Author Topic: Evolution of Graphics... (Read 27236 times)

liambiscuit · « **on:** March 29, 2009, 11:51:37 AM »

I was just thinking --

30 or-so years ago... top of the line graphics was Pong.

Now we have Crysis -- http://innergoat.modacity.net/net/crysis_demo/Crysis_2304x1440_7950GT512mb_23_compressed.jpg

Isn't this a great amount of work and lines of code in 30 years?

Think what graphics will be like 30 years from-now. Then thirty years from THEN. Do you think it is possible for virtual realities to be better than the real world?

What i mean to say is that normal water = boring. But i SUUURE would drink a glass of Virtual Water.

And would humans become too dependent on these virtual realities because "OMG RL SUKS"?

Just a few of my thoughts on Computers. Whadda you think?

Liam

P.S. One word about SkyNet i swear to god...

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2009, 07:04:18 AM »

You would not be able to drink virtual water. It wouldn't make sense.
For example, if you drank some water in a Star Trek Holodeck, the water inside your body will instantly dematerialize once you leave the room.

As for SkyNet from The Terminator, it appeared to be an Artificial Intelligence that used computers all over the world to operate, much like Folding@Home does. Hmmmm......

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Think what graphics will be like 30 years from-now. Then thirty years from THEN. Do you think it is possible for virtual realities to be better than the real world?

No need to think so far ahead. Just wait for five years and you will be amazed.

Laska · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:04:15 AM »

In Mother Russia They Have Graphics That Would Make You THink Of.....Many Things
You Should Step Across and See What You Think

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:05:56 AM »

What do you mean? What graphics? Source?

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:08:58 AM »

But I want to just play Pong!

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #5 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:10:52 AM »

I don't care about graphics myself. I would rather play games for hours rather than play high-detailed eye-squabbing games for 40 minutes.

Laska · « **Reply #6 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:16:54 AM »

1.40 USD and minimal wiring will do
Shall I do for you
Am 2uite capable
and do all the time

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #7 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:18:39 AM »

$1.40 to do what, Laska? I am curious......

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:11:07 AM »

Here is a Pong game.
http://www.falstad.com/pong/
In 30 years it will still be the same.

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:44:19 AM »

Quote from: Laska on April 06, 2009, 02:26:04 AM

So For to order the chip then you research the Circuit
And You go to the scrap box for parts as I do so Often
And for minimal amount you build the circuit & have
Your Happiness Not Only in what you have,
but also that you did it Youself
Satisfaction No ?

A circuit for what....

liambiscuit · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2009, 10:58:54 PM »

Lol wow this got so off topic... =D --

-- And I'm not saying i like uber good 3D Graphics. Sure their nice, but me and an old game of TTD or some other dos game are just fine.

-- And I only wrote this because I was waiting on a download =D

-- And text-based still owns =D

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but also that you did it Youself
Satisfaction No ?

We'll go with that.

mroilfield · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2009, 12:32:32 AM »

you could have the best graphics ever but if the content isn't there then you pretty much have a nice picture and that is it.

liambiscuit · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:30:11 AM »

Yeah. I still think command-based rules =D

Helpmeh · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2009, 10:45:08 AM »

Quote from: mroilfield on April 10, 2009, 12:32:32 AM

you could have the best graphics ever but if the content isn't there then you pretty much have a nice picture and that is it.

EXACTLY! You need to have a balance of gameplay and graphics.

computeruler · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:36:10 PM »

In like 10 years tha graphics are going to be real life. Like a movie. Like a blue ray movie. I have crysis and those graphics are amazing!

Helpmeh · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:53:01 PM »

Quote from: computeruler on April 10, 2009, 02:36:10 PM

In like 10 years tha graphics are going to be real life. Like a movie. Like a blue ray movie. I have crysis and those graphics are amazing!

In like 10 years we won't have 2d graphics any more. EVERYTHING WILL BE HOLOGRAMS!

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:32:25 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on April 10, 2009, 04:53:01 PM

In like 10 years we won't have 2d graphics any more. EVERYTHING WILL BE HOLOGRAMS!

10 years ago we had 3-d.

we still have 3d.

liambiscuit · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:14:01 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 10, 2009, 06:32:25 PM

10 years ago we had 3-d.

we still have 3d.

