                              lol huh...isnt that the same number for firewire? 1337
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                              « Reply #32 on: February 24, 2009, 11:44:54 AM »
                              1394.

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                                « Reply #33 on: February 24, 2009, 04:27:25 PM »
                                ah..i knew it was around that number..
                                If you dont know DOS, you dont know Windows...

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                                  « Reply #34 on: February 27, 2009, 03:39:59 AM »
                                  Try Neooffice open source office suite. It has gotten me thru 3 yrs of collage.

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                                  « Reply #35 on: February 27, 2009, 05:53:08 AM »
                                  Ive almost died using neooffice in school for only 1/2 a year. IMO it sucks!

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                                  « Reply #36 on: February 27, 2009, 09:27:00 AM »
                                  Ive almost died using neooffice in school for only 1/2 a year. IMO it sucks!

                                   ::)

                                  you seem to think everything sucks...
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                                    « Reply #37 on: February 27, 2009, 11:19:55 AM »
                                    thats true...or atleast just disagree in some way

                                    like when we were discussing how Word 07 lost its functionallity in favor of looks...you went for looks.
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                                    « Reply #38 on: February 27, 2009, 11:24:47 AM »
                                    I don't think Word 07 had lost its functionality...


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                                    « Reply #39 on: February 27, 2009, 11:27:28 AM »


                                    they just moved the advanced features nobody uses somewhere else- keeping the most used commands within easy reach.
                                    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                                    « Reply #40 on: February 27, 2009, 04:14:37 PM »
                                    Macdad: I said I cared about looks. I didnt say thats the most important thing.  I want it to functional too of course.

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                                    « Reply #41 on: February 27, 2009, 04:21:48 PM »
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                                    It has gotten me thru 3 yrs of collage.

                                    and done very well, too, we see...    ::)


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                                    « Reply #42 on: February 27, 2009, 04:22:48 PM »
                                    Hahaha ;D Shure has!

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                                    « Reply #43 on: February 27, 2009, 08:02:31 PM »
                                    3 years of collage? I thought that would be a one year course...
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                                      « Reply #44 on: February 28, 2009, 11:00:31 AM »
                                      how much time did you spend studying or was it just PARTY PARTY PARTY?  :D
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                                      « Reply #45 on: February 28, 2009, 12:13:39 PM »
                                      no it was
                                      PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY