Author Topic: Router Issue (Read 10366 times)

squall_01 · « **on:** August 24, 2009, 01:21:27 PM »

Since I still have issues an said that I would post them later an have to start an new post about this some details are going to be overlooked an not mentioned. Here is the config info then.

Ethther Net Adapter Local Area

Connection spefic dsn suffix

auto config ip address 169.254.252.XXX
sub net mask 255.255.0.0
default gateway

dahlarbear · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:45:32 PM »

Quote from: squall_01 on August 24, 2009, 01:21:27 PM

Since I still have issues an said that I would post them later an have to start an new post about this some details are going to be overlooked an not mentioned.

1. What's the problem? Perhaps you could provide a link to the "overlooked and not mentioned" details.

2. APIPA Address. Do you know your "auto config ip address 169.254.252.XXX" is within the Automatic Private IP Addressing (APIPA) range?

squall_01 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 24, 2009, 03:07:48 PM »

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,89975.msg609591.html#msg609591, what???

dahlarbear · « **Reply #3 on:** August 24, 2009, 05:23:07 PM »

1. Linksys Model Number. Provide the complete "model number" for the Linksys router and I'll see if I can find link to users manual on Internet.

The model number is probably listed on bottom of router; e.g Linksys "WRT54G v5".

2. IP Address for Linksys Router Configuration Pages. Currently it could be set to anything. There should be hardware capability to "reset" the router's configuration back to its default values. Once reset to the default address, user name, and password; you should be able to access and configure it to your desired configuration. All of this should be documented in the users manual.

3. Objective. Are you trying to setup the home router as a "default" gateway to the Internet for your local area network?

squall_01 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:26:17 PM »

I cant give you it right this moment but its a ver 2 an I have a quick guide but not a full manual.

Bows in respect

smeezekitty · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2009, 07:31:06 PM »

squall 1
whats with your "i just cant give it to you right now" stuff

dahlarbear · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:41:30 PM »

Quote from: squall_01 on August 18, 2009 05:00:55 AM from "Router Wondering Still"

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I have a linksys router ver 2, there wasnt a manual an I didnt see an adress number on the manual I got from there site. Is there any way too tell to config it?

Quote from: squall_01 on August 24, 2009, 06:26:17 PM

I cant give you it right this moment but its a ver 2 an I have a quick guide but not a full manual. Bows in respect

1. I'm assuming your Linksys router has a WAN port and four wired LAN ports. Does it also provide a "wireless access point"?

2. Complete Model Number and Version. Please use the pictures located here (click on the "Where's my model number Question Mark ( ? )" to find your complete Model Number and Version.

3. Did you buy the router "new" or "used"? If used, do you know if it still has the Linksys firmware or has it been re-imaged with third party firmware. If it's been re-imaged, I don't know that a hardware "reset" to factory defaults is still an option. Go slow until you know what you have.

For at least one of the model numbers, Linksys reduced the amount of firmware memory available leading to a demand for the older versions (2?). People were taking their fifty dollar (US) Linksys router and re-imaging the firmware with third party firmware to produce a five hundred dollar router (in functionality). The more memory available, the more functionality they could pack into it.

squall_01 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2009, 04:44:38 AM »

that it does, I wont be useing the internet port though. I am aware of where it is located it just that I cant give it too you at the moment.

I got it used from my father under the asumption of it being wireless. I couldnt say for sure. So in other words I could theroy move more data. Cause I dont have the information with me is why since I'm not at home an left what is written down there too.

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2009, 04:50:38 AM »

The reason I closed your other topic is because you aren't cooperating with us.

If you want us to help, answer the questions.

Otherwise, Don't Post or this topic will be closed too.

squall_01 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2009, 05:36:11 PM »

Here is the Model BEFSR41 ver 2

dahlarbear · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2009, 08:36:13 PM »

1. BEFSR41. This model number is not "wireless", although the "BEFSR41W" is.

2. Documentation. So far I've only been able to find the Quick Installation guide for BEFSR41 version 2 from its support page. (Be sure to select "Version 2.0" on that page).