You forgot one:
10 years from now we'll have 4D

kpac · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:20:30 PM »

Quote from: liambiscuit on April 12, 2009, 04:14:01 PM

You forgot one:
10 years from now we'll have 4D

4D = What? W axis, X axis, Y axis, and Z axis? Where does the W axis go? It's not possible to have 4 axis'.

liambiscuit · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:05:46 PM »

Thats the joke.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:25:38 PM »

technically, we don't HAVE 3-d.

we have a 3-d projection onto a 2-d space.

patio · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:03:14 PM »

Actually we only have 1D and fool ourselves into thinking we have more than that...

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:08:20 PM »

yes. we all live in varying degrees of pain.

(let this be known as the point the discussion suddenly turns philisophic)

patio · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:23:09 PM »

We need a smilie for that.....

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:36:24 PM »

I was totally serial.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #25 on:** April 12, 2009, 09:35:09 PM »

OK. Every body Smile!

A few years from now Graphic Displays will be of little interest to most people.

Example, When I was a child, a long time ago, we had innovations in the Movie industry to compete with Television. Stereo, Wide screen and effects you can not duplicate on a small screen. So after all these years only a few people now have huge projection TVs, which have been around for years.

And the Movie people are back into 3-D again.
Oh My! what will they think of next?
Free Popcorn? -No Way!

Helpmeh · « **Reply #26 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:02:25 PM »

Quote from: kpac on April 12, 2009, 04:20:30 PM

4D = What? W axis, X axis, Y axis, and Z axis? Where does the W axis go? It's not possible to have 4 axis'.

Because we live in a 3D world, we can't possibly contemplate what the fourth D is. If we can think of it, then it can't possibly be the fourth D.

Aegis · « **Reply #27 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:09:47 PM »

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Actually we only have 1D and fool ourselves into thinking we have more than that...

Patio, you're such a killjoy!

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Because we live in a 3D world, we can't possibly contemplate what the fourth D is. If we can think of it, then it can't possibly be the fourth D.

The fourth dimension is Time. The old master, Albert Einstein -- a moment of silence, please! -- conceived this nearly a hundred years ago.

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A few years from now Graphic Displays will be of little interest to most people.

If that were true, the Internet would not have become so graphics intensive over the last ten or fifteen years.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Aegis on April 13, 2009, 05:09:47 PM

Patio, you're such a killjoy!

The fourth dimension is Time. The old master, Albert Einstein -- a moment of silence, please! -- conceived this nearly a hundred years ago.

If that were true, the Internet would not have become so graphics intensive over the last ten or fifteen years.

Can you prove that the fourth dimension is time?

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:05:30 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on April 13, 2009, 05:02:25 PM

Because we live in a 3D world, we can't possibly contemplate what the fourth D is. If we can think of it, then it can't possibly be the fourth D.

Actually, we can.

Time, as Aegis said, is a dimension. The difference being that although objects can move freely in all three X,Y and Z axes, they move through time at a constant* speed.

The fact is, Time IS a dimension- it's a linear dimension just like X,Y and Z axes. difference being, as said, that it can only be moved through forward at a constant speed.

Time travel would allow one to have four degrees of freedom.

****nitpicker's corner*****

*Although gravity and velocity influences can impact how "constant" this is, from the reference frame of the object it is constant.

patio · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:35:54 PM »

Actually the correlation of Time + Space is what supposedly creates the existence of a 4th dimension...without one or the other the concept is null and void.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM »

that's true.

I believe what helpmeh is driving at is the conceptualization of a 4-dimensional hypercube, and a universe that supports this fourth dimension. One cannot fathom what such a universe would appear as to one of it's inhabitants, being restricted to this lowly 3-dimensional universe of ours.

One can take the same concept the other way, for example, "flatlanders" takes the concept of being living in a 2-dimensional space trying to comprehend a third dimension.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:44:16 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM

that's true.

I believe what helpmeh is driving at is the conceptualization of a 4-dimensional hypercube, and a universe that supports this fourth dimension. One cannot fathom what such a universe would appear as to one of it's inhabitants, being restricted to this lowly 3-dimensional universe of ours.

One can take the same concept the other way, for example, "flatlanders" takes the concept of being living in a 2-dimensional space trying to comprehend a third dimension.

Exactly. I was laughing with my friend when I described to him about what someone's brain would look like if it exploded after understanding that we're actually in the 12th dimension...

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:46:41 PM »

here's the problem- these *censored* shows using the word "dimension" to represent parallel universes. confuses the heck out of everybody. Dimension is NOT a synonym for parallel universe, it's just a crappy colloquilism invented to ease the discussion of such.

patio · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:49:49 PM »

Agreed...
There are far more parallel universes than there are dimensions...
Blame Rod Stieger...

Helpmeh · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:51:19 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on April 13, 2009, 06:44:16 PM

Exactly. I was laughing with my friend when I described to him about what someone's brain would look like if it exploded after understanding that we're actually in the 12th dimension...

I meant that as a joke...The "guy" in my story was totally nuts and finally "realised" the "truth".

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:54:13 PM »

Never mind the 4th dimension. How about a 3-D presentation of a favorite vacation spot with wrap-around views and sounds.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:57:39 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on April 13, 2009, 06:54:13 PM

Never mind the 4th dimension. How about a 3-D presentation of a favorite vacation spot with wrap-around views and sounds.

Nice...I once took about 7 pictures while going in a slow circle, and put them together in powerpoint so that it looks like you're literally spinning in circles...

Aegis · « **Reply #38 on:** April 14, 2009, 07:34:08 AM »

Yes, it is a space-time continuum -- I keep forgetting!

I wouldn't be surprised by some sort of holographic projection system becoming more available in the near future.
The basic technologies have been around for thirty to forty years.

Laska · « **Reply #39 on:** April 17, 2009, 10:10:58 PM »

Mathematically it is a known fact and has been scientifically proven that there are at least 11, and perhaps as many as 22 dimensions in what is known as the 'Universe'

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #40 on:** April 17, 2009, 10:12:18 PM »

Quote from: Laska on April 17, 2009, 10:10:58 PM

Mathematically it is a known fact and has been scientifically proven that there are at least 11, and perhaps as many as 22 dimensions in what is known as the 'Universe'

No it's not.

You can't just make up facts- unless your Al Gore.

Aegis · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2009, 11:10:19 AM »

There is strong mathematical evidence for those models of the universe, but they've not been proved, yet. This isn't merely pointing and saying, "You're wrong," Laska. Brian Greene, in his book, "The Elegant Universe," states that he's excited because the research, as it develops, is proving the math models and predictions.

We're just not quite there, yet.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2009, 11:47:07 AM »

unfortunately there will always be people that, no matter what models and history and formulas you throw at them, they still believe something that completely defies the studies and scientific fact.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #43 on:** April 18, 2009, 11:53:50 AM »

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...they still believe something that completely
defies the studies and scientific fact.

Is that like Batch programming?

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #44 on:** April 18, 2009, 11:59:56 AM »

Don't look at me, I haven't done any serious batch programming since I was 16.

Aegis · « **Reply #45 on:** April 18, 2009, 12:32:31 PM »

Well, to be fair, Brian Greene is one of your multi-dimensional guys...it's just not known, yet, how many dimension will "shake out."

patio · « **Reply #46 on:** April 18, 2009, 02:32:57 PM »

The only dimensions that exist are the ones we can prove at this time...after all no one detonated a nuke before it moved from theory to practicality...

Aegis · « **Reply #47 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:01:03 PM »

Well, the whole quantum physics has turned Newtonian physics sorta upside down. You have to hand it to Sir Newton, though -- he developed a system which explained the universe, and the calculus to go with it, and his system stood for over three centuries.

x2543 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:15:45 PM »

well now it comes down to pc gaming being designed as if player was in the outer world where forcefields are realistic and IMAX quality presentations are right in front of you?

Aegis · « **Reply #49 on:** April 18, 2009, 07:52:07 PM »

It's ironic. People want realistic gaming, but often, they don't want the real thing...

paudashlake · « **Reply #50 on:** April 18, 2009, 07:56:59 PM »

Odd how it works out that way. I think people want it to look a little bit fake so they don't think they are actually there

Aegis · « **Reply #51 on:** April 18, 2009, 08:01:10 PM »

No, I meant they want martial arts games, but they don't want to practice martial arts. They want sports games, but don't want to play the sports. They want to play Guitar Hero, and not learn the guitar.

I could leave all that alone, but then too many of these people get in your face like they can beat you at the real thing!

x2543 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 18, 2009, 10:18:25 PM »

but then i wondered sometimes when playing the game, how does one really get into the game if they don't have the real skills at times?

If they were making a video game from a movie, wish they'd keep the movie quality graphics instead of the cartoonish stuff at times. taht would be awesome.

mroilfield · « **Reply #53 on:** April 19, 2009, 01:18:14 AM »

Quote from: x2543 on April 18, 2009, 10:18:25 PM

but then i wondered sometimes when playing the game, how does one really get into the game if they don't have the real skills at times?

They don't have to have any real skills for the type of game they are playing because it is just easier to hit a few buttons then it is to go thru the actual motions. Guitar Hero and Rock Band are perfect examples of this. You have little kids that brag about how they can own you and stuff when it comes to those games yet if you gave them the real instruments most of them would never be able to get even part of a note correct. On those games are you are doing is hitting a button at an appropriate time instead of actually having to hit the right cords and notes. there is a big difference in those games and the real live thing.

computeruler · « **Reply #54 on:** April 19, 2009, 09:25:47 AM »

I hate all those people who are good at guitar hero and think they can play guitar good

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #55 on:** April 19, 2009, 09:35:32 AM »

Quote from: computeruler on April 19, 2009, 09:25:47 AM

I hate all those people who are good at guitar hero and think they can play guitar good

Yeah.

That's actually kind of like people that are really good at a First person shooter game, Like Doom or Quake or whatnot, and then somehow actually think they would be able to even fire a real gun.

Myself, I'm alright at such games, but probably couldn't fire a gun (except perhaps to save my life, then I might try a bit harder. like in one of those classic "struggle for the gun" scenes)

computeruler · « **Reply #56 on:** April 19, 2009, 09:38:30 AM »

I could fire it but aiming and reloading might give me some probs

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #57 on:** April 19, 2009, 11:00:03 AM »

ok- that's true.

It's pretty easy to fire a gun (DER- pull trigger) but the recoil and so forth might cause injury if your not careful and try to act like a gun-toting marine.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #58 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:01:01 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 19, 2009, 11:00:03 AM

ok- that's true.

It's pretty easy to fire a gun (DER- pull trigger) but the recoil and so forth might cause injury if your not careful and try to act like a gun-toting marine.

Or trying to shoot from the hip...fail

computeruler · « **Reply #59 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:28:54 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqXLHzaEXh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqYznDU1gY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U&feature=relatedYou have to see this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzOLEoko6o&feature=related
Theres tons like that

Helpmeh · « **Reply #60 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:38:13 PM »

Quote from: computeruler on April 19, 2009, 12:28:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqXLHzaEXh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqYznDU1gY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U&feature=relatedYou have to see this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzOLEoko6o&feature=related
Theres tons like that

Some kid was playing with an uzi...holding it right (he's just too weak), and tries to fire one bullet...He holds the trigger to long and the recoil spins the gun at his chest...he didn't let go of the trigger...

mroilfield · « **Reply #61 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:41:49 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 19, 2009, 09:35:32 AM

That's actually kind of like people that are really good at a First person shooter game, Like Doom or Quake or whatnot, and then somehow actually think they would be able to even fire a real gun.

Well since I live in Louisiana and have been around guns all my life I am one of those that is pretty good at the first-person-shooters and can actually shoot a gun good. I will have to say though that being good at one has in know way affected how good I am at the other.

computeruler · « **Reply #62 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:43:28 PM »

I herd about that helpmeh. Did you watch the one with the old lady?

Helpmeh · « **Reply #63 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:29:55 PM »

Quote from: computeruler on April 19, 2009, 12:43:28 PM

I herd about that helpmeh. Did you watch the one with the old lady?

Yeah...I think I've seen like 50 of them.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #64 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:37:33 PM »

So, with advances in Graphisc.
Come the day YouTube will have a holographic 3-D Super Hi Def.
The video stream the fills half of your living room.

...Aand then they fire a gun at you !

The Advanced graphics gives you a heart attack!

patio · « **Reply #65 on:** April 19, 2009, 06:08:07 PM »

I'm extremely good with a Pistol....
Even better with a Rifle....

computeruler · « **Reply #66 on:** April 19, 2009, 06:09:24 PM »

Im mildly scared now

patio · « **Reply #67 on:** April 19, 2009, 06:43:40 PM »

No need to be...
I only shoot at Humans when i'm well compensated.

computeruler · « **Reply #68 on:** April 19, 2009, 06:46:46 PM »

Whats that mean?

Aegis · « **Reply #69 on:** April 19, 2009, 07:00:27 PM »

Compensation has to do with pay and benefits, or with arrangements made that are satisfactory to all parties involved -- with the exception, I suppose, of Patio's targets.

liambiscuit · « **Reply #70 on:** April 26, 2009, 07:54:48 PM »

LOL I have so much to comment on -- Havn't been on this thread in ages ==

"You can't just make up facts- unless your Al Gore." is the best, by far.

And don't you think if YouTube had a holographic display thingy that fills your room -- don't you think for everyone to buy that technology... it would get a bit pricy?

Quote from: patio on April 19, 2009, 06:43:40 PM

No need to be...
I only shoot at Humans when i'm well compensated.

I love you, Patio.

But I still don't swing that way

--Liam

P.S. Whoever said Doom and Quake -- Your awesome.

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