Author Topic: A Complicated Problem... (Read 14796 times)

Pleanie · « **on:** February 14, 2009, 12:16:50 PM »

The problem is pretty complicated so... Here I go.

When we were moving, I didn't show my father how to take off this plug thing that connects the computer screen to the black box thing (Please bare with me...).
So he broke the blue thing on the black box.
He got it fixed but when I moved and tried to play my computer game, the graphics were a lot worse.
I'm guessing that father accidentally broke the graphic card or something as well but I'm not sure.
But when I checked the graphic card, it said everything was fine.

So I don't know what the problem is anymore can someone help me.
I know my computer is really old but we can't afford anything better right now. Can someone suggest something to do. If I have to buy a new graphic card, can someone suggest one (Below 100$ please). Thank you.

My computer specs are this: (I only put it up to display devices)

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/14/2009, 14:07:34
Machine name: PC-JAN09
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
System Model: MS-7211
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz
Memory: 254MB RAM
Page File: 249MB used, 375MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA Vanta/Vanta LT (Microsoft Corporation)
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: Vanta/Vanta LT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_002C&SUBSYS_007210DE&REV_15
Display Memory: 16.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5673 (English)
DDI Version: 7
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 4/13/2008 19:12:02, 4274816 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/3/2004 17:29:56, 1897408 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-436C-11CF-4765-7820B4C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x002C
SubSys ID: 0x007210DE
Revision ID: 0x0015
Revision ID: 0x0015
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

The game is this. http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Downloads/Client.aspx

Thank you very much.

mannsupreme · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2009, 06:37:59 PM »

have you tryed opening up the system and checking if the graphics card hasn't jarred out of position? by the sounds of it im guessing your dad didn't undo the pins on either side of the cable. when he removed it there is a chance he could have physically damaged the card or maybe even the PCI-E port on the motherboard.

Pleanie · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2009, 07:31:30 PM »

Father didn't remove it. He left it in there until I came back but he broke the blue thing out of the socket and they had to put a new one in. So if it's just out of position, I can just put it back in? Is it something I should attempt (a person with no knowledge of the computer) because I am pretty prone to breaking things...

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2009, 07:33:18 PM »

what do you mean "blue thing" the plug or the connection on the computer?

If its the connection on the computer, they generally aren't user replacable without soldering experience.

Pleanie · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2009, 08:19:59 PM »

The blue thing is on the black box connected to my monitor so I guess it is the connection on the computer. It got out of joint so they made a new blue thing below all the other connections. But the problem is the graphic card. I'm thinking my father broke the graphic card while he broke the blue connection thing.
I'm also afraid to open it. It looks complicated.

mannsupreme · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:16:02 AM »

i think you are talking about a VGA connector, which is the wire connecting a Video card to a monitor. if this is the problem you may have to open your system.

if you are not talking about the VGA connector then i think it is the VGA port on the back of a Video card, if this is damaged then chances are you will need to replace your Video card or have it fixed.

Pleanie · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:29:49 AM »

Than if I need to replace it, can anyone suggest a good video card for my computer. I heard recent video cards won't be able to run with the type of monitor I have or something...

mannsupreme · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:38:57 PM »

im guessing you motherboard will only accept PCI ports so i found this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130188
its well inside your price range and its not a bad card to use. i checked and it will support the game you want to play

Pleanie · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:51:50 PM »

Oh wow, that's so cheap compared to the graphic cards I usually see. Thank you so much.

I'm sorry, a few more questions.
Are these sold in stores?
Is it easy to place a new graphic card inside a computer?

mannsupreme · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:35:19 PM »

the trouble is most store wont have a fixed stock like most websites do. so if you were to find a computer store its likely it wont sell anything you are looking for its pot-luck basically. but newegg is a trusted site.

http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/Graphics/Installing%20a%20GraphicsCard.shtml
on this site it will run you through step by step how to install a graphics card and even the site says that doing so isnt as daunting as it sounds

Pleanie · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:06:37 PM »

Oh wow, thank you so much again. I already told my parents and were putting the plan into action. Once again, thank you

mannsupreme · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:14:51 PM »

no problem man if there are any problems down the line id be glad to help out

Pleanie · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2009, 08:20:39 PM »

There is a problem down the line...

In a youtube tutorial on how to put a graphic card into a computer (It even had the same black box). It said not to use a green screwdriver or your computer will explode... Instead use an orange one... I am very confused. :<

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2009, 08:42:35 PM »

Quote from: Pleanie on February 21, 2009, 08:20:39 PM

There is a problem down the line...

In a youtube tutorial on how to put a graphic card into a computer (It even had the same black box). It said not to use a green screwdriver or your computer will explode... Instead use an orange one... I am very confused. :<

So am I. That doesn't make any sense!

Pleanie · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2009, 05:45:52 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ILrq7lMe-0&feature=related

That is the youtube tutorial.

mannsupreme · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:18:44 AM »

basically you need to use a non-magnetic screw driver, thats it.
i used a magnetic screwdriver and it went fine, he is just saying that so if it does happen to some poor guy then they cant sue him for it

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:29:27 AM »

magnetic screwdrivers will cause no harm.

