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    Choosing a VPN or PIA
    « on: June 04, 2016, 04:14:06 PM »
    Not sure if this is where this belongs if not please move to apropiate topic area.

    I need help choosing a VPN or PIA.
    There are so many of them out there they boggle my mind and Im having a difficult time trying to choose one.
    I have looked at safer web which is how I became aware of using a VPN.
    I looked at Cnets reviews and and whole bunch of other ones.
    Im looking for better internet safety,security and a VPN or PIA that offers a good monthly price and speed for multiple devices.
    Thank you Aaron

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    Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 04:46:04 PM »
    You really don't need to use a VPN to obtain "better security" - By using a VPN you route all your internet traffic through a third party's machines, this is potentially worse from a security perspective as they can technically sniff all of your traffic.  Of course the companies trying to sell these services push them as some sort of magical security thing that everyone needs but in actual fact the only real reason people need to use services like that is to hide malicious activity or to get around restrictions. It's also important to note that routing traffic through a VPN will lower performance quite considerably.  The only genuine use I can see for services like that is when browsing on an unsecured WiFi network like in a coffee shop/airport, it's not the sort of thing you need on a trusted home or work connection.

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      Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
      « Reply #2 on: June 11, 2016, 01:22:35 PM »
      This is the problem I dont believe my wired network is secure,I was checking internet connections on my router and found a phone connected to my internet.

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      Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
      « Reply #3 on: June 11, 2016, 04:01:31 PM »
      Then secure it. Using a VPN because you found somebody else using your wireless network is like getting a new phone number because you found somebody living in your closet.
      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
      « Reply #4 on: June 11, 2016, 06:05:19 PM »
      I presume you mean wireless.  If so, make sure it is secured using decent WPA2 encryption with a strong key.  Using a VPN is not the solution.

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        Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
        « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 02:45:52 PM »
        No I was not wireless somebody was on my wired network.Right now Im using Operas browser with the built in VPN till I can find another.

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        Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
        « Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 03:11:05 PM »
        How can someone be on your wired network?  This means someone has somehow physically plugged a cable into your router.

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          Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
          « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2016, 08:42:54 AM »
          Or they rerouted the line some where.I use a prgram called Angry IP scanner and have found other devices connected to my wired network.

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          Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
          « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2016, 01:22:59 PM »
          If they did that you would see the cable, they would have to somehow break into your house and route a cable from your router.  I've never heard of anyone doing this, it just isnt practical.

          Just because you see IPs that aren't your computer doesn't mean there's an issue.  That scanner will show PCs, phones, tablets, set top boxes, smart TVs and even more things that you probably forget are connected to your network in some way. I mean, nowadays you can get network connected lightbulbs!

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          Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
          « Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 02:43:43 PM »
          When any device is shared on your local network, it can have an IP that looks like the the same kind of IP number used on the Ethernet. Manny routers do not di ayg nothing to make it clean that a device is wireless. A tablet or smartphone may continue to beacon itself to the router even when you think it is off.

          Do a little bet of detective work and find out whee the device is located. You may find it is a tabled in your teenager's room that is in the idle state.  :)


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            Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
            « Reply #10 on: July 08, 2016, 09:37:23 AM »
            Nobody around me is wireless my neighbor is comcast and have no teen agers.I went into windows network settings and found a phone connected into my network.I booted it off and has`nt been back since.I have 3 devices and sometimes my program will show 4 or 5 devices connected to my wired network..Theres no wireless hot spots near me and my routers wireless mode is shut off.So someone is hacking into my network I *censored* ume

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            Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
            « Reply #11 on: July 08, 2016, 10:35:04 AM »
            Nobody around me is wireless my neighbor is comcast and have no teen agers.I went into windows network settings and found a phone connected into my network.I booted it off and has`nt been back since.I have 3 devices and sometimes my program will show 4 or 5 devices connected to my wired network..Theres no wireless hot spots near me and my routers wireless mode is shut off.So someone is hacking into my network I *censored* ume
            Windows network settings showed a phone on your network and you kicked it off?  That makes no sense, it was probably just a network connection created within Windows by some piece of software or created by someone connecting their phone to the PC over USB.  Windows does not list devices connected to the network and let you kick them off.  If your WiFi is shut off, unless someone is secretly running cables to your router which, let's face it, isn't happening, nobody is hacking your network and you have nothing to worry about.

