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    Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
    « Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 06:04:23 AM »
    But in MY opinion, Its allways XP. The classic design.

    People are comfortable with the familiar. I have feelings about leaving behind what I have learned well and moving forward to face things I am not familiar with.

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    Im still looking for drivers to run XP on this stupid sata hard drive, So i have to stick with windows 7.

    You can run SATA on XP. Download them with the other computer.

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    I will go back to windows 7 maybe a year later, when more games and software become compatable - Half the stuff i have only runs on XP

    The software you have now that doesn't run on Vista/7 will be updated to a new paid upgrade version or be abandoned by their developers. Vista/7 will never become more compatible with old, incompatible software. XP mode on 7 is the most Microsoft will offer you.

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    i am not moving back to vista!

    Timeline is XP -> Vista -> 7

    I suppose you are talking about your personal timeline.

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    Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
    « Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 06:57:40 AM »
    Programs that work on XP but not on Vista or 7 are the fault of sloppy programmers, not the OS.
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      Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
      « Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 01:44:01 PM »
      Along the same line here of down grading .I could use some help .I have a  computer with windows XP media center edition installed.I did do not have a restore disk nor a restore starting point.There is nothing on the system ,files ,etc that need saved. I am trying to just clean up the hard drive as I believe there to be some corruption. I have a store purchased  "upgrade...... new install" XP home edition disk.I wanted to try to do an install over the one in the computer which will not work.I have checked for restore disks but have only found home versions  so far.
      Is there some way to get this disk I have here to work?I thought about trying to  delete the hard drive and start from scratch.What recommendations do you have?
      Please keep it simple on replies I am not the most literate on computer jargon.Thanks.

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        Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
        « Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 10:06:30 PM »
        In a nutshell, you can't "upgrade" from XP Media Center Edition to XP Home Edition. 

        Technically, Media Center Edition is considered the "upgrade" and Home Edition the "downgrade." 

        Professional - ability to join a corporate domain + Media Center components = Media Center Edition.

        So, in your case, you need to do the following:

        1) Back up your data on your hard drive (unless, for some reason, you don't mind losing it all).
        2) Put the XP Home Edition CD in the CD-ROM drive.
        3) Restart your computer.
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        4a) Depending on the make and model of your computer, press Delete or one of the "F" keys (F1, F2, F3, etc.) to get into your computer's BIOS.  Change the boot device priority to CD-ROM first.
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        4b) Depending on the make and model of your computer, press one of the "F" keys to choose the boot device without going into the BIOS.  Select the CD-ROM.
        5) Wait through the blue screen until you're asked to press Enter to install Windows XP. 
        6) POINT OF NO RETURN!  MAKE SURE YOU'VE BACKED UP YOUR DATA OR DON'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT IT! Press "D" to delete the partition on your hard drive.  Press "Enter" to confirm.  Press "L" to finally say good-bye to all your data.
        7) Press Enter to install Windows XP.
        8) Select "Format using the NTFS file system"

        The rest is pretty much self-explanatory.
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          Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
          « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2010, 08:41:24 PM »
          Still procrastinating how to proceed. ::)

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          Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
          « Reply #20 on: February 02, 2010, 06:09:41 AM »
          It's best to start your own Topic as to not confuse things...
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            Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
            « Reply #21 on: February 02, 2010, 05:48:40 PM »
            I'm no "expert" to be sure, But I do know a thing or two of business and marketing.... and MS is guilty on more than one occasion of rushing product to market for profit, rather than because it's superior, OR perfected!!! No one can write a "perfect" anything first time up.... so of course "patches" etc will be necessary... but even the worshiped "XP" had 2 "Service packs" (how many megabytes of FIXES??) to correct screw ups in code writing and "security errors".... Not trying to pick a fight or anything, actually I'm with you guys... I LIKED XP!!! But since the great MS is abandoning it with no more updates fixes etc.... using it leaves one behind in light of "new" programs etc..... it sucks but it's fact. One of my pet beefs was WHY can't MS just take XP and develop it to DEATH!!! Make it super bomb proof etc..... Why not?? Because then they can't make gazillions of dollars selling the new "latest and greatest" program!! I'd rather have seen that (one system super bombproof) approach, then develop super programs you "can't live without" for it!!! XP had potential.... but the advent of 64 bit and other advances left it lacking... THEN there are "reasons" for progress.... Vista was rushed to market... with less than stellar results!! Now, "7" is what Vista SHOULD have been!! Take away the altered desktop (the one that looks a lot like a MAC!) and flash, and you it seems have Vista "fixed"...... all Vista stuff runs on it etc.. so really what else can you call it???? I just hope it lives up to the hype this time...... even tho i liked "Vista" too.. i've had "too much fun" dealing with it to want to hang on to it...... you computer heads and geeks who like a challenge might get a kick out of fixing odd crashes and errors...and god bless you for it!! but... those of us who need it to work like clockwork day in and out DON'T!! THAT my friends is where you get the two differing views on the subject..... Thanks for letting me rant and say my piece!!! I feel better now!!
            Now if you are wondering why this guy is so hardcore on this subject....I just quit my job today, to take on a different one, online news.... and if this computer doesn't run, I don't work/eat!! So YES i'm picky!!!! LOL!! Hank out.......

