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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 08:36:55 PM »
ok

I was kind of mocking Broni :P

But also, I think Intel should have just kept making Memory chips. None of this processor stuff, that's not where the money is.


MS has a LOT of "tendrils" in all sorts of things.  they started with a BASIC interpreter for the Altair, I believe. MS-DOS for the IBM-PC, and countless applications for it too; including a BASIC interpreter, BASIC compilers, C compilers. In fact, even today they still have one of the best Development environments available for windows-based development. SQL server and IIS are a powerful server-based processing that rival even Apache for commercial deployments. Microsoft Office is both loved and hated for many reasons, but they made their incursion into office applications long ago.

I think the line should have been drawn when they deployed a Game Console. I mean, they are a software company; it's almost analogous to somebody like Adobe creating a game console, which come to think of it is sort of funny. (every new version will go slower and try to start every morning when you turn on the coffee maker- the Adobe Game Player, found in the vault of stuff from Macromedia offices, and what they called the "Game MX"...

Anyway, MS- again- has products for seemingly everything, and their software products are often overpowered, too.

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 08:56:46 PM »
It probably dates back to before some of the people on this forum were born but "ok" was the command prompt for the first Apples BASIC interpreter.

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 09:25:46 PM »
It probably dates back to before some of the people on this forum were born but "ok" was the command prompt for the first Apples BASIC interpreter.

Integer BASIC was written by Steve Wozniak. It was originally available on Casette and was like the IBM PC and MS-BASIC, embedded in the ROM of the original Apple II.

It used to be called just Apple BASIC but was renamed when they licensed Microsoft BASIC for the newer version of "Applesoft" BASIC; which was slower then Apple BASIC... but could use floating point numbers.

Finally the Apple BASIC Prompt was a ">" and Applesoft BASIC used a "]"... the "Ok" was emitted when you typed BASIC directly into the interpreter.. for example:

Code: [Select]
>PRINT "HELLO"
HELLO
Ok.
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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2009, 09:39:09 PM »
I remembered that "ok" was in there somewhere.

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2009, 09:41:27 PM »
I remembered that "ok" was in there somewhere.

yep, it was in all the interpreted BASICs... MS-BASIC, BASICA, GW-BASIC... Commodore BASIC too, I think.
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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2009, 11:09:28 AM »
its great if MS introduce an anti virus.

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2009, 04:54:07 PM »
Why is it so great??

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2009, 05:53:37 PM »
SuXX....
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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2009, 05:54:03 AM »

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2009, 11:21:07 AM »
Personally I think it'd be great if this was successful since it'd be nice to have only one anti-virus program out there. Since many computer issues are caused by anti-virus programs/firewalls.
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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2009, 12:38:32 PM »
I would've thought M$ would be one of the best AV makers soon enough since after all, M$ designed the windows operating system.

I might consider going to M$ AV if it's reported to be doing good by the AV-Comparatives guys!

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2009, 07:55:57 PM »
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it'd be nice to have only one anti-virus program out there
If by Micro$oft, I buy Mac next day  ;D

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2009, 10:09:03 PM »
Then where's your free Mac AV?

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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2009, 09:13:41 AM »
I would've thought M$ would be one of the best AV makers soon enough since after all, M$ designed the windows operating system.


The fact that MS developed windows has nothing to do with understanding the exact attack vectors, and exploits. The rest are simply trojans. Almost every single virus I've encountered was delivered via a infected file or download, not by magical exploitation of some obtuse feature of the IIS service or something.

The people who would be best to write an AV would be the people who write the viruses. Of course, aside from the obvious issue of trust, we'd then have to deal with background music while the AV was running and poor grammar.


And lastly- there is no "inside" knowledge of windows. The thing is- the people who make viruses, are using public documentation in almost all cases, namely the windows SDK. For example- most viruses "hook" the "CreateFile" function, so that everytime a executable is accessed it will be infected. This is not done through magical voodoo- but through API calls designed for this purpose.

One might then think, well, remove the ability to hook then!

a shallow view. Removing features simply because they can be exploited is a tad silly. The same routines are used by background virus scanners and any number of other programs.

Another example- keyloggers usually use a Windows keyboard Hook to intercept all keyboard events. many people claim that this should be removed.

These same people are obviously un-aware that this same keyboard hook is used by the menu subsystem of many programs, as well as a way of implementing a number of other features of practical value.


AND lastly, if MS suddenly becomes very successful and edging out competitors.... can anybody say "Anti-trust lawsuit"?
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Re: MS Anti-virus
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2009, 04:25:55 PM »
I tried to install MSE on my daughter's laptop and I keep getting an error that it's not for 64 bit machines. This is strange since it just came out recently. Thoughts??
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