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              Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
              « Reply #12 on: July 09, 2016, 09:30:24 AM »
              Im telling you someone or other devices are and or have been connected to my wired network.
              with Angry IP scanner I can block the IP of the the unkown connection

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              Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
              « Reply #13 on: July 09, 2016, 11:58:54 AM »
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              with Angry IP scanner I can block the IP of the the unkown connection
              No it cannot. It has no such feature.
              I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                « Reply #14 on: July 09, 2016, 06:47:02 PM »
                Ok We can argue about someone being on my net work and what a program can and can not do can we please get back to the topic ::)I want a vpn so which one would be a good one to get?

                thank you

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                Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                « Reply #15 on: July 09, 2016, 07:04:15 PM »
                In any case I wouldn't recommend or use any "VPN service", you are routing your traffic through some random person/company's network with no idea how secure it is.  This both slows your connection down and arguably makes it less secure.

                Just my opinion.

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                  Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                  « Reply #16 on: July 09, 2016, 09:51:30 PM »
                  Alot of them give you full details of the programs and free trials.Going online in my opinion is a bad choice.

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                  « Reply #17 on: July 10, 2016, 02:15:41 AM »
                  Someone please pass the popcorn...

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                    Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                    « Reply #18 on: July 11, 2016, 11:02:09 AM »
                    Would like that with butter and a Coke? ::)
                    From what Ive read many people use VPN`s or PIA`s  you get added features like being unable to unlock web sites,security online and others.

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                    Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                    « Reply #19 on: July 11, 2016, 11:12:41 AM »
                    As far as unlocking websites go, then yes, a VPN can get around country restrictions, although this is legally a grey area.  As far as the "improved security", a lot of this is claimed in marketing materials to encourage people to buy the services.

                    To be clear, a VPN will encrypt the traffic and send it from your PC to the VPN provider where it is decrypted and forwarded on to the internet.  The key thing here is that the VPN provider gets the unencrypted version of the traffic so you are putting a lot of trust in them - This is why I would never use a "VPN service" myself (I run my own VPN server on server I control) although others are more than welcome to.

                    Apart from trying to hide your identity from external websites, the only legitimate use I can think of for such a VPN is if you are browsing on an untrusted public network such as free WiFi available in public places.

                    At any rate, these services are only designed for short term use such as when on a public WiFi network, they are not designed for or required for use all the time on your home connection.  When you are connected to the VPN, all of your traffic is sent to the single VPN server rather than being sent out through several extremely high capacity links from your ISP directly to the destination. As a result, your connection through the VPN will likely be slower and have higher latency than if you are connecting out to the internet directly.

                    In your situation, all you will get from using a VPN service is a slower connection, less money in your bank account and an illusion of "privacy".

                    If someone is truly on your network maliciously (which I'm convinced isn't the case) then you have much bigger things to be worrying about than encrypting your outgoing internet traffic.
                    « Last Edit: July 11, 2016, 11:24:28 AM by camerongray »

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                      Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                      « Reply #20 on: July 13, 2016, 08:23:39 AM »
                      "(I run my own VPN server on server I control) "

                      So you have a sever machine and how are you running YPN on your own server?

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                        Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                        « Reply #21 on: August 01, 2016, 12:08:39 PM »
                        I use WItopia which I have found to be reliable and excellent quality.
                        [https://www.witopia.net]

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                        Re: Choosing a VPN or PIA
                        « Reply #22 on: August 01, 2016, 10:12:37 PM »
                        Here is a download for Angry IP scanner
                        https://sourceforge.net/projects/ipscan/
                        Many people like it, but it is a weak program.
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