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            Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
            « Reply #22 on: February 02, 2010, 07:12:32 PM »
            I know you were just venting for the most part hankster58 but I feel like doing some venting as well :)


            I'm no "expert" to be sure, But I do know a thing or two of business and marketing.... and MS is guilty on more than one occasion of rushing product to market for profit, rather than because it's superior, OR perfected!!!
            Almost every single Windows release has been delayed by nearly a year from when MS originally intended to release it. Not sure how delaying for a year constitutes "rushing" when the OS had been in development for nearly 5 years before that.

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            No one can write a "perfect" anything first time up.... so of course "patches" etc will be necessary... but even the worshiped "XP" had 2 "Service packs" (how many megabytes of FIXES??) to correct screw ups in code writing and "security errors"
            Apple, and Linux Distros are no different. Additionally most security vulnerabilities are really far less compromising then one would think. And of course we have people reporting "security vulnerabilities" that really aren't vulnerabilities, or in many cases people ask for vulnerabilities as features.

            And of course, when it comes to IE, many web designers and sites actually rely on security vulnerabilities, as stupid as that sounds.

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            But since the great MS is abandoning it with no more updates fixes etc
            What are they supposed to do? keep distributing updates until nobody anywhere is using the OS? And if that's the case, why don't they still release versions of MS-DOS?

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            .... using it leaves one behind in light of "new" programs etc..... it sucks but it's fact. One of my pet beefs was WHY can't MS just take XP and develop it to DEATH!!! Make it super bomb proof etc..... Why not??  Because then they can't make gazillions of dollars selling the new "latest and greatest" program!!

            Microsoft is a company. What your suggesting is they completely forget about the fact that they need a revenue stream to stay afloat, and simply invest all their  time in recreating Vista again simply as a patch for XP. Vista is from the SAME codebase as XP and therefore would be what they created as the "super bomb proof" XP. people asked for better security, MS gave us UAC, and of course everybody complained about that because MS can't do a *censored* thing right, can they. Nope.

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            then develop super programs you "can't live without" for it!!!

            Lost me here.

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            XP had potential.... but the advent of 64 bit and other advances left it lacking...

            Not counting Windows XP 64-bit edition. But then again, you know what, the advent of 32-bit and other advances left windows 3.1 lacking as well.

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            THEN there are "reasons" for progress.... Vista was rushed to market... with less than stellar results!! Now, "7" is what Vista SHOULD have been!!

            Actually, Windows 7 is Windows Vista with the "annoyances" that everybody complains about changed, and a few UI enhancements here and there. The funny thing is a lot of the changes are really just different default options. For example, people that complained about UAC could easily turn it off, but they inastead choose to whine and complain about how "every second move" they make with Vista brings up the prompt. The fact is if "every second move" you make with Vista brings up that prompt you might want to get out of device manager and start doing something useful.

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            Take away the altered desktop (the one that looks a lot like a MAC!)
            ahh yes, can't have a good Anti-MS rant without getting in the old "MS steals from Apple" idea. There are far too many reasons such claims are completely ludicrous. I suppose Microsoft was supposed to use a completely differnet paradigm, paybe one where you don't use an easy to use mouse device, because god forbid they use the same obvious and simple concept as apple, because that would be stealing, much in the same way as WALKING like everybody else is stealking their moves, but no, instead they should have gone with a "press your nose against this cold piece of steal to move the mouse" the nose UI. and they couldn't possibly use small windows on the screen, small viewports for information, because god forbid they once again take a standard, well established metaphor (if you think Apple was the first to think of the whole "windowed UI" concept then I'm afraid you'll have to look at Xerox instead). No, instead they should have had small circular information spheres appear out of a large, not desktop, because remember, Apple already used that metaphor! and although super obvious and easily implemented metaphors that any braindead doofus can think up aren't exactly intellectual property they cannot possibly use that! instead they will appear out of a large nose image. each nosehair will represent a single Application.