Pleanie · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:11:57 PM »

Ahh, ok than. Right now I am ordering the card from Radioshack's Ship-To-Store (Although it feels like I did something wrong...). Thank you, I guess ill be careful with that screwdriver.

Pleanie · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2009, 09:42:26 PM »

Soo... I did do something wrong with radioshack but I managed to successfully mail it to me. But since I am scared to turn off my graphic card again, is it possible if I install the new graphic card first, play my online game to see if it works, than uninstall my old graphic card? I am really really scared that I will permanently brake my computer by doing this.

Thank you and sorry for so many menial questions (Trying to be 100% safe and secure as possible because my parents do not know anything about technology so I am on my own)

mannsupreme · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2009, 06:56:36 AM »

no i dont think you can but its not a problem if your new graphics card doesnt work then you can allways install the old one again.
installing graphics cards are very simple if you have done the reasearch

Pleanie · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2009, 09:56:19 AM »

But I don't have a CD for my first graphic card (not to mention it is partly broken).

I ordered this product but the slight difference at the name in the end worries me a little. Just to make sure, it is the same card right?

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2275824

mannsupreme · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:39:18 AM »

basically it is, its just an AGP card which is an older technology but considering the age of your computer i think it will support it

Pleanie · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:07:52 AM »

The "I think" part concerns me a little but Its already been ordered. So the only thing left to do is wait and wing it I suppose (It comes tomorrow). Thank you.

Pleanie · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:51:59 PM »

Uh oh... I don't think I have an AGP slot... I'm so nervous. Can I just install one?

Kurtiskain · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2009, 03:19:07 AM »

Quote from: Pleanie on March 04, 2009, 06:51:59 PM

Uh oh... I don't think I have an AGP slot... I'm so nervous. Can I just install one?

No you cannot, however, in your first post.......

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AGP Status: Enabled

So you have an AGP slot

have no fears!

a computer is normally quite hard to break when changing components, unless it was already on the verge of failing, which is never that likely, by the way. When you think about the millions of people around the world that change computer parts ever week, and the small percentage of people that need help afterwards...anyway...

the only thing to check for while replacing the card is to make sure it is not clipped in, (some older boards do not have this feature) to take out the screw from the silver bracket, and take it out perfectly straight, (perpendicular to the board) and also to place the new card in perfectly straight too.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2009, 03:29:42 AM »

Quote from: Kurtiskain on March 05, 2009, 03:19:07 AM

No you cannot, however, in your first post.......

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AGP Status: Enabled

So you have an AGP slot have no fears!

hate to be a party pooper- but the Nvidia Vanta is motherboard graphics.

a good number of PCs with AGP motherboard graphics neglect to include a AGP slot on the motherboard.

BUT- in this case, a google search for the system model had many pages of results, of which one contained a picture, clearly showing a Red AGP slot, so all is well

Pleanie · « **Reply #26 on:** March 05, 2009, 02:56:17 PM »

OMG... I am SO relieved. I do see a red slot thing! Thank you thank you THANK YOU so much. I'm so happy right now! You scared me so much with your initial post but the BUT part relieved ALL my stress I had today. Now I can study in peace! Thank you!!

Kurtiskain · « **Reply #27 on:** March 05, 2009, 09:06:20 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on March 05, 2009, 03:29:42 AM

hate to be a party pooper- but the Nvidia Vanta is motherboard graphics.

Where did you get this from?

I had a nVidia Vanta and it was most definately a 16MB AGP card...

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #28 on:** March 05, 2009, 09:34:44 PM »

in this case, it is integrated.

It says right in the everest report.

I should have been more clear that I meant, "This" Nvidia Vanta is integrated, not the.

Unless of course integrated simply means the RAMDAC is integrated onto the card or something... none of my cards get everest to say that, though.

Kurtiskain · « **Reply #29 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:21:04 AM »

yeah my report says Internal RAMDAC....

His says Integrated so...I guess I was wrong

Sorry!

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #30 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:05:00 AM »

It was really just a guess on my part- Everest on my main PC says Internal, (to the card, I suppose) whereas all my laptops say "Integrated"- so I just extended to logic to this PC.

I forgot the Vanta was a standalone card though; Actually I just discovered why I had never heard of it:

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A low-cost version, known as the TNT2 M64, was produced with the memory interface reduced from 128-bit to 64-bit. Sometimes these were labeled "Vanta", continuing the Vanta name started with a value-oriented RIVA TNT-based product. This chipset outperformed the older RIVA TNT while being less costly to produce. They proved quite popular in the OEM market, as most consumers simply assumed all TNT2 cards were the same.

turns out it's just a stripped Riva TNT!

Pleanie · « **Reply #31 on:** March 06, 2009, 08:05:49 PM »

I am please to announce that it actually works and it is running my game (almost) like a dream. Thank you everyone, thank you! I will never forget how this accidental crossing to this website of hope can given me happiness.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #32 on:** March 06, 2009, 08:08:49 PM »

Good to hear! Come back now, y'hear!?

Kurisu42069 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:07:15 PM »

Wow. That helped on prob I was having.

Kurtiskain · « **Reply #34 on:** March 12, 2009, 10:32:07 PM »

Guess what BC!?!?!!

I went digging through my draws...I found I have two RIVA TNT 2 M64's lying around, both 32MB cards, and they both stated integrated RAMDAC when I booted them up

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