3. APIPA Address. The IP address you posted earlier is an Automatic Private IP Addressing (APIPA) address. When your NIC interface is configured to get an IP Address automatically (through the DHCP protocol), and a DHCP server cannot be found or does not respond; Windows will arbitrarily assign an address within the APIPA range with a Subnet Mask of "255.255.0.0".

This means either you are not logically connected with the Linksys router or its DHCP server function is "disabled".

4. Objective. Do you just want to use the BEFSR41 as a "switch" to network four devices together or do you also want access to the "router" functionality?

5. Reset Factory Defaults. The Quick Installation pamphlet has instructions to perform a hardware "reset" back to factory defaults. This resets the configuration web page address of router to "192.168.1.1" as well as resetting the "user" and "password" values.

I'd think twice before doing this; issues being is it yours to "modify" (ownership) and does it use standard Linksys firmware? Although if I were to write new firmware, I would either disable the "reset" button or program it to be compatible with new image. So maybe that's a non-issue...

squall_01 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:17:46 AM »

That is right, I dont think anything is really connected at all since I couldnt get it working. I just want to use it as it was an have a jumper to the hub so that it can connect more pc's. It does

I must of missed that an such.

$:-\$ Why I was going too? I couldnt say an dont think that I'm going to mess with any of that. $:-\$

dahlarbear · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2009, 11:33:30 AM »

Since a "regular" switch works at Data Link Layer on MAC addresses (no IP address or subnet mask required for switch itself); let's see if BEFSR41 (in its current unknown state) will perform simple "switch" functionality. (Don't know if BEFSR41 will permit us to ignore its configuration and use it as simple switch).

Do you have:
o Two "working" PCs with known good ethernet NICs
o Two known good "straight" ethernet cables
o One known good "crossover" ethernet cable (or a crossover adapter)

What operating system and service pack level will each of the two PCs be using?

squall_01 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 26, 2009, 01:52:25 PM »

you lost me there.

There was at one point were it did see the machine behind it but not sure why? They both have xp an sp 2 at best. But I'm currently off between classes. Probably wont be back home till tommorow at best

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 26, 2009, 09:57:53 PM »

Dahlarbear... I admire your patience....

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #15 on:** August 27, 2009, 12:25:46 AM »

But trust us, there's no point pushing yourself.

squall_01 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 27, 2009, 06:26:13 AM »

well you want too do it then? I'm doing what I can to the best of what I can do the fact of the matter is I dont know much networking.

dahlarbear · « **Reply #17 on:** August 27, 2009, 05:18:37 PM »

1. Setup the Hardware. With all of the components unplugged (no power):
a. Connect "straight" ethernet cable (standard straight through cable) into port 4 of Linksys Router and NIC port of first computer.
b. Connect "straight" ethernet cable into port 2 of Linksys Router and NIC of second computer.
c. Plug in the router and watch its lights go through their initialization sequence. Wait for them to settle down. (I assume it should be less than a minute).
d. Plug in, power up, and boot first computer.
e. Plug in, power up, and boot second computer.

2. TCP/IP Configuration. Check "current" values for the wired NICs of both computers using the "ipconfig /all |more" command from a command prompt window.
Record and/or "post" the following:
a. IP Address
b. Subnet Mask

Does each have a nonzero value for both the IP Address and the Subnet Mask?

Do both nonzero subnet masks have the same value?

Is the nonzero "network address" portion of the IP address the same for both machines? For example, 169.254.xxx.xxx.

Note: You can redirect the command output of "ipconfig" into a text file if you wish. Use "ipconfig /all > <filename>" where you replace "<filename>" with desired "path" and "filename". For example: "ipconfig /all > NIC_PC1.txt" will create text file named "NIC_PC1.txt" in the directory from which the command was invoked.

3. Ping Each PC. From command window on first PC, attempt to "ping" second PC by its IP address:
> ping <IP_Address_Second_PC>

From command window on second PC, attempt to "ping" first PC by its IP address:
> ping <IP_Address_First_PC>

For example, if IP address of second PC is 169.254.189.6 then "ping 169.254.189.6".