            yeah, I'm sure THAT version of Microsoft Noses would be a lot better recieved then Windows was. Oh hey, you know what, I cannot BELIEVE that Microsoft had the Gall to copy the Commandline interface! I mean, really, it's once again the simplest and easiest way to implement it and in no way are most of the features or various subroutines present even barely similar to those present in CPM or UNIX but god *censored* why can't they stop stealing ideas!




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            and you it seems have Vista "fixed"...... all Vista stuff runs on it etc..

            You can run the NT4 shell Explorer.exe in Windows NT 3.51, but that doesn't make it Windows NT 4.

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            you computer heads and geeks who like a challenge might get a kick out of fixing odd crashes and errors

            Not really. I think in the entire time I've used Vista and 7 I've had a single bluescreen. after thee months consecutive uptime, no less. That compared to the fact that whenever I wanted to play a MIDI on my XP system I had to make bloody sure it wasn't using the hardware synth or else the first percussion sound would greet me with a Blue screen.

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            those of us who need it to work like clockwork day in and out DON'T!! THAT my friends is where you get the two differing views on the subject.....
            Your assuming that just because we help people diagnose issues with their PCs we actually enjoy the experience when it comes to our own? That's utter nonsense. I don't think I've ever gotten a Blue screen, and jumped out of my chair with the impending 5 hour trek I would take diagnosing what went wrong and how to fix it, So I'll have to call you out on that one.

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            Thanks for letting me rant and say my piece!!! I feel better now!!

            I must offer the same thanks, lol.
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            Now if you are wondering why this guy is so hardcore on this subject....I just quit my job today, to take on a different one, online news.... and if this computer doesn't run, I don't work/eat!! So YES i'm picky!!!! LOL!! Hank out.......

            you better make sure it works then ;)
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              Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
              « Reply #23 on: February 02, 2010, 09:50:33 PM »
              *censored* you're worse than ME!! LOL!!  You WORK for them or something?? LOL!! I'm not anti MS.... just would like to see them slow down, get it right, give us good stuff...don't think that's too much to ask for. AS to my comment "programs we can't live without" whats not to get??? Write a new "Word" or whatever, so cool, so easy, so chock full of USEFUL stuff without the fluff. .. and we'd buy it!! Upgrade for upgrades sake is crap... upgrade because it's SUPERIOR..... now THATS another story!!

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              Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
              « Reply #24 on: February 02, 2010, 11:08:28 PM »
              just would like to see them slow down, get it right, give us good stuff...don't think that's too much to ask for.
              Well, the problem is everybody's definition of "right" is different in this case. People say Vista, Windows, etc, is plagued with bugs, and yet they can hardly name a single one.



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              AS to my comment "programs we can't live without" whats not to get??? Write a new "Word" or whatever, so cool, so easy, so chock full of USEFUL stuff without the fluff. .. and we'd buy it!!
              I'm still not quite sure what you mean... Programs we cannot live without? do you mean, like, they should write more "killer apps"? like how back in the day Excel was a killer app and completely obliterated Lotus 1-2-3; or how word smashed Wordperfect? Basically, Office has been pretty well unchanged for quite some time; for the main reason that they really can't add anything that the average person will even come close to needing. (In fact, I'd go so far as to say this has been the case, at least for word, since version 6. And as a matter of fact; if you think about it, when you think about word processing on a windows PC Microsoft Word is one of the first programs you consider; Of course, nearly any text editing that the average person will do can easily be done in Wordpad, so really Word isn't all that necessary.

              Now Excel, this can be a different story; it's a spreadsheet, but most people use it for keeping track of lists of data; some for budgets, etc. There are of course free alternatives to this, but still, companies by Excel for their employees; because it's "the standard" so to speak.

              Access, well, that's another can of worms right there; Access is really just a "front-end" to the freely available JET database engine; really they would have to release a new version with every release of the Engine, as well; if nothing else but to take advantage of the new features they added.

              Powerpoint... well, personally I've always hated powerpoint. From what I can tell it's pretty well unchanged.

              When it comes to office I would have to agree; they really have sort of started releasing incremental upgrades that don't provide anything of value. Of course they don't, by any means, force users to upgrade; several of my PCs, for example, still have Word 6.0 installed, and I'm able to transfer documents between it and my newer Word Versions. Same goes for excel. Really, it's a matter of preference.
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              Upgrade for upgrades sake is crap... upgrade because it's SUPERIOR..... now THATS another story!!

              I see what you mean. Essentially, this sort of thinking was present with the release of windows 3.1; "why upgrade to 3.1? I'm perfectly happy with 3.0!" Now, obviously, a case could be made that it, as well as many other perceived "OS updates" such as Windows 98 and 98SE, should have been provided free to previous windows owners. But the problem with that is, then MS is doing it for no reason. Sure; they will have a pleased customer base; but, consider that there is no reason really to keep your customers happy if you aren't going to be able to sell another product to them. If a user needs to be given something free in order to be happy with it then your marketing strategy is already flawed.

              Many people say that MS is only focussed on changing the UI; of things you can see. People constantly ask for MS to rewrite the core routines to be "more robust" Without realizing that that is kind of why they have an entire team of programmers devoted to the kernel. The thing is that MS has a very good reason to focus on the UI.
              Let's Consider, for a moment, something people used to complain about incessantly; how none of the built-in applets have changed since windows 3.1 (with windows 7 this is different since they've all been completely revamped; Wordpad is more like a Word 2007 lite). What these people don't realize is that with the release of windows 2000, The Windows Calculator Applet's arithmetic engine was completely thrown away and rewritten from scratch. This was done after people kept writing ha-ha articles about how Calc couldn't do decimal arithmetic correctly, that for example computing 10.21 - 10.2 resulted in 0.0100000000000016.
              Today, Calc's internal computations are done with infinite precision for basic operations (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division) and 32 digits of precision for advanced operations (square root, transcendental operators).

              Try it: 1 / 3 * 10000000000 - 3333333333 =. The result is one third exactly. Type 1/x - 3 = and you get zero back. (Of course, if you don't believe that, then repeat the sequence "* 10000000000 - 3333333333 =" until you're bored and notice that the answer always comes back as 0.33333333333333333333333333333333. If it were fixed-precision, then the 3's would eventually stop coming.)

              Thirty-two positions of precision for inexact results not good enough? The Power Calculator PowerToy uses the same arithmetic engine as Calc and lets you crank the precision to an unimaginable 512 digits.

              Anyway, my point is that - whether you like it or not - if you don't change the UI, nobody notices. That's why so much effort is spent on new UI.

              Would you really buy a version of windows XP that looked exactly the same as always but that MS purported to have "completely rewritten from scratch"? Even though it did the exact same thing as the previous version? Would you buy it if it cost the same amount as Vista? Some people would, obviously, it's certainly good for those XP devotees. But; what if it could only run special "made for Special XP" programs, and was unable to run any older Programs? such is the catch-22; in order to <really> "optimize windows XP to death" they would need to strip out the entire application compatibility library and all the apphacks, (this should speed things up a lot!) remove the NTVDM while their at it, since that's just backward compatibility.

              "But!" every says... "Vista is essentially that "special XP" you speak of! my <insert old windows 95 game here> no longer works!

              ahh, but you see, in many cases that "windows 95" game only worked on windows 95 because MS literally devoted a team of programmers to figuring out why it <didn't> work. One such program was Doom; of course it wasn't actually a windows application, but Running DOOM under windows 95 was on their "priority" list. here's the thing though; ID software probably didn't care wether Doom ran on Windows 95. And really, I don't blame them. People have already paid them for the game; they'd released several patches, they figured the customer got way more then they paid for. Doom95 was essentially a port done by MS to work on windows 95. Now, Microsoft obviously wasn't concerned that the customers who bought doom were being treated unfairly by ID software; but rather that they can increase their chances of those people buying windows 95 if they can get Doom running on it; so one might proclaim it was purely in "self-interest". But, really; what self-respecting company is going to go to all that effort out of the goodness of their heart? Even Open Source programmers heartily avoid the big issues and go make yet another reversi clone for yet another desktop environment that emulates both windows and mac and yet manages to get the worst of both. (xfce being a notable exception).

              I perform mot of my programming in Visual Basic 6.0; this was released by MS in 1998; over 10 years ago. Sure, I have visual studio 2008, but Microsoft completely broke with tradition and rewrote the entire language for .NET, so I cannot even open my VB6 projects in it.

              Visual Basic 6, as far as Microsoft is concerned, is no longer supported.

              The programs it creates are essentially designed for windows 98.To get things like XP and Vista themes, Aero glass, etc, just takes a bit of work and some reading of the documentation on the new OS features.

              I imagine this sort of thing holds true with their other software packages as well, but probably to a far lesser degree; unlike the VB6 to .NET switch, you can still, for example, open your Excel 2000 files with excel 2008; and, I doubt any of the features of excel 2008 really warrant a switch anyway.

              Basically, what I mean is, don't blame the vendor when people decide to upgrade for upgrades sake.

              And- Service packs are a completely different concept altogether. you propose that they not release the OS at all and some how have these "hotfixes" implemented in the release version; well, unfortunately, that simply isn't the way it works. Microsoft Windows is not exactly a trivial source code management project and with any project of any non-trivial size there are going to be bugs. The only way those bugs can ever be found is by deploying the application. if, in practice, issues are encountered they are patched. And these patches are released nearly instantaneously through windows update. the interesting thing is, only about 10% of all windows update "security vulnerabilities" affect the average user; many of them are fairly specific and deal with server configurations or IIS. That, and they are offered free anyway, so you can't really complain. NT 3.51 had 6 different service packs before NT4 was released, IIRC; so obviously they have managed to reduce the number of SP's they release, if nothing else.
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                Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
                « Reply #25 on: February 02, 2010, 11:45:03 PM »
                You are obviously sharp as a tack!! So i'm going to bounce this one off of you, no one as of yet has been able to give me a clear cut answer....
                I installed the Windows 7 32 bit update on my computer tonight, so far... it's living up to the reports.... no screw ups, MUCH faster (on my computer anyway) etc... cool!! Now for the "problem".....During the install process, the program said since 7 does NOT have an e-mail program anymore.....it would save all my addresses, E-mails etc to be installed on the e-mail program of my choice. Good so far. I set up Thunderbird.... works fine... BUT, HOW do I get the e-mails from the "unknown" location onto Thunderbird???? Tbird doesn't see them when running "import".... so what is the process to find them, and pull them over??? DEidn't think this would be such a bear since the install seemed to be taking it into account etc..... any ideas??

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                Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
                « Reply #26 on: February 03, 2010, 12:03:40 AM »
                hmm, that's a good question!

                If you installed over a copy of Vista (sounds like it) the installer probably made a folder called "windows.0"... you might be able to find the  emails there somewhere.

                this has piqued my curiosity, So I'm installing Vista in an VM explicitly so I can upgrade and see where the setup program backs up the e-mail data too  ;D
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                Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
                « Reply #27 on: February 03, 2010, 12:38:35 AM »
                Alright I had a looksee.

                I'm not 100% on this, but I think when you upgrade to windows 7, it automatically creates a Easy Transfer File; I'm not sure where it saves it... My laptop was upgraded from windows Vista and it has a folder called C:\$WINDOWS.~Q that seems to have backed up stuff from the older vista install.

                I couldn't find any "MIG" files, which the easy transfer program would use.... but then again, I don't think it backed up any e-mail info since I hadn't used windows mail. Try doing a search on your disk for "*.mig" files, and if you find one, feed it to the windows easy Transfer program.
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                  Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
                  « Reply #28 on: February 03, 2010, 09:28:45 AM »
                  I found "wabmig" the address book file, but the date on it is from when I did a re-install of Vista after the IE 8 problems I had a few months back.... NOTHING showing yesterdays date I've found so far.... another of MS little "gotcha's"!!! Promised one thing...got another! (So far) I went to their website for help, and other than saying what I have, "the install will save your info for use on a new email program".... NOTHING!! No helkp on how to GET the info back whatsoever!! Oh, they do suggest you download THEIR e-mail deal....I did, but at 132 MEGABYTES i decided to try something a bit less BLOATED.... Thunderbird is just 3 or 4 megs.... Now what??? Anyone??

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                  Re: down grade windows 7 towindows XP
                  « Reply #29 on: February 03, 2010, 09:43:19 AM »
                  Oh, they do suggest you download THEIR e-mail deal....I did, but at 132 MEGABYTES i decided to try something a bit less BLOATED....
                  Umm, what is "THEIR e-mail deal"?   ???

                  I suggest you download Windows Live Mail and try importing your Windows Mail messages into it.  For a guide on this, see: Windows 7 - Windows Live Mail - Import Windows Mail Messages