What are your results?

squall_01 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 28, 2009, 05:35:16 AM »

Quote from: dahlarbear on August 27, 2009, 05:18:37 PM

1. Setup the Hardware. With all of the components unplugged (no power):
a. Connect "straight" ethernet cable (standard straight through cable) into port 4 of Linksys Router and NIC port of first computer.
b. Connect "straight" ethernet cable into port 2 of Linksys Router and NIC of second computer.
c. Plug in the router and watch its lights go through their initialization sequence. Wait for them to settle down. (I assume it should be less than a minute).
d. Plug in, power up, and boot first computer.
e. Plug in, power up, and boot second computer.

2. TCP/IP Configuration. Check "current" values for the wired NICs of both computers using the "ipconfig /all |more" command from a command prompt window.
Record and/or "post" the following:
a. IP Address
b. Subnet Mask

Does each have a nonzero value for both the IP Address and the Subnet Mask?

Do both nonzero subnet masks have the same value?

Is the nonzero "network address" portion of the IP address the same for both machines? For example, 169.254.xxx.xxx.

Note: You can redirect the command output of "ipconfig" into a text file if you wish. Use "ipconfig /all > <filename>" where you replace "<filename>" with desired "path" and "filename". For example: "ipconfig /all > NIC_PC1.txt" will create text file named "NIC_PC1.txt" in the directory from which the command was invoked.

3. Ping Each PC. From command window on first PC, attempt to "ping" second PC by its IP address:
> ping <IP_Address_Second_PC>

From command window on second PC, attempt to "ping" first PC by its IP address:
> ping <IP_Address_First_PC>

For example, if IP address of second PC is 169.254.189.6 then "ping 169.254.189.6".

What are your results?

How can we do this if we have yet to config the router? I'm sorry but I have full time classes for the most part except tue,thur,fri so its rather hard. Carbon dont say it cause I can do it but between understanding this an everything else, I dont really know what I'm doing at all.

kpac · « **Reply #19 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:11:29 AM »

Quote from: squall_01 on August 28, 2009, 05:35:16 AM

I dont really know what I'm doing at all.

That's why dahlarbear is spelling it out for you, letter by letter.

dahlarbear · « **Reply #20 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:00:10 PM »

Quote from: squall_01 on August 28, 2009, 05:35:16 AM

How can we do this if we have yet to config the router?

I'm not sure we can, but I'd sure like to give it a try!

squall_01 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2009, 03:29:46 PM »

I thought you were looking for a manual for it, too reset it or something.

dahlarbear · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2009, 06:00:08 PM »

1. I was looking for a manual with "factory reset" instructions. I found it, and I believe you already have a copy of it.

Quote from: dahlarbear on August 25, 2009, 08:36:13 PM

5. Reset Factory Defaults. The Quick Installation pamphlet has instructions to perform a hardware "reset" back to factory defaults. This resets the configuration web page address of router to "192.168.1.1" as well as resetting the "user" and "password" values.

Quote from: squall_01 on August 24, 2009, 06:26:17 PM

I cant give you it right this moment but its a ver 2 an I have a quick guide but not a full manual. Bows in respect

Reset instructions are in the "Help" section of pamphlet, end of subsection "3.B". Subsection 3 is appropriately titled: "I cannot get onto the Internet, nor can I access the Router's Setup page. What should I check?"

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The IP Address field should show an IP address of 192.168.1.100 or 192.168.1.xxx, with "xxx' being any number greater than 100.

If your IP address is not in that range, hold the reset button on the front of the Router for more than 30 seconds. This will cause your Router to be set to factory default, so you will need to re-configure the Router's Setup page. After re-configuring the Setup page, restart the computer.

2. I thought you just needed the "switch" functionality. If so, you may not need to configure the router.

Quote from: squall_01 on August 25, 2009, 04:44:38 AM

that it does, I wont be useing the internet port though.

and then,

Quote from: squall_01 on August 26, 2009, 04:17:46 AM

That is right, I dont think anything is really connected at all since I couldnt get it working. I just want to use it as it was an have a jumper to the hub so that it can connect more pc's. It does I must of missed that an such. $:-\$ Why I was going too? I couldnt say an dont think that I'm going to mess with any of that. $:-\$

3. As you're reading the Quick Installation pamphlet, look for the default "IP address", "user", and "password" for the router's web configuration page.

dahlarbear · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2009, 03:14:46 AM »

Some background reference(s):
Home Network, Wireless Network and Computer Networking Made Easy
How to Configure Router as Switch

squall_01 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2009, 06:10:27 AM »

some of that will help. I must of missed that some were then, I skimmed over some of the parts cause I knew how to do them but I read the rest of it. Ah I didnt read that since I didnt think it applied to me. I just want the thing too work as it was.

squall_01 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 04, 2009, 09:03:18 AM »

I got it too work. I never seen that before

So any how I can see the machines around me, thing is do I have to do the setup? IS that like to make it secure?

dahlarbear · « **Reply #26 on:** September 04, 2009, 07:06:20 PM »

1. You have a home router. Think of it as multiple components packaged into a single box. For example:

WAN Port (usually public IP address)
|
----------------------------------------------------------
| Router / Firewall (NAT?) / DHCP Server |
----------------------------------------------------------
|
LAN Port Logical? (private IP address)
|
|
LAN Logical? (to router)
|
----------------------------------------------------------------
| Switch ( 5 ports? - 4 physical LAN, 1 logical to router |
| ( Distributes traffic based on MAC address ) |
----------------------------------------------------------------
| | | |
LAN_1 LAN_2 LAN_3 LAN_4

Note: I do not guarantee that my representation of the functionality packaged above is correct.

2. Router Configuration. If it's working then I guess you don't have to do the router setup. Almost all of the configuration parameters involve the hardware firewall (security) which restricts traffic to/from the WAN port. You can restrict access to WAN port via IP address, MAC address, time of day, days of the week.

The only functionality that affects the LAN is the DHCP server. You can enable or disable it. If enabled, specify the range of IP addresses to use, the max number concurrently assigned from that range, and the lease time. You may also specify DNS server addresses.

The WAN port is usually used for internet access, but may be used to connect to any other network (local or WAN). If you use the WAN port, you should configure the router for security purposes. First thing to change is the network address of your LAN, possibly the subnet mask, and the user name / password used to access the router configuration web page.

If nothing else you should configure the router to gain a better understanding of the functionality it provides.

Linksys also periodically provides "firmware" updates for these devices (security, performance, stability). You may download them from the LinkSys web site. You must get the correct one for your model number and version number. If everything works, I'd let the firmware updates go for awhile. Flashing the firmware is always a risk.

squall_01 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 05, 2009, 09:57:28 AM »

I know it is, so I dont have to use the setup then

So should I update it then?

dahlarbear · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2009, 04:39:48 PM »

I wouldn't "update" the firmware until after you're comfortable with "setting up" the router through its configuration pages. It's been awhile, but I think you "kick off" the firmware update from the configuration pages.

If you're going to use the router for internet access, consider updating the firmware on the assumption it might provide better security, performance, and stability. It would also be wise to check the experience of other users for that update on the LinkSys (or other) forums. It's not always a good thing to use the lastest software/firmware. There's also the risk firmware upgrade will fail and you end up with a "brick" (unusable router).

squall_01 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 05, 2009, 05:04:50 PM »

I couldnt tell you. But the most recent is a 05. I probably wont if need be I use the hub

That is true but its seems like they stopped support for it there via code wise.

squall_01 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 09, 2009, 05:49:56 AM »

so should I update it then? Also, these have a built in firewall dont they?

$:-\$

dahlarbear · « **Reply #31 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:19:49 PM »

I assume it has a built-in firewall. When you access the router's setup pages, you'll be able to tell what functional capabilities the hardware provides.

The decision to update or not update the firmware is yours to make. I have no personal knowledge of the BEFSR1 firmware versions (nor do I want to research them).

squall_01 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:10:17 AM »

ah okay then, just wondered for the extra protection since security is lagging for the moment.

smeezekitty · « **Reply #33 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:18:56 AM »

Quote from: squall_01 on September 10, 2009, 01:10:17 AM

ah okay then, just wondered for the extra protection since security is lagging for the moment.

unneccary

squall_01 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:21:07 AM »

no

you tell me that when you dont have much protect on your machine $:-